Time Nick Message 00:00 Fixer Shara: depends, numberZero is active, so he can extra check on it 00:01 paramat a fix is possible, and the issue may highlight a mistake somewhere 00:01 Shara Hmm, hope so, but if it's simply unavoidable side effect of smoothlighting... 00:02 paramat although of course MT doesn't actually support semi-translucency for normal nodes, so, it *might* be unavoidable 00:03 Shara It's just a bit infuriating, given that glass is the base several of my mods build from 00:03 Shara And it's also in use across quite a few servers 00:04 Fixer Shara: you can make it darker by removing glow 00:04 Shara But the glow is desired 00:04 Fixer glow is weird 00:04 Shara People use this as a gentle light source 00:04 Fixer you want dark yet glowing glass %) 00:04 Fixer thats like wanting drinkable petrol 00:05 Fixer or black white 00:05 Shara I want red that doesn't look pink, and dark glass that doesn't look like pale grey 00:05 Fixer anyway goodnight 00:05 Shara Sleep well 00:06 Shara paramat: any ideas about the water? The only thing that seems to be different in my override is the texture used 00:34 paramat erm, maybe open the texture in an image editor to see the image format etc? 00:35 paramat RGBA vs indexed colour 00:35 Shara Comparing to normal water texture currently... both show as indexed 00:35 Shara I cannot see a difference 00:36 Shara no difference with the texture from sumpf either 00:37 paramat how about combining default water texture with glowing plants to see if it is the light source that triggers it? 00:38 Shara I tried that 00:38 Shara That was how I ruled out it being the sea mod itself 00:38 Shara There is only the air when there should not be air issue there, which is something seperate 00:41 Shara For sea... noairblocks somehow reacts oddly to the water texture I use. It didn't before, but does now... I think since noairblocks is broken anyway, I will see if I can just strip it from the sea mod 00:42 Shara I actually think I know why it is happening, but not awake enough to test 00:43 paramat ok :] 00:43 Shara watersourcex from noairblocks will still be using default water texture, not my texture 00:43 Shara and I guess that is doing something 00:44 Shara Even though the combo was fine before, the difference textures must create the added issue now the mod is broken 00:44 Shara difference in* 06:44 lisac Hi Shara 06:44 lisac The gold mining form from the other day 06:44 lisac https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1G8SX1pVHYvoOA8T2d57Qi1sZYSEUZo7VCujYx1QO9J8 06:44 lisac it's finished 06:45 lisac none seems to like filling forms 07:04 tenplus1 hi folks 07:11 lisac Hey tenplus1 07:11 tenplus1 hi lisac p/ 07:12 tenplus1 I made the mistake of reading the news... *shudder* never again :P 07:19 lisac tenplus1, how so? 07:20 tenplus1 all the bbc nonsense with the rich list and complaints over certain men getting paid more than the women 07:20 tenplus1 as far as I know you pay is determined by your popularity on screen, nothing more... 07:21 tenplus1 and of course the annual fox hunt... I dont like that 07:23 tenplus1 hi nrz, hi calcul0n 07:23 nerzhul hi tenplus1 07:23 nerzhul hi hi 07:24 tenplus1 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/20/00/4280256E00000578-4712508-image-a-53_1500508507937.jpg that's an example 07:47 tenplus1 hi raven 07:47 Raven262 Hi tenplus1 07:48 lisac tenplus1, start reading reddit them 07:48 lisac *then 07:48 tenplus1 heh 07:48 tenplus1 I try to avoid reddit, soooo many horrors 07:49 Raven262 /r/trebuchetmemes 07:49 Raven262 /r/dankmemes 07:49 lisac horrors on reddit? 07:50 tenplus1 funnyjunk has many of those already :P 07:50 Raven262 /r/birdswitharms 07:54 Shara Hi all 07:54 Shara lisac: thanks for sharing results 07:54 lisac np lol, it's only 20 of them 07:54 Shara And now bye all... work time :( 07:54 lisac couldn't get more people to do it 07:54 lisac bye comrade 07:54 tenplus1 laters shara 07:58 Raven262 Hello Shara 07:58 Raven262 And bye i guess 08:26 tenplus1 hi cx384 08:26 cx384 hi tenplus1 08:41 tenplus1 laters folks... imma leave this here: https://github.com/tenplus1/tnt 08:41 tenplus1 o/ 10:53 Bobr2 hi 13:42 Wayward_One hi all 13:43 lisac hey Wayward_One 13:52 Wayward_One ugh, minetest is still crashing with this https://pastebin.com/1VPXtJJi and i can't figure out why 14:32 shivajiva that's a good error Wayward_One, what the history ? 14:34 shivajiva what version, when did the crashing start, etc 14:35 Wayward_One latest git, after updating gcc and jsoncpp so i could compile again. 14:37 Wayward_One i'm probably missing something, as i can't reproduce it on another machine. i've tried deleting and recloning twice now, with the same error. 14:38 Fixer holy crap 14:38 Wayward_One everything works fine, singleplayer, etc. until i click the "Play Online" tab 14:38 Fixer needed a way to run a one program with admin privs under local user... I've literally spent hours to do this shit in w7 14:38 shivajiva okay I know this one 14:39 Wayward_One older OS btw, Mint 17.3 14:39 shivajiva have you compiled pre and post cpp 11 on that folder? 14:40 Wayward_One yes, but i completely deleted the folder and recloned 14:40 shivajiva I get that when the compiler system_json flag is when it shouldn't be 14:41 shivajiva *set 14:41 Wayward_One i do have -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=TRUE 14:41 Wayward_One it wouldn't compile at all without it though 14:42 Wayward_One *wouldn't finish, i should say 14:43 shivajiva I was compiling diff versions trying to narrow a bug to a commit when I got this error around the bump to cpp 11 14:44 shivajiva it appeared when I was mistakenly setting the flag to true but using older commit 14:45 Wayward_One hmm 14:46 shivajiva but you are trying to compile and run latest? 14:46 Wayward_One yep 14:48 shivajiva hmm, let me grab it and compile 14:49 Wayward_One it may be something c++11-on-an-older-OS related, as stable-0.4 works fine, and latest git compiles fine on Mint 18.x 14:49 shivajiva yea I'm using mint 17.3 14:49 Wayward_One oh, okay 14:50 shivajiva but upped gcc to 5 14:51 Wayward_One 6.3.0 here 14:51 shivajiva currently building with flag set to system json set to false (actually 0) 14:51 shivajiva heh that nearly made sense 14:51 Wayward_One lol 14:52 Calinou hi 14:52 shivajiva works just fine, doesn't crash on play online tab 14:53 Wayward_One hmm 14:53 Wayward_One hi Calinou 14:53 shivajiva wonder what your setup is missing to need the flag to be true 14:54 Wayward_One it gave this before i set that flag https://hastebin.com/fubosapuwe.vbs 14:54 shivajiva 2 weeks ago I needed it but not now 14:56 shivajiva what version of gcc is it set to? 14:57 shivajiva mine was on auto(4.8) I had to select the later version 14:57 Wayward_One how do i check? 14:57 * shivajiva scrolls thru his bash command history 14:58 shivajiva sudo update-alternatives --config gcc 15:01 shivajiva heh must have got 6 because that's what it's set to 15:04 shivajiva Hi paramat o/ 15:04 Wayward_One oh yeah, i already set that 15:05 shivajiva then I don't know what else to suggest :/ 15:07 Wayward_One hmm :/ thanks for your time though 15:08 shivajiva np, tried so many things before I got compiler to actually complete I must have done something crucial without realising 15:15 Wayward_One lol, that happens to me too. then when you need to reproduce it it's like "wait, what *did* i do..?" 15:18 nerzhul GCC 5.1 at least is required on 0.5 branch 15:18 nerzhul or clang 3.4 15:18 nerzhul 3.6* 15:19 Wayward_One yeah, i have 6.3.0 15:29 Wayward_One heh, new reclone/rebuild without -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=TRUE, compilation now fails with https://pastebin.com/bxJGsiBL 15:34 sfan5 did you do make clean? 15:35 Wayward_One no, i'll try that 15:36 Wayward_One is there a minimum cmake version required too? 15:37 nerzhul it's checked at the beginning 15:37 Wayward_One ah, okay 15:37 nerzhul is your stdlibc++ up to date ? 15:37 nerzhul seems it doesn't know streambuf C++11 api 15:38 sfan5 nah that's unlikely 15:38 sfan5 these errors usually appear when you forgot to make clean after a libstdc++ update 15:42 Wayward_One hmm. make clean, then make -j5? running that gives the same result 16:00 Fixer https://twitter.com/binitamshah/status/887892014745899008 Do this in Minetest 16:15 shivajiva ^ nice 17:01 lisac Fixer, how does that even happen? 17:01 lisac I did read the article 17:01 lisac the only thing I got from it is that Steam games had a bug 17:01 lisac source games 17:12 lisac hey I'm trying to compile minetest on windows 17:12 lisac It fails to link 17:12 lisac some json errors 17:12 lisac undefined references 17:12 lisac I'm now recompiling with another cppjson library 17:19 Shara Hi all 17:19 lisac Hey Shara 17:19 Shara lisac: You poor brave thing. I won't even try on Windows anymore 17:19 Amaz Good evening, Shara :) 17:20 lisac Shara, I wouldn't try if I had a choice :P 17:20 Shara Hello Amaz :) 17:20 lisac I mean, I could always install linux. I'm planning to 17:20 lisac but the challenge of getting minetest to run properly on Windows... 17:20 Shara I have Linux on my laptop and move to that if I want to poke MT code 17:20 lisac not to mention I can play at 250 view range 30 FPS on Windows 17:21 lisac Linux AMD drivers are terrible 17:21 Shara Putting "drivers" and "Linux" in one sentence gives me bad memories 17:22 sofar writing code and compiling/testing on windows is just painful 17:22 lisac minetest also runs terribly on Windows 17:22 lisac unable to run in fullscreen 17:22 lisac as in, window no border 17:23 sofar that works fine for me 17:23 Shara sofar: Yup.. first few times I compiled myself was on windows... just never going back to it 17:24 Shara Just need to teach myself to compile windows client from linux sometime... 17:24 Shara So I can also easily play on my own clients again. 17:24 sofar next time I need to make something cross platform I'll do it in go again, just like mtmediasrv 17:24 lisac heh 17:25 lisac I do have a linux pc here 17:25 lisac I just need to persuade my brother to give it up for a few minutes 17:25 lisac and seeing that he is playing DOTA2 on it right now, that ain't going to be easy 17:25 Shara Main one here has to be windows for work and study 17:28 tenplus1 hif olks 17:28 Amaz Hi ten# 17:28 tenplus1 er... hi folks :P 17:28 tenplus1 o/ amaz 17:28 Amaz :P 17:28 lisac Hi tenplus1 17:28 lisac I added -m32 to compiler options 17:28 lisac and rebuilding right now 17:28 lisac heh prob won't help 17:28 tenplus1 hi lisac 17:29 lisac Hey tenplus1, got any experience compiling MT on Windows? 17:29 tenplus1 *shudder* sadly no 17:29 Shara Hi 11 17:30 tenplus1 hi Shara 17:30 lisac and so I installed windows to play Fallout. And I'm now spending days playing DOTA2, TF2, Minetest and Geometry Dash. 17:30 lisac :( 17:30 sofar hehe 17:30 sofar and KSP 17:30 tenplus1 geo dash is kewl ;D 17:30 sofar don't forget Jebediah 17:30 tenplus1 hi sofar 17:30 lisac oh, my geometry dash progress got wiped today 17:30 lisac I filed a bug report 17:31 tenplus1 I wonder if geo dash has a linux binary 17:31 lisac tenplus1, Nope 17:31 tenplus1 nuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuu 17:31 * tenplus1 wishes more games had linux support 17:32 lisac I've only got two games on steam. Geometry Dash and KotoR 17:32 lisac GD developer said he is working on Linux support 17:32 * Shara has too many games there 17:32 lisac in 2014 17:32 tenplus1 not seen KotoR.... at last count I had 164 games 17:33 lisac my god people 17:33 lisac have you even started up every single one of them? 17:33 tenplus1 yeah... I buy the humble bundles if they look good and the count goes up :) not bad for 10 quid 17:33 lisac Error: 64-bit reloc in dll 17:33 lisac tons of those 17:34 lisac seems I got screwed 17:34 tenplus1 Psychonauts was amazing, Machinarium was amazing, Samorost 1 + 2 was amazing and the list goes on 17:35 tenplus1 and surprisingly Neon Drive runs better on linux than windows :D 17:36 lisac heh Minetest does too 17:38 tenplus1 cant wait for Vulkan support on most games 17:38 Shara I think I had close to 90 games there... most were silly cheap things :P 17:42 tenplus1 whats your best game shara ? 17:42 Shara Best in what sense? 17:42 tenplus1 one you enjoyed playing :P 17:42 Shara Hard to say really 17:43 Shara Only one I played recently there was Hollow Knight 17:44 Shara Fancied something 2d again, so bought it in the sales :P 17:45 tenplus1 ooh, that looks interesting 17:47 Shara Music is nice and controls work well. 17:48 tenplus1 was playing this one lately, looked real good: http://store.steampowered.com/app/205730/Insanely_Twisted_Shadow_Planet/ 17:49 Shara Ohh, did look at it. 17:49 * Shara suddenly wonders what non-MT games everyone plays 17:50 Raven262 Try deadspace2 its a nice game 17:50 tenplus1 :P hi raven 17:50 Raven262 Hello tenplus1 17:50 Raven262 Also, you can try DOTA2 if you want to see the worst side of humanity. 17:51 Shara I'll pass. 17:51 tenplus1 lol 17:51 Shara :P 17:51 Shara I don't even have enough time to play the games I already have 17:51 tenplus1 you ever tried Psychonauts ? 17:51 tenplus1 or even Samorost 2 ? 17:51 tenplus1 hi behalebabo 17:52 Shara No, though again, did look at it 17:52 tenplus1 is a damn good puzzle game 17:52 Amaz Non-MT games? Ummmm, MT is the only game I ever play :P 17:52 Amaz And even then, nowadays I spend more time modding than I do playing ;) 17:53 tenplus1 same... 17:53 tenplus1 but I was on Xanadu earlier for an hour :) was fun exploring 17:53 Raven262 Amaz is the smart guy, you should try LOTT. 17:53 Shara Amaz: Know that feeling. :P 17:54 Amaz :P 17:54 Shara I made this long list of mods I want to make/rewrite/adjust/stare at blankly until the code makes sense 17:54 Wayward_One most non-MT games i play: Halo (most of them), Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy and Jedi Outcast (OpenJK versions of both), and a few others on my brother's Xbox 17:55 tenplus1 was staring blankly at TNT mod for a while and keep thinking it needs a rewrite :) ehe 17:56 nerzhul i run 300 range with 50 FPS with Amd drivers on linux 17:56 Shara I've half-rewritten a lot of mods, just they are so messy that I don't put them on github :) 17:56 tenplus1 hi nrz, also nice range 17:57 Shara I vary range between 100 and 300 depending on server I'm on and what I'm doing 17:57 Shara And fps is anything from 30 to 100 :P 17:57 Raven262 Wayward_One, Which one is your favourite Halo? :D 17:58 tenplus1 that's one game I've never played... Halo 17:58 tenplus1 but seen the movie :D ahh 17:58 Raven262 The greater the number the worse the game 17:58 Raven262 Halo 1 was the best 17:58 Raven262 :P 17:59 tenplus1 heh 18:02 Wayward_One hmm, i'd have to say either 1 or 3. i have so many fond memories of 3, and i just love 1 overall 18:03 tenplus1 o/ wayward... 18:03 Wayward_One hi ten :) 18:03 Wayward_One and everyone else :) 18:03 Raven262 I would like 2 also, but the fov killed it for me. 18:04 Wayward_One i still have yet to try 2 18:04 Raven262 It feels like you have one eye in halo2, fov is about 60 or so 18:07 tenplus1 I really wanna try the new mario...looks fun 18:13 tenplus1 Shara: found you a wallpaper: https://s18.postimg.org/om195twhl/screenshot_20160321_1818162.png 18:20 Shara Hehehehehehe!! 18:20 Shara I still want to make a version of breadhogs that shoot laser beams :D 18:20 Krock now add "howtobasic" and your smile will turn into a sad face 18:21 Krock Shara, but there's AFAIK no hedgehog in Guardians Of The Galaxy.. where do you get this strange idea from? o.o 18:22 tenplus1 goo too close and get laser vision heating your rear end :D 18:24 Shara But Krock! There is a "hedgehog rule"! 18:27 Krock oh? 18:28 tenplus1 save the hedgehogs... 18:29 Krock "the_hedgehogs.txt" *Ctrl+S* 18:33 Shara >.> 18:33 Shara It was a warning against killing them 18:33 Shara Because then server owner might be sad 18:33 Shara And sad server owner feels like hedgehogs should shoot laser beams 18:34 Shara And possible have a very large number of hit points 18:36 tenplus1 ehehehe 18:38 rubenwardy How does one acquire a hedgehog? 18:38 * tenplus1 gives ruben a hedgehog spawn egg 18:38 sofar just leave some metal rings lying about 18:38 tenplus1 haha 18:44 lisac sofar, What if you accidentally acquire a gollum? 18:47 tenplus1 hi bigfoot 18:47 bigfoot547 Hi tenplus1 18:49 tenplus1 am surprised no-one has made a gollum model yet for mobs :P 18:49 * Amaz looks eager 18:56 tenplus1 spanish translation added to mobs redo thanks to Aleksys 18:59 tenplus1 hi tumeninodes 18:59 tenplus1 wb lisac 18:59 tenplus1 hi dargod 19:00 tenplus1 w00t! comboooooooOOOOO!!! 19:00 tumeninodes hi tenplusnumerouno 19:00 dargod hello tenplus1) 19:01 dargod I'll relogin 19:01 tumeninodes redid fencegate models and think I accidentally deleted the file :'( 19:01 tenplus1 noooooo, you got backup? 19:02 Krock always commit your stage 19:02 tumeninodes of course not 19:02 Krock ...trash bin? 19:02 tumeninodes I'm lookin... frantically 19:03 lisac thanks tenplus1 19:03 lisac fucking steam filled appmanifest files with NUL 19:03 lisac now I'm re-discovering my library 19:03 Raven262 Hello tumeninodes 19:05 tumeninodes phew... found em! Absolutely no idea how they wound up in the builtin folder 19:05 tumeninodes hi Raven 19:05 tenplus1 ehehehe 19:05 tumeninodes this goes to prove, never ever work tired 19:05 tenplus1 +100 agrees 19:09 tumeninodes ha, I screwed up on the model I made for fence to try out though (wrong size rails) doop 19:10 tumeninodes ever work on something, then look at it the next day and get a feeling you may have a dual personality? 0_o 19:12 lisac tumeninodes, Try reading code you wrote 2 years ago 19:12 lisac 'I won't need comments, I'll remember it' 19:12 lisac Spoiler: No idea how it works 19:14 tenplus1 :P 19:24 garywhite hello 19:25 tenplus1 hi gary 19:31 Shara paramat: homedecor plasma lamp also seems to have the alpha/lighting/whatever it is issue 19:32 tumeninodes lisac, hahaha 19:33 tumeninodes I used to be able to build rpm's and can't even remember how to start one today :P 19:34 tumeninodes but now, with memory issues I can work on something one day, and have zero memory of doing it 2 days later 19:41 tenplus1 https://github.com/tenplus1/tnt <-- added 'explode_centre' flag to tnt.boom function for mod use, will hopefully stop loopback error 19:44 lisac tumeninodes, I don't remember what I had for breakfast this morning 19:46 tumeninodes lisac, who's tumeninodes? 0_o :P 19:48 tumeninodes tenplus1, hopefully? :D didn't you test it? 19:48 tumeninodes hi/bye bigfoot 19:50 tenplus1 I blew up 100 tnt nodes and it worked ok 19:50 tumeninodes blah, think I'm gonna have to redo these fencegate models from scratch. I'm doing something wrong and not getting 2 materials. Maybe I'm exporting wrong 19:50 tenplus1 then used test axe to blow up centre nodes and it dropped items and ran on_blast... so seems to work ok 19:50 tenplus1 until I do more testing and find issue :D 19:51 tumeninodes 100... baby stuff.... do 1000 19:51 tenplus1 lol, dunno if my wee net-top could survive that as is 19:51 tenplus1 but will try 19:51 tumeninodes I got hooked on seeing how many I could set off for about a week 19:52 tenplus1 you are more than welcome to test it out and see how many work for you :))))) https://github.com/tenplus1/tnt 19:52 tenplus1 drop into mods and enable, will override default 19:52 tumeninodes grabbing it now 19:52 tenplus1 also added custom boom sounds, sound distance depending on radius and a few server tweaks :D 19:53 tumeninodes yes, I like that idea 19:53 tenplus1 and api.txt to figure out how it all works 19:53 tenplus1 wb bigfoot 19:53 tumeninodes yummy 19:56 tumeninodes tenplus1, I'll test some tonight and let ya know how it goes. I'll crunch some big numbers woohoo 19:57 tenplus1 thanks dude :) appreciated 19:57 bigfoot547 Hi tenplus1 19:57 tumeninodes think I'll replace boom sound with a "moo" 19:57 tumeninodes hi bigfoot 20:03 tumeninodes heh, neighbor's draining their pool into my yard again, gotta go freak out see yas later 20:13 tenplus1 nite folks o/ 20:38 paramat Shara afaik the plasma lamp uses an unusual implementation 20:52 Calinou god… what the FUCK has gaming become 20:52 Calinou I got force-spectated from a Quake Live sever 20:52 Calinou what the fuck 20:52 Calinou what the fuck 20:52 Calinou what the fuck 20:52 Calinou what the fuck 21:03 sofar what does that even mean? other, than being offtopic :P 21:09 nerzhul hey 21:14 sofar hey 21:25 Fixer hey-hey 21:25 nerzhul hi Fixer 21:26 Fixer Calinou: problem? 21:27 Calinou nevermindf 21:27 Calinou -f 22:21 tumeninodes setting off 1461 tnt nodes = awesome... sometime later "fsck -y /dev/sda1 = priceless" 22:31 sofar just an fyi, the tnt mod can handle 5x5x5 tnt in a single explosion (if you light the center one) 22:32 sofar anything more than 2 nodes away from the `lit` node causes a secondary explosion 22:32 sofar and using more tnt will never make a hole larger than the individual tnt's would make :) 22:39 tumeninodes sofar, I was testing tenplus1's tnt mod 22:41 tumeninodes I tried using gunpowder to try to offset secondary explosions... I don't think it worked :P