Time Nick Message 00:01 Jordach__ rubenwardy, hearthstone_well_played.png 00:01 Jordach__ dockerizing all the things is a silly idea 00:02 rubenwardy well, I need someone to manage all the stuff 00:02 rubenwardy *someway 00:02 rubenwardy docker works for web apps and NGINX 00:03 Jordach__ rubenwardy, just use github gists as your configs 00:03 Jordach__ :^) 00:04 Jordach__ i'm out for the night, leaving my laptop running fer chromecast 00:05 Fixer http://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/reunion.png 00:22 benrob0329 diegom: its not my script 0:-) 00:27 benrob0329 ｉｄ＀ｎｅｅｄ＀ｔｏ＀ｆｏｒｋ＀ｉｔ 00:27 benrob0329 not that its broken on my client, i have proper unicode support :P 00:31 VanessaE "you can't drive a forklift!" "I can drive any forkin' thing around." 00:34 benrob0329 lol 00:34 benrob0329 using vim keys to switch and manage windows is really nice 00:35 VanessaE oh for G*d sakes, talk about misreading that 00:35 VanessaE I read that as "id need a forklift" 00:36 VaultyTowers oh my 00:36 NathanS21 I read it as the same Vanessa 00:36 NathanS21 but I do drive forklifts 'professionally' 00:37 VanessaE I haven't driven one in... 25 years? 00:37 VanessaE pretty sure I still remember it though 00:37 NathanS21 just remember not to turn your blinkers on when you want to shift gears in the car.... 00:37 VanessaE hm, well over 20 anyway 00:37 VanessaE heh 00:38 NathanS21 I can't count the number of times I've done that after getting out of work. LOL 00:39 benrob0329 reversed controls i take it? 00:40 NathanS21 on the forklift there is a lever on the left of the steering column 00:40 NathanS21 make that right 00:40 NathanS21 right of the column 00:40 NathanS21 right where the wiper controls are in most cars 00:41 NathanS21 Almost drove into a light pole once because of that 00:41 NathanS21 put the car into drive, with the shifter, but should have been going in reverse to pull out 00:41 NathanS21 I started moving forwards and flicked my wipers on 00:43 benrob0329 i feel like that is a safty hazard... 00:43 VanessaE the one I drove, if I remember right, had all of the controls/levers on a separate console to one side 00:43 VanessaE (save for the gas/brake) 00:43 NathanS21 the controls are completely different from a car, save for the pedals 00:44 NathanS21 you've got controls to move the forks, side to side, up and down, and tilt 00:44 NathanS21 if the truck has side to side 00:44 NathanS21 usually not an issue 00:44 VanessaE this one did, yeah 00:44 VanessaE tilt, shift, raise/lower, and the electric reach truck had a ..well.. reach feature also 00:45 VanessaE (there were two that I drove commonly there) 00:45 VanessaE (that one was a piece of crap though. had a half a ton battery "pack" that could barely last half an hour of continuous light use) 00:46 NathanS21 sounds like a new battery would have been a good investment for the company 00:48 NathanS21 Everything I currently drive is propane, so no issues there. :) 01:12 VanessaE yeah, we all complained about it 01:12 VanessaE they were too cheap to replace it 01:19 Megaf Sneaking in 01:19 Megaf Testing SwiftKey keyboard too in the tumb mode layout 01:19 * Shara pounces on the tiger 01:19 Shara Hi Megaf 01:19 benrob0329 hi Megaf 01:20 Megaf Hi everybody. It is great seeing you 01:20 Megaf Specially now that I haven't been joining much lately 01:20 Megaf How are things? 01:21 Shara Sleepy 01:22 Megaf Hehe 01:22 Megaf I will not be sleeping tonight 01:22 Shara I'm trying to get a study project submitted so... who knows if I will either 01:23 Megaf I have been sleep late and waking up late too. So will stay awake to try to reset myself 01:26 Shara Good luck 01:39 Megaf I gotta find a cheap yet decent USB keyboard 01:39 benrob0329 Megaf: currently trying to teach a friend how to edit videos 01:39 benrob0329 also trying out AwesomeWM 01:39 Megaf You sir, do you feel pleasure in suffering? 01:40 Megaf I was pretty happy with gnome 3 01:41 Megaf At least in usability 01:41 Megaf Lots of room for improvement performance wise 01:43 Megaf Any news from the old gentleman that codes? 01:44 * Megaf awkwardly looks at Shara 01:44 Shara There are logs. 01:45 Megaf Will take that as a yes then 01:45 Shara Not sure what else to say :( 01:46 * Megaf is a computerless person now 01:51 Megaf Very sad, isn't it? 01:51 Shara How'd that happen? 01:53 Megaf Water on the keyboard happened 01:54 VaultyLappy anyone who wants to watch any tv show Download Kodi 01:54 VaultyLappy and install the exodus add-on 03:24 diegom benrob0329, http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/ff00/index.htm 03:25 diegom "U+FF00 is not a valid unicode character." 03:25 diegom so your script is still broken :P 03:30 diegom well, your client, rather 04:26 octacian Night all :D 04:27 octacian Unless I decide to come back before morning :rotfl: 07:43 Calinou hi 07:43 Calinou rubenwardy: I could use Docker now that I have a KVM-based VPS (instead of OpenVZ) but I don't, I don't see the need 07:43 Calinou I did set up systemd services for game servers and the like, at least, I used to just start them in screens but that was a hack 07:44 Calinou (this means I can't control them from their ncurses interfaces though, but it does not really matter) 08:27 red-002 could someone voice IhrFussel ? 08:27 red-002 !list 08:27 ShadowBot red-002: Admin, Aka, Anonymous, BanNotify, Brainfuck, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Ctcp, DDG, Debug, DerplangPlus, Dict, Filter, FloodProtector, Format, Games, GitHub, Karma, Later, Logger, Math, MessageParser, Minetest, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Reply, Scheduler, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, Util, (1 more message) 08:27 red-002 !help aka 08:27 ShadowBot red-002: Error: There is no command "aka". However, "Aka" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Aka'. 08:28 red-002 !help Aka 08:28 ShadowBot red-002: Error: There is no command "aka". However, "Aka" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Aka'. 08:28 red-002 !help Anonymous 08:28 ShadowBot red-002: Error: There is no command "anonymous". However, "Anonymous" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Anonymous'. 08:32 red-002 I guess no ops are online then 08:50 Calinou hmm, https://github.com/desktop/desktop 08:50 Calinou the official GitHub app rewrite is open source? :o 08:50 Calinou (it used to be a native app, now they're moving to something Electron-based) 08:51 Calinou although there doesn't seem to be Linux support, and official builds have a restrictive EULA 08:55 lumidify Has anyone here used https://www.scaleway.com/? 08:56 Calinou there's ongoing work, https://github.com/desktop/desktop/issues/1525 08:57 Calinou nope, not me 09:00 Shara Morning all 09:00 Calinou hi 09:13 Shara Hi Zeno` 09:21 red-002 hey Zeno` can IhrFussel have voice? 09:22 red-002 hi all 09:22 nerzhul it's 50$ 09:22 Shara red-002: I already gave him it a while back? 09:22 red-002 Shara, he went offline 09:23 Shara Not according to what I see 09:23 red-002 oh nvm 09:23 red-002 I didn't notice 09:24 Shara Actually, just added him to list :) 09:25 red-002 ah so chanserv will be able to do it's thing now? 09:25 Shara Yup. 09:25 Shara I wish mransom would register his name :( 09:27 IhrFussel Hello and thanks again 09:27 Shara No problem :) 09:41 VaultyLappy i registered my name lol 09:42 Shara VaultyLappy: Added you to list 09:42 VaultyLappy thanks 09:42 VaultyLappy its as VaultBoy but i should be identified 09:43 Shara Yea, I added it as VaultBoy, so don't worry :) 09:50 VaultyLappy aight :P 09:54 * Jordach purrs 09:54 Jordach heading out shopping in london 09:55 Shara Jordach: Meow :) 09:55 Jordach removing my phones tether......now 09:55 Jordach meow, Shara 12:21 rubenwardy do you like GoT, nerzhul? 12:21 rubenwardy re: your host name 12:21 nerzhul heh 12:22 nerzhul it's my FreeBSD front server name 12:22 rubenwardy was just wondering if it was a GoT reference 12:24 nerzhul King's Landing it Iron Throne city 12:26 Fixer suddenly 12:44 nore nerzhul: iron throne is the French name :p, it's game of thrones or a song of ice and fire in English :) 12:46 red-003 ahh the good old "world's most uncomfortable chair" 12:47 Fixer two chairs.... 12:49 nerzhul nore, i talked about the throne itself not the book title :) 12:49 nore nerzhul: oh, okay :) 12:58 DS-minetest we need something like this http://wiki.minetest.net/Help:Installing_Mods for clientmods 13:13 nerzhul DS-minetest, without doubt, feel free to coontribute :) 13:17 red-003 DS-minetest, great idea 13:17 red-003 I was meaning to write something like that but I wasn't able to find the time 13:23 benrob0329 Calinou: I find it sad that a company that hosts the worlds code doesn't want to open source their desktop app 13:33 octacian Well, I had a totally great morning. Launch YT to check how the video I uploaded last night is doing, and I discover it was removed for "Inappropriate content" 13:35 octacian heh 13:39 DS-minetest hmm, instead of making a new topic called something like "installing clientmods", the installing mods site could include clientmods 13:40 DS-minetest (it also explains how to install modpacks) 13:42 Megaf Greetings everyone 13:42 Megaf Did I spam the channel earlier on? 13:43 Raven262 Greetings Megaf 13:49 benrob0329 Hi Megaf 13:49 benrob0329 octacian: wait what 13:49 octacian benrob0329: Yeah, ridiculous. That video you commented on was removed for being inappropriate 13:50 benrob0329 just....what??? 13:50 octacian Apparently it had "Inappropriate content" 13:51 octacian I'm like... WHAT!? If THAT is inappropriate, why do either pewdiepie OR LeafyIsHere still exist? 13:51 benrob0329 money 13:51 octacian They haven't always been that big though... And for most of them, they were no different when they were smaller 13:52 benrob0329 Although they seem to care less and less about creators 13:52 octacian Although the rules were also probably different then. 13:52 octacian Yeah 13:52 benrob0329 Youtube is becoming corporate, mind you 13:52 octacian Yeah 13:52 benrob0329 They now have "Youtube TV" n such 13:53 benrob0329 didn't mind YT red, giving creators sn extra boost for a show 13:53 benrob0329 But putting normal tv on youtube and pushing creators aside? 13:53 octacian Yeah, same 13:54 benrob0329 its sad because now the good channels that did receive money wont exactly leave 13:55 Fixer remember my words: DL good stuff of youtube, some day you will lose it all 13:56 octacian Well, there goes what was supposed to be a productive morning working on a subgame. Instead spent it reading all of YT's community guidlines.... 13:58 octacian Speaking of which though, would anyone be willing to give me a hand with my modified item drop? It has extra additions supporting movement with water, however, having an issue where items go through walls. If anybody is willing, let me know and I can give you line numbers. https://gist.github.com/octacian/8bd7f000dfb2748e6802ef6b151f33ea 14:00 behalebabo octacian: doesn't local new_pos = minetest.find_node_near(object:get_pos(), 1, "air") cause the item to teleport into any node, not just air? 14:01 behalebabo ok, thinking of other function 14:01 octacian No, just air. That's to move items out from inside nodes. However, before that is called, the item is moved inside the node by water flow 14:03 benrob0329 https://www.minds.com/ 14:03 benrob0329 Oh shoot! !! 14:03 behalebabo octacian: do they always go through walls? or is it only part of the time? 14:03 Megaf We should have a totally P2P encrypted network 14:03 Megaf Using DHT 14:04 Megaf Routed via onion 14:04 octacian All the time. If you test it out by putting some flowing water and a node at the end, the dropped item will go into the node at the end 14:04 * Megaf hides 14:04 behalebabo Megaf: what about I2P? 14:04 octacian What seems to happen, is the item sits there for a few moments just bouncing around in physical mode, then, the item switched to not physical for less than a second, goes into the node, and back to physical 14:05 octacian However, there is only one place in the code where the item is changed to non-physical, and even with that line commented out, it still happens 14:05 Megaf I'm not familiar with that term benrob0329 14:05 Megaf benrob0329: oh yeah 14:06 Megaf That's one of the solutions 14:06 Megaf I've seen others 14:06 Megaf But I'm happy with none 14:06 benrob0329 Megaf: its called a nicer way of saying oh $h!+ 14:06 benrob0329 Because I didn't feel like swearing 14:10 red-003 huh I think this channel has more people then the old one used to 14:23 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/ZJBCbvK.png 14:23 Fixer what are those people, servers full of them... multicraft? 14:24 Raven262 Who knows, there are more of them than there are ants on the planet 14:24 DS-minetest perhaps some alternative guest names 14:24 Raven262 I mean, i couldn't join Xanadu yesterday two times cause it was full, guess of what. 14:26 VanessaE rebooting my servers (clearing out the xban list) 14:27 VanessaE oops, wrong channel 14:33 octacian benrob0329: heh, On the plus side, YT just removed the strike and brought the video back up :D 14:35 benrob0329 octacian: -_- 14:37 Megaf benrob0329: I'm connected to i2p 14:38 benrob0329 Megaf: i2p? 14:38 Megaf And joined thir channel at 127.0.0.1:6668 14:38 Megaf I mean 14:38 Megaf behalebabo: 14:38 Megaf :) 14:38 Megaf Sorry benrob0329 14:39 * Jordach just feels like shit 14:39 Jordach one MT client, potato laptop 14:39 Jordach what server 14:40 benrob0329 Subgames for all 14:40 Jordach uwotm8 14:41 red-backup wait what? 14:46 * Jordach looks at VanessaE's survival server 14:46 Jordach potato laptop vs that thing 14:54 Fixer i wonder if there are ways to ban android on server 14:55 Fixer not in VanessaE way 14:55 Fixer but more simple, elegant way 14:59 DS-minetest lol, VanessaE way is making the server so heavy to make it unplayable, right? 14:59 VanessaE er, no :P 14:59 Fixer yeah 14:59 VanessaE if android clients can't handle a heavy server, fix the clients :P 15:00 Fixer if only there was some neat bug or exploit that crashed just android clients while connecting to particular server :} 15:00 VanessaE (doesn't help much that android manufacturers skimp so badly on RAM) 15:02 benrob0329 Jordach: its a minigame server 15:02 benrob0329 Pretty good actually 15:03 IhrFussel Fixer, you're joking but there actually IS a way to make all 0.4.14 Android clients crash while connecting to a server: Display an error message while they try to connect 15:03 benrob0329 Lol 15:03 Fixer IhrFussel: just 0.4.14? 15:03 benrob0329 Wait, does that literally crash them? 15:04 IhrFussel Just 0.4.14 and yes the app will just close 15:04 Fixer nice 15:04 Fixer too bad it is 0.4.14 only 15:05 Jordach Fixer, most of the clones are .14 15:05 benrob0329 Feature check? 15:05 Jordach ;P 15:05 benrob0329 Kick older clients? 15:06 IhrFussel But we shouldn't treat the (few) people who actually use the official client as "bad" 15:06 Jordach this is why clients need to send an official header 15:07 Jordach like how tcp and HTTP sorts things 15:07 Jordach needs compat num: x 15:07 Jordach needs feature set: x 15:08 IhrFussel And you think the clone devs won't be able to fake it? 15:08 Jordach IhrFussel, making it more like a HTTP header solves things 15:08 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/iNXxPIF.png 15:08 Zeno` The clone devs should just update 15:09 Jordach unlikely 15:09 Jordach :^) 15:09 Jordach more interested in milking than updating 15:09 Zeno` Nothing to do with us then. They are free to update 15:10 Jordach Zeno`, just let the server run a -dev version and then use a texture modifier that doesn't exist on mobile clients 15:10 Jordach if they report that bug; ez ban 15:10 IhrFussel One of my players told me "I see all names as white" although I use namecolors...how old was that commit again? 2013/2014? 15:10 Zeno` Jordach, that's not in the spirit of open source 15:10 Fixer Jordach: lol, nice 15:10 Jordach Zeno`, then tell them to leave a shitty review on a "fork" 15:11 Zeno` and how can we do that anyway? The check would be open source so the clone could add it themselves 15:11 Jordach not my business to run servers for others 15:11 Fixer Zeno`: sometimes people want a server without android/moms/mams/dads/sisters/brothers/crying/yelling/woodenboxes/horrificboxes/etc/etc 15:11 Jordach but it's a solution to the problem 15:11 Jordach that Fixer has somewhat asked for 15:11 Zeno` But... there is no problem 15:11 Jordach protip Fixer: using [multiply:#00000 in a texture line will make those clients whine like dogs 15:11 Zeno` clones and forks are perfectly legit 15:12 Jordach doesn't even have to be a usable node 15:12 Jordach just one to exist will cause it 15:12 Zeno` Jordach, and how do we "hide" that? 15:12 Fixer Zeno`: it is not about clones, it was a about making server for #PCmasterrace people 15:12 Fixer Zeno`: that kicks out androiders :} 15:12 Zeno` Fixer, impossible 15:12 Jordach Zeno`, the node in registry will make the clients report it to that user 15:12 Jordach if they keep complaining 15:12 Jordach then tough shit 15:13 Jordach (an entity with that will also do it, spawn a cube underspawn with [multiply:#000000 also works 15:13 Zeno` Like it or not, minetest is FOSS 15:13 Jordach FOSS doesn't mean accomodating others 15:14 Zeno` Jordach, but we also can't do anything at all to block them 15:14 Fixer easy solution will be autokick of everything that has wordXXX %) 15:14 Fixer Zeno`: no need to block them 15:14 Jordach Fixer, maybe xban3 Kappa 15:14 Zeno` that's no a solution. The clone could implement the same @#&*@&#@* code 15:14 Fixer just make some android ghetto server for them %) 15:14 Jordach Zeno`, considering renaming the project is what they do 15:14 Jordach and not touching the shit we call networking 15:15 Jordach most pump and dump chinese clients don't bother with such 15:15 Zeno` Jordach, so they spoof the name when connecting 15:16 Jordach Zeno`, most of the clones can't be bothered to port it right 15:16 Jordach let alone change the mess of UDP networking 15:16 Zeno` There is NOTHING we can do about the clones. Clones are encouraged by the license in fact 15:16 Zeno` Jordach, so those ones won't work 15:17 Fixer Zeno`: i started discussion not about clones btw, it was about: is it possible to create server for PC users only, in some way not letting android/ios peasants :trollface: 15:17 Zeno` There is no issue here. If the clone complies with the license then *shrug* 15:17 Zeno` Fixer, as I said: Impossible 15:19 Fixer true englishman in sight! https://i.imgur.com/iie3uI4.png 15:20 Zeno` Fixer, or do you suggest that we abandon our open source roots and create a secret fork of the source code? 15:20 Zeno` (I don't even know if that's possible) 15:20 Fixer Zeno`: not that 15:21 Jordach Fixer, maybe registering a forum account then sending a pm to the server owner? 15:21 Fixer Jordach: my idea was hypothetical 15:22 Fixer or, on other hand, I'm android lover and want read that amazing mom/mum/dad/dud roleplay and want to create android ghetto server :} 15:24 Fixer and ban pc users from it $) 15:24 Fixer to save their minds 15:24 NathanS21 There are servers that require you to register on a website before they grant you any privs on the server 15:24 * benrob0329 slaps Fixer with his 4-5 year old Galaxy Tab 2, in the otterbox 15:24 * Fixer slaps benrob0329 with lenovo yoga 15:25 Zeno` NathanS21, and what does that achieve? The user registers using a PC and then uses an Android to play 15:25 Zeno` it's not as if using an Android to play offers any advantage 15:25 * benrob0329 slaps Fixer with his spare PC case 15:26 NathanS21 They could register with an Android device as well 15:26 * Fixer slaps benrob0329 with PC case from year 2001 15:26 NathanS21 it just cuts out on the name0000 users that join 15:26 NathanS21 as they can't do anything 15:26 NathanS21 and most of them won't bother creating an account 15:26 Fixer i have even more strange idea 15:26 * benrob0329 slaps Fixer with an old XP system 15:26 NathanS21 they'll just go to some other server where they can be annoying. 15:26 Fixer when somebody connect to server: scan him with nmap -> detect android -> ban :D 15:27 benrob0329 XD thats evil 15:27 benrob0329 I love it 15:27 Fixer show error: server is for adult PC users, with hidden automatic ban by IP 15:27 Sokomine Fixer: using android and strange roleplay are not the same. don't mix them up. there are capable android users out there 15:27 Fixer and by name 15:28 Fixer Sokomine: yeah, but what if you want to be elitist and have ProServer for ProPC ProUsers 15:29 Sokomine what for, fixer? if you don't want...problematic..users it's usually sufficient to have suitable server rules and perhaps some slight obstacles in gaining interact (like i.e. *reading* something) 15:30 Zeno` minetest is an open source engine 15:30 * Fixer thinking 15:30 Zeno` if someone wants to sell it for $60.00 a copy then they can do that 15:30 Sokomine players using anroid to connect = bad is just far too simple 15:30 Fixer PERFECT SOLUTION 15:30 Fixer : 15:30 Sokomine ah. just wanting to keep those strange clients out? 15:31 Fixer on login: show formspec asking to TAP something, then ban 15:31 Zeno` is someone wants to use the engine and NOT open source the "game" they can do that as well 15:31 Sokomine just point players to the official client :-) 15:31 Fixer thats not about clients/clones or whatever 15:32 Zeno` this is all just silly talk 15:32 Fixer ofc it is, since i can't host anything behind NAT :( 15:32 Wayward_One And what of the Android x86/Phoenix OS/Remix OS users? 15:33 Zeno` Wayward_One, they are obviously breaking the law! 15:33 Wayward_One :P 15:33 Fixer Wayward_One: three buttons on formspec: 1) Tap this to join game (bans user) 2) Press Scroll Lock 3) I'm glorious Linux user: answer how to exit vim 15:33 benrob0329 Fixer: last one is the easiest 15:34 Fixer actually 15:34 Wayward_One Lol nice 15:34 Fixer Press Scroll Lock and Print Screen to join the game... 15:34 Zeno` benrob0329, yeah. kill -9 it 15:34 Fixer b i n g o 15:34 Fixer i wonder if minetest detects scroll lock 15:34 Fixer yeah it does 15:34 Fixer perfect 15:35 benrob0329 Fixer: press Shift Alt Print O 15:35 Zeno` Fixer, how long do you think it would take me to make a patch to emulate scroll lock? 5 minutes? 15:35 Fixer glorious Emacs user 15:35 Sokomine just don't solve something with a technical solution that demands a social one 15:35 Sokomine it won't work 15:35 Fixer Zeno`: why would you? It is just someones modded server :) 15:36 Sokomine you need to have admins for that. real people who can think, read, understand. and even those will make errors in judgement 15:36 Fixer wait a second 15:36 benrob0329 I don't have a scroll lock -_- 15:36 Fixer Numpad can also be utilised :} 15:36 benrob0329 Stupid modern keyboards 15:37 Fixer but notebook users... 15:37 Zeno` Fixer, so official android releases are no good either? 15:37 Fixer Zeno`: this is not about official/nonofficial 15:37 benrob0329 Zeno`: not really, Minetesr on android is painful 15:37 Zeno` of course it's painful. So they're already at a disadvantage 15:38 Fixer Zeno`: say I decided to do server for PC users only :) thats what I mean 15:38 Zeno` Fixer, what's a PC? 15:38 benrob0329 Personal Computer 15:38 benrob0329 Desktop 15:38 Zeno` So my Amiga would be ok? 15:38 benrob0329 x86 15:39 Fixer Zeno`: if you port minetest to it - yes! 15:39 benrob0329 Zeno`: sure, if you can get Minetest to run on it 15:40 Zeno` err so what's an Android? 15:40 Fixer "Android is a mobile operating system developed by Google, based on the Linux kernel and designed primarily for touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets." 15:41 Fixer acc to wikipedia 15:41 Zeno` So, it's about the OS? 15:41 benrob0329 Its about playability 15:41 Fixer Zeno`: it is about user discrimination by platform %) 15:42 Zeno` I tend to think that minetest on Android is probably better than my Amiga 500 port 15:42 Fixer you can do amiga port, vanessa will do c64 one 15:42 VanessaE no. 15:42 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfUWbgLdSgE 15:42 VanessaE though recently someone did a Wolfenstein 3D port to C64+SuperCPU (16 MHz accelerator with max 16MB RAM)... so I suppose it's technically possible 15:44 Fixer https://66.media.tumblr.com/09d68ec9329b93b1b979e6e9e859f44b/tumblr_mj79as89bc1qh142io1_1280.png 15:44 Zeno` VanessaE, good luck porting irrlicht :D 15:44 VanessaE heh 15:44 VanessaE ain't gonna do it 15:46 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geq1nREkj2k 15:46 benrob0329 Good luck porting OpenGL 15:48 Sokomine benrob0329: it is painful. but it's also possible to connect a mouse and a keyboard to a phone. then it's pretty fine. better than extremly old notebooks with even poorer graphics 15:49 Sokomine :-) mt on a c64..hm...wasn't there a 2d version of this kind of voxel game somewhere? such a 2d version might to some degree run on a c64. but i never really used them 15:50 Zeno` VanessaE, you can use my vic-20 port as a basis if you want to 15:50 VanessaE I'll let the active c64 geeks do that :P 15:50 Sokomine :-) 15:51 Fixer ground breaking http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/16/article-0-1DE9561C00000578-255_634x588.jpg 15:51 Fixer http://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/xlarge_wm_brw/public/article_images/2015/09/lenovo-phab-1.jpg?itok=CNBfqq7c 15:56 Fixer o.O https://github.com/LuaJIT/LuaJIT/issues/331 16:00 Fixer xfce will be quite soon on gtk3, it is about time 16:00 Calinou benrob0329: GitHub *has* open sourced their new desktop app 16:00 Calinou it does not compile out of the box, though, this is likely a bug 16:00 Calinou it's also not available for Linux yet but it might happen in a few months 16:01 Calinou https://github.com/desktop/desktop/blob/master/LICENSE 16:01 Calinou it's a bit limited right now but looks fancy 16:01 VanessaE Fixer: awh HELL no 16:01 Fixer VanessaE: hell yes 16:01 VanessaE leave my xfce just the way it ius! 16:01 VanessaE no, no way, hell no, and FUCK NO in that order 16:02 benrob0329 VanessaE: AwesomeMasterace : 16:02 VanessaE I'd sooner go back to AFTERSTEP than deal with gtk3-anything 16:02 benrob0329 :P 16:02 Fixer VanessaE: unfortunately the speed they are going, both gimp and xfce will be on gtk3 by the time gtk2/3 is dead 16:02 Fixer VanessaE: OPENSTEP 16:03 VanessaE no, come to think of it, I think I'd go back to FVWM before I'll tolerate gtk3 16:03 Fixer VanessaE: just use openbox 16:04 VanessaE Fixer: where are you getting this from anyway? (gtk3 in xfce I mean) 16:04 Fixer "The first Gtk+3 release of xfce4-panel is out!" 16:04 Fixer VanessaE: it was known long ago that xfce will have GTK3 support, not sure if they will support GTK2 16:04 Calinou #OccupyGTK3 16:04 VanessaE *checks phoronix* 16:05 Fixer https://blog.alteroot.org/articles/2016-04-12/road-to-xfce-4.14.html 16:05 Fixer The bigger change for 4.14 is the port / upgrade to GTK+ 3.x. 16:05 VanessaE G*d help us 16:07 red-003 that must look quite confusing to LazyJ lol 16:08 LazyJ I just fired-up the computer. Coming into the middle of IRC conversations. 16:08 Calinou hi LazyJ 16:08 LazyJ Howdy Calinou ;) 16:08 Calinou Fixer: [insert KDE welcoming users here] 16:09 Calinou (RAM upgrade not included) 16:09 red-003 {insert greeting here}, LazyJ 16:09 VanessaE guess I'll just have to wait and see but every gtk3 app I've run into so far has been just plain shit. 16:10 VanessaE with the biggest regression being no menubar because random 16:10 Calinou this is why most modern Electron apps use their own menubar now 16:10 Calinou like this, https://desktop.github.com/ 16:10 Calinou they adhere to the Windows/macOS design guidelines the most they can, and it works well 16:11 Calinou however, adhering to GNOME/KDE guidelines is going to be a pain 16:11 VanessaE fuck your "guidelines" 16:11 VanessaE I want my desktop to stay exactly like it is 16:11 VanessaE (and no, no "spacebar heating" xkcd references here) 16:12 Calinou design guidelines are exactly what you want, I think 16:12 Calinou it's following the OS conventions 16:12 Calinou their blog mentions, for example, macOS having buttons named "Like This" and Windows "Like this" 16:12 Calinou (I never realized that before today, by the way) 16:12 VanessaE design guidelines is what gave us KDE4 when it wasn't ready for production use and 3.5 was nearly perfect. 16:12 VanessaE those same guidelines gave us gnome 3/unity 16:12 VanessaE i.e. tablet motif on the desktop 16:12 VanessaE == FAIL 16:13 * Jordach screeches autistically 16:13 VanessaE sorry but I'm just plain sick of change-for-the-sake-of-change. 16:13 Calinou anyway, I'm happy with Plasma 5 so far 16:13 Jordach mobile crap is a giant fucking meme 16:14 Calinou the defaults are not very sane, though 16:14 Jordach have you tried pro apps on a tablet> 16:14 Calinou but once you change many settings, it's quite good 16:15 Jordach >many settings 16:15 Jordach nice fucking meme 16:15 Jordach some people want it out of the box and not pages of nano to go through 16:15 Jordach i might just pick up a nice 128gb SSD for my laptop and some extra RAM 16:16 Jordach and then go install KDE 16:16 Jordach tl;dr the desktop isn't a fucking tablet, ever 16:16 VanessaE exactly. 16:16 Jordach "but muh convertibles" 16:16 Jordach go install windows 10 for that 16:17 VanessaE it. just. doesn't. work. 16:17 Jordach (i use windows as a desktop gaming machine specifically, the laptop, not so much) 16:17 Jordach VanessaE, i'm finding modern devs so retarded 16:17 Jordach not realising that they're no longer adhering to the UNIX philosophy 16:18 VanessaE so many modern "devs" are just hipsters who got their hands on compilers before the learned the history of user experience and familiarity. 16:18 Calinou Jordach: well, the settings I talked about are all done in a GUI 16:18 Calinou so, no nano is involved 16:18 Jordach Calinou, might as well be knowing Linux 16:18 Calinou also, sadly, battery life on my laptop is far better on Windows 10 than on Manjaro :( 16:18 Calinou I used it for 3h30 this afternoon, still 50% battery (it had ~90% when starting) 16:19 Calinou this is not remotely possible on Manjaro 16:19 Fuchs if only there was a technology to create adaptive desktop UIs :( 16:19 Calinou the display also feels smoother (because Xorg was never made to handle 4K displays) 16:19 Fuchs oh, wait, qml and kirigami, nevermind. 16:19 Calinou Fuchs: Qt can do that, but nobody really does it 16:19 Jordach Calinou, hmmmm, FOSS devs generally have to "good" of a system spec, e.g. high end laptops like Razer or Asus 16:19 Fuchs Calinou: I was kidding (I did some minor qml development, so I am aware of it) 16:19 Calinou I was about to post that here, http://dengine.net/blog/2017/05/the-road-to-mobile/ 16:19 Calinou but in general, that source port has a responsive UI and it's all made in Qt 16:19 Fuchs Calinou: I think we'll be having a sprint this year at Randa 16:19 Calinou Jordach: eh, not exactly true IMO 16:20 Calinou most FOSS devs are poor 16:20 Calinou it's a true meme 16:20 Calinou none of them are rolling in money, the ones who do that all work for proprietary software companies all day 16:20 Fixer VanessaE: no menubar because tiny widescreen crap with 1366*768 16:20 VanessaE no menu bar because fuck users. :P 16:20 * Jordach likes the old win9x style GUI 16:20 Fixer i remember 1024*768... that was like pre2000 resolution, seriously 16:21 * benrob0329 likes tiling window managers 16:21 Fixer VanessaE: it is taking up valuable vertical space!111 16:21 Fixer because 768px 16:21 VanessaE windows with close buttons, menu bars, a taskbar/panel at the bottom, and a "quick launcher" section (for me, that's a second panel at the top), auto-hiding enabled. 16:21 VanessaE hence, auto-hide 16:22 VanessaE two pixels at the bottom is not a significant amount of screen space, even to a C64., 16:22 Fixer spacebar heating intensifies 16:22 Jordach my laptop is that resolution, Fixer; no complaints here 16:23 Fixer Jordach: my condolescens 16:23 Fixer es 16:23 Jordach Fixer, don;t worry, my 2560x1080 ultrawide waits for me tomorrow 16:23 VanessaE no no no and no..... if I wanted a tablet-style interface I'd use gnome3 or buy a tablet. if I wanted an OS-X-style interface I'd buy a fucking Mac. 16:23 VanessaE leave my desktop style alone 16:24 Fixer VanessaE: not all gtk3 programs are crappified gnome way 16:24 Jordach >using GNOME as a guideline since the fuck up known as release GNOME3 16:24 Fuchs most are, because Gnome people working on GTK3 love to break the API in minor releases just so things work for Gnome 16:24 Fuchs which means, for third parties, usually either follow Gnome, or sooner or later be broken 16:25 Calinou global menu bar is nice, but it forces you to have a dock of some kind, like macOS or Unity 16:25 Calinou vertical real estate is precious today 16:25 Calinou (why do you think Firefox is losing users, especially on Linux?) 16:25 Calinou (it wastes so much vertical space) 16:25 Fixer eh, in 200X i was quite entusiastic about linux DEs... after GNOME3/KDE4/Win8/10 debacle I'm not sure anymore :} 16:25 Jordach Fixer, people want Win95 style simplicity 16:26 Calinou I'm not sure 16:26 Jordach modern shit is over-developed and far too complex for basic tasks 16:26 Calinou plenty of people *do* praise modern UIs, including me 16:26 Calinou I don't regret the 95/98/XP era 16:26 Calinou while KDE does have a lot of classic desktop elements, it also brings some new things to the table 16:27 Calinou (same for Windows 10, actually…) 16:27 Fixer on my desktop firefox has 175px for name, menu + weather + bookmarks + 3 rows of tabs... because 5:4 :} 16:27 Calinou I'm also not convinced that modern software is "over-developed" 16:27 Jordach Calinou, bullshit 16:27 Calinou you could argue that AAA games have useless, "over-developed" features 16:27 Fixer it is underdeveloped 16:27 Calinou "I could see 3D in Quake, so why do I need TressFX?" 16:27 benrob0329 Also, Jordach: nano is for normies 16:27 Jordach benrob0329, but at least its easily usable unlike vi 16:28 Fixer Jordach: +1000 16:28 benrob0329 Jordach: vi is for neckbeards 16:28 Fixer Jordach: when I seen 3.11 and W95, 95 was ground breaking 16:28 Fixer not just because newer 16:28 Jordach Fixer, because it made sense 16:28 benrob0329 Vim is where its at 16:28 Jordach now everythings like gotta be flatter than me mum's titsa 16:28 Jordach -a 16:28 Fixer Jordach: yep 16:28 benrob0329 I mean my gosh, vim is one of the easiest programs to learn 16:28 Jordach tablets and phones ruined UX design 16:29 benrob0329 It has a built in tutorial for gosh sake 16:29 Fixer Jordach: yep 16:29 Calinou https://micro-editor.github.io/ :P 16:29 Jordach depth is something humans use to judge distance 16:29 Calinou there's not much point in using nano once you start using micro 16:29 Jordach it also applies to UI 16:29 Calinou I finally got my muscle memory to type "micro" instead of "nano" now 16:30 Fixer Calinou: lol 16:30 Jordach Fixer, for the same reasons is why i use a 1989 era Walkman as my music player of choice 16:30 Fixer Calinou: wait a second ^^^^^ a modern and intuitive terminal-based text editor **** github.io **** 16:30 Jordach Calinou, and looks like every other fucking sublime clone ever made 16:30 Fixer Jordach: not really the same 16:30 Jordach gtfo 16:31 Jordach lemme open Atom, Brackets, VS2015, N++ 16:31 Jordach oh wait, they look and function identically 16:31 Fixer Jordach: still, people were hyped for new windows interface back then, now people are horrified on what new SHIT microsoft (almost wrote minetest) puts in UI again 16:32 Jordach Fixer, what ain't broke; don't fix 16:32 Shara Hi PsychoVision 16:32 Jordach Fixer, my walkman plays a tape front to back without a single complaint 16:32 Jordach if my phone loses internet for a second it autistically screeches 16:32 benrob0329 Jordach: exactly, use vim. 16:32 Calinou Jordach: the default theme is Monokai indeed; in fact, I contributed that one last year 16:32 Jordach benrob0329, nano is straight forward 16:32 Calinou it looks good, approximates well to 256-color (for non-truecolor terminals) 16:32 benrob0329 Jordach: vim is powerful 16:32 Calinou and is familiar to users 16:33 Jordach powerful != useful 16:33 Calinou most users are fine with it, which is not the case of eg. solarized 16:33 Fixer Jordach: i don't even have internet on my Android 2.2... phone, now thats autistic 16:33 Calinou solarized is pretty opinionated 16:33 benrob0329 Calinou: does is support plugins? 16:33 benrob0329 Marcos? 16:33 Calinou plugins, yes 16:33 Calinou macros/snippets, not sure 16:33 Fixer i use wifi only very rarely 16:33 PsychoVision Hello Shara :D 16:33 Calinou anyway, this is a CLI editor for quick editing or editing over SSH 16:33 Calinou for actual development, use Visual Studio Code or an IDE 16:33 Fixer Calinou: just use nano 16:33 PsychoVision Lots o People here 16:33 benrob0329 Can it compile in under a minute? 16:33 Calinou likely; but official Windows/macOS/Linux/BSD binaries are available… 16:33 Calinou and they work on all distros 16:34 Jordach benrob0329, on what processor, benchmarks do not apply 16:34 Calinou https://github.com/zyedidia/micro/releases 16:34 Calinou even ARM Linux is available 16:34 Shara PsychoVision: Yup. It's getting busy. 16:34 Jordach >doing heavyweight programming on an ePI 16:34 Fixer Jordach: if you don't break UI every release - how you gonna sell it? :} 16:34 Calinou it's got a new release 2 days ago :) 16:34 Jordach Fixer, by creating security patches that work properly? 16:34 Shara Most of them don't bite though. 16:34 Fixer Jordach: fuck that.... nobody will pay for that :} 16:35 Fixer Jordach: apart from few corps 16:35 Shara though Fixer might, from some of the faces he pulls :) 16:35 Fixer Jordach: rememba that security fix that breaked printing for millions? 16:36 benrob0329 Calinou: one last question 16:36 benrob0329 Can I use vim keys? 16:36 Fixer XP/7 interface was managable, but 8 Metro thing was debucle, 8.1 was introduced to lessen anal pains, and 10 was bulled to the head 16:37 Calinou benrob0329: nope 16:37 Fixer r.i.p. 16:37 Fixer not just UI 16:37 Fixer MS went full Google 16:37 benrob0329 Calinou: then it's useless to me 16:37 Fixer now thats maximum evil 16:37 Jordach Fixer, it's why my tower at home runs literally nothing but games 16:38 Calinou do you call it the Gaben's Den? 16:38 Calinou ;) 16:39 Jordach Calinou, >plays BF1 and OW frequently 16:39 Jordach uh no 16:40 Jordach i don't even play Valve games at all 16:42 Fixer in earlier windows time you had some control over OS, but now things changed 16:42 Fixer you still have control 16:42 Fixer but MS gained so much more 16:42 Fixer you can't even shutdown telemetry to full extend 16:44 benrob0329 Windows is designed around the idea that the user should know as little about the systen as possible. 16:44 Fixer benrob0329: thats Ios 16:44 Fixer windows is not the worst case 16:45 benrob0329 its getting close. 16:45 Fixer it is more like one apple, one os, one furher 16:45 Fixer benrob0329: yeah it does 16:45 Fixer win 10 ui is mess, google for some ui analysis, for example menus 16:48 Fixer or that forced win7 to win10 upgrade that created worldwide crying 16:49 VaultyTowers anyone need help installing Kodi on Ubuntu just ask 16:49 VaultyTowers kodi + Exodus 16:53 Jordach that's called git gud, m8 17:06 Jordach sfan5, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBAZtPCXgAAYKtz.jpg:large 17:07 Krock deserves a place in MTB 17:09 Jordach Fixer, i'm tempted to make a "Technic lite" mod 17:10 Jordach hyper simplicity 17:12 DS-minetest Jordach: the worst problem with technic is that it uses meta 17:12 sfan5 fluffy kitty 17:12 Jordach DS-minetest, i'm thinking of a mesecon style method 17:12 DS-minetest when that is changed, technic won't be that laggy anymore 17:13 sfan5 Krock: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/commit/382e7cb15bd2064fc4aee47c3f85b3173fd2a507 17:13 Krock \o/ 17:13 Jordach sfan5, https://twitter.com/HaddockStinker 17:14 DS-minetest Jordach: i think, HybridDog has started something already something 17:14 Jordach DS-minetest, i'd prefer doing it myself 17:14 DS-minetest yep, just that you know more 17:17 Jordach i want to do it in a way that looks good 17:18 * Jordach is thinking electrical victorian 17:28 Fixer DS-minetest: there is PR that should easy the pain for technic users 17:28 * Fixer pokes Krock 17:29 Krock o.0 17:29 Fixer Send only changed node metadata to clients instead of whole mapblock @ Server / Client / Env. One approval / Performance / Protocol bump @ #5268 opened on 18 Feb by SmallJoker / https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5268 17:30 Krock *looks* 17:30 Krock hmm.. appears to have some conficts 17:30 Fixer nerzhul added to Feature PR in Minetest 0.5 6 days ago 17:31 Krock that's good :) no? 17:31 Fixer *suspicious* 17:32 DS-minetest Fixer: yeah, but the server still has too much lag 17:33 DS-minetest using meta makes no sense 17:33 Krock Fixer, what's so suspicious about it? 17:34 Fixer Krock: just rebase it after 0.4.16 release and move it in :} 17:34 Fixer DS-minetest: why no sense? 17:35 DS-minetest Fixer: because meta shouldn't be used for such stuff 17:35 DS-minetest in technic it's called very very often 17:35 Fixer DS-minetest: but what is alternative? 17:36 DS-minetest make a new system, that doesn't use meta too much 17:36 DS-minetest i cant be too specific now 17:36 Krock Fixer, yes sure. We'll have to see what's going to happen first: protocol changes or this feature 17:36 Krock these two plans collide, that's why it may not be patched into Minetest right after the new version released 17:39 Jordach a y y l m a o 17:41 DS-minetest Fixer: eg. it could look like this https://github.com/HybridDog/technic/blob/hversion/technic/machines/register/solar_array_new.lua 17:56 nerzhul this PR has bugs 17:57 nerzhul it's incomplete, i remember when RBA wrote it, we discussed together 18:09 Krock it has been improved over the time and there's not much original code (1:1 taken) left. 18:12 VaultyTowers sup lisac 18:12 VaultyTowers I started a war 18:12 Jordach :thinking: 18:12 VaultyTowers lisac_, ^^ 18:13 VaultyTowers PM me what troop you want in your CC 18:13 lisac_ Hi VaultyTowers. 18:13 lisac_ lol okay 18:13 Raven262 War you say? 18:13 VaultyTowers Clash of clans 18:14 * lisac > Amorphis - Death of a King - [ Under the Red Cloud #5 ] - [ 02:32 / 05:14 ] 18:14 Raven262 And thats how the war started, both sides found themselves fighting for whatever cause. 18:14 Raven262 And killing each other cause whatever. 18:14 VaultyTowers both benefit 18:15 VaultyTowers lisac, I gave you a valkery and 4 lvl 4 wizards 18:16 Raven262 Heh, i thought you were talking about OC's things. 18:16 lisac nice :) 18:16 lisac I just logged in after several days of inactivity 18:16 lisac got goons now 18:17 VaultyTowers need normal troops just ask 18:17 VaultyTowers I got several pekkas ready 18:17 lisac sure :) 18:17 lisac I need just 6 more stars on the Goblins 18:17 lisac to take all 150 18:17 VaultyTowers lol I got all 150 18:18 lisac Yeah, but I'm not such a hardcore player 18:18 * lisac > Amorphis - Under the Red Cloud - [ Under the Red Cloud #1 ] - [ 00:05 / 05:33 ] 18:18 * lisac is playing on Clementine: [ 00:07 / 05:33 ] "Under the Red Cloud" by "Amorphis" (track #1 of album "Under the Red Cloud") | MP3 | 44100 Hz | 320 kbps 18:19 Raven262 Hello lisac, did we meet each other? 18:19 Raven262 Like ever? 18:19 Raven262 Cause i doubt it. 18:19 lisac hey look at this http://armory.twinstar.cz/character-sheet.xml?r=Kronos&cn=Wordsofpower 18:20 lisac Hi Raven262. 18:21 nore ehm you know that you both have the same IP, right? 18:21 Raven262 nore, we are joking. 18:21 nore Raven262: I was not sure :) 18:22 Raven262 xD 18:22 Raven262 I found this mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17654 18:22 * nore is used to people in the same room using irc to talk anyway 18:23 Krock !title 18:23 ShadowBot BTW - BETTER THAN WOOL - MOD - Minetest Forums 18:23 Raven262 So i had to correct a few things in the last comment 18:23 Raven262 :D 18:23 Raven262 Really, nore? 18:23 nore Raven262: yes. 18:23 red-002 lol 18:24 Raven262 I thought lisac an I are the only two persons who are in the same room, yet talking over irc. 18:24 lisac Raven262, https://media.giphy.com/media/G6NaboPT6q3za/giphy.gif 18:24 nore (well it's useful if you want to talk to other people at the same time, but then you get carried over and talk even though you're all in the same room) 18:24 lisac that's because I don't like talking to you, Raven. 18:24 Raven262 Yes, basically. 18:24 Raven262 That too. 18:24 nore also, especially useful during lectures 18:24 benrob0329 If we had a conference, we'd still talk over irc 18:25 nore you can talk and the teacher is not noticing, they think you are taking notes :) 18:25 benrob0329 The whole presentation would be in ascii art 18:25 Raven262 :O 18:25 lisac nore, Yeah, but don't forget to look the teacher in the eye a few times 18:25 lisac just to pretend you are listening 18:25 nore lisac: oh but I'm listening at the same time 18:25 Raven262 They have computers and stuff in their schools, lisac. 18:25 benrob0329 lisac: nono, then you get asked questions 18:25 nore doing both things at once :) 18:26 benrob0329 Jusr don't smile randomly 18:26 benrob0329 Then all bets are off 18:26 Raven262 xD 18:26 lisac benrob0329, There is a skill of answering questions you don't know answers to. 18:26 lumidify benrob0329: write the presentation in markdown and share that. 18:26 lumidify #MarkdownFTW 18:26 Raven262 Hello lumidify 18:26 lumidify Hi Raven262 18:27 * Raven262 sends lumidify a lumidified hello. 18:27 Raven262 What does lumidify mean actually? 18:27 Raven262 Is it a name? 18:27 benrob0329 lumidify: no, write it in latex :^) 18:27 benrob0329 Honestly though, latex looks really powerful 18:27 lumidify Nah, markdown is really nice and simple 18:28 lumidify Although I write all my papers in LaTex 18:28 * nore still needs to meet someone who writes their papers with markdown 18:28 benrob0329 markdown is nice for in chat text 18:29 benrob0329 Latex is nice for when you need to write a paper/presentation 18:29 benrob0329 Afaik anyways 18:29 lumidify I would write my papers in markdown if there was an easy way to do MLA :P 18:29 nore (LaTeX is very useful for papers and presentations (beamer ftw)) 18:29 nore MLA? 18:29 lumidify Hmm, I could write the body in markdown and then use pandoc to convert it to LaTex 18:29 benrob0329 Asciidoc looks nice too 18:29 lumidify https://www.mla.org/ 18:30 nore hmmm 18:30 benrob0329 Perhaps we should make a standard for MT documentation 18:30 nore well when doing math or CS, having to write papers without a way to write nice formulas is quite impossible :) 18:30 lumidify pandoc is really nice because I can convert everyone's stupid formats to LaTex 18:31 lumidify http://pandoc.org/ 18:31 benrob0329 Right now we have text in engine, markdown in mods, and mediawiki for the wiki 18:31 lumidify Yeah, markdown really could only be used for the most simple papers 18:32 * benrob0329 bookmarks pandoc 18:37 benrob0329 We should force everyone to use LaTeX, and then make the docs available to everyone via Html, pdf etc 18:37 benrob0329 Actually, that'd be an interesting way to run a wiki 18:38 lumidify Well, I think for docs markdown is good enough 18:38 benrob0329 Have a git repo that compiles to htmk 18:38 benrob0329 *html 18:38 lumidify LaTex has a fairly large overhead compared to markdown 18:38 benrob0329 Yes, but is far more powerful 18:39 lumidify "Use the right tool for the job." 18:39 lumidify It would probably be overkill 18:39 benrob0329 Id much rather learn the more flexible tool than get stuck 'cause I took a shortcut 18:39 lumidify Yes, but why the extra complexity when you don't need it? 18:40 benrob0329 Because its like a multitool 18:40 benrob0329 you'll necer need it, until you do 18:40 benrob0329 And then you'll NEED it 18:40 lumidify Yes, but will you ever need the full power of LaTex for fairly simple documentation? 18:41 benrob0329 Do you ever need the full power of anything? 18:41 red-002 but can you make a turning machine in LaTex? 18:41 lumidify It's not like you need to use Markdown for absolutely everything you ever do if you use it for one thing. 18:41 lumidify You could still use LaTex for papers/more complicated stuff but do documentation in something simple like Markdown. 18:41 benrob0329 yes, but then you need two setups 18:42 benrob0329 One for latex, and one for markdown, unless its on a wiki or something 18:42 benrob0329 But then your not really using markdown anyways 18:43 lumidify I just don't think using LaTex for something as simple as most documentation is warranted because it is less human readable than markdown. 18:43 lumidify Don't get me wrong, I love LaTex, but for simple applications I like to use simple tools. 18:44 benrob0329 I didn't say it was practical, just interesting :-) 18:44 benrob0329 I donr write wikis or websites 18:44 benrob0329 So neither are really a use case 18:44 lumidify Yeah, it would be interesting, just maybe overkill 18:46 benrob0329 Who knows, being able to easily embed a presentation into your website which inherits from some backend function overriding all css could be usefull for something 18:46 benrob0329 Idk what though 18:46 lumidify Meh, I use lynx anyways, it doesn't care about CSS. 18:47 benrob0329 elinks supports ecma 18:47 lumidify #LynxFTW 18:47 lumidify But I have to be able to tell people that I use the oldest browser currently still in development. 18:47 benrob0329 Links2 has a Framebuffer mode 18:48 benrob0329 And w3m has in terminal images 18:48 lumidify I don't think it's bad that lynx doesn't support CSS or images, it makes everything so much cleaner. 18:48 lumidify Images are opened in an external viewer when I go to them. 18:48 benrob0329 Also, I don't know that any of them are still being developed 18:49 lumidify Gopher is so much better than the web anyways. 18:49 lumidify Lynx is still being developed. 18:49 benrob0329 Needs proper layouts 18:49 lumidify gopher://lumidify.ig42.org/ 18:49 lumidify Lynx also supports gopher natively :) 18:49 benrob0329 Many webpages are nearly unusable in lynx 18:50 lumidify You can download Lord of the Test over gopher! 18:50 lumidify gopher://lumidify.ig42.org/1/lott/ 18:50 * Krock grabs gopher addon 18:53 * benrob0329 wonders what browser would support that on mobile 19:11 tenplus1 hi folks 19:12 Jordach ayy 19:12 tenplus1 hi Jordach :P 19:13 Jordach :thinking: 19:13 tenplus1 about ? 19:18 Jordach a better replacement for an already existing idea for SP 19:21 tenplus1 sp? 19:21 Jordach Solar Plains 19:21 Jordach thinking about a degree of automation 19:21 tenplus1 ahh... gotcha :P acronyms confuse me :P 19:28 tenplus1 hi gary 19:28 garywhite hi ten 19:29 Raven262 Greetings, tenplus1. 19:29 tenplus1 hi raven :D 19:29 Raven262 I was playing on Xanadu yesterday, made a mushroom house 19:30 Raven262 I like mushrooms 19:30 tenplus1 ncie one :) we got an udpate ready to go for tonight 19:31 * Jordach is working on new cool stuff 19:36 * Calinou set up a ttrss instance 19:36 Calinou works well 19:36 tenplus1 it seems we have a hacked client out there able to dig up cloud nodes on server 19:37 Calinou if anticheat is on, that shouldn't be possible 19:37 Calinou but since disabling anticheat disables even the checks that should never have false positives… :( 19:38 tenplus1 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-cus0GoX95qA/WSx4DQWl-xI/AAAAAAAADyg/9FjYU57whHUDNP5qCoqNkvEu4K3Gjmb5QCL0B/h900/6895818338944823733%253Faccount_id%253D1 19:38 tenplus1 they dug up the LB arena, floor was all cloud block 19:39 garywhite Geez, how did that happen, & also, did you run a rollback check? 19:41 tenplus1 rollback disabled 20:03 Fixer Calinou: rss is power, rss is life 20:03 Calinou now I can read Phoronix with less trolls! 20:03 Calinou :D 20:04 Fixer Calinou: less trolls? Where do you see trolls on phoronix? o_O 20:04 tenplus1 +1 for phoronix :p 20:04 Calinou Fixer: in comments :P 20:04 Calinou the forums, that is 20:04 Fixer oh, it has comments 20:04 Fixer never looked into them 20:04 Fixer comments = cancer 20:04 Fixer everywhere 20:05 Fuchs I honestly can't recommend phoronix, the comments are full of trolls, and the "articleS" are poorly up to not at all recherched and auto-crawled by various mailing list and repo crawlers 20:05 Fuchs we had to correct them multiple times for spreading downright wrong information 20:05 Fuchs well, "them", it's basically a one man show 20:06 tenplus1 hi Fixer, hi Fuchs 20:06 Fuchs hi :) 20:12 Calinou Fuchs: however, Phoronix is the only site that does Linux hardware benchmarks 20:12 Calinou (real one, not "I got a new laptop from 2013, I'll benchmark it, lol") 20:13 Fuchs I'm not sure if that really warrants the rest, but that's personal preference :) 20:13 Calinou it gives Linux exposure to enthusiasts, so we need a site like that 20:14 Fixer Calinou: his benchmarks lack one thing - conclusions page 20:18 Calinou full-featured benchmarks do have a conclusion page 20:18 Calinou but it's not great 20:21 tenplus1 nite folks 20:31 Fixer 20:41 Fixer need to rework this insanity https://i.imgur.com/AyqXHxc.png 20:42 Fixer changed windows 20:42 Fixer need to rework that middle ugly horizontal thing 20:43 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/gG2lB8b.png 21:13 Jordach Fixer, https://gist.github.com/Jordach/f66af33cc01f60da2e9fa790f7d85f22 21:14 red-002 ? 21:16 Fixer red-002: ! 21:16 * red-002 is still confused 21:17 red-002 ??! 21:17 Fixer red-002: happens in minetest chat sometimes 21:18 red-002 oh I only saw 21:18 red-002 but that was via the IRC mod 21:18 red-002 not in-game 21:24 NathanS21 Is there no way to change the size of the players inventory? 21:24 NathanS21 Everything I can find is just the formspecs 21:24 NathanS21 which makes fewer slots show, but does nothing to the actual inventory capacity 21:25 NathanS21 so even when all slots are filled I can still pick up items. 21:26 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1522 21:27 Jordach list[current_player;main;0,3.5;8,4;] 21:27 Jordach change the 8,4;] part to whatever 21:27 Jordach 8x4 inv slots 21:27 NathanS21 I have it set as 8x3 21:27 Jordach it's in the goddamn manual ;) 21:27 Jordach NathanS21, it has to be on join 21:27 NathanS21 but I can still pick up eight extra items 21:28 NathanS21 unfortunately I can't see them in inventory, because there are no slots to display them in. 21:29 NathanS21 It's almost as if it's hardcoded someplace that the player can carry 32 stacks 21:29 NathanS21 but I can't even find that code in the engine. 21:30 red-002 constants.h? 21:30 NathanS21 hmm, didn't look at that at all 21:30 Jordach https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia/blob/f245dfdd9ebad63a4f0d3f2cf04739b12747f0e6/mods/backpack/init.lua#L24 21:31 Jordach NathanS21, git gud 21:31 red-002 it's one of those werid hardcoded things iirc 21:31 Jordach red-002, *wrong* 21:31 red-002 like max health/breath 21:31 Jordach Pilzadam did it years ago 21:31 NathanS21 hmm, I'll try that out 21:32 Jordach NathanS21, https://github.com/PilzAdam/nodetopia/blob/f245dfdd9ebad63a4f0d3f2cf04739b12747f0e6/mods/backpack/init.lua#L42 21:32 NathanS21 not sure where I'll put the code in 21:32 Jordach you need that line to change how many slots the inv "main" has 21:32 NathanS21 ya, line 53 looks like what I need 21:32 Jordach remember, that's in total slots 21:33 NathanS21 yes 21:33 NathanS21 not unfamiliar with creating UIs and inventories, just couldn't figure out how to change the players. 21:33 NathanS21 I'm writing a subgame from scratch, and want to change the players inventory 21:34 NathanS21 more reasons for people to craft a backpack. 21:35 NathanS21 that worked, just put it in the on joinplayer code for the 3d player model 21:35 NathanS21 thanks! 21:35 Jordach NathanS21, i re-did the fecking main menu into a proper menu, not a tabbed ui 21:35 Jordach (alright, it's a prototype that works) 21:36 NathanS21 I don't think I've seen that 21:38 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=268254#p268254 21:38 NathanS21 not bad, though that green does seem a little bright 21:39 NathanS21 is that something texture packs could change? 21:39 Jordach base/pack 21:39 Jordach like every other MT component 21:39 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/9XQvQw6.png 21:39 Jordach Fixer, a y y l m ao 21:40 Jordach +0x20 21:40 NathanS21 cool 21:41 kaeza oi limão 21:41 kaeza Fixer, outdated client? 21:41 Jordach tfw jordach.net cert is busted until tomorrow 21:41 Fixer no idea 21:41 kaeza I've seen that happen on SN's server 21:41 Jordach i can;t fix it since root is locked out 21:41 kaeza well, from IRC anyway 21:41 Jordach and that digitalocean's root panel is also locked out through ssh key usage 21:42 Jordach tfw rekt 21:42 Jordach adding a new key to root does not work either 21:42 kaeza Jordach, rm -fr 21:42 kaeza +/ 21:42 Jordach kaeza, cant do fuck all 21:42 kaeza Jordach, worked once IIRC 21:42 kaeza <_< 21:42 Jordach NathanS21, http://i.imgur.com/9xRosJr.png 21:43 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/AylBkEr.png 21:43 Jordach i've braved sapier tier Lua shit 21:43 kaeza LOL 21:43 kaeza "sapier tier" :D 21:43 Jordach all to produce a fucking proper mainmenu 21:43 Jordach but fun fact 21:44 Jordach fstk was not modified except one line: to remove that grey formspec bg 21:44 Fixer Jordach: now do PR to merge this in 0.5 21:44 Jordach Fixer, out of date, needs rebase like fuck 21:44 Jordach i'll see what git pull does to it on a copy 21:44 Fixer oh that LCD ghosting.... 21:45 NathanS21 Jordach, not bad, not bad. 21:45 Jordach kaeza, if i figured out the black magic sapier used, then there's no stopping me tearing the engine apart for realtime lighting 21:49 Jordach judging by https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/menu_lua_api.txt 21:49 Jordach it may even be possible to re-write the whole damn thing 21:50 Jordach yeeee[p 21:50 Jordach shits doable 21:50 Jordach probably may do a better job, Kappa 21:51 kaeza ｄｏ　ｉｔ 21:51 kaeza nao 21:52 * Fixer thinks https://i.imgur.com/xO1whR4.png 21:52 Jordach dir_delim is useless to Lua specificallh 21:53 Jordach -h +y 21:53 Fixer kaeza: nice fonts 21:53 Jordach because it translates / to \ on windows and other systems 21:53 kaeza Fixer, wut 21:53 Fixer kaeza: ｄｏ　ｉｔ 21:53 * Jordach can't read that 21:53 Jordach fucking useless laptop and hexchat 21:53 kaeza Jordach, hexchat? 21:53 kaeza lel 21:54 kaeza hexchat's rendering is shit 21:54 Jordach kaeza, doesn't render at all 21:54 Jordach top kek 21:55 kaeza Jordach, http://i.imgur.com/uIElQHt.png 21:55 Jordach i'll probably sketch out a new UI 21:55 Jordach and then retire FSTK for good 21:56 Jordach it's all metatable bollocks that can be re-written 21:56 Jordach plus the offical minetest android build gets a fix 21:56 kaeza Jordach, Fixer, https://gist.github.com/kaeza/c906bd55a129223c5ae71ea0da79bbd5 21:56 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/GOX1ICK.png 21:57 Jordach holy shit wtf 21:57 Jordach >firefox on 5200rpm disk 21:57 Jordach >15 sec to start 21:57 Fixer Jordach: lololol 21:57 Jordach >chrome 21:57 Fixer Jordach: true 21:57 Jordach >instant 21:57 Jordach wat 21:57 Fixer Jordach: be fair, chrome was just installed? 21:57 Jordach Fixer, ancient install, like ff 21:57 Jordach on windows 21:57 Jordach chrome beating firefox round the head with a giant purple dildo 21:58 Fixer my firefox starts >10 sec for a good reason, 6000 bookmarks, about 10 addons... 21:58 Fixer first start is long 21:58 Fixer next one is fast 21:58 Jordach Fixer, my ssd makes loading chrome literally instant 21:58 Jordach i see no delay even at 75hz 21:59 red-002 kaeza: ｄｏ　ｉｔ 22:03 red-002 https://pastebin.com/zZm4xXhW 22:04 red-002 someones ban might need to be reinstated 22:04 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/yQCj6IE.png 22:06 Fixer kids love coloured clay 22:07 Fixer now i understand why MC introduced many kinds of doors 22:08 Sokomine coloured clay is great! it's a very nice material for building 22:08 Fixer as well as minetest 22:08 Sokomine and doors are good as well 22:45 red-002 hey can bigfoot547 have voice? 22:46 Shara Hi bigfoot547 22:47 VaultyTowers anyone know how to get a free VPN for linux? 22:47 bigfoot547 Hey Shara. Thanks red-002 :) 22:47 red-002 VaultyTowers, VPN's don't tend to care what OS you use 22:48 VaultyTowers fine does anyone know any free ones period XD 22:53 red-002 and thats why you register with chanserv 22:53 red-002 nickserv* 22:53 red-002 *serv* 22:53 rubenwardy bigfoot547, /msg NickServ register username email 22:57 red-002 s/username/password ? 22:58 benrob0329 red-002: yes 23:18 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/cPHKV2l.png 23:19 benrob0329 >4:3 23:19 benrob0329 kek 23:27 Fixer benrob0329: 5:4 23:28 Hijiri Jordach: it doesn't look like your system allows for machines with multiple outputs being output in different directions from a machine, is that intended? It doesn't actually describe what extractor pipes do, but it looks like it's implying one output inventory 23:29 Jordach Hijiri, the pipes allow non top and bottom faces irregardless 23:29 Jordach refresh it, there's a few new things that add some factorio like complexity 23:29 Hijiri I opened it a moment ago 23:29 Hijiri Jordach: I mean for example a recipe produces ice cream and water buckets, and those get output from different sides 23:30 Jordach Hijiri, it'll extract in sequence 23:30 Hijiri so it would all go out the same side? 23:30 Jordach yes 23:30 Hijiri ok, so it can't be output from different sides, then 23:30 Jordach Modded MC spoilt me with intelligent sides and routing 23:31 Jordach using a London Underground stop system is unique 23:31 Jordach plus they have to be pulsed by a power source 23:31 Hijiri I guess so, don't know if that means it's better though 23:31 Jordach Hijiri, IRL conveyors are like that 23:31 Hijiri IRL machines don't take one node 23:32 Jordach obviously ;) 23:32 Jordach i wanted a proper balance between the two 23:32 Jordach basic automation features 23:32 Hijiri If you had a centrifuge for example it wouldn't make sense to output them from the same outlet 23:32 Jordach and some difficulty rather than *cough* AE2 23:32 Jordach Hijiri, as MT doesn't do multiblocks juuuuuust yet (other than the Technic reactor) 23:33 Jordach i'm staving off of them for simplicity 23:33 Hijiri MT doesn't need to do it, I'm convinced you could make a multiblock structure library in pure modding currently 23:33 Jordach Hijiri, considering factories are multiblock structures ;) 23:33 Hijiri multiblock machines 23:33 Jordach same difference 23:34 Jordach most of them have a simple i/o 23:34 Jordach (eg, two chests) 23:34 Hijiri I can describe the entire thing if we want to be pedantic 23:34 Jordach you could 23:34 Jordach but notice most of the auto-sorting stupidity is missing 23:34 Jordach i may also do some sort of JABBA like for those who want to neatly display things 23:35 Hijiri What does auto-sorting being missing have to do with this? 23:35 Hijiri the multiblock stuff 23:35 Hijiri not the side output stuff 23:35 Jordach i'm not a fan of multiblocks 23:36 Jordach 23:36 Jordach immersive engineering looks nice 23:36 Jordach horrible to do 23:36 Hijiri by "do" you mean use as a player right 23:36 Jordach yes 23:36 Hijiri ok 23:36 Jordach i've played lots of modded MC on a few servers 23:36 Hijiri I guess if that's a personal preference 23:37 Hijiri I thought you were implying that you would do them if you could do it easily, since you blamed MT not supporting them well 23:37 Jordach it's because MT has a monster of a desync issue 23:37 Hijiri Is that a problem for multiblocks? 23:37 Jordach my chest experiment showed that it struggles with communicating states to a single object, let alone 3^3 23:38 Hijiri by object you mean node? 23:38 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/GIaDSkv.png 23:38 Hijiri Or are you saying each node would be an entity? 23:38 Jordach either or 23:39 Jordach it's doable as both 23:39 benrob0329 what if every entity was a node :^) 23:39 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/sQ4B8eK.png 23:39 Hijiri I imagine you would have 3x3 invisible nodes and just an entity / node in the center that was big enough to display the whole thing 23:39 Hijiri 3x3x3 23:39 Hijiri or whatever size your thing is 23:40 Jordach https://youtu.be/JHfmoG4MUIQ 23:40 Hijiri multiblocks don't have to be animated 23:40 Hijiri animation and multiblock are orthogonal 23:40 Jordach Hijiri, remember, active and inactive states still need to be sent to clients 23:41 Jordach even locally that had inane levels of latency 23:41 Hijiri If you're updating one node / entity then what's the difference with single node machines? 23:41 Jordach CSM might help 23:41 benrob0329 nodes need animation 23:41 Jordach ^ 23:41 Jordach wielditem custom models wen 23:41 benrob0329 thatd solve a lot of out problems 23:41 Hijiri Jordach: Okay, but it's still no different that working with a single node 23:41 benrob0329 *out 23:41 Hijiri than* 23:41 benrob0329 *our 23:41 Jordach Hijiri the problem is latency 23:42 Jordach you don;t know how bad it is for some servers 23:42 Hijiri Why is it a bigger problem with a multiblock 23:42 Hijiri You're still only updating one node / entity 23:42 benrob0329 if nodes had entity like animation, and states, you could set the animation based on the state 23:42 benrob0329 same with texture etc 23:42 Jordach benrob0329, i'd love nodes in the form of a state machine 23:42 Hijiri benrob0329: and you would still need to send states 23:42 Jordach Hijiri, sending the changing states is a problem 23:42 benrob0329 Hijiri: so? sending a 1 or a 2 isnt hard 23:43 Hijiri benrob0329: right, and neither is sending an animation index 23:43 Jordach Hijiri, i'd advise you to stand in a pipeworks factory ;) 23:43 benrob0329 1,30,5 state 3 23:43 Hijiri Jordach: I still don't see why the problem is worse with a multiblock than a single node machine 23:43 Hijiri (because you still haven't explained it) 23:43 benrob0329 Hijiri: think about it this way 23:43 benrob0329 you have a chest 23:43 benrob0329 and you have to have two states anyways 23:44 Jordach Hijiri, because a multiblock might be misloaded, a node missing (MT doesn't check for those automatically) 23:44 benrob0329 one for open, one for close 23:44 Hijiri Jordach: Only the "main" node has to be loaded 23:44 Fixer Jordach: could this help in any way? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5702 23:44 Hijiri The other nodes are just there so that if you dig them it undoes the whole structure 23:45 benrob0329 having to manage changing states (with callbacks, youll need to copy meta manually, without youll need to make the node do a thing on a timer) is a huge pain 23:45 benrob0329 trust me when i say its a huge pain 23:45 Jordach Fixer, *orgasm* 23:45 benrob0329 i made a mod that had 10+ states on a node 23:45 Hijiri Jordach: You only need one node to provide visuals, processing things, etc., the rest of the nodes can just display the "main" node's formspec and remove the structure on_destruxt 23:45 Jordach Hijiri, Tile Entities mostly make it straight forward 23:46 Hijiri Jordach: sure, but there aren't great problems with implementing such a library in MT 23:46 Hijiri including desync problems 23:46 Jordach Hijiri, https://github.com/Jordach/big_freaking_dig/blob/master/mods/deco/init.lua#L917 23:46 benrob0329 each state could only overide certain aspects of the node 23:46 Jordach look at the shit i had to do to make a chest lid swing open and shut 23:46 Hijiri For one node 23:47 Hijiri the problem will be the same with a multiblock or one node 23:47 Jordach Hijiri, depending on things, that might have even more animations 23:47 Jordach eg, processing, smelting, grinding etc 23:47 Hijiri But not because it was a multiblock, only because it is a machine 23:47 Jordach which is a bitch to do 23:47 benrob0329 Hijiri: it would be far less caotic for one node + states 23:47 Hijiri Jordach: Why do multiblocks need to have multiple animations when a single node machine only needs one? 23:47 Hijiri or two 23:48 Jordach Hijiri, because a multiblock may do multiple things 23:48 Jordach (factorization and magneticcraft speak to me( 23:48 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/HzyguHR.png 23:48 Hijiri They don't need to though 23:48 Jordach ask anyone who's played a game in the last 30 years 23:48 benrob0329 multinode: redifine every spect of the node 20 times, make a nice meta-copying function that calls node callbacks, make sure that each node returns to base state or else everything will go horribly wrong 23:48 Jordach even the smallest shit has an animation 23:48 Hijiri The only game in the last 30 years with multiblocks is minecraft 23:49 Jordach Hijiri, tile entities make that a fucking breeze 23:49 Jordach they are not a block 23:49 Jordach nor an entity in the MT way 23:49 benrob0329 ok hold on for a minute 23:49 Hijiri They could be implemented with an entity + other stuff, ignoring the entity component stuff MC has going on 23:49 Jordach MT cannot do it properly since there's too many hoops to jump through 23:49 benrob0329 Hijiri: why would yo not want node states? 23:49 Hijiri You can jump through the hoops 23:49 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/Y60aFFx.png need to think more about this floor transition, it bothers me 23:50 Jordach at the cost of being a tech demo 23:50 Hijiri benrob0329: I'm saying it wouldn't solve the desync problem if you had to send each state 23:50 Hijiri benrob0329: It could be good for other reasons 23:50 Jordach i'm opinionated because i've seen it's trash 23:50 benrob0329 each state is a lot less intensive than a new friggen node 23:50 Jordach theres no point in doing it 23:50 Jordach Minetest isn't "dynamic" in the slightest 23:50 Hijiri Jordach: So I'm guessing all your single node machines are going to be animated? 23:51 Jordach Hijiri, fuck that 23:51 Jordach i'm not made of dev time 23:51 Hijiri Okay, then why does a multiblock have to be animated? 23:51 Jordach Hijiri, because users cannot tell if it works or not 23:51 Hijiri Jordach: do you mean if it's put together properly 23:51 Jordach yes and no 23:52 Jordach you need states to identify what it's doing 23:52 benrob0329 Hijiri: ignore the horid code style and look at this 23:52 benrob0329 https://github.com/benrob0329/tardis/blob/master/demat.lua 23:52 Hijiri Jordach: Are you talking about multiple functions again? 23:52 benrob0329 there are 12 node def in that file 23:52 Hijiri Why not just have single-function machines like IE? 23:52 benrob0329 12! 23:52 Hijiri benrob0329: I wouldn't consider implementing animations like that 23:52 Jordach Hijiri, entities cannot be semi-transparent 23:53 benrob0329 a node state that redefines the texture and timer would make that a breeze 23:53 Jordach protip 23:53 Hijiri Jordach: oh right 23:53 Jordach it's alpha or no alpha 23:53 benrob0329 reduce the amount of code by..90%? 23:53 Hijiri benrob0329: So what about supporting node animations though? 23:53 Jordach no middle ground, just the high ground...it's OVER ANAKIN 23:53 benrob0329 Hijiri: thatd be incredibly usefull 23:53 benrob0329 doors could have some life to them 23:53 Jordach how about wielditem custom meshes as well 23:54 Jordach benrob0329, see masalis doors please 23:54 Fixer malasis 23:54 Fixer or molasis 23:54 Fixer molasis had crash with optifine, but now it is fixed 23:54 Jordach Hijiri, MC modders won't touch MT because it's not fecking flexible enough to do some cool shit 23:55 Jordach that includes multiblocks 23:55 Fixer multiblocks? you mean cheasel & bits? 23:55 Hijiri I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool to support multiblocks, but I'm saying you could still get a lot of functionality through mod land 23:55 Hijiri If you wanted that functionality 23:56 benrob0329 node/entity/item states + animaiton + texture override + dynamic textures = win for all 23:56 Jordach Hijiri, multiblocks are used just to look cool half of the time 23:56 Jordach i'd rather be nice and cubic 23:57 Jordach everything in solar plains is 1/16 23:57 Hijiri Well if it's just about your preference, this conversation seems pointless since you wouldn't use multiblocks even if they were supported as an API 23:58 Jordach big massive machines that look nice but are an arse to work with vs a small block with plenty of i/o 23:58 benrob0329 I would use states and/or multiblocks 23:59 benrob0329 tbh i stopped work atm on that tardis mod because i need to convert it to an api, and with the amount of ndoes defines... 23:59 benrob0329 yeah 23:59 Jordach i also dislike the tanks as seen in the core engine 23:59 Jordach framed glass looks like shit 23:59 Jordach Minecraft as a game on it;s own proves that MT needs work