Time Nick Message 07:53 DS-minetest 111 people watch now MTG 07:54 cx384 Now they are 112 :D 07:56 CWz A youtube comment pointed out how messed up the concept of barbies is... this would explain the state of society 08:10 Krock aagh.. why does irrlicht strip out control characters when pasting into the chat? >.< 08:32 IhrFussel Ok I'm on my new PC now and it runs Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit ... but yesterday it locked up again while downloading something...I'll have to see what exactly causes those lockups 08:34 IhrFussel Calinou, confirmed the weird 5 secs run after shutdown only happens when I shutdown via button...if I shutdown via OS it behaves normally 08:40 IhrFussel WHAT THE... this new PC handle MT @ 60 FPS compared to my Celeron which only did 20-25 FPS 08:48 Krock hmm, what CPU have you got now? 08:49 IhrFussel Krock, Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5200 08:51 IhrFussel This machine is mad fast compared to the old one...I barely see the Xubuntu loading logo on boot up anymore (It appeared for 5 - 10 secs on old one) 08:51 Krock heh yes. A 2nd core already has a big impact 08:51 Krock huh.. there's a loading logo? 08:51 Krock I've seen it during the install process but now it's gone 08:52 IhrFussel There is a logo with a circle xP guess your PC is much faster than this one 08:52 IhrFussel Do the 8 GB RAM also increase the speed greatly? Or just a little? 08:55 Krock the speed increase happens when other computers would hit the memory limit and move everything to swap 08:55 IhrFussel Ok so out-of-the-box it's simply the 2 cores that makes everything 3-5x faster 08:55 Krock but more RAM doesn't mean that it's faster. it's just more space to put the data in. but you'll have no profit when only using 1 GB of it 08:56 Krock 2 cores and perhaps now 64-bit (?) 08:56 IhrFussel OH yes I forgot...that would mean 4x speed bump right? 2 cores vs 1 and 64 bit vs 32 bit 08:58 Krock up to 4x.. yes, I think so 08:59 Krock but that's somewhat simplified. clock speeds and the HDD access speed isn't included there 09:01 IhrFussel Clock is almost same 2.5 GHz vs 2.6 and HDD speed is same (5400 rpm) 09:01 nerzhul Clock != CPU architecture 09:02 nerzhul and CPU instruction set is more evolved nowadays 09:02 IhrFussel The PC is from 2009 (didn't come with 8 GB RAM obviously) 09:04 IhrFussel But I'm impressed at how much PCs evolved between 2005 and 2009 already 09:05 IhrFussel I remember someone saying "PS3 was almost the most powerful computer back then" but a few years later the PCs passed consoles 09:12 Krock but in order to use newer/better instructions you also need newer software, which is compiled to use them 09:23 IhrFussel Does Opera Linux only have 32-bit .deb ? 09:30 Krock repost from /r/programminghumor https://gfycat.com/specificwhoppinghousefly 09:48 IhrFussel Krock, on my server the FPS go down to 40 xD didn't know I made it that demanding 09:50 Krock yours is indeed quite heavy 09:50 Krock compared with others 09:55 IhrFussel Well as long as it's not as heavy as The Dreambuilder one o.o 10:01 IhrFussel Changing the undersampling setting requires a client close? Is there a certain reason for that? 10:02 IhrFussel Or is that a bug? I set it to 2 and played, worked...now I tried to set it back to 0 and played again, but was still enabled...after client close it was disabled 10:23 Krock caching improves the performance, thus feature 11:02 nerzhul note: new chat protocol has been implemented 11:03 nerzhul if a volunteer want to use the full potential the CSM chat consuming binding should be updated and we should have a core side builtin thing to show chat which could be overrided by mods 11:03 nerzhul red-001, ^ 11:03 nerzhul :D 11:04 nerzhul this will permit end users to customize their chat with colors etc, not depending on server, like in many mmo like SWTOR or WoW :) 11:04 nerzhul CSM + builtin consuming => good 11:06 lisac hey comrades, for some reason carts go forward then backwards, lagging, with anticheat enabled 11:17 Krock If you have important last minute comments on the CSM restrictions: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5930 before merging it 11:30 IhrFussel Krock, do you know when you'll merge the compat breaking PRs? I use the daily builds PPA on my PC and it would be nice to know when to stop using it 11:31 IhrFussel And I hope there will be a way to download the last non-breaking dev somewhere 11:54 Krock IhrFussel, no idea 11:54 Krock there's always 11:54 Krock https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines 12:14 nerzhul gitlab.com is a daily updated mirror from github which trigger pipeline & package minetest for various distro automaticly 12:14 nerzhul it's not perfect packages but it works 12:14 nerzhul it has windows, ubuntu & debian currently 12:15 nerzhul Calinou is working on appimage 12:16 IhrFussel Yes but wouldn't it be the same as the PPA if it's just a mirror? 12:17 IhrFussel I mean if you will provide a link somewhere (maybe in the forum) that leads to the LAST non-breaking .deb 12:18 IhrFussel Cause I'd like to keep ALL dev features since stable BUT also be able to play on my 0.4.16 server 12:40 Fixer r e g r e s s i o n d e t e c t e d 13:00 Shara Hello all 13:01 IhrFussel hi Shara ... has this bug been reported yet? My ENTIRE HAND is gone when I respawn 13:02 Shara I just got home (holiday over :( ) 13:02 Shara But never saw or heard of that bug, so don't know 13:02 Shara when did that start happening? 13:02 IhrFussel Jut now with the newest daily PPA 13:02 IhrFussel Just* 13:03 IhrFussel But not sure if it already happened before..I'll see if it fixes itself 13:04 Shara Don't see any new issues for it at least 13:04 IhrFussel It doesn't come back it's gone for good 13:05 Shara I suggest an issue then 13:05 Shara THey can always close it if it did get posted already 13:07 Fixer "just test" world save back then and now is huge difference, right now it is damn silky smooth 13:08 IhrFussel Screenshot http://i.imgur.com/BtGH6On.png 13:12 IhrFussel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6140 13:13 Fixer IhrFussel: there was hand fix just yesterday, do you know exact commit? 13:14 Fixer of your build 13:16 IhrFussel Fixer, I downloaded the PPA version 3 hours ago not sure when the PPA updates 13:16 Fixer once a day 13:16 Fixer i believe 13:16 IhrFussel Yes but the question is WHEN :P 13:19 IhrFussel The PPA version should contain the commit version too (or is that not possible?) 13:21 Fixer IhrFussel: just wait 1 more day 13:22 Fixer 15-Jul-2017 19:29 21M 13:23 IhrFussel UTC? 13:23 Fixer no idea 13:23 Fixer it does not specify 13:23 Fixer looks like hand fix was merged AFTER that 13:24 Fixer so you need to wait for next daily PPA 13:25 IhrFussel Is there a link to see the line above? 13:26 Fixer http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/daily-builds/ubuntu/pool/main/m/minetest/?C=M;O=D 13:26 Fixer according to github hand fix was merged 19 hours ago 13:30 IhrFussel When I break a node it breaks into many smaller parts...is that the "particles" setting? 13:31 IhrFussel I don't remember this behavior/setting on my old PC (maybe cause it was OpenGL 1.5 vs 2.1 now) 13:40 Fixer IhrFussel: particles 13:41 IhrFussel Fixer, IMO this setting is misleading...it doesn't also disable all server particles right? 13:41 IhrFussel Like particle spawners and single ones sent to client 13:45 Fixer IhrFussel: it does not iirc 13:46 IhrFussel "Client particles" would be a better name then 13:46 Krock particle spawner is an API feature 13:46 Krock particles alone just a visual effect 13:47 Krock client particle spawners are or will be merged soon FYI 13:47 Krock at least there was a PR for it 13:50 IhrFussel What does kilbith mean "HEAD"? 13:52 IhrFussel I hope he doesn't seriously mean that ONLY people with fresh compiled master versions should open issues...cause that's stupid 13:53 IhrFussel The situation with my issue is a (very rare) race condition...it's not my fault that the PPA didn't update yet + devs cannot skip time 14:04 Krock IhrFussel, the reason is that there was a fresh commit to fix a similar issue 14:05 Krock if you can reproduce this with the next build, it'll be a confirmed bug - a regular one 14:06 IhrFussel Krock, I know that but it is still a race condition that I experienced this issue JUST BEFORE that commit was applied to the PPA...so I think kilbith's reaction is rude 14:06 Krock IhrFussel, corrected the spelling of the latest comment 14:07 Krock but I hope you understand why it's yet just a "Unconfirmed bug" 14:10 IhrFussel Yes I do ... also how can I provide a commit hash from PPA? Is it on the package page? 14:10 IhrFussel If it was part of --version it would be much easier to append it to an issue IMO 14:12 Krock hmm.. it's not included in --version? could you please bpastebin the whole --version content? 14:18 IhrFussel No it's not if you use PPA https://pastebin.com/R7PKBGEy 14:26 Krock :/ 14:33 IhrFussel Krock, do you think it would be possible to include it in future versions? 14:33 Krock I have no clue how PPA works, thus I can't tell how much work it'll be 15:57 Fixer look into (changes file) in https://launchpad.net/%7Eminetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/daily-builds/+packages 15:57 Fixer you will see exact commit 15:58 Fixer Version: 201707151841-0~84aa845~ubuntu17.10.1 15:58 Fixer 84aa845 16:24 IhrFussel That is EXTREMELY cumbersome 16:24 IhrFussel I suggest to add it to the version string for PPAs (if possible) 17:03 octacian Well, I'm going to be away until tomorrow afternoon, Cya'll then :D 17:06 IhrFussel This hand bug is FRUSTRATING...please let me know when the PPA has been updated 17:07 Krock IhrFussel, how about no? set "arm_inertia = false" in your minetest.conf 18:39 Fixer *,..,,,,* 18:41 KaadmY *8,,*..*8,,*,*<*..<7*88.*,86$@*# 18:41 KaadmY Do I win a prize or something now? 18:43 Krock KaadmY, here, take this cookie from the dark side. 18:44 rubenwardy Shara, do you run RedCat creative? 18:44 Shara rubenwardy: It's my server, yes 18:44 Krock see #minetest ^ 18:45 rubenwardy there's a player on #minetest asking for its IRC channel 18:45 rubenwardy banned on Red Cat Creative server asking all these questions. :( 18:45 Shara Yea, he's not really wanted 18:45 rubenwardy lol 18:45 Shara And if he does join the IRC channel, he'll get banned there too 18:45 Krock that's mean 18:46 Shara Krock: He had multiple warnings from three different admins 18:49 Shara Let's say I let him join the IRC channel (which is generally invite only anyway) 18:49 Shara Then what will he do? Argue about getting banned? 18:49 Shara Ask more questions? 18:51 Krock well, at least one legit question: "why was I banned?" 18:52 Shara Krock: He was asked by three different admins to stop a certain behaviour, and did not confirm he would stop. Then he proceeding to ask questions, which we told him how to solve. He demonstrated no willingness to do as we suggested and just kept on asking. Kind of non-stop. 18:53 Krock ack. 18:53 Shara I've never seen him before today, so don't have any reason to think he was other than a first time player there, and he obviously did not fit the server, and didn't want to make an effort to cooperate. He acted like he was entitled. 18:54 Shara If not wanting to revert the ban one of my team members made makes me mean, then okay, I'm mean :) 18:57 Donbatman Shara is a meanie 18:58 Shara Hi Don 18:58 Donbatman Hi Shara 18:58 Donbatman Hi everyone 18:58 Shara Krock: as a note, I generally go out of my way to help people with questions on any server, mine or other servers. But he really was pretty singleminded and only had one question, which I did answer. He apparently ignored or didn't like my answer though. 18:59 Shara Then made some claims that we should admit it if we didn't know the answer 18:59 Krock yes, I believe that you helped that player and with that I also agree with your decision 19:00 Shara Hopefully he will find somewhere 19:05 rubenwardy congrats garywhite! 19:08 shivajiva okay I'll bite, what you congratulating him on? 19:08 rubenwardy This drawing's lucky EliteBNC Lottery winning number is: 22 - won by: garywhite on Freenode - The next drawing is in 14 days. Make sure to set your new number. Thanks for playing! 19:08 shivajiva XD 19:11 garywhite thx 19:31 Calinou Calinou is working on appimage 19:31 Calinou not yet 19:32 Calinou but I'll do it some day 19:32 Calinou (also, consider deploying binaries to Bintray or something, GitLab really isn't good for user-facing downloads) 19:35 rubenwardy underscore makes lua so much nicer in places 19:35 rubenwardy all we need now is compile time static type analysers 19:35 rubenwardy and type annotations 19:52 Jordach Calinou, rubenwardy; i've got a friend at Team17 19:52 Jordach he reviewed Minetest's GLSL shaders 19:53 Jordach "how is this thing even working" 19:53 Calinou inb4 "they suck" 19:53 rubenwardy ~g Team17 19:53 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Team17 Digital Limited - Team17 Digital Limited is a leading independent developer and digital publisher. Team17 publishes games for PC, console, mobile, handheld devices and more. , Team17 - Wikipedia - Team 17 Digital Limited (formerly 17-Bit Software and later Team 17 Software Limited), doing business as Team17, is a British (4 more messages) 19:53 Calinou Worms developers, IIRC 19:53 Jordach published Yooka Laylee* 19:53 rubenwardy Jordach, is he offering? 19:53 Jordach rubenwardy, he worked on the PBR engine of Urho 3 19:53 Jordach D 19:53 Calinou also, yeah, no fixes, no clicks 19:53 Jordach it's not as bad as the CryEngine 19:54 Jordach CryEngine is literally hell to work with, apparently 19:54 Calinou Godot :D 19:54 Jordach it makes Minetest look like a piece of cake 20:04 red-001 Jordach, it's in the name 20:04 red-001 devs cry when they are told they will be using it 20:08 garywhite ~g Minetest 20:08 ShadowBot garywhite: Home - Minetest - About. Minetest is a near-infinite-world block sandbox game and a game engine, inspired by InfiniMiner, Minecraft, and the like. 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(9 more messages) 20:08 red-001 well 20:14 Fixer Jordach: oohh, i was a big fun of Worms 2, played it for very long time back then 20:15 Fixer or it was Worms 1 20:15 Fixer not the dos one 20:15 Fixer but on win 98 se 20:16 Fixer long time ago in galaxy far away* 20:16 Fixer played on legendary overclockable celeron PC 20:25 KaadmY I'd link to some shitty code in Cryengine, but I can't find it since it's so messy 20:29 KaadmY Ah here we go https://github.com/CRYTEK/CRYENGINE/blob/release/Code/CryEngine/CryPhysics/livingentity.cpp#L1300 20:55 Calinou lol 21:04 Fixer KaadmY: CryEngine 21:06 KaadmY Fixer: hm? 21:11 Fixer KaadmY: " CryEngine is literally hell to work with, apparently" 21:11 Fixer KaadmY: Cry Engine 21:12 Fixer KaadmY: wanna port minetest to Cry Engine? 21:13 KaadmY Oh god 21:13 KaadmY No please 21:13 KaadmY Minetest + CryEngine = HellTest 21:14 Fixer KaadmY: court ruled: you are sentenced to porting minetest to cryEngine for the next 20 years... 21:14 Fixer Minetest + CryEngine = MineCryEngineTest 21:14 Fixer now this is good 21:14 Fixer /music plays 21:25 Calinou is it just me, or Minetest development has become a mess since a year ago or so? 21:25 Calinou I've looked at the recent issues and god, this is so dense… 21:26 Calinou I miss the times where Minetest was pretty actively developed with celeron55 :( 21:26 Calinou it was like, the fastest-moving open source game out there 21:26 KaadmY Yeah 21:26 KaadmY Now it's quickly moving 21:26 KaadmY But in the wrong directions 21:31 nerzhul yeah minetest has many issues, community growth too 21:31 nerzhul but yes mientest dev is less active these days 21:35 Jordach meanwhile two years ago 21:35 Jordach i called this shit out 21:36 rubenwardy well, the point of this channel is to steer development, right? 21:37 rubenwardy also: it's hard to get developers as the work's unpaid 21:37 Jordach this is where the cool kids hang out, rubenwardy 21:37 rubenwardy so you rely on volunteer time 21:37 rubenwardy well, as well as that 21:49 rubenwardy > mod is called currency 21:49 rubenwardy > adds shops 21:49 rubenwardy :( 21:50 rubenwardy also, the shop really needs a better UI 22:16 Fixer Calinou: and MTG is in sleep state 22:48 garywhite in sleep state? 22:52 KaadmY Ie. dead 22:54 celeron55 whoops, the forum certificate is expiring tomorrow, remind me after i wake up 22:55 KaadmY https://youtu.be/npjOSLCR2hE?t=36s 23:55 garywhite It's dead as a bloody doornail!