Time Nick Message 02:28 garywhite My client just crashed for no reason (0.4.16 on a 0.4.15 server) 02:28 bigfoot547 With what error messages? Was it a segfault? 02:31 bigfoot547 ? 02:34 garywhite It just said (Not Responding) 02:35 garywhite & then Windows said it had stopped responding, then the window just closed itself 02:35 garywhite Like everything in Windows crashes 03:03 benrob0329 Everyone does realise that offtopic is just as cancerous as before, right? 03:03 benrob0329 VanessaE, sfan5, Calinou 03:04 VanessaE zzz 03:04 benrob0329 Lol 03:05 benrob0329 Perhaps you could appoint some people to be offtopic moderators 03:05 VanessaE I have no such authority 03:05 benrob0329 Keep it under control 03:05 kaeza celeron55, ^ 03:05 VanessaE I can delete posts and such, but I don't police offtopic if I can possibly avoid it 03:05 benrob0329 ( celeron55 ) 03:05 VanessaE I'd like to keep my sanity :P 03:05 kaeza nuke it from orbit 03:05 benrob0329 We did that 03:06 benrob0329 That left a void 03:06 benrob0329 Filled up with backwash crap 03:06 kaeza nuke the users too? 03:06 benrob0329 Nah, just set guidelines 03:06 kaeza it's just 3 or 4 that turn all threads to sh¡t 03:07 benrob0329 Rename it to "The Break Room" or something 03:08 benrob0329 Keeping it appropriate, and somewhat constructive 03:08 benrob0329 Make a "Game Table" subforum 03:08 kaeza nah, redirect to /b/ 03:08 benrob0329 *sigh* 03:09 kaeza or goatse.cx or whatever the domain is now 03:09 benrob0329 An offtopic section can help make forums fun 03:09 kaeza too much? 03:09 benrob0329 It just doesn't need to be for shitposting 03:14 benrob0329 Think of it like this 03:15 benrob0329 If you clean out a junk drawer, but don't put any organisers in it, its just going to become a junk drawer again 03:19 bigfoot547 ^ +1 03:19 bigfoot547 Sage advice... 03:23 benrob0329 So, yes you split it up and renamed it 03:23 benrob0329 But no one knows what the hell "On-Topic" means 03:24 benrob0329 And you didn't do it in a clear, consistent way 03:27 benrob0329 What im seeing is that MT forums is growing much faster than ot was expected to 03:27 benrob0329 And without a real gameplan 03:28 benrob0329 The problems we see today, will only get worse of you do not correct them whilst they are small 04:05 bigfoot547 Night guys! 05:54 Calinou benrob0329: I think I realized it already, but thanks :) 06:22 Hijiri off-topic should get specific (non-minetest-related) boards 06:28 Calinou how many of them though? :P 06:28 Calinou and that wouldn't solve the problem anyway 06:28 Calinou the problem here is purely the people who use it regularly 08:01 CWz hmm we need figit spinners in minetest, when used all mobs on server attack player using it 08:02 tenplus1 hi folks 08:02 Thomas-S Hi, tenplus1! 08:02 tenplus1 mornin thomas 08:11 Shara Morning all 08:11 tenplus1 hi Shara 08:11 Shara Hi 11 08:11 tenplus1 :P 08:12 Shara How's it going? 08:13 tenplus1 chore day :PPPP you ? 08:13 Shara Last day before scary-exam-of-doom! 08:13 tenplus1 erk... good luck 08:13 Shara :) 08:15 tenplus1 hi nrz 08:18 nerzhul hi tenplus1 08:18 Shara Hi nerzhul 08:19 tenplus1 today is the day I go cold turkey.... 08:19 Shara From what? 08:20 tenplus1 Adobe Flash 08:20 Shara Good luck :P 08:20 tenplus1 thx... am finding too many issues 08:25 tenplus1 hi Cal 08:30 tenplus1 4 minutes without Flash plugin... *itches* 09:01 Calinou hi tenplus1 09:01 tenplus1 hi DS-minetest 09:01 tenplus1 what's new Cal 09:01 DS-minetest hi tenplus1 09:02 Calinou tenplus1: working on the Symfony app :p 09:02 tenplus1 whassat ./ 09:02 Calinou for internship 09:02 Calinou also trying to figure out CSS animations... 09:03 tenplus1 ooh, sounds a lotta work 09:07 tenplus1 hi fussel 09:07 IhrFussel Hello there...why did 0.4.16 ship with "half broken" settings? 09:07 tenplus1 which ones ? 09:08 IhrFussel Undersampling doesn't work on Android and it doesn't work on OpenGL 1.X either (just black screen) 09:08 tenplus1 pass! 09:09 IhrFussel My Android isn't deprecated either (4.4.2 which is still widely used) 09:15 Calinou pretty sure it's more or less deprecated by Google already :P 09:15 Calinou I haven't tried undersampling on my device ere, need to find the minetest.conf first 09:17 Calinou thing is, if I browse my device via SFTP, I see net.minetest.minetest folder, a files/ folder inside but no minetest.conf 09:17 IhrFussel Many devices still ship with 4.4 (mainly the cheaper ones) ... but it doesn't matter, my point is it should TELL you in the settings that it only works for OpenGL X.X+ and Android X.X+ at least 09:17 Calinou there's another folder, also empty 09:18 Calinou ok, found it 09:18 Calinou made the SFTP server start at device root, so I have access to everything 09:18 Calinou IhrFussel: "Feature checking? Who needs that?" ;) 09:20 Calinou IhrFussel: but you are right, it doesn't seem to work with shaders off and the default renderer (which I think, is GLES 1.0?) 09:20 Calinou just tried here 09:21 IhrFussel I thought Minetest was originally supposed to be a voxel game that people with OLD computers could also enjoy...did that change? 09:23 * tenplus1 flashes fussels android to 6.0 09:23 Calinou if you enable shaders with the default configuraton, everything turns red :D 09:24 Calinou IhrFussel: open source never has been about "old computers"; it's a lie 09:24 Calinou people seem to be misunderstanding a lot, but this is not the project vision of most OSS projects 09:24 Calinou ...including Minetest 09:24 Calinou (at least, in my opinion) 09:25 nerzhul IhrFussel, 0.5 will make some old systems less happy as we will switch to C++11 support, bye bye windows xp 09:26 Calinou yeah, Windows XP support will be gone, same for Ubuntu < 14.04 (and 14.04 will likely require Clang or a PPA) 09:26 IhrFussel I wasn't talking about the OSS aspect, I was talking about how lightweight Minetest is and I think several core devs said somewhere that it's optimized for older PCs as well ... now I enabled shaders and still see everything black EXCEPT for a few colorful pixels in the top left corner 09:26 Calinou Minetest is not really lightweight anymore 09:26 Calinou it's a full-fledged game and engine, and Minecraft has been shown to be more optimized 09:27 nerzhul minetest is not very lightweight, it consume many memory 09:27 nerzhul shaders on android are just pain 09:28 IhrFussel Calinou, Minetest is lightweight when my PC that runs on a singlecore Celeron and 768 MB RAM and a 128 MB GPU...can handle it 09:28 nerzhul IhrFussel, i think you don't load many mapblocks :p 09:28 nerzhul nobody really maintain android, i tried to improve a little bit situation but OpenGL 1.X is just bad 09:29 Calinou yeah, with enjoyable gameplay settings (view range 120 or above), you're definitely not getting 60 FPS 09:29 Calinou nerzhul: and Irrlicht doesn't have GLES 3.0 renderer :( 09:29 Calinou which is the first decent GLES version 09:29 nerzhul Calinou, yes... 09:29 IhrFussel Of course I reduced the view but my point is it's playable with certain settings...I don't believe one sec that Minecraft becoes playable on my machine no matter how much I change settings 09:29 nerzhul minecraft required java 7 at least and it's not compatible wit ha such configuration :p 09:33 tenplus1 hi dts 09:33 tenplus1 Protector Redo updated to 2.1, added new 'protector_night_pvp' setting 09:43 IhrFussel To each their own I guess...I don't need a view range of 120 and I also don't need 60 FPS...I'm TOTALLY happy with 25-30 FPS and a viewing range of 30 - 50 ... my point still stands: Why do you include settings WITHOUT warning that they only work for newer GPUs 09:45 Shara IhrFussel: why not post an issue and ask for a warning of some kind to be added? 09:47 IhrFussel Shara, first I wanted to hear possible reasons by the devs themselves before I open one 09:47 IhrFussel or read* 09:47 Calinou there's no point in adding a warning 09:47 Calinou instead, the checkbox should be grayed out with some kind of tooltip :P 09:47 Calinou but that needs to be done with feature detection 09:48 IhrFussel And since nobody wants to bother with that I will simply request a warning...it's just a TEXT, nothing to code 09:49 tenplus1 if engine detects android <5.0 then it prints a warning telling player to get a better phone :DDD 09:49 IhrFussel tenplus1, sorry but you don't seem to care about poor people who cannot buy recent phones with the newest Android 99.9 09:50 tenplus1 fussel, why so serious... was a joke 09:52 IhrFussel Cause I see it as a major flaw...IMAGINE someone with Android 4.4 (or lower) now downloads Minetest, checks the advanced settings and changes A LOT ... then the person wants to play in the world and suddenly BLACK SCREEN...the problem is the person doesn't know which setting caused that 09:53 tenplus1 hi lisac 09:53 tenplus1 if it works ok without shaders then maybe they should come disabled by default on android devices 09:54 lisac Hi tenplus1 09:54 * Shara wonders if there is a way to grey out options... 09:54 IhrFussel tenplus1, it neither works with shaders enabled or disabled...at least not on 4.4 (not sure which OpenGL ES version is required) 09:54 Shara Either way, probably won't happen without an issue 09:55 Calinou Shara: already possible, see shader options dropdown when shaders are disabled 09:55 tenplus1 true, write up an issue Fussel 09:55 Calinou IhrFussel: Android 4.4 has GLES 2.0 09:55 Calinou your device needs to support it, but remember, GLES 2.0 was released in 2007 09:55 Calinou so pretty much all Android 4.x devices have it, I believe 09:55 Shara Make an issue with full details of the problem, and maybe someone will make a PR with an answer to it 09:56 Shara It's not one I can offer to even look at myself though, because I don't play from android. 09:57 IhrFussel Calinou, then why did you remove the option to change the GL ES version? Is it somewhere buried in advanced settings now? It was in the basic settings menu before 09:57 IhrFussel why did they* 09:58 Calinou it's hidden and defaulted to GLES 1.0 now, IIRC 09:58 Calinou and the Advanced Settings menu is only made for desktop renderers 09:58 Calinou so it does not mention either gles1 or gles2 09:58 Calinou but only opengl, software, burningsvideo... 09:59 IhrFussel 0.4.14 had it in the basic settings IIRC 09:59 IhrFussel on Android 09:59 Calinou I don't know why it was removed, perhaps GLES 2.0 was deemed too buggy/slow 10:01 IhrFussel Can you tell me the name of the setting? It's a real PAIN to navigate the advanced settings on a touchscreen 10:02 tenplus1 have you ever tried cyanogen mod to upgrade your phone to a newer version ? 10:04 IhrFussel Is it "video_driver"? It only lists "opengl" I can't choose a version to use ... tenplus1 I don't want to lose the warranty on my phone 10:05 tenplus1 may I ask what make/model phone you have ? 10:07 IhrFussel HUAWEI Y625 10:09 tenplus1 am kinda surprised they still sell mobile phones with android versions below 5.0 in this day and age 10:09 tenplus1 my Lenovo B came with 6.01 and was only 60 quid 10:14 IhrFussel tenplus1, my phone is 1 year old now and it was $99 ... now it's probably only $70 or $80 anymore 10:14 Calinou more like $40 :P 10:14 Calinou Android phones devalue fairly quickly, in my experience 10:14 tenplus1 cause they are just phones... they have no fashion value associated to them like iphone 10:15 tenplus1 but I'd rather have an android :) 10:15 IhrFussel Calinou, if you buy it directly from the manufacturer it will cost more than $40 still :P 10:17 IhrFussel Also yes there are cheap Android 5.0+ phones/tablets but they mostly don't have enough RAM 10:18 IhrFussel My phone was the ONLY one at my local store with quadcore and 1 GB RAM for < $100 10:19 IhrFussel If you only need 512 MB RAM you can get one for $30 10:26 IhrFussel Creating the issue now 10:42 tenplus1 hi fixer 10:50 tenplus1 hi cx384 10:50 cx384 hi tenplus1 :) 11:28 tenplus1 Xanadu is supposed to be a medeival survival server, but the players have sorta banded into helpful groups and made public farms/forests for all to take... makes things too easy :PPPPP 11:34 Shara DL has gone the other way. It's now completely possible for a new player to starve before finding food 11:34 tenplus1 ahh, true survival... ehehe 11:34 red-NaN multiple times 11:35 tenplus1 that's why I go on a killing spree with the wildlife before doing anything :P helps 11:35 tenplus1 ehehehehe 11:35 Shara The moderator running the public farm insists it's still public... but he protected it. 11:35 Shara He can't seem to understand what that means for new players :) 11:35 tenplus1 shame... 11:36 Shara After tomorrow I will start changing things there 11:36 tenplus1 xanadu is running today's protector changes... if the players agree we'll enable the protector_night_pvp mode :D 11:36 Shara Hehe 11:37 Shara We seem to like copying each other :P 11:37 Shara Though I really hope I don't need to keep DL locked down for too long.... 11:37 tenplus1 only IF the players agree... server is always kept up to date tho 11:40 tenplus1 brb 12:09 red-NaN @server owners: Are custom chat messages sent by CSM a major concern? 12:09 tenplus1 yes 12:09 tenplus1 players would mimic any player or admin and fool many people 12:09 VanessaE red-NaN: they are if they're not rate- and length-limited 12:09 red-NaN they are currently rate limited 12:10 * Jordach considers creating a central auth server 12:10 sfan5 are csm sent msgs any different than normal msg? 12:10 red-NaN no 12:10 sfan5 then tenplus1's concern does not apply 12:10 red-NaN CSM messages are treated by the server the same normal messages are 12:10 nerzhul CSM messages = sending chat message like regular way 12:10 nerzhul it just permit to hide some server commands inside GUIs for example 12:11 nerzhul (because we removed chat prediction heh) 12:11 red-NaN well if you use diffrent colours for admins in chat it then that could be an issue 12:11 red-NaN but I'm planning to make a server-sided fix for that 12:12 tenplus1 so long as we have an option available to disable CSM on servers or better yet, an optino to only allow CSM mods FROM the server itself 12:13 sfan5 that would make csm way less useful though (the last proposal) 12:13 Amaz I would love it if the server could send CSM mods :) 12:13 nerzhul we are working on CSM flavours do you prefer to disallow API for sending chat messages (not client manually written chat messages) or control client rate limiting (which is actually same as default server limits) 12:14 tenplus1 +1 amaz 12:14 nerzhul yeah you want it and we listened to you but there are major concerns to do it's why we didn't try to ship it in this 0.4.16 , first have an API usage for users and see what happens, second enhance 12:15 nerzhul for who/who_plus mod was exactly why CSM was designed at first step :) 12:15 red-NaN could I suggest a solution for length limiting? 12:15 nerzhul message length ? 12:15 red-NaN just break long messages into smaller sub messages 12:15 red-NaN and then do regular rate limiting 12:16 nerzhul it can break some long commands i think 12:16 red-NaN well have a reasonable limit like 100 chars 12:16 nerzhul better is to refuse that in API because it's non printable and not our job to split them 12:16 red-NaN well that could work too 12:17 VanessaE no don't do that 12:17 tenplus1 hi red, hi Vanessa 12:17 VanessaE someone sends a 1k block of spam... bam, dozens of messages 12:17 red-NaN VanessaE, I was suggesting puting it through regular rate limiting 12:17 VanessaE limit the message length to 256 chars, and rate-limit to like once every 10 seconds or so, depending on length 12:18 red-NaN which is 8 messages per 10s 12:18 VanessaE red-NaN: the problem is, the sender loads up their 1k of text, presses send... 12:18 VanessaE now you have.........spam...spam...spam...spam...spam... 12:18 red-NaN oh yeah I forgot about the message queue 12:18 VanessaE (imagine a short delay for each "...") 12:18 red-NaN alright thats a good point 12:19 nerzhul message queue is only client side 12:19 nerzhul server limits and discards messages 12:19 nerzhul message queue can send messages, but they will be refused by server :p 12:19 tenplus1 hi raven 12:26 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139 12:28 DI3HARD139 hello 12:29 DI3HARD139 Quick question for the group. Can I use Non-Volatile memory as standard ram?? 12:29 Calinou DI3HARD139: yes, I've heard of NAND RAM (so you have lots of it) but it's very slow 12:29 DI3HARD139 I ordered 2 4x4GB ram kits and apparently they were non volatile ram kits 12:29 Calinou but they'd be huge in terms of capacity 12:29 Calinou benchmark their speed 12:29 Calinou if it's < 10,000 MB/s in sequential, that might be the case 12:30 DI3HARD139 Gotta reseat the ram. one sec 12:30 sfan5 you can get nand in dimm format? 12:30 Calinou sfan5: I saw that, but that was years ago 12:30 DI3HARD139 Guess so. They were Micron branded but apparently Cypress Technology made them 12:31 sfan5 apparently these actually exist http://www.agigatech.com/ddr3.php 12:32 DI3HARD139 and those are the exact ones I got :P 12:32 DI3HARD139 #Failing 12:32 sfan5 those sound like they would be either 1) a lot more expensive or 2) a lot slower 12:32 DI3HARD139 Both 12:33 DI3HARD139 Looks like I gotta order another ram kit.... 12:33 sfan5 so you didn't even compare prices? 12:33 DI3HARD139 I only paid $38 USD shipped 12:34 DI3HARD139 Ahhhhh..... The life of trying to fill 8 ram slots with identical ram 12:35 Calinou there's no real point in having > 2 sticks of RAM in a desktop today 12:35 Calinou unless you need 64 GB of RAM, which is very unlikely right now 12:35 sfan5 when i buy something i usually filter by what i need (e.g. storage space) and sort by price ascending 12:36 sfan5 so it's pretty much impossible that i accidentally spend too much money :P 12:36 Calinou yeah, typically you sort by configuration (2 sticks, not more, not less) and storage, then price 12:36 Calinou 1-stick should be avoided as well, since you won't benefit from dual channel 12:36 Calinou (the difference is tiny, but it's there) 12:36 DI3HARD139 Im just trying to utilize the quad channel capability of my CPU 12:37 sfan5 the difference is tiny 12:37 DI3HARD139 That and its a Xeon so it needs all the help it can get in terms of memory bandwidth as I can't overclock it. | On a side note. I just killed one of the sticks. oops 12:37 sfan5 Calinou: i have only one ram stick installed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:38 Calinou also helps if a RAM stick fails, you can keep on using your PC (albeit with reduced RAM) 12:38 Calinou if you have just one and it fails, you can't do anything :P 12:38 DI3HARD139 never mind. Apparently Westmere-EP doesnt support nvdimms 12:39 DI3HARD139 which makes sense 12:39 sfan5 won't those just act like normal ram sticks? 12:40 DI3HARD139 I would assume so. But for some reason its getting confused 12:41 DI3HARD139 They were working fine in my Sandy Bridge - EP (e5-2665) aside from the OS not getting the SPD data 12:45 Amaz red-NaN: Is https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5492 still on your radar? It would be pretty wonderful :) 12:48 red-NaN yeah it is 12:48 red-NaN I'm meaning to rewrite it 12:48 red-NaN not really happen with all the code dupilcation I caused 12:48 Amaz :) 13:00 tenplus1 hi nathan 13:01 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 13:03 DI3HARD139 and.... memory controller is gone..... yay 13:03 DI3HARD139 Anywho. What performance changes were made to the 3D Engine? 13:04 nerzhul now we use Unreal engine 4 13:04 DI3HARD139 I wish 13:04 nerzhul this will never happen heh 13:05 DI3HARD139 I'd take Vulkan though 13:05 tenplus1 vulkan is taking over slow but sure :)) yay 13:20 Calinou Vulkan isn't a panacea though, it has low hardware support and Apple still doesn't support it 13:20 Calinou (they did not announce any kind of support at WWDC 2017) 13:20 Calinou fun fact: they were part of the Vulkan advisory board 13:20 tenplus1 apple want everything to run there own way 13:21 Calinou yeah, they have their own API, Metal 13:21 Calinou you can convert Vulkan to Metal using MoltenVK but it's not open source, and paid 13:21 Calinou and there's no open source equivalent yet 13:25 tenplus1 metal api does look interesting but I think that vulkan is opengl's eventual form with it's api being reworked 13:25 Calinou OpenGL isn't discontinued entirely actually, new extensions were added last year (but nobody uses them) 13:26 Calinou the current hardware support doesn't make it viable to require OpenGL 4.x anyway, except for AAA games or workstation apps 13:26 DI3HARD139 To answer the question as for speed of the memory. Its actually faster then standard PC3-12800R memory. (12031MB/s vs 11842MB/s 13:33 tenplus1 hi RobbieF 13:34 tenplus1 hi stone 13:43 tenplus1 wb DS-minetest 13:44 DS-minetest thanks :) 13:44 StoneTalus[Rare] sup guys 13:45 tenplus1 chillin :) you ? 13:45 StoneTalus[Rare] bored 13:46 StoneTalus[Rare] need to replace a keyboard key 13:46 tenplus1 which one ? 13:46 Raven262 Which one? 13:46 Raven262 xD 13:46 StoneTalus[Rare] > and . 13:46 tenplus1 time for a new keyboard... 2.99 ;P 13:46 StoneTalus[Rare] I have one 13:46 StoneTalus[Rare] this is just my laptop lol 13:50 tenplus1 ehe 13:55 tenplus1 hi twoelk 13:55 twoelk hi 13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] O 13:56 twoelk hmm? minetest-project is gone? 13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] \|/ 13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] /\ 13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] nvm 13:56 StoneTalus[Rare] i give up 13:57 tenplus1 ? 13:58 * twoelk fires up a browsing fox to study the logs 13:59 tenplus1 am researching metal api 14:00 twoelk have been discussing metallurgy with my 11y old nephew who noticed differences between gaming and what he is being taught about metalls in school ;-) 14:00 tenplus1 I dont think any game is accurate in that area :P 14:01 tenplus1 maybe the new tin+copper recipe but even then smelting in a furnace :P 14:01 twoelk yeah, so what he learnt is that school knowladge is of no use in gaming :-( 14:02 twoelk -a+e 14:04 tenplus1 so MoltenVK and MoltenGL both run Vulkan and OPenGL games/software through using Metal API 14:10 benrob0329 * Jordach considers creating a central auth server 14:10 benrob0329 NO! 14:11 tenplus1 personally I would remove auth.txt and handle it inside player files 14:11 tenplus1 less chance of crashing whole server if file becomes corrupt 14:11 nerzhul tenplus1, we have a solution i will backport from my server in 0.5 which is a postgresql/sqlite database for auth 14:11 nerzhul it will permit to have central auth on servers using pgsql 14:12 nerzhul bind 3-4 servers on the minetest_auth db :) 14:12 tenplus1 ???? 14:12 benrob0329 ^^^ 14:12 benrob0329 Erm, +1 nerzhul 14:21 nerzhul !tell DS-minetest can you finish #5917 please ? 14:21 ShadowBot nerzhul: O.K. 14:21 benrob0329 (Off) https://youtu.be/7z4hoazra_g 14:24 red-NaN Jordach, est31 already made one 14:24 IhrFussel I'm asking for someone else: What's the IRC mod called? 14:24 red-NaN IRC iirc 14:24 red-NaN https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905 14:24 IhrFussel Just "IRC"? Are capital letters allowed? 14:25 Calinou it is "irc"in lowercase 14:25 red-NaN so the mod folder is "irc" 14:25 IhrFussel Ok thanks^^ 14:38 IhrFussel The function to remove color codes is color.strip_colors(str) ? Not minetest.X? 14:39 red-NaN well core == minetest 14:39 red-NaN you can use either or 14:39 IhrFussel But it says color.strip_colors in Lua API 14:39 red-NaN oh 14:39 red-NaN I though I made a PR to fix that 14:40 red-NaN that should be either "core" or "minetest" 14:40 IhrFussel Also color.strip_background_colors(str) ... I compiled Jun 4 when did you make the PR? 14:41 red-NaN It seems I forgot to 14:51 Calinou IIRC, mods should use minetest. 14:51 Calinou and builtin/ should use core. 14:51 Calinou it's just a convention though 14:54 red-NaN yeah it convention 14:54 red-NaN a werid and pointless one if you ask me 14:56 red-NaN it's* 15:30 * red-NaN 15:50 Krock best chance for 10+1 to ninja me in greeting 15:51 Krock hello everone 15:51 red-NaN !tell tenplus1 hi 15:51 ShadowBot red-NaN: O.K. 15:51 nerzhul !tell tenplus proot 15:51 ShadowBot nerzhul: O.K. 15:52 nerzhul Hey Krock 15:52 Krock hi nerzhul 15:52 red-NaN !tell Krock hi 15:52 ShadowBot red-NaN: O.K. 15:52 Krock . 15:52 nerzhul !tell Krock /kick Krock 15:52 ShadowBot nerzhul: O.K. 15:53 Krock what are you guys up to? 16:00 benrob0329 Krock: gonna give my cat a wash 16:01 Krock Uh. Is it going to be a fight to get the cat wet? 16:15 IhrFussel Is it okay to have a changelog in the OP in my server thread? 16:17 red-NaN sounds ok 16:18 IhrFussel I just hope there are no edit limits 16:19 Amaz IhrFussel: I don't think that there are any edit limits (or if there are, they're very high). 16:20 red-NaN most mods/server/subgames/etc tend to make a new post for every change 16:20 Amaz e.g. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=83513#p83513 "edited 101 times in total." 16:20 red-NaN maybe the limit is 102 16:20 Amaz Heh 16:21 IhrFussel If I would create a new post for every change I'd flood my own topic (take a look at the current change log) 16:22 benrob0329 Question, do you prefer longer videos with heavy amounts of editing, or shorter videos released more often? 16:27 Shara benrob0329: I prefer good videos, regardless of length. :P 16:28 Calinou Jordach would likely prefer 4-hour-long YTPs 16:28 Calinou :D 16:28 benrob0329 Lol 16:28 benrob0329 This is true 16:29 Jordach Calinou, you fucking wot m8 16:32 tenplus1 hi peeps 16:32 tenplus1 Question. Can I disable CSM mods from loading on a client from server-side ?? 16:32 Jordach uhhh 16:33 benrob0329 tenplus1: hi 16:33 tenplus1 hi ben 16:33 tenplus1 hi Jordach 16:36 tenplus1 wb DS-minetest 16:36 DS-minetest thank you 11 16:45 Krock hi tenplus1 16:45 tenplus1 hi krock, whats new? 16:46 Krock tenplus1, xubuntu installed and building Minetest rn 16:46 tenplus1 sweet :) which version, 16:04 ?? 16:46 Krock yes, LTS 16:46 * Krock is happy to know about "screenfetch" 16:47 tenplus1 installed the same yesterday on a new build... am disappointed with asus though, they'r making it harder on purpose to install Other Os' on their mobo's than Win10 16:49 * Jordach starts obliterating the steam library of unused games 16:49 tenplus1 heh 16:50 benrob0329 tenplus1: >Question, do you prefer longer videos with heavy amounts of editing, or shorter videos released more often? 16:50 Jordach 90GB of 2TB free -> 370GB free 16:51 Krock well great. freshly installed and 166 outdated packets 16:51 benrob0329 3 tb home partition ftw 16:51 benrob0329 Krock: that's release date ISOs for you 16:51 tenplus1 it all depends on the content benrob... 16:52 tenplus1 16.04.3 is out and .4 will be out shortly 16:52 tenplus1 to keep iso up to date 16:52 benrob0329 Krock: you didn't go for newest release? 16:52 Jordach 499 free 16:53 Jordach and R Y Z E N 16:53 Krock benrob0329, well, I used the newest LTS one 16:53 benrob0329 I mean that's a fair choice, its just too out of date for me :P 16:54 tenplus1 heh... am using 17.04 atm and prolyl 17.10 when beta out 16:59 benrob0329 I have a theory 16:59 benrob0329 AMD doesn't actually like open source things 17:00 benrob0329 But they are doing it in order to save themselves should Ryzen backfire 17:00 tenplus1 wait, arent they helping with the open-source ati drivers though ? 17:00 benrob0329 Yes 17:00 tenplus1 hi shiva 17:00 benrob0329 If all else fails, companies like Redhat might bail them out 17:01 benrob0329 Because of all the work they put into open source things 17:02 benrob0329 Its not that AMD actually cares, moreso that its their policy rn because of how fed up people are getting with Nvidia 17:02 Jordach ...and Intlel 17:02 benrob0329 Intel isn't bad 17:02 Jordach >$99 FOR RAID 17:02 Jordach >MUST USE INTEL DRIVES 17:03 Jordach :thinking: 17:03 benrob0329 Well yeah that is bad 17:03 tenplus1 in this day and age things like drivers should be open-source so that users can report bugs, apply fixes etc 17:03 benrob0329 Ok do Intel is making some bad decisions right now, they've been good in the past 17:03 benrob0329 *so 17:04 benrob0329 If they continue, then I feel like AMD will have struck gold 17:04 benrob0329 Being the only hardware manufacturer to work closely with free software 17:04 tenplus1 +100... amd are doing a good thing 17:05 tenplus1 wb DI3HARD139 17:05 benrob0329 But my theory is that its all just business 17:05 tenplus1 even so, because of amd's work with open-source, my next pc will be md 17:06 tenplus1 *amd 17:06 red-NaN ! natan 17:06 red-NaN !seen natan 17:06 ShadowBot red-NaN: I haven't seen natan in #minetest-hub. 17:06 Calinou simple reason for open source drivers: they work on live media, legally 17:06 red-NaN !seen nathan 17:06 ShadowBot red-NaN: I haven't seen nathan in #minetest-hub. 17:06 Calinou the only distro that bundles the proprietary NVIDIA driver on live media is Manjaro 17:06 Calinou and it's likely illegal to do so 17:06 DI3HARD139 ty 17:06 Calinou but they haven't gotten in trouble for this yet 17:06 tenplus1 doesnt mint do that also ? 17:06 Calinou no, it doesn't 17:06 Calinou contrarily to common belief 17:07 Calinou I mean, where the driver is used when running the live media itself 17:07 Calinou (useful when Nouveau outright crashes on laod) 17:07 Calinou load* 17:07 benrob0329 Vesa should work for installinh 17:07 tenplus1 yeah, noveau isnt too great 17:07 benrob0329 *installing 17:07 tenplus1 nvidia really need to help out in that area 17:07 * Jordach emptied nearly 1.2 TB of shit 17:08 benrob0329 But they wont, because of how nvidia works 17:08 tenplus1 oof 17:08 benrob0329 Nvidia's policy is to be the first and the only one to do sonething 17:08 Jordach AMD is making bank from console peasants anyways 17:08 Jordach AMD Jag cores :D 17:09 Calinou Vesa is limited to 1024x768 17:09 benrob0329 Buy Intel and amd he (my friend) says 17:09 Calinou no video/2D/3D acceleration whatsoever 17:09 Calinou thanks but no thanks... 17:09 Calinou sometimes you want to be able to browse the Web decently on live media 17:09 Calinou and it's not possible with Vesa 17:10 benrob0329 Meh, (e)Li/ynks(2) 17:11 tenplus1 ?? 17:11 tenplus1 wb nrz 17:11 benrob0329 tenplus1: links, elinks, and links2 17:11 benrob0329 And lynks 17:12 benrob0329 Or is it lynx 17:12 tenplus1 hehe, yeah I know that... just wondering why meh ?? whassup 17:12 nerzhul oty 17:12 benrob0329 >not possible to browse web on live media with vesa 17:12 benrob0329 W3m even has images 17:13 benrob0329 No JS though, you'll need elinks for that 17:13 benrob0329 But lynx has proper layout support 17:13 benrob0329 Why cant we have a good text based browser? 17:16 tenplus1 pah! 17:19 * tenplus1 is testing latest Quipzilla browser :) not bad 17:20 benrob0329 Extentions though 17:20 tenplus1 has built in adblocker and supports flash 17:20 tenplus1 what else you ya need :DDD 17:20 Calinou I wish Firefox removed that godawful title bar on Linux 17:20 benrob0329 Userstyles 17:20 Calinou they've done so on Windows already, for a long time 17:20 Calinou but on Linux you're just wasting vertical real estate compared to Chromium 17:20 benrob0329 Calinou: what title bar? 17:20 Calinou benrob0329: compare Firefox and Chromium on Linux 17:20 Calinou maximize both, see which one gives you the most space available for content 17:21 Calinou (vertically) 17:21 Calinou Chromium will *always* win right now 17:21 Calinou and not by a few pixels 17:21 Calinou more like a few dozen 17:21 benrob0329 You mean shrink the tab bar? 17:21 Calinou no, remove the title bar above 17:21 Calinou it's been like this on Windows since... 2011? 17:21 Calinou Chrome did this since... version 1? 17:21 Calinou (2008° 17:21 benrob0329 Window decorations built in? 17:22 benrob0329 I don't have any wondow decorations anyways :PP 17:22 benrob0329 *window 17:22 Calinou talking about non-tiling WMs here 17:22 benrob0329 Well you could turn them off for FF 17:22 benrob0329 Or install an addon 17:22 tenplus1 chromium has bookmarks toolbar whereas firefox has bookmarks button, so ff wins in real estate because of that 17:24 Calinou benrob0329: there is an add-on for that but it's broken 17:24 Calinou due to the nature of GTK+, and non-GNOME desktops, they cannot do it reliably everywhere 17:25 Calinou tenplus1: by default, the bookmarks toolbar does not appear all the time 17:25 Calinou you can set it to, but I suggest not doing that :P 17:25 tenplus1 if they had a bookmark button available without addon then it'd be fine... but I really dont like giong through menus for my links 17:52 Krock ^ seems to be angry 17:52 DS-minetest no, he always quits that 17:54 tenplus1 this may just be me, but... qupzilla seems a lot smoother and more responsive than chrome/firefix 17:58 Jordach >launches Tekken 7 18:04 tenplus1 hi bigfoot547 18:04 bigfoot547 Hey tenplus1 18:49 benrob0329 How I mow my lawn: https://youtu.be/nJqqgoG742Y 18:49 benrob0329 How I want to mow my lawn:https: //youtu.be/Iu_Q3AGBQUU 18:49 benrob0329 * https://youtu.be/Iu_Q3AGBQUU 18:50 bigfoot547 lol 19:03 IhrFussel Can someone tell me why this happens? http://ihrfussels-server.tk/mt.gif 19:04 tenplus1 what am I looking at ? 19:04 tenplus1 or looking for ? 19:04 IhrFussel Watch the wielded tool 19:04 tenplus1 it goes dark, ghotcha 19:04 IhrFussel Not only that, it prevents me from moving while it's black 19:05 Shara Never saw anything like it before. 19:08 IhrFussel It happens very randomly...I'm guessing it's about collision cause it does not happen when I walk against a wall for example 19:11 IhrFussel Should I file an issue? It already happened with 0.4.15-dev from May and I thought it was probably a bad PR 19:12 Shara I would 19:13 tenplus1 yeah 19:13 tenplus1 hi stormchaser 19:14 IhrFussel What should I name it? "Random bug with wielded item"? 19:15 tenplus1 "Wielditem shadow glitch" 19:19 garywhite hi everyone 19:19 tenplus1 hi gary 19:27 red-NaN IhrFussel, why is your server not listed as ihrfussels-server.tk on the server list? 19:30 IhrFussel Back in May 2016 when I created my server I didn't have that domain yet and I thought it would confuse the players now if I suddenly use a completely different address...I registered the domain in Feb I think 19:30 red-NaN oh ok then 19:31 red-NaN could you set the link to that? 19:31 red-NaN server_url 19:56 tenplus1 hi ka 19:56 tenplus1 hi kaeza 19:56 tenplus1 :P 19:56 kaeza hi te 19:56 kaeza :P 19:56 tenplus1 ehehehe 19:56 tenplus1 hows things ? 19:57 kaeza fine I guess. you? 19:57 tenplus1 not bad, testing new browser :D 19:58 kaeza which one? 19:58 tenplus1 Qupzilla 19:58 kaeza O.o 19:58 tenplus1 got the latest appimage and so far it's pretty darn good :P 19:59 kaeza another firefox fork? 19:59 tenplus1 Qt browser with built in adblock and a ton of settings to customize as ya like :) it's smoother than chrome here 19:59 tenplus1 https://qupzilla.com/ 19:59 kaeza oh I see 20:00 kaeza looks kinda nice 20:01 kaeza I like chrome-style minimalist interfaces 20:01 kaeza too bad chrome seems worse than FF now :/ 20:02 tenplus1 chrome has page rendering issues... firefox feels sluggish and both are memory hungry... qupzilla feels nice to use and has better html5 score than most browsers :D 20:04 nerzhul stormchaser3000, please test comment on #5937 20:06 stormchaser3000 nerzhul, ok 20:06 * stormchaser3000 git pulls 20:07 stormchaser3000 oh comment not commit 20:08 tenplus1 is it possible to disable CSM from server-side ? 20:09 benrob0329 Qutebrowser has vim-like keybindings 20:09 benrob0329 Also QT based 20:09 tenplus1 yup, is nice :P 20:09 red-NaN tenplus1, not yet 20:10 red-NaN tenplus1, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5930 20:10 tenplus1 I dont get why modern browsers need at least 500mb to simple run 20:11 rubenwardy because meh progress 20:12 tenplus1 it's kinda sad but I remember using a browser called Voyager on my ppc amiga at the time, it only needed 2mb in total to run and was pretty good... rendered pages well and didnt need half of the fluff we get now 20:17 tenplus1 ntie folks :P 21:19 Fixer VanessaE: are your trees decaying via AMB or via new system? 21:35 Fixer "Cannabis guard cattle, also called security cows" 21:35 Fixer wat? 21:51 Sokomine maybe they like to eat it 22:04 red-NaN well thats it, better arrest that cattle 22:28 * Fixer .oO(PART FISH @ PART GIRL @ I DON"T FIT YOUR WORLD) 22:41 Fixer We need distance meter mod in minetest 22:41 Fixer ruler or smth like that 22:51 Megaf sneaking in 22:52 Megaf Shara, =* 22:52 Fixer FUCK GITHUB 22:52 Megaf Why? 22:53 Fixer can;t attach images, strange error "content updated" crap 22:53 Megaf what browser? 22:53 red-NaN hi Megaf 22:54 Megaf hey red-NaN 22:54 Fixer firefox 22:54 Megaf red-NaN, hows thinga? 22:54 Megaf Fixer, you trying to report a bug or what? 22:54 red-NaN good 22:54 Fixer Megaf: trying comment on PR 22:55 Megaf red-NaN, it was pretty windy today, wasn't it? 22:55 Megaf weather was still good tho 22:55 red-NaN is it ever not windy? 22:55 Megaf red-NaN, it was pretty calm for the last weeks 22:55 red-NaN true 22:55 Megaf and apart from the last week it was even sunny 22:56 red-NaN it's better then during the winter time 22:56 Megaf eh, last winter warent too bad either 22:58 benrob0329 Hey Megaf 22:58 Megaf Fixer, at what point you get the error? 22:58 Megaf Does preview work? 22:58 Megaf hello benrob0329 22:58 benrob0329 Whats up? 23:00 Megaf Im pretty happy today, finally using my laptop again, its been several months already 23:00 Megaf so basically, I had broken its keyboard with liquid 23:00 Megaf today I finally bought an USB keyboard 23:00 benrob0329 Ah, usually liquid breaks mote than the keyboard 23:01 benrob0329 *more 23:01 benrob0329 Ive been working on projects n such 23:02 Megaf yep, it does. it passed the keyboard but stopped just beneath it, without dripping into the main board 23:02 red-NaN your lucky 23:03 red-NaN you're* 23:05 Megaf yep 23:05 Megaf and no 23:05 Megaf this is my Toshiba Satellite laptop 23:06 Megaf I liquid damaged my MacBook Pro too 23:06 Megaf a month or two after the Toshiba =/ 23:06 Megaf but the Mac I cant get to boot up properly 23:06 Megaf screen remains black, with some artifacts 23:07 Megaf Fixer, the error shows up when you click preview? 23:09 Megaf Fixer_, ^ 23:11 benrob0329 Megaf: had a Toshiba satellite, crappiest laptop ive ever owned 23:11 Megaf I must say this one is pretty decent 23:12 benrob0329 I suppose I had a budget model 23:12 Megaf not performance wise tho 23:12 Megaf benrob0329, I got the cheapest I could find 23:12 Megaf it was like 360 Euro 23:12 benrob0329 Performance is relative 23:12 benrob0329 Mine was $250 Usd 23:12 Megaf oh my 23:12 Megaf that's cheap 23:13 Megaf Intel Celeron? Pentium? 23:13 benrob0329 Pentium 2 I think, but I'd have to go look at its lifeless corpse 23:14 benrob0329 (doesn't boot anymore) 23:15 benrob0329 Made my early videos on it though 23:15 benrob0329 15 fps videos, and yet people watched them XD 23:17 benrob0329 Wb stormchaser3000 23:17 stormchaser3000 thanks 23:17 stormchaser3000 minetest seems to be crashing my DragonflyBSD installation 23:17 stormchaser3000 and i don't know what logfile to look in to find out why 23:18 benrob0329 /var/log/ something er other 23:20 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/fW3QkuL.png 23:24 benrob0329 >github is down 23:24 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw 23:26 garywhite GH is down officially now? 23:27 benrob0329 ATM at least 23:29 garywhite status.github.com MAJOR SERVICE OUTAGE as of 16:19 PDT 23:48 VanessaE ~tell Fixer moretrees uses the newer system, same as default trees. 23:48 ShadowBot VanessaE: O.K.