Time Nick Message 00:49 rubenwardy garywhite: garywhite1 ? 00:50 garywhite Hmm? 00:50 rubenwardy there's another user called garywhite1, garywhite 00:50 garywhite oh, that's my bouncer that I can't connect 01:48 Hijiri Jordach__: RF isn't network based like technic right? 01:49 Hijiri with TE stuff at least 01:50 Hijiri IE stuff is cool, though I haven't used it much 01:50 Hijiri Last time I played I was trying out magic mods 02:09 benrob0329 Hello 02:10 Shara Hi benrob0329 :P 02:10 benrob0329 what's up Shara? 02:10 Shara I don't know why I'm not asleep. 02:11 benrob0329 Heh 02:11 benrob0329 I'm trying to clean up my channel list atm 02:12 Shara But benrob, I'm sad with no you in my channel! :( 02:12 benrob0329 But I can't keep up with it anyways :-( 02:12 Shara Neither can I. 02:13 Shara That's part of the fun :P 06:56 Krock no 10+1 here... 06:56 Krock o/ everyone 08:48 Zeno` I am a unicorn! 08:48 * Zeno` prances around the channel 08:49 Zeno` fear my unicorn skills! 08:50 Zeno` Like making myself look like nyan 08:50 * Zeno` jumps up and down 08:51 iamaunicorn weeeeeeeeeeeee 08:52 iamaunicorn brb, brushing my mane 08:54 iamaunicorn guess what 08:54 iamaunicorn I'm not really a unicorn :) 08:56 Raven262 Oo 08:57 Krock are you drunk again? (just wonder) 08:58 mylittlepony no 08:58 mylittlepony just in a good mood 08:58 Raven262 Of course not, eh? xD 08:58 mylittlepony is there anything wrong with being a pony? 08:58 Krock yes. things. 08:58 Raven262 No, nothing is wrong imo. 08:59 mylittlepony yeah, nothing wrong 09:00 mylittlepony this nick is no more absurd than "Zeno" 09:00 mylittlepony or "Krock" 09:00 mylittlepony or any other nick for that matter xD 09:00 mylittlepony I quite like it actually, it reminds me of rainbows 09:01 mylittlepony and lollipops 09:02 Raven262 And flamethrowers 09:02 celeron55 umm... 09:34 Shara Morning all. 09:34 Shara I see we acquired a pony. 09:34 red-arch indeed 09:34 * red-arch wonders who is still on #minetest-project 09:48 DS-minetest mmm, lasange 09:48 * Krock wants 09:50 DS-minetest oh oh looks like the pony will be eaten by a krock 09:54 shivajiva Hi mylittlepony, all skinny and bony o/ 09:56 shivajiva *boney damn :P 10:02 Raven262 Greetings, Shara. 10:12 Shara Hello Raven262 10:12 red-arch hi all 10:13 Raven262 Hello red-arch 10:15 Raven262 Spam complete, |RC, enjoy. 10:15 Raven262 xD 10:15 Raven262 Hello red-001 10:18 Calinou VaultyTowers: to be frank, I don't care much about gameplay-changing mods in Minecraft 10:19 Calinou what I use in Minecraft 1.11.2 is mostly VoxelMap (because not having a minimap sucks) and OptiFine (to have more graphics settings, mostly) 10:20 VaultyTowers reis minimap 10:20 VaultyTowers Vanilla sucks 10:20 Calinou is Rei's Minimap still maintained? 10:20 Calinou VoxelMap has a lot of good features anyway 10:20 VaultyTowers dunno 10:34 mylittlepony Krock'o'dial! 10:56 cx384 hi all 10:58 Raven262 Hello cx384 10:58 Krock hi cx384 11:08 nerzhul hi all 11:08 nerzhul Krock, if you get time can you review #5839 bugfix please ? 11:08 nerzhul https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5839 11:09 Krock sure. *grabs patch* 11:11 Krock lol, this moment when the debug build will be done after the release one. fast compiling but from scratch vs incremental but slow 11:15 Krock well, it works .. but "core::stringw"? Is that another irrlicht-special? 12:28 nerzhul it's in irrlicht yes 12:28 nerzhul Krock, sorry for to be late :p 12:39 rubenwardy Hi all! 12:40 Raven262 Hello rubenwardy 12:45 Krock hi rubenwardy, octacian 12:45 octacian hey Krock 14:11 Shara Okay, since someone, who I will not name, has called my loyalty into question, I'm stating the following, in public, with no hint of an off anywhere. 14:12 Shara I do NOT support what OldCoder is doing. 14:12 VaultyLappy ^ 14:14 red-001 I wonder what is he doing now 14:15 benrob0329 Morning all 14:16 red-001 well if no-one pays any attention to him he will just be screaming into the void 14:16 shivajiva ^^ 14:16 Shara Yes, and I wish I had not needed to type that, but I'm sick of being doubted. 14:16 VaultyLappy saaaaame here 14:16 shivajiva hi benrob o/ 14:17 * benrob0329 clears through OldCoder rubble 14:17 benrob0329 Hi 14:17 Shara I don't want any kind of confrontation with OC, or with anyone else for that matter. But I do support the people here and do care a great deal about MT getting over this. 14:17 benrob0329 ^ 14:18 red-001 the best we can do is ignore him and let him be forgotten 14:18 VaultyLappy red-001, he's mocking you on his website or atleast making fun of you still 14:18 red-001 so? 14:18 benrob0329 https://itsfoss.com/openra-command-conquer/ 14:19 red-001 if he is isolated from the community then no-one that I care for will see that site 14:19 Zeno` red-001, you are named in his latest "blogs" 14:19 red-001 if someone read them could you give me a tl;dr? 14:19 red-001 I uninstalled tor and the site to too large for web archivers/screenshoters 14:20 red-001 can't be bothered to find an unblocked proxy 14:20 Zeno` tl;dr he calls you daniel and states that you DDOSed his server 14:21 VaultyLappy red-001, UltraSurf 14:21 red-001 well if he thinks that he is welcome to tell the authorities, I trust he has reasonable proof 14:21 Zeno` tl;dr he is going to send a letter to your parents (ROFLOL) 14:21 red-001 oh thats fun 14:22 red-001 don't worry they are used to crazy people (I have a few in my family) 14:22 Zeno` He's insane for sure (yep, I'm not using [off]) 14:22 red-001 being crazy is his modus operandi 14:23 VaultyLappy ooooooooooooo a shrine 14:23 * benrob0329 gets buried in OC rubble again 14:24 Zeno` I encourage anyone who has been threatened by him to contact their local authorities (seriously) 14:24 * red-001 askes the UN to send peacekeeping troops to the minetest civil war 14:24 red-001 Zeno`, I would but I have IRL stuff I need to handle right now 14:25 octacian Seriously, OldCoder is plain weird, and maybe more. But couldn't we just settle with him? Last I heard he wasn't really asking for anything. 14:25 kaeza why should you? 14:25 octacian It's almost always the best way to go. 14:26 octacian It avoids huge amounts of trouble and frees your time for the things that are actually useful. 14:26 Shara octacian: Very serious question - after all that has happened, how? 14:26 kaeza ^ 14:26 Zeno` Trouble? What trouble? The authorities investigating him is no trouble to me 14:26 octacian IMO, OC could be trusted before. And I have yet to see much that could make one suggest he couldn't be trusted (aside from the other weird stuff found on his websites), he was simply defending himself in a, uh, different way. 14:27 shivajiva your suggesting a bully is welcomed with open arms.... 14:27 Shara I had a great deal of respect for him and very much dislike how things have gone, but I don't see a way to heal it. 14:27 Zeno` defending himself against what though?! 14:27 octacian Zeno`: Yes, but unless dealt with soon, this will cost the developers large amounts of time that could have been used to improve Minetest. 14:27 kaeza Shara, same here 14:27 benrob0329 A very, very, inappropriate way. 14:27 Zeno` There was no attack towards him 14:27 Zeno` So he had nothing to defend 14:28 red-001 he didn't just burn bridges, he bombed them 14:28 Shara I very much miss the person he was, but I don't have a time machine. 14:28 octacian Zeno`: From his perspective (this is what he's told me), you guys all turned on him. He reacted in a way that many people would have, he is just more capable than most to carry out what he says I mean, what did this start over? The sneak glitch? Really... 14:28 octacian shivajiva: Yes, that's what I'm suggesting :P 14:28 Zeno` It's already lost us at least one (maybe 2) core developers 14:28 benrob0329 Hi Jordach 14:28 Zeno` Nobody turned on him 14:28 kaeza octacian, read the logs 14:28 red-001 Zeno`, who quit? 14:29 sfan5 > He reacted in a way that many people would have, 14:29 sfan5 doxing is perfectly normal 14:29 sfan5 nothing to see here, move along 14:29 Zeno` red-001, I will not answer that question 14:29 sfan5 maybe if you would read what you typed you would realize how stupid it is 14:29 Sokomine anyone with some pathfinding experience present? 14:29 octacian heh, AFAIK he only provided names of those who had already had them public 14:30 red-001 if everyone reacted like that society would colaspe within a month 14:30 Zeno` doxing is illegal in every country on earth (AFAIK( 14:30 red-001 maybe two tops 14:30 Zeno` it's illegal in all the big countries anyway; no questions asked 14:30 octacian kaeza: Yes, I have seen some of the logs. And TBH, I don't like what OC is doing, but I don't think he is entirely in the wrong. 14:30 Shara It is not so much providing names of people who have already given their names, it's all the rest there. 14:30 Zeno` doxing is illegal in the US and most EU countries 14:30 octacian Zeno`: Yes, but most (if not all) of the names he provided had already given their names 14:31 red-001 he tried multiple times to get my real name 14:31 red-001 enough said 14:31 * benrob0329 looks for a way to change the subject 14:31 VaultyLappy for those Euro people who don't know what an SSN is, its an Americans Social Security Number which is given to birth its what helps you through the years 14:31 kaeza red-001, your real name is Nanaki 14:31 octacian True. 14:31 kaeza we all know 14:31 red-001 kaeza, wtf 14:31 red-001 how do you know? 14:31 Shara kaeza: Yay! SOmeone else thought that :) 14:32 VaultyLappy I think only shiva knows my real name lol 14:32 sfan5 octacian: doxing is not primarily about revealing hidden information, it's primarily about collecting possibly public but strayed information in a single place to ease targeting a person 14:32 Zeno` baseless and contrived accusations of child sex crimes are illegal in EVERY country 14:32 octacian Seriously though, several of the people here really made OC feel as though everyone had turned on him, with the name calling, and other items - all over what I understand is a simple issue. 14:32 red-001 you can still dox a person even if you only look through public data 14:33 VaultyLappy i never called him names 14:33 VaultyLappy I just don't approve his approach to the issue that arised 14:33 Zeno` and, yet, that is what he has done 14:33 benrob0329 Most of us didn't. 14:33 Zeno` he did the same thing in 2005 14:33 red-001 I don't recall anyone calling him names 14:33 VaultyLappy hmm I do but elsewhere 14:33 VaultyLappy and privately 14:33 red-001 I do recall getting spammed by his alts because I questioned the party line 14:34 octacian Yes, I don't like his approach either. However, it seems as though that's the way he's used to dealing with things. Which is yet another reason why I'd IMO be best to just settle. 14:34 Zeno` he also said in 2005 that someone dead was still alive 14:34 Zeno` does any of this sound familar? 14:34 red-001 yes 14:34 benrob0329 what? Nooooo..... 14:34 red-001 huh which incident occured then? 14:34 red-001 the palemoon one occured in the paste few years 14:34 benrob0329 pale moon id assume 14:35 red-001 I think they said 8 months ago 14:35 octacian I could provide logs of people (including devs) who have called OC names and even seemingly threatened to DDoS him. However, I prefer not to point out who those people were 14:35 red-001 octacian, and who gave you those logs? 14:35 VaultyLappy octacian, my only issue is if he took a different aproach at what was going on I could say ok whatever its something stupidly small we should get over it, however the stuff he did and is still doing isnt helping his case 14:35 shivajiva asking someone to be mature and do their job moderating an issue should not result in bullying by pm and an escalation to this madness, fit for purpose? Doubtful, crossed the line? Certainly....vpn abuse to continue attacking....sure lets turn a blind eye and leave the whole thing in his capable hands. 14:35 octacian Yeah, all the stuff on those sites is plain weird, but seriously, everyone is different. He may be really different, but, can't we live with it? 14:35 octacian red-001: I watched it happen. 14:35 red-001 I trust it was an unbaised party with no stake in the situation? 14:36 octacian VaultyLappy: Yes, I agree fully there. However, at this point if we keep fighting him he will keep fighting us. If we stop fighting him, I doubt he'd continue. 14:36 Shara octacian: He declared war. 14:36 red-001 he droped the first bombs 14:36 benrob0329 octacian: I very much doubt that he'd stop 14:36 octacian Shara: Again, true. However, it was only as a result of the others who had in his point of view wronged him over some other issues. 14:36 red-001 this was just a minor disagreement over a new feature 14:37 octacian benrob0329: OldCoder wrote on his blog not to long ago that he was still more than willing to settle. And if that's not enough, he told me himself a while back. 14:37 shivajiva carrying a grudge was he octacian? 14:37 benrob0329 And then a fight, a fork, and a war. 14:37 Shara Settle how? 14:37 red-001 it's like responding to being sold broken phone by destorying the business that sold it 14:38 VaultyLappy red-001, what was the change like were the devs removing or keeping shift i dont remember 14:38 red-001 Shara, gag order I assume and a transfer of a large amount of bitcoins 14:38 benrob0329 VaultyLappy: changing it 14:38 octacian red-001: That's one way to put it. However, if the business that sold the broken phone provides the wronged with a new (not broken) phone, they will be unlikely to destroy (or attempt to destroy) the business. 14:38 VaultyLappy ah so just editing its functions 14:38 Zeno` In 2005 imaginary adversaries, according to him, also DDOSed him 14:39 octacian Zeno`: Yeah, I've looked through quite a bit of his stuff, and I must admit that most of it seems really weird. 14:39 benrob0329 *sigh* wth has happened around here 14:39 red-001 look don't try to look at his actions as you would at the actions of a normal person 14:39 red-001 he is clearly not mentally sound 14:40 Shara octacian: He actually 'can' say sorry, if he chooses. 14:40 octacian Yes, however, if we treat those who are not mentally sound as you would a normal person, that person will have a chance to improve. 14:40 Shara He actually could take down the things upsetting people. 14:40 red-001 https://pastebin.com/bK1qcu3A 14:40 octacian Shara: Yes, I agree. However, those items were only put up as a result of people upsetting him. 14:41 VaultyLappy octacian, if he had any desire to fix things he wouldn't be pasting those things about people like red publically 14:41 Zeno` There is also his threat of confronting me in Australia (which seems to have been removed) 14:41 VaultyLappy just throwing that out there 14:41 benrob0329 octacian: how!? By stating that the devs didnt ddos him? 14:42 red-001 really like I told him before he can just move to a bloody armish community and never use the internet again for all I care 14:42 VaultyLappy XD 14:42 Shara If I did that to people who upset me... 14:42 Shara But I'm not like that. 14:42 red-001 I wouldn't miss him 14:42 shivajiva so nobody can upset him....wow I don't live in that world how come he gets to? 14:42 sfan5 octacian: i think there's one thing you don't seem to understand 14:42 octacian VaultyLappy: Different people have different ways of confronting others. Though it may actually be true that OC is in the wrong (however, I don't think he entirely is), he wasn't asking for that much as a settlement originally. Had it been accepted, the issue would not still exist. 14:42 sfan5 being part of a community is a privilege, not a right 14:42 octacian sfan5: I'm listening... :D 14:43 octacian That's true. 14:43 red-001 shivajiva, watch out you could hurt someones feelings 14:43 sfan5 also you mentioned "his way of dealing with things" 14:43 shivajiva like he's trying to....yea 14:43 sfan5 exactly because of how he deals with things he should not be allowed back 14:43 red-001 he is the sort of person that tells people not to paste pms and then does that himself 14:43 VaultyLappy octacian, thats like saying that ISIS's ways of handling things is the only way of doing it 14:43 sfan5 next time something happens he disagrees with this whole thing would happen all over 14:44 octacian That's another way to look at things. However, when we give people a chance they can change the way they deal with things. 14:44 octacian sfan5: At that point I would agree wholeheartedly that he should go. 14:44 red-001 octacian, he had a lot of chances 14:44 VaultyLappy octacian, its human nature, humans don't want to change 14:44 benrob0329 Threats, attacks, doxing 14:44 red-001 plus minetest isn't the first time he did this 14:45 shivajiva what organisation wouldn't remove an individual who behaved in this way for self preservation? 14:45 VaultyLappy ^ 14:45 benrob0329 a little name calling by an angry dev does NOT account for all of that. 14:45 sfan5 octacian: while "giving a second chance" might seem moral, this would be done with the guarantee that he would eventually do the same thing again 14:45 red-001 ^ 14:45 sfan5 and at that point you might just not do it 14:46 benrob0329 We've all been called names, been made fun of 14:46 kaeza BTW, he did this back around ~2013 IIRC 14:46 octacian Anyways, this conversation is getting nowhere, so, I'm gonna say my last item. OldCoder isn't entirely in the wrong like many of you think. I've personally watched several devs discuss how OC's server could be taken down, and have seen official logs of devs and other calling him names. I don't agree with OC's method of dealing with things, however, unless something is done with OC soon, the Minetest community will end up expending large 14:46 octacian amounts of energy that could have been used elsewhere. 14:46 red-001 look if this was the first time he went off the rails like this I might agree with octacian 14:46 Zeno` so people don't have to visit his vile site, there is this: https://pastebin.com/KcCy8tGS 14:46 Zeno` I am Craig 14:46 red-001 octacian, thats easy 14:46 sfan5 octacian: can you link me those "official logs"? 14:46 Zeno` He NEVER asked that question 14:46 red-001 just pretend he doesn't exist 14:46 kaeza I think it was over the LandMine problems 14:46 Zeno` I don't know why he made that statement 14:47 sfan5 also about wasting time: no time would be wasted if people did not keep brining this up 14:47 benrob0329 ^^^ 14:47 kaeza ^ 14:47 octacian heh, I agree. 14:47 Zeno` He is accusing me of being racist (apparently) and for anyone who knows me that is the furthest thing from the truth ever 14:47 Zeno` and he wondered why I called him a liar 14:48 benrob0329 Aaaaaaaaaaaaa...aanyways 14:48 Zeno` that question was NEVER asked 14:48 octacian So... someone got a new subject we could go off on? 14:48 sfan5 so can you link me those official logs or not? 14:48 Zeno` and if it was I probably wouldn't have answered anyway because it's a loaded question 14:48 benrob0329 AwesomeWM is scriptable in Lua 14:48 octacian sfan5: Once/if I can find them again, I will PM you. 14:48 sfan5 since you're making a pretty bold statement there without any proof 14:49 Zeno` sfan5, he states it at http://minetest.org/ 14:49 octacian Oh, you're talking to Zeno xD 14:49 Zeno` search for Zeno or Robbins 14:49 sfan5 i am not 14:49 red-001 here didn't someone have back ups of his site? 14:49 sfan5 tho the logs you both are referring to might be the same 14:49 * kaeza looks up what "🍩" is 14:50 Shara octacian: I don't know what that is as it won't display on my client 14:50 VaultyLappy so lemme lay my point of view for a sec, say a man murdered someone, he'd be thrown in Jail or executed, if an autistic person (just using as a reference to prove a point) killed someone does that mean he can get away all scott free or with a lesser consequence? he still did wrong and gets equal punishment 14:50 benrob0329 Shara: donuts 14:50 octacian Shara: Wuh... It's supposed to be a donut :P 14:50 * Shara wanders off to find a doughnut (not even joking - I have some in the kitchen!!) 14:50 kaeza benrob0329, oh, my font doesn't have that glyph 14:50 Zeno` sfan5, http://minetest.org/ .... search my nick or real name (Craig, or Robbins) 14:50 * CWz_ deletes Shara's kichen 14:50 sfan5 kaeza: install an emoji font 14:50 kaeza "U+1F369 DOUGHNUT" 14:51 Zeno` (search yours as well) 14:51 red-001 VaultyLappy, so what if someone that doesn't belive in free will murders someone? 14:51 Zeno` it's all just made up rubbish 14:51 VaultyLappy same punishment 14:51 kaeza sfan5, have a link handy? 14:51 benrob0329 Ok ok this has gone on long enough 14:51 * kaeza googles 14:51 sfan5 kaeza: i don't 14:51 sfan5 since i just installed the win10 fonts package 14:52 sfan5 (which for copyright reasons is not available prebuilt) 14:52 benrob0329 Ewww MsFonts 14:52 red-001 really if someone uses the fact they are a hardline determisim as a defense they most likely need physcological help 14:52 kaeza sfan5, ah 14:52 kaeza and ew 14:52 Zeno` MS fonts are actually quite good heh 14:52 red-001 VaultyLappy, have you heard of the matrix defense? 14:52 * CWz hides 14:52 benrob0329 Noto fonts all the way 14:53 VaultyLappy yes/no 14:53 kaeza this PC has an XP partition, but doubt it has anything of value 14:54 Zeno` the statements he makes on his website are in my non-professional opinion not indicative of autism. 14:54 red-001 more then one person has been found not guilty by reason on insanity because they belived they were in the matrix 14:54 VaultyLappy Zeno`, i just used it to make a point 14:54 red-001 of* 14:54 VaultyLappy red-001, XD 14:54 kaeza except it seems to have Prince of Persia for DOS, and some old Win 3.1 games 14:54 Zeno` they are malicious and defamatory. Neither of which is something that I've seen published about autism 14:55 benrob0329 Inconsolata is also a nice font 14:55 Zeno` They're also lies 14:55 VaultyLappy never said he was lol 14:55 red-001 Zeno`, well it does cause impaired social interaction 14:55 Sokomine finally caught up with reading... 14:55 * benrob0329 sighs 14:55 VaultyLappy kaeza, gunna go play some Peggle XD 14:55 octacian Something ontopic. Is anyone aware of the issue where if you punch nodes/players quickly on a slow connection while moving you get sort of teleported around to the places you were in the past few seconds? 14:56 VaultyLappy yes 14:56 benrob0329 Sokomine: find something to change the subject, quick! 14:56 octacian And more specifically, does anyone know how to counter the issue - without just getting faster internet? lel 14:56 VaultyLappy nope XD 14:56 VaultyLappy rejoin 14:57 * Shara refuses to acknowledge CWz's antics and noms on successfully retrieved doughnut 14:57 Sokomine benrob0329: but...i just caught up with reading :-(. you all where discussing so much. and the matter matters to me. i would very much love if oldcoder could have his #minetest-project channel back and be back on irc. i just don't really see a way how that can be accomplished 14:57 benrob0329 octacian: that's an issue as old as MT itself 14:57 benrob0329 Sokomine: he was trusted, and now he is not 14:58 benrob0329 Trust is not bought 14:58 red-001 I would settle for him staying k-lined 14:58 * CWz rollback shara's donut 14:58 VaultyLappy moving off topic who's go theri grubby little mitts on a Switch? 14:58 VaultyLappy their* 14:59 Sokomine he..did not change so much in the past time. he always was a bit like how he is now. sadly, there's not really a way to prove that nobody ever did a dos attack on him. how could we? we all only know for sure for ourshelves and can consider it extremly unlikely that anyone else did either 14:59 VaultyLappy got* 14:59 benrob0329 Trust is earned. But when that trust is lost, there is often little you can do to earn it back. 14:59 Zeno` The other thing is that he "seems" (although I don't know) is that this is a civil case. The problem is that his allegations of child sex crimes makes it a criminal case 15:00 VaultyLappy yeah if someone could PM me what THAT was about id appreciate it :P 15:00 benrob0329 Ok, this is now going into the wtf zone 15:00 Sokomine VaultyLappy: what? 15:00 red-001 he better show some proof for that DDos attack then 15:00 VaultyLappy Sokomine, the child thingy 15:01 Sokomine ah. don't ask me. i have no idea about that :-( 15:01 Zeno` VaultyLappy, read the link I provided 15:01 VaultyLappy may I have repaste? 15:01 Zeno` http://minetest.org 15:01 benrob0329 moving on... 15:01 Shara From what I understand, that stuff was linked to another project, which also reported him to freenode. So because freenode got involved here too, he's now linking MT to that as well. 15:01 VaultyLappy oh that ive already seen what he said about that 15:01 VaultyLappy I just want all sides 15:01 benrob0329 Who wants to have a Lua scriptable WM? 15:02 * Shara also revokes CWz's rollback priv. 15:02 Shara Seriously CWz! 15:02 Zeno` The thing is that the allegations he made moved the case from civil law to criminal law 15:02 * benrob0329 rollbacks CWz's rollback 15:03 red-001 Zeno`, wouldn't his claims of DDos already do that? 15:03 Zeno` (and there is a HUGE difference) 15:03 Zeno` red-001, that as well because it's also a felony in the US 15:03 red-001 he is clearly going for a trial by media here 15:03 Zeno` but believe me, child sex claims are investigated a bit more than DDOS attacks hehehe 15:04 red-001 which wouldn't work out if he is ignored 15:04 Sokomine Zeno`: ah yes, probably. guessing from what else oldcoder states i think that he either misunderstood something gravely, mixed too many people up, or has a diffrent perception in that area than most other people 15:04 Zeno` Sokomine, he made similar claims in 2005 15:04 Zeno` there is no mistake in what he is attempting to do 15:05 red-001 Zeno`, links? 15:05 VaultyLappy afk gotta do chicken duty they need feeding and letting out for the day 15:05 VaultyLappy . 15:05 Zeno` this for a start: http://christfollower.me/page066.html#D151108SSN 15:06 Zeno` in it he claims that a deceased person is still alive (sound familiar?) 15:06 red-001 yes 15:06 Sokomine it'd be great if there'd be someone oldcoder could talk to who could help him sort things out. maybe someone whom he knows rl. with all those accusations and abuse of trust on his page he might have chased many of his friends here away 15:07 Zeno` you can read them all from that link 15:07 * Sokomine steals an egg from VaultyLappys chicken 15:08 red-001 Zeno`, so what are you suggesting? 15:08 Zeno` he also makes child abuse allegations in that link 15:09 Zeno` I am suggesting that this all seems very familar 15:09 Zeno` compared to his current allegations against minetest 15:10 Zeno` in fact, they are so similar that they're exactly the same 15:10 Sokomine Zeno`: maybe that comes from mixing up people. oldcoder doesn't believe me to be a real person either :-( he seems to think i'm half of the internet. but i'm just myshelf...and maybe that belief that dead people are still alive might be caused by the same misconception 15:10 octacian Seeing as I kinda started the extended discussion about OC, mind if we end it? :P 15:10 Krock what. I thought I'm the only real person in here 15:12 red-001 well if he wants to post made up stuff on a website he can 15:12 Sokomine octacian: i'm glad that you brought up a view that oldcoder isn't entirely bad. he isn't. he's just doing something very wrong right now :-(. if that could be settled in some way that'd be a gain for all 15:12 octacian ^ +1 15:12 red-001 I gain for all would be if he quit using the internet and did something useful with his time 15:13 rubenwardy all I did was disagree with him registering a trademark to take over the project, and now I'm getting threatening PMs and emails, and threats to contact work and family members 15:14 Sokomine hmm. he did contribute a lot. he runs several servers, places great value in perserving worlds, tried to solve conflicts, to improve code... 15:14 Shara I would prefer a peaceful answer, but I honestly feel he has gone too far for one to be possible. 15:14 Zeno` Ok, I'll stop. But I have an message to OC if he is reading this: Fuck Off 15:14 red-001 ^ 15:15 * Shara changes topic back to "Minetest" 15:15 Sokomine rubenwardy: yes. that's the trouble :-( that is certainly not acceptable behaviour in any kind by him 15:15 * red-001 changes the topic to "Channel for saying hi to people" 15:15 red-001 hi 15:16 Sokomine Shara: i tried that unintenitonally when i came on :-) seems nobody has any idea about pathfinding 15:16 * Shara changes topic to "Shara needs more doughnuts" 15:16 * Sokomine follows the channel topic and says "hi people" 15:16 Shara Sokomine: Sadly I've never looked into it myself 15:16 Shara Maybe Ten would be someone to speak to about that? 15:16 rubenwardy I really think that doughnuts should be called doughnoughts, due to their shape 15:16 Sokomine yes, i did talk to him a bit about it yesterday 15:17 Shara rubenwardy: I just really think I should have more of them :) 15:17 Shara whatever the name. 15:17 rubenwardy Although not every one is torus shaped 15:17 rubenwardy hmmm. I want some now 15:19 Zeno` Wait. I just have one more thing to say to OC: Use my real name (Craig Robbins) on your blog. Please. 15:19 red-001 well he claimed not to read the logs, lets wait for him to contradict that 15:19 * Shara makes 'shhhh' noises at everyone 15:19 Shara Hi LazyJ 15:19 LazyJ Howdy Shara ;) 15:19 kaeza Shara, oh crap you are a creeper now 15:20 kaeza everybody, run! 15:20 Shara Wait... creepers make shhh noises?! 15:20 Sokomine hi LazyJ 15:21 LazyJ Howdy Soko ;) 15:21 kaeza they kind of do. more like "sssssSSSSBOOM" 15:22 kaeza anybody recalls which mod added those, uh, mushroom-kind-of-thingies that exploded when a player was close? 15:22 Shara Not sure 15:22 kaeza they were nodes, not entities 15:22 Shara But I don't think I want to go BOOM 15:23 Zeno` boom, boom, boom, I want you in my room 15:23 Shara hehe 15:23 kaeza "Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!" 15:27 * VanessaE hands kaeza the missing Q-38 Explosive Space Modulator 15:27 * Shara runs 15:29 VaultyLappy back 15:29 VaultyLappy smelly beasts 15:32 * VanessaE quietly snaps away one of shara's donuts :) 15:32 Shara Nooooooooooo! 15:33 Shara Doughnut-ninja strikes again!! 15:33 VaultyLappy Sokomine, i want my egg back D: 15:33 Shara Hi VanessaE :) 15:33 benrob0329 Hi VanessaE, LazyJ 15:33 nore hi all :) 15:34 * nore eats the donut VanessaE stole 15:34 davisonio Hey 15:34 VanessaE NO!!!! 15:34 nore too late 15:34 benrob0329 Hi nore 15:34 nore delicious btw 15:34 nore :) 15:34 benrob0329 Hi davisonio 15:35 VanessaE fuck it 15:35 * VanessaE grabs a whole new box of Krispy Kreme 15:35 VanessaE :) 15:35 * benrob0329 thinks about the turkey cheese bagel he's about to make 15:35 LazyJ Howdy benrob0329 ;) 15:36 * Shara nabs the box and legs it while VanessaE isn't looking 15:36 VanessaE you .... 15:36 Shara :D? 15:36 * VanessaE grabs one of the donuts and squishes it on shara's head 15:36 Shara Guuuh! 15:37 * Shara changes topic to "food fight" 15:37 VanessaE FOOD FIGHT!! 15:37 VanessaE :D 15:37 Shara :D 15:37 * benrob0329 pickpockets VanessaE's donut she has behind her back and walks away 15:37 benrob0329 Don 15:38 * VaultyLappy lops off benrob0329's hand and tosses the donut down the garbage disposal 15:38 * benrob0329 regenerates 15:39 * VanessaE throws a pie at roben1430 :) 15:39 * roben1430 doges the pie, and throws a coconut, cream pie at VanessaE 15:39 VanessaE *splat* 15:39 VanessaE damn you. 15:39 * VanessaE sprays whipped cream at ben 15:40 * VaultyLappy messily eats chips above VanessaE 15:40 VanessaE heh 15:40 * roben1430 wonders where VanessaE got a time traveling can of whipped creap 15:40 roben1430 *cream 15:40 roben1430 Lol 15:41 VaultyLappy from Beedles Shop Ship XD 15:42 * roben1430 degenerates 15:45 benrob0329 Hi behalebabo 15:50 Sokomine VaultyLappy: too late! 15:50 VaultyTowers XD 15:51 * Sokomine eats the last part of VaultyLappy's chickens egg 15:51 VaultyTowers nooooooooooooo 15:54 Sokomine that pathfinding is really very very odd. the path does not use the door but goes through a wall and a ceiling.... 16:09 Zeno` Krock, I am listening to your song! 16:09 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrdEMERq8MA 16:10 benrob0329 Perhaps what we need is a couple groups 16:10 benrob0329 Passable, and openable 16:10 benrob0329 Along with an on_pass and on_open 16:10 Zeno` pfft, always look on the bright side of death 16:14 benrob0329 Hi stormchaser3000 16:15 VaultyLappy Zeno`, we respawn :D 16:16 Zeno` gosh now I have to try and remember everyone's songs 16:18 Zeno` celeron55's song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf2aIVKp1OY 16:19 red-001 hey can I have a song? 16:20 Zeno` dunno. These songs were established over a year ago 16:20 octacian red-001: How about the 🍩 song? Please tell me that actually exists... Not that I really care. 16:20 VaultyLappy mines Beedles Shop Ship 16:20 * red-001 can't see emoji 16:20 * octacian recently changed everyone's wallpapers in my house into donuts just for fun 16:20 octacian red-001: It's unicode... Seriously man 16:20 VaultyLappy lol 16:20 Zeno` no no no, people cannot choose their own songs 16:20 octacian Zeno`: WHAT? So unfair... 16:21 VaultyLappy aww come on XD 16:21 VaultyLappy mines funny 16:21 Zeno` nope, no choice. The song is assigned and not chosen by the person 16:22 red-001 hey where do I apply to get a song? 16:22 red-001 which forms do I need to fill out? 16:22 Zeno` Shara's theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLPH9d-jsI 16:22 octacian 😞 <- How many people can't see this? heh :rotfl: 16:23 Zeno` I can't see it 16:23 red-001 I can see that 16:23 VaultyLappy i can 16:23 benrob0329 VaultyLappy's theme song: https://youtu.be/Hb9FwlubyIQ 16:23 red-001 it's a sad face emo ji 16:23 octacian Wait... Most of those emoji are unicode 6. Maybe some of you have an older version of unicode? 16:23 * DS-minetest can see 😞 16:23 Zeno` that is NOT VaultyLappy's theme song 16:23 red-001 octacian, shitty fonts 16:23 benrob0329 Lol 16:24 VaultyLappy XD thank god 16:24 VaultyLappy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsem2Lxvb0&t 16:24 octacian IK absolutely nothing about fonts though... 16:24 Zeno` VaultyLappy's theme song is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMT698ArSfQ 16:24 VanessaE fonts-symbola == unicode 7.0 16:24 VanessaE I can see the smiley 16:24 VaultyLappy Zeno`, NO XD 16:24 VaultyLappy mine is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsem2Lxvb0&t 16:24 Zeno` too late. It's assigned :P 16:25 VaultyLappy no XD 16:25 * octacian is scared to open the assigned song... 16:25 * octacian regrets clicking that link 16:25 Zeno` why? 16:25 Shara Seriously people. 16:25 Shara Only Zeno` can assign theme songs. 16:25 Zeno` it's their theme song 16:25 octacian 😂 16:26 DS-minetest flop flopp floppy  16:26 VaultyLappy octacian, methinks this is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsem2Lxvb0&t 16:26 benrob0329 octacian: we ALL regret clicking the link XD 16:26 * Shara is quite fine with her song 16:26 octacian This, for example, is kinda real music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgM_JCJkOeU 16:26 octacian :P 16:27 VanessaE no song can adequately describe me :) 16:27 Shara Zeno`: I think you have a challenger :) 16:27 red-001 To all those that it may concern, I would like to lodge a formal complaint about my lack of theme song, this is simply not acceptable considering I took the time to write to long and ultimately pointless complaint 16:28 red-001 well this is getting too meta 16:28 octacian Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcoqq11tXfA 16:29 * benrob0329 backs away slowly from the theme song generator 16:29 DS-minetest lol, what about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEpcjgYHE4U 16:29 VaultyLappy red-001, your is "Everybody poops" by bad lip reading 16:30 octacian DS-minetest: wth... 16:31 octacian What about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36VmZPpRX4 16:31 octacian :P 16:32 Zeno` Sokomine's theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWm2MIKCuwQ 16:34 Sokomine !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWm2MIKCuwQ 16:34 ShadowBot Sokomine: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB. 16:34 Sokomine oh :-( how shall i find out now what my song is? 16:34 octacian Sokomine: It's freakishly weird but doesn't sound terrible 16:34 Zeno` Alphaville For ever Young remix 2015 HD 16:35 Sokomine hm. not that that does tell me much either... 16:35 octacian It's a perfume commercial :rotfl: 16:35 Sokomine oh :-( 16:35 VaultyLappy simply ageless coverup 16:37 Zeno` ah, but nobody can name the model ;) 16:37 DS-minetest or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5BSvwOYwxg 16:39 VaultyLappy I hear you like prancing about like an idiot is this true? 16:39 * VaultyLappy prances about in the background ladedadedadadadoooo 16:39 VaultyLappy well I guess that should answer my question 16:40 DS-minetest i see a big problem with main menu in the start time of minetest 16:41 Zeno` (it's Lindsay Lohan btw) 16:42 Zeno` looks exactly like Sokomine 16:44 benrob0329 Zeno`: you know Sokomine irl? 16:45 octacian #1: I have no clue who that is. #2: No one really cares who the model is :P 16:46 octacian heh 16:46 Zeno` red-001's song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk&list=PLyQYtBDMwqmMX-FUsJWNNmnpbpIWfaoC- 16:47 red-001 could be worse 16:48 Zeno` true 16:48 octacian I'm not so sure about that 16:48 * Jordach_ purrs 16:49 octacian uh, Yeah.... 16:49 * benrob0329 sees title 16:49 * benrob0329 runs 16:50 octacian And it sounds freaking horrible too :P 16:51 DS-minetest and if you are in main menu, you think, the voice comes from beyond the clouds. wth, sam, what are you saying 16:53 Zeno` octacian's song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4mKGxI8t8c 16:53 Zeno` nice foot work, octacian 16:57 Zeno` DS-minetest's song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pEho5tqwfE 17:00 DS-minetest eh, too bad sound quality X3 17:00 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBDA-ZDaBs then 17:02 octacian Zeno`: You gotta be kidding me 17:02 Zeno` I'm a very serious person 17:03 octacian I mean, not as bad as many of the others. But still kinda weird IMO :rotfl: 17:03 red-001 russia? 17:03 red-001 russiann?* 17:03 red-001 -n 17:04 Zeno` bugarian I think 17:04 Zeno` bulgarian* 17:04 red-001 yeah it seems BTV is Bulgarian 17:04 octacian OK.... that was weird....... 17:04 Sokomine octacian: ah. thanks for the translation :-) 17:05 DS-minetest Zeno`: meh, rather not 17:05 kilbith hey 17:06 octacian Zeno`: Can I have mine reassigned to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36VmZPpRX4 17:06 octacian :P 17:06 octacian WAY better 17:06 Sokomine benrob0329: i'm pretty sure i don't know zeno irl. at least i'm not aware of it. didn't he say something about living in australia? that's almost the other side of the world, and i've never been there. so it's rather unlikely that we know each other 17:06 red-001 Only Zeno` can assign theme songs. 17:06 DS-minetest the music has to be subtle, open source, not annoying, rather short (because of disk space) and nice 17:06 red-001 Sokomine, ? 17:07 red-001 oh nvm 17:07 octacian red-001: Yeah, IK.. But that means Zeno` could also re-assign at request if he so chose :P 17:07 red-001 I though we were back to the topic of the nameless one 17:08 Zeno` since you asked nicely I'll reassign it to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW0dt6HT9Hk 17:09 octacian I really regret asking. 17:09 octacian That is even worse :rotfl: 17:09 Zeno` lol 17:10 octacian >_< 17:10 Krock octacian, here, something to clear your brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGSJ3sbivI 17:11 octacian O_O you gotta be kidding me. I can't decide if that's weirder or not... IDK if it can get weirder 17:11 Stone-Talus those damn Guardian scouts suck 17:12 octacian Seriously though, what is up with you people and your music tastes? 17:12 Krock did you even click my link? o.o 17:12 octacian Yes. And I kinda regret it 17:13 Krock oh. I thought that would be good music :'( 17:13 Sokomine octacian: don't like your assigned song? :-) 17:13 octacian heh, You guys have far different tastes in music than do I... :rotfl: 17:13 Sokomine guardian scouts? what are those? 17:14 Sokomine octacian: i don't have any. not intrested in music. it's just noise to me 17:14 octacian heh 17:14 Zeno` what's wrong with it? It seems kind of cool to me 17:14 octacian heh, IRDK 17:15 Zeno` ok I will reassign your song just one more time 17:15 * octacian prays it's good 17:16 Zeno` of course it will be 17:16 Krock octacian, to what kind of song would you like to be assigned? 17:16 * octacian thinks... 17:16 octacian IDK, I'm not really aware of the different types. heh 17:16 Zeno` octacian's final assigned song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ 17:17 Krock I smell rickroll 17:17 octacian >_< 17:17 Krock AND IT IS 17:17 octacian Krock: You called it 17:17 Krock BOOM 17:17 Krock oh shit. it passed 2 million likes 17:17 octacian This is what's called good music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36VmZPpRX4 17:17 Krock and nearly 96000 weren't happy about being rickrolled 17:17 Zeno` speaking of which have you seen the factorio rickroll? 17:18 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kry8lbrHjeY 17:18 Zeno` when minetest can do this I'll be happy 17:19 Krock octacian, very similar to Coldplay... in the first 50 seconds 17:19 octacian Yeah, the first 50s = the best part :rotfl: 17:20 * octacian really needs to do something useful with what remains of his weekend... 17:20 Krock you have about 5 or 6 hours left 17:20 octacian Nope, PST 17:21 Krock oh? I thought you were from GB 17:21 octacian But either way, that'll be practically it seeing as I have to go somewhere at 3:30 this afternoon... 17:21 octacian GB? 17:21 Krock not-so-great-britain-anymore (brexit) 17:21 octacian Ah, I see. Nope though, Canada :D 17:22 Krock was almost right.. just missed it by some few megameters 17:22 octacian :rotfl: 17:23 octacian Wait... That link was to the wrong song? That explains why youtube-dl just gave me the wrong thing. Although, I don't mind :rotfl: 17:23 Sokomine octacian: build a house, write a mod, fix an issue on github, go out and enjoy the nice weather...enoguh to do :-) 17:23 octacian Here's what I meant to link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABs49waOliw 17:23 octacian Sokomine: heh, Sounds like a plan to me. And actually pretty close to what I'll be doing come late June when the lakes warm up :D 17:23 Sokomine good to hear, octacian :-) 17:24 octacian In the meantime though, gonna be working on some WP websites 17:29 Fixer f---ck, so much logs to read 17:30 red-001 f 17:31 red-001 I found a solution to that 17:31 red-001 not reading them 17:31 Fixer Krock: perfect rickroll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfeervqhY9Y 17:32 Krock already seen 17:32 DS-minetest the first i found, that would suit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLoHAZr4_mQ&feature=plcp 17:32 red-001 but yeah the discussion about the nameless troll flared up again 17:34 VanessaE red-001: nah, SenileProgrammer ;) 17:35 DS-minetest Zeno`: could i please have this song: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1200067&Search=Search 17:36 red-001 well thats an acceptable name of them 17:36 red-001 for* 17:38 red-001 anyway for those that follow the "blog" of the nameless coder I assume there will be a post about today soon 17:38 red-001 or as someone pointed out a copy and paste of an old blog post 17:39 red-001 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6G3gB7DksA 17:39 red-001 !title 17:39 ShadowBot red-001: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB. 17:39 red-001 lol 17:40 DS-minetest imo that's not minetestty 17:41 octacian Fixer: Yes, I'm aware, it doesn't mean that one can't work with him though. However, at this point, I prefer to leave the topic be. 17:42 VanessaE Fixer: forget [off] 17:42 VanessaE don't even bothert 17:42 VanessaE let it go into the logs 17:42 red-001 yeah 17:42 VanessaE he reads the channel somehow anyway, so it's not like it matters 17:42 octacian Wait... does [off] stuff not go into the logs? 17:42 VanessaE octacian: correct. 17:42 red-001 VanessaE, someone leaked it to him 17:42 VanessaE but only the official logs respond to it 17:42 octacian He probably has some user just sitting in here somewhere 17:42 VanessaE red-001: same difference :-/ 17:42 red-001 one of his leakers quit his network over this already 17:43 VanessaE oh yeah? 17:44 red-001 anyway there is no point in [off] 17:44 red-001 no need to hide when he is activitly at war 17:45 red-001 actively* 17:45 VanessaE exactly 17:45 VanessaE someone told me earlier that he's starting to try to target ME now, btw. apparently I am "persnickety". 17:46 VanessaE and for reasons I can't even begin to guess at, he's added Abe (my husband) to the list of people to pursue. 17:46 DS-minetest wait, those two persons that have "bot_" and "Bot" at the end, are they good? 17:46 VanessaE (for the record: I have not said a single word to him since May 21 21:38:17 EDT. 17:46 VanessaE ) 17:47 VanessaE is our official logger 17:47 VanessaE RubenBot is rubenwardy's bot, idk what it's for 17:47 red-001 VanessaE, ignoring [off] 17:47 Krock RubenBot is somewhat evil. It's basically the monster under your bed 17:47 DS-minetest ah, ok 17:48 VanessaE red-001: eh? 17:48 DS-minetest and RubenBot makes much smoke? 17:48 VanessaE RubenBot makes sandwiches :) 17:49 red-001 Zeno`, ? 17:49 VanessaE er 17:49 red-001 who did you just ban? 17:49 VanessaE that's kilbith 17:49 Sokomine hm. sandwiches are not particulary intresting. they don't taste too well. so if it's a monster under the bed... 17:49 Zeno` yeah, and I just banned him 17:49 kilbith you sure it's me? 17:50 * Sokomine takes out her sword and aims it at the bot (but only if the bot dares to scroll :-)) 17:50 VanessaE Sokomine: you've never had a proper Reuben sandwich then 17:50 VanessaE Zeno`: why? 17:50 Sokomine what are reuben? 17:50 diegom what 17:50 Sokomine er? why kick kilbith? 17:50 diegom wtf Zeno` 17:50 VaultyTowers what did Kilbith do? 17:50 VanessaE Sokomine: corned beef, sauerkraut, thousand-island dressing, on toasted rye bread 17:50 Zeno` for disclosing details of a PM 17:50 DS-minetest bäh, turnip sandwiches 17:50 red-001 Fixer, I think he is also offended by the world 17:51 VaultyTowers ah 17:51 red-001 not sure how the nameless one could solve that 17:51 VanessaE Zeno`: un-ban him, give him a break 17:51 Sokomine VanessaE: ah. could be tasty 17:51 Zeno` you unban him :P 17:51 VanessaE Sokomine: when made properly to die for. 17:51 VanessaE they're to die for* 17:51 Sokomine :-) 17:52 Zeno` wb 17:52 VanessaE kilbith: don't re-share personal info back and forth. it's bad form. 17:52 Sokomine VanessaE: any really fresh and still warm bread is great :-) 17:52 VanessaE (and it's part of what's been fueling the rage back and forth with OC) 17:53 Shara It's a good thing I am not the type of person some claim, or I'd be the one handing out some bans right now :) 17:53 diegom uh, did I miss something? 17:53 octacian diegom: Yeah, the OC apocalypse has begun. 17:53 VanessaE I'm trying to keep mostly neutral :P 17:53 kilbith I'll keep being transparent and reveal the whole extent of his hyprocrisy, sorry 17:54 Zeno` kilbith, if you EVER share something I said in PM to you again don't expect me to back down so quickly, ok? 17:54 Sokomine banning is very seldom necessary. mostly if a bot got out of control and starts spamming the channel 17:54 Shara We really need a #minetest-drama channel. 17:54 VaultyTowers lol 17:54 Shara If someone makes it, please ban me immediately. 17:54 Shara I don't want anymore. 17:54 Sokomine but yes, things said in privacy ought to stay there 17:55 VanessaE people, people... 17:55 VanessaE calm down 17:55 DS-minetest + 17:55 kilbith Zeno`, feel free to ban me if you want, if it can help you feel you better 17:55 VanessaE please 17:55 Sokomine Shara: *g* you could send all those i-want-to-be-a-baby-players there! 17:55 VanessaE you too, kilbith 17:55 kilbith I don't really care of this channel 17:55 Shara Sokomine: Yes!! Please! 17:55 VaultyTowers gogo wawa 17:55 octacian This conversation is getting us nowhere..... 17:55 DS-minetest + 17:55 octacian :P 17:55 VaultyTowers look at the little baby (baby giggles) 17:55 VanessaE OC is trying to turn this channel into a war zone 17:55 VaultyTowers now look at the big baby 17:56 VanessaE can we PLEASE not let that happen? 17:56 VaultyTowers (deep voice) Wa 17:56 * DS-minetest just adds his + P: 17:56 * Shara eats the + 17:56 Shara The only type of fighting allowed here is what happens when VanessaE steals the doughnuts. 17:56 DS-minetest hey, ink isn't healthy 17:56 VanessaE oh no no no no 17:56 VanessaE all the donuts are mine mine MINE! :) 17:57 nore is me eating them allowed as well? :3 17:57 * VaultyTowers calls dibs on doughnuts 17:57 DS-minetest dount do that ;) 17:57 Sokomine fine. have them. there's more deliscious food :)) 17:57 DS-minetest the sandwitches? 17:57 Sokomine did i tell you that i had cake last weak that was a *huge* and *deliscious* and *big* piece of cake? ate two of them - and couldn't eat anything else that day 17:58 red-001 wait what just happened? 17:58 VaultyTowers mmm Dew-S-A 17:58 DS-minetest red-001: most likely the topic is a food mod 17:58 VaultyTowers I SAID DEW S A 17:58 Sokomine and they had a huge variety of cakes to choose from as well :-) normally the pieces cut and sold tend to get tinier and tinier. this one was biiiig 17:58 VanessaE Fixer: no [off]. 17:58 VanessaE forget [off] 17:58 VanessaE it doesn't help anyway 17:59 Sokomine Fixer: you're perfectly right about that 17:59 Shara nore: I may pay you in doughnuts to fend her off. 17:59 VaultyTowers only thing [off] is good for is hiding from the players in game or vice versa :P 18:00 Sokomine off could still be good to not fill the logs with this discussion. maybe we ought to include our food discussion as well 18:00 DS-minetest [on] where's the switch? 18:00 benrob0329 ]off[ 18:00 Sokomine hm, i thought of off more of a way to not spam the logs 18:00 DS-minetest pff, is anyway anyone reading logs? 18:00 Shara Some people do. 18:00 Sokomine just make it a big red switch and write "do not press this switch" on top 18:01 benrob0329 [^] <-- here is the switch 18:01 DS-minetest poor people. YES, I SPEAK WITH YOU 18:01 benrob0329 You just need to find an upside-down version of ^ 18:01 Sokomine benrob0329: v could do 18:01 Krock [v] <-- there is the same switch, just disabled 18:02 benrob0329 Oh yeah 18:02 benrob0329 didn't think of that 18:02 VanessaE [<] <--- rotated it with a screwdriver 18:02 Zeno` kilbith, how about I reboot into linux so I can post the log of the last conversation with you where you told me that if I didn't modify and remove VanessaE from credits you would not be my friend anymore? 18:02 VanessaE that didn't need repeated in here, Zeno` 18:02 kilbith sure, go for it 18:03 benrob0329 Wth 18:03 Zeno` I think it did need to be repeated in here. I made a PR 18:03 Zeno` kilbith threatened to "not be my friend" if I didn't remove VanessaE's name 18:03 kilbith go show the logs to Vanessa please 18:04 Zeno` and I am sick to death of all the threats 18:04 Zeno` brb, rebooting 18:04 kilbith nice of you, thanks 18:04 VanessaE Fixer: no [off] please 18:04 VanessaE we're not starting that shit again 18:04 octacian kilbith: Why would you want VanessaE's name off the credits? 18:04 octacian On second thought.. I may regret asking that 18:04 VanessaE octacian: because I'm not a core dev, I'm a contributor in other ways. 18:04 * nore doesn't understand what is happening 18:05 Krock finally bury the topic 18:05 VanessaE I don't care one way or the other about my name appearing in the "active" part of the credits. 18:05 Sokomine #minetest-project as such was imho a full success. it's just found to be good and officially continued in #minetest-hub 18:05 Fixer thats why I said devs should make some kind of automatic credit page, based on git info 18:05 octacian heh, I honestly wouldn't worry at all about the credits section 18:05 * Shara thinks maybe only the devs should be listed and just have done 18:05 Krock nore, the never ending stories of whose-name-shall-not-be-said and the Minetesters 18:05 octacian Shara: That would simplify things a lot. 18:06 VanessaE everyone PLEASE STOP already! 18:06 VanessaE ENOUGH 18:06 octacian heh 18:06 nore ^ +1 18:06 kilbith no, he has not shown the logs already 18:06 Fixer but i was afk, i want more drama 18:06 VanessaE we don't need to see them 18:06 octacian Speaking off the previous topic, we really need a #minetest-food :P 18:06 Stone-Talus id love to join dev but i dunno how to code so 18:06 Sokomine octacian: that's a good idea :-) 18:06 * VanessaE throws a cheeseburger at octacian 18:07 Fixer ＣＹＢＥＲＯＰＥＮＭＯＵＴＨＥＤ 18:07 VanessaE Stone-Talus: learn Lua. contribute to builtin or minetest_game 18:07 Sokomine but then we'll starve on this channel? if there's no food to feed us hugry people? 18:07 * kilbith feels like a fish in water in drama time 18:07 octacian Trueee... 18:07 Stone-Talus VanessaE, I hate doing lua, I tried with Computercraft and found it annoying 18:08 VanessaE Stone-Talus: Minetest Lua API is easy to use 18:08 kilbith welcome back 18:08 Stone-Talus im just good with ideas lol 18:08 VanessaE I've coded quite a few mods in it, and the API is reasonably capable too 18:08 VanessaE the game content is written with Lua also 18:08 Sokomine Stone-Talus: like VanessaE said. lua isn't too tricky :-) and even the engine isn't. and even if you can't contribute there - there's more than enough you can do. modding, creating textures and models, or building impressive things on servers, or just chatting with players and having a good time 18:08 Krock even writing mods is a form of contributing 18:08 Zeno` https://pastebin.com/dKjauurp 18:08 Zeno` there you go, kilbith 18:09 Fixer credits is so minor issue, they should be automated 18:09 benrob0329 Even AwesomeWM is scripted in lua 18:09 Stone-Talus i can definitely build thats why I took a construction class lol 18:09 kilbith Zeno`, also note I've releaved the private infos in private, you're doing it publicly 18:09 VanessaE benrob0329: it is? cool. 18:09 kilbith but thanks anyway, I'll go farther than you next time ;) 18:09 benrob0329 VanessaE: yes, which is why I want to try it for a while 18:09 Fixer long list can be solved by simply using some simple script with git history that shows up top 20 contributors or smth 18:09 sfan5 why is there so much drama over minor things 18:09 VanessaE benrob0329: nah, I'll stick to xfce. :) 18:10 * Sokomine throws a cake at Zeno` and kilbith so that both are busy eating :-) 18:10 Zeno` kilbith, my PR is trivial 18:10 Krock sfan5, asking myself the same question actually 18:10 kilbith sfan5, because it's fun! 18:10 benrob0329 It also means that it compiles in less than a minute :P 18:10 Stone-Talus VanessaE, if you need something built on a server I can do it XD 18:10 Stone-Talus i Have a geometeric way of thinking lol 18:10 VanessaE Stone-Talus: you're welcome to play on my servers :) 18:10 * DS-minetest wants a cake, too 18:10 kilbith Zeno`, I mean you do leak private infos here, publicly 18:10 VanessaE just don't go building any penises or swastikas :P 18:10 Stone-Talus just hope they run on my 4 gigs of RAM 18:10 Stone-Talus not an issue XD 18:11 Stone-Talus I usually do 8 bit things 18:11 * Sokomine hands a piece of cake to DS-minetest as well 18:11 Fixer 8 bit swastika 18:11 VanessaE Stone-Talus: the Survival server should, barely, as long as you aren't using HDX. 18:11 * Fixer runs 18:11 * DS-minetest is happy :D :| :D :| 18:11 VanessaE Fixer: I say that because people have done both before :-/ 18:11 Fixer VanessaE: btw, i don't remember swastikas at all since 2011, probably my memory is at fault 18:12 Krock 8 bit remove kebab 18:12 VanessaE Fixer: they get removed as quickly as they get built. 18:12 Fixer VanessaE: thats on your server 18:12 Fixer VanessaE: in 2011 i've seen dicks only 18:12 Fixer 2012 too 18:12 VanessaE Fixer: more recent, like a few months ago 18:13 VanessaE you know how people can be 18:13 * benrob0329 uses an 8-bit rollback to remove Fixer's 8-bit shwastika 18:13 VanessaE "oh let's make a big dick on that server! oh we're sooo creative and funny" bleh 18:13 Fixer VanessaE: it is internet (tm), it is fucked up, you can expect some double PHD professor to play minetest building swastikas and mario in nazi uniform, totally believable 18:14 VanessaE heh 18:14 * DS-minetest likes the idea of rollback time machines 18:14 Fixer you can swear on the internet 18:14 Zeno` Actually it's so trivial I could do two things: (a) merge it right now; or (b) close it 18:14 * octacian decides it's time to ignore IRC for a while... 18:14 VanessaE heh 18:14 benrob0329 VanessaE: builders of various obelisks certainly thought so 18:14 Fixer octacian: add more fuel instead 18:14 * benrob0329 hides 18:14 VanessaE octacian: well then we'll just ignore you too :) 18:15 octacian I'd be happy to add more fuel to other conversations... :P 18:15 kilbith I'm kind of talented in drawing swastikas, LazyJ is one of my fan 18:15 Fixer benrob0329: rollback is so slow, swastika removal will take ages, ^^ VanessaE 18:15 VanessaE Zeno`: merge it now, then let the controversy erupt :P 18:15 Fixer Remove Slow Rollback 18:15 Fixer -bab 18:15 benrob0329 Fixer: add snapshots instead 18:15 Zeno` https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5800 18:15 Zeno` nah I closed it 18:16 Zeno` can't be bothered 18:16 Krock Title: Update credits #5800 18:16 VanessaE :( 18:16 Fixer benrob0329: it is worse imo, snapshot affects everyone 18:16 VanessaE oh well 18:16 Fixer i would like to see faster rollback 18:16 benrob0329 Fixer: but it wotks against fire 18:16 benrob0329 *works 18:16 red-001 just get rid of the credits 18:16 Sokomine Fixer: well, i can imagine boys in puberty to be excited about dicks and building them everywhere. but a phd professor ought to have a better education than building nazi stuff? 18:16 red-001 paste a like to github instead 18:17 Zeno` kilbith won 18:17 kilbith nope 18:17 Fixer Sokomine: everything is possible today 18:17 benrob0329 *sigh* what has the internet come to 18:18 Fixer i'm literally can't be amazed anymore 18:18 Fixer i seen so much IRL shit 18:18 Fixer literally 18:18 Fixer around the world and in nearby places 18:18 Fixer it is almost virtual reality but in real world 18:18 benrob0329 what is real though? 18:19 benrob0329 Most colors you see on a daily basis are fake illustrations to fool your eyes 18:19 benrob0329 *illusions 18:19 benrob0329 Heck, light itself is an illusion 18:20 benrob0329 Your eyes are basically antennae that happen to be able to get a rough estimate of the transmitter 18:21 octacian Wait... What? 18:21 benrob0329 Everything you hear, feel, experience is just the various ways your body comunicates the caotic universe to your brain, locked up inside your skull 18:21 Fixer with background: Incorporeal Visions Deluxe - 詩 Desktop [2:22] 18:22 VanessaE Fixer: stop using [off] 18:22 benrob0329 /music plays 18:22 Fixer octacian: more fuel, i go eat 18:22 Fixer benrob0329: vaporwave is good for this topic right now 18:22 * octacian goes back to work 18:22 Fixer Remove Work 18:23 benrob0329 rm -rf /home/octacian/work 18:23 octacian rm: cannot remove '/home/octacian/work': No such file or directory 18:23 octacian :P 18:23 Fixer octacian: stop work now, do this https://gentoo.org/get-started/ 18:24 octacian #UbuntuFTW 18:24 Krock uninstall enoch 18:24 * Fixer elegantly stand ups 18:24 Krock *gentoo 18:24 * Fixer pauses vaporwave for sec 18:24 benrob0329 find "work" | grep "octacian" | rm -rf 18:25 octacian find: ‘work’: No such file or directory 18:25 benrob0329 #GentooFTW 18:25 octacian Wait... Did I miss something here? 18:25 VanessaE rm -rf $(find ./ |grep work |grep octacian) 18:25 VanessaE :) 18:26 octacian Still not gonna work. 18:26 red-001 rm -rf --non-preserve-root / 18:26 octacian I legitimately have absolutely nothing on my computer with the words "work" and "octacian" (except for the log file that this is gonna go in) 18:26 VanessaE heh 18:26 benrob0329 VanessaE: clearly I need to learn bash 18:27 octacian What's so nice about gentoo though? 18:27 Jordach_ >learn bash 18:27 Jordach_ learn powershell, shitlord 18:27 VanessaE powershell? fuck windows :P 18:27 benrob0329 Learn unix shell, Winshit lord. 18:27 Jordach_ powershell has/is being ported to linusx 18:27 Jordach_ -s 18:27 octacian WHY would ANYONE want that!? 18:27 Jordach_ PowerShell is pretty good apparently 18:27 octacian Powershell === the WORST command line I have EVER used 18:27 benrob0329 No, just no. 18:27 octacian :P 18:28 Jordach_ benrob0329, but that's what modern corporate wants, unfortunately 18:28 octacian With this in mind, Jordach_: How can you possibly stand running Windows? 18:28 Krock back to W98's command.com with batch 18:28 VanessaE G8d no 18:28 benrob0329 I prey for those who have to use Dos style cmd 18:28 VanessaE G*d no* 18:28 Jordach_ octacian, i have an actual game library other than indies 18:28 octacian #Wine(as in the program)FTW! :D 18:29 benrob0329 Jordach_: so do I :-) 18:29 Fixer i've seen powershell and it is horrifying 18:29 benrob0329 >everything is an object 18:29 benrob0329 No, fuck no. 18:29 Fixer or developed for special kind of people 18:29 Fixer non-normies 18:30 * octacian leaves until everyone cools off... 18:30 benrob0329 gimme a dev tree anyday 18:30 benrob0329 Anyways 18:31 benrob0329 octacian: gentoo is stable, modular, well documented, and extremely flexible. 18:31 Fixer gentoo and arch wiki = legendary 18:31 Fixer debian docs are also very very good 18:31 Fixer they are not wiki though 18:32 benrob0329 Your whole system is consistently compiled to suit your needs 18:32 benrob0329 Its like having your own distro, without the LFS 18:33 VanessaE heh 18:33 Krock that's a strange File System 18:33 VanessaE well if you start from Stage 3, sure 18:33 VanessaE but doesn't gentoo still offer Stage 1 for the real hardcore folks? 18:34 benrob0329 probably 18:34 benrob0329 But I don't see why you'd want to do that 18:34 VanessaE I wouldn;'t. 18:34 VanessaE still haven't decided to switch distros yet 18:34 VanessaE however, devuan just made 1.0 stable release.. it was looking kind of inviting 18:35 benrob0329 Gentoo allows you to have your system, be your system. 18:35 * Krock looks at Antergos and wonders how good it is 18:35 benrob0329 No ifs buts er ors about it. 18:35 VanessaE but maybe a few XORs? :) 18:36 benrob0329 If you want there to be :-) 18:36 VanessaE heh 18:36 benrob0329 Like I said, its your system, nor someone elses idea of your system. 18:36 benrob0329 *not 18:36 VanessaE -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -fracing-stripes -ftype-r-sticker 18:37 VanessaE ;) 18:37 benrob0329 I mean you can do that 18:37 VanessaE (I used to use gentoo some years ago, so I'm allowed to make that joke :P ) 18:38 benrob0329 honestly, if you have an afternoon, a laptop or smartphone, and a decent desktoo yoy can install it in an afternoon 18:39 benrob0329 I said afternoon twice 18:39 benrob0329 >.< 18:39 VanessaE well 18:39 VanessaE when or if I do, I'll install it in a VM and then transfer it to the live system maybe 18:39 VanessaE minimize downtime that way 18:39 VanessaE just have to make sure the kernel is generic enough 18:40 benrob0329 You probably don't want to do that 18:40 VanessaE no? 18:40 benrob0329 Hardware specific things 18:40 benrob0329 Compile options 18:40 benrob0329 Etc 18:40 VanessaE yeah I suppose 18:43 Fixer Remove Gentoo 18:43 Fixer gentab 18:43 Fixer "Gun powder trails burn diagonally " Wuzzy 18:43 * red-001 is uninstalling Gentoo 18:45 Fixer VanessaE: is sysvinit really necessary for you? 18:45 benrob0329 rm -rf $(find / | grep !gentoo) 18:45 kilbith you know what 18:45 benrob0329 Fixer: sysvinit? 18:45 benrob0329 We use Systemd or OpenRC 18:45 kilbith we need an attorney and subpoena to decide who goes in credits 18:45 VanessaE Fixer: I don't care much about init systems, but I hate systemd, and I'm no friend of pulseaudio either. 18:46 Fixer ugh, power outage corrupted my lamps test world :/ 18:46 VanessaE (pulseaudio has only one feature I like - it can turn the volume up above 100%) 18:47 Fixer no wait, lamp world is back, just env_meta.txt corrupted 18:47 benrob0329 switching sound carda per program is nice 18:48 benrob0329 But if you don't need that, then your fine 18:48 * benrob0329 uses motherboard sound card for speakers and xlr interface for heaphones 18:52 lumidify #OpenBSDFTW 18:53 Jordach_ >XLR 18:53 Jordach_ *autistic screeching* 18:57 rubenwardy Jordach_, 3/5 of my Steam library supports Linux 18:57 rubenwardy and apart from Source and Skyrim, that's all the games I want to play 18:57 Jordach_ >looks at BF1, Overmeme 18:57 rubenwardy Isn't BF1 source? 18:57 rubenwardy no, I'm thinking of TF2 18:58 rubenwardy I don't like FPS 18:58 rubenwardy apart from half life 18:58 Jordach_ rubenwardy, both Titanfall's are built on the source engine 18:58 rubenwardy wait, source supports linux 18:58 rubenwardy so just Skyrim 19:00 Jordach__ >hotel wifi IP reset again 19:00 Jordach__ *autistic screeching* 19:02 Fixer rubenwardy: source should not be a problem on linux 19:03 benrob0329 Jordach_: can your wimpy mic jack provide 48 volts fantom power to a condenser microphone? 19:03 benrob0329 didn't think so. 19:04 kilbith Source games on linux run thanks to a cheap D3D to OpenGL abstraction layer 19:04 kilbith cold hard truth 19:04 kilbith at least games from the HL² era 19:07 Jordach__ benrob0329, ayy lmao 19:10 Jordach__ benrob0329, fiber optic digital audio is the master rice 19:12 Calinou rubenwardy: neither BF1 nor Overwa 19:12 Calinou nor Overwatch are Source* 19:12 Calinou I think BF1 is Frostbite (not sure), and Overwatch is whatever Blizzard uses in-house 19:24 Fixer kilbith: and HL2 era games run just fine on decade old hardware (i'm oversimplifiying but kinda) 19:24 Jordach__ Calinou, the Blizzard engine seems to be hyper scalable 19:24 Jordach__ hearthstone runs fine on my potato tablet 19:24 Fixer Jordach__: rice? 19:25 Fixer kilbith: so you can do that layer without much worrying since it will literally have 100+ fps on today's hardware 19:26 kilbith Fixer, sure but the porting on linux is kind of half-assed 19:26 kilbith as usual I'd say 19:28 IhrFussel Thanks^^ 19:29 Fixer kilbith: still, it is huge way forward, remember what was 10 years ago 19:30 kilbith I was playing HL² with a 6600GT back then 19:30 Fixer kilbith: me on Radeon 9600 19:30 Fixer XT 19:31 kilbith I got this one too 19:31 kilbith played Far Cry to death with it 19:31 Fixer wait a second... 19:31 kilbith Doom 3 was freaking scary back in the time 19:32 Fixer Far Cry 1 does not even work today on ATI :( 19:32 Fixer i tried it 19:32 Fixer something with textures, ATI HD6870 19:34 Fixer HL was much more scary for me than DOOM 3 19:35 Fixer doom 3 was annoying... because flashlight 19:35 Fixer too dark 19:36 kilbith yeah the gameplay was bad 19:37 kilbith I liked GTA:SA too 19:38 kilbith I feel old now :/ 19:39 Fixer GTA SA is not even old 19:39 kilbith 13 years old 19:39 Fixer i've played on zx spectrum, doom, quake 1/etc, now thats old (c) 19:39 kilbith I've played Alex Kidd on mastersystem, even older 19:41 Fixer 90s were like yesterday 19:41 Fixer 90s - week ago, 2000s - day ago 19:42 kilbith I'm sure 50% of this channel was not even a spermatozoid in the 90s 19:43 Fixer remembering my age adds more to depression 19:43 Fixer true for any person 19:44 Fixer at first you feel young, and then you realise you played doom 20 years ago and for a moment you think: damn I'm old! 19:45 Fixer but not that old yet 19:45 kilbith I broke the counter personally 19:45 kilbith so that I stick to 20 years old in my head 19:45 Fixer nah, we are young in our souls 19:46 Shara Now I'm remembering the music from Alex Kidd... 19:47 Fixer and somebody played rogue or smth on some 70s era machine, he probably thinks by now: holy fuck! i'm probably one feet in my grave! 19:48 kilbith he could ask OC :3 19:48 kilbith *we 19:48 Fixer "Live long and prosper" (c) 19:49 Fixer todays you expected to work up to 65, so here is your young-old limit :D 19:50 Calinou Jordach__: seems to run well, yes 19:50 Fixer the more you think about those issues - more depression you got 19:50 Fixer so better stop thinking 19:50 Calinou I ran Quake 2 at 1080p on an Intel HD 3000 PC yesterday 19:50 Calinou works fine 19:50 Fixer doom players are not that old 19:50 Calinou also ioquake3 19:50 Calinou also GZDoom in software (it doesn't work in OpenGL mode) 19:50 Calinou GZDoom software is cool, it has true freelook (no Y-shearing) and truecolor 19:51 Calinou but sprites are Y-aligned, not XY-aligned, which I'd prefer 19:51 Fixer Calinou: now imagine this, i've played Q2 about 17 years ago on actual PII with actual 3dfx card on actual windows 95, now thats depressing 19:52 Fixer Calinou: it worked fine btw 19:52 Fixer no idea what was the resolution though 19:52 Fixer probably near 640*480 19:53 Fixer Q2 still works on my system, backwards compatibility for the win 19:53 * benrob0329 is still young 19:54 benrob0329 I wont say how young, but probably younger than some :D 19:54 * octacian is younger than all of you :P 19:54 Fixer kilbith: oc is not really that old at all, if he is ~50, he can live another 50 years btw 19:54 Fixer if lucky 19:54 Fixer depends on many factors 19:55 IhrFussel Someone tried to tell me that "Debian has no security holes, Ubuntu does" I don't think that's true 19:55 red-002 lol 19:55 Fixer octacian: kids have sooo much these days 19:55 Jordach__ IhrFussel, `holy shit 19:55 octacian Technically.. He could live another 70 years, but incredibly unlikely. 19:55 octacian heh 19:55 Jordach__ that person must be really really naive 19:55 benrob0329 Fixer: so much crap 19:56 Fixer benrob0329: wat? 19:56 red-002 technically he could be immortal 19:56 benrob0329 Kids theese days have so much crap 19:56 red-002 it's just highly unlikely 19:56 octacian benrob0329: heh, Your mostly right 19:56 IhrFussel Jordach__, I think the person is too overprotective...he also uses Minetest 0.4.13 still because "newer versions are unstable" 19:57 Jordach__ IhrFussel, WAT 19:57 benrob0329 the hell.. 19:57 octacian IhrFussel: Wait... People EXIST that use anything older than 0.4.15? I personally rebuild at least once per week 19:57 Jordach__ Minetest was never really unstable at any point in recent memory 19:57 red-002 who is this?? 19:57 Fixer red-002: depending on many factors, but there are statistical tables, if you are 50... you have 30 years more of expected lifetime, if you are 70 - N years, it is moving forward, it is weird %) 19:57 Fixer Jordach__: it was 19:57 Fixer Jordach__: stall bug 19:58 benrob0329 0.4.12 was the most unstable in years 19:58 octacian Seriously though... 0.4.13? RLY... 19:58 Fixer IhrFussel: so nonsence, newer version does not nec-ry mean it is unstable, because older version are not fixed ;) 19:59 Fixer IhrFussel: debian backports fixes into old version, minetest - is not 19:59 Fixer so you stuck with outdated minetest that is in no way stable 20:00 Fixer the only reason to wait before update is when new version is released and some mods may need (or not) to be adapted, apart from that - no problem 20:00 Fixer LG2 still at 0.4.14.... 20:00 Fixer shara will finally move 20:01 Jordach__ Fixer, he's referring to someone else, not IhrFussel 20:02 Shara But Fixer, moving is effort :) 20:02 Fixer Shara: 060. CYBEREALITYライフ - MAKE A MOVE [2:51] 20:03 VanessaE that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. 20:03 Fixer Shara: VanessaE can update in few clicks, so do you :} 20:03 Shara Fixer: actually I can't. 20:03 Shara My server has taken wrecked set up to the point of being an artform. 20:04 Shara The fact that it works and can have actual players on it at all is an actual miracle. 20:04 IhrFussel He says he knows what he's talking about and that he uses Linux since 2003 etc ... he seems to be pretty stubborn 20:04 Fixer Shara: you should have local copy of your mods, you update them via script and just test on new version, then you backup minetest 0.4.14 instance with world and installing new version 20:05 Fixer IhrFussel: who? 20:05 Shara When I update RC, things will break. Probably with many loud bangs. 20:05 Fixer Shara: not at all 20:05 Fixer Shara: depends on mods 20:05 Shara It's not just about the mods :) 20:06 Shara I actually manage my mods really well. It's just everything else :) 20:06 Fixer Shara: backup (tm)(r)(c) 20:06 Shara I haven't said I don't back up 20:06 IhrFussel Fixer, someone on my server, he also plays on Xanadu I think "Hasi300" (not sure if you ever heard of him or talked to him) 20:06 Fixer Shara: backup and update, let it burn :p 20:06 VanessaE I should turn my scripts into a full minetest server management engine :) 20:06 Shara No point before release 20:07 IhrFussel It all started with "why are the fences no actual fences?" 20:07 Fixer IhrFussel: debian stable is old software that manages too work and has backported security fixes 20:07 VanessaE Fixer: s/stable/stale/ 20:07 Fixer IhrFussel: it may be shitty old unstable software or really good old software 20:07 Calinou Fixer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFYjSkUdfb4 20:07 Calinou Quake 2 console/PC ports video 20:07 Fixer depends on phase of the moon 20:08 Calinou worth a watch 20:08 IhrFussel Isn't Ubuntu also Debian? AFAIK it's a modified Debian 20:08 Fixer Karmak looks young 20:08 Calinou probably him ~20 years ago 20:08 Fixer or it is 90s Karmack :trollface: 20:09 Fixer feels bad man 20:09 Calinou when he had a better car and monitor than you :D 20:09 Fixer Calinou: who the fuck plays Quake on console? 20:09 Calinou no idea, apparently some people did 20:09 Calinou Quake 3 on Dreamcast was a fairly popular thing apparently 20:10 kilbith Fixer, I hope he won't live that old 20:10 Fixer 3dfx voodoo mentioned, nice 20:10 Fixer i may have played on that 20:12 Fixer Calinou: back in the day consoles we had we played Mario, Civisations, Racing, Wrestlemania, but I don't remember any single shooter, only 2D shooter, like Robocop 20:12 Calinou Fixer: I watched the Quake 2 intro video yesterday too 20:12 Calinou it looks kitsch by now :D 20:14 Fixer I HAD SOUND 20 years ago 20:14 Fixer in quake 20:15 Fixer like this if you had sound 20 years ago too 20:15 Fixer listened to some mp3 back then 20:15 Fixer imagine retrieving that files from that HDD 20:15 Fixer checking that bitrate 20:17 Calinou Quake 1/2 did not use MP3 20:17 Calinou they used CD audio 20:17 Calinou the GOG version of Quake 2 music, the Steam version does not for legal reason 20:17 Calinou IIRC, both GOG and Steam versions of Quake 1 lack music 20:17 Calinou (I have the Steam versions of Q1/Q2, so no music for me unless I rip it) 20:18 Fixer Calinou: no, no, i mean listening nonq2 related music in player while playing quake 20:19 Fixer Calinou: music of that era in mp3 in 199X, now thats old (tm) 20:19 Fixer Calinou: before winamp o_o 20:19 Fixer Calinou: we had no CD audio anyway :} 20:21 Fixer dynamic lights were cool 20:22 Calinou Q1/Q2 dynamic lights were sharp, but lightened up dark areas 20:22 Calinou Q3's dynamic lights were smoother, but multiplied the lightmap instead of adding to it (!) 20:22 Calinou dark areas stayed dark, bright areas brightened 20:22 Calinou it's stupid :( 20:22 Calinou apparently it was done for performance reasons, but eg. Jedi Outcast (based on Quake 3 engine) made the lights lighten up dark areas 20:24 Fixer i've played jedi outcast DEMO 20:25 Fixer dl-ed recently full version, but have not played yet 20:27 Fixer Calinou: demo CDs were fun and excitement 20:28 Fixer you actually wanted to buy magazine with CD and check out those demos 20:28 Fixer serious sam, ghost recon, etc etc 20:31 Fixer Calinou: Q3 action was so fast - nobody noticed that stupidity 20:31 Fixer Q1 was quite dark game 20:32 Fixer Q2 was brighter, more lights, that pistol... 20:32 Fixer rememba when game demo was like <100-200 mb? %) 20:32 Fixer do this now 20:33 Fixer 50Gb behemoth 20:35 Fixer i still remember some flight simulator on DOS, that was impressive 20:35 Fixer dat visuals 20:36 Fixer between playing that prehistoric guy :} 20:36 Fixer it looked nice, so colorful 20:36 red-002 hi Miner_48er 20:36 Fixer *warmth* 20:36 red-002 contact and Op'er if you want voice 20:37 red-002 an* 20:37 Fixer not this dull LCD TNFILM crap 20:37 Fixer q2 - 53mb, q3 - 374mb 20:37 Fixer no wait 20:38 Fixer q1 - 53mb, q2 - 374mb 20:38 Fixer q3 around 1 gb 20:38 Fixer with some mods 20:39 Fixer Hitman 47 demo colorized 20:41 Calinou Q2 .pak files are around 200 MB 20:42 Calinou Q3 around 480 MB 20:42 Calinou 50 MB for Q1 (pak0 + pak1) 20:42 Calinou Fixer: I was looking for Midtown Madness 1/2 and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2/3/4 yesterday 20:42 Calinou couldn't find them for PC 20:42 Fixer eduke32 1.66gb... mods 20:42 Calinou they are not sold anymore, even on Steam/GOG it seems :'( 20:42 Calinou I played these when I was young 20:43 Calinou they all work in WINE apparently 20:43 Fixer Calinou: i've played Tony Hawk's Pro Skater $someversion back then :} 20:43 Miner_48er hi red 20:43 Fixer Calinou: i have it 20:43 Calinou I had THPS3 multiplayer once, was great 20:43 Calinou there was a stage where you could grind infinitely 20:43 Fixer Calinou: THPS3 20:43 Calinou and get millions of points 20:43 Calinou THPS3 was the Quake 3 of skating :D 20:43 Fixer Calinou: will pm you a link 20:44 red-002 so what brings you here Miner_48er ? 20:49 Miner_48er checking on the discussions to see what's changing 20:50 Calinou yay, classic Quake Live freezetag (ie. non-instagib) is going on 20:50 Calinou …but the server is full, you are in a queue to play 20:50 Calinou I'm 3rd in queue right now :( 21:01 Fixer Calinou: i've recognised the level from THPS3, indeed I've played it back then 21:03 Calinou Fixer: IIRC THPS3 has Doomguy easter egg 21:03 Calinou you can play him as a skater 21:03 Calinou (it's the Q3 model) 21:10 Jordach__ Calinou, no 21:10 Jordach__ THUG[1/2] 21:12 Fixer Calinou: https://thirteenag.github.io/wfp#thps3 21:14 Calinou hmm, thanks 21:17 Fixer GTA SA has no widescreen support? o.O 21:20 Calinou nope 21:20 Calinou heck, Doom 3 did not IIRC 21:20 Calinou (not sure)à 21:20 Calinou -à 21:20 Calinou but Half-Life 2 did 21:20 Calinou it took devs (even the ones with widescreens, like Carmack) a lot of time to care about widescreen 21:21 Fixer and people like me and VanessaE still use noncrippled screens :p 21:22 Fixer if only I had 1600x1200 resolution 21:22 VanessaE if it ain't a movie, fuck widescreen. 21:22 VanessaE Fixer: Dell 2001FP 21:22 VanessaE 1600x1200, ~20" diagonal 21:22 Calinou I like widescreen 21:22 Fixer VanessaE: widescreen is good in excel, movies and other stuff though, but nonwidescreen is good for other cases 21:22 VanessaE they're cheap on eBay, or they were when i got these 21:22 Calinou though I would have liked to see more 16:10 or 3:2 options for laptops 21:23 Fixer i want 16:10, extra height, but they cost shitton 21:23 Calinou there's no consumer 16:10 displays anymore 21:23 Calinou especially in high resolutions 21:23 Fixer Calinou: at least 16:10 1920*1280 21:23 Calinou 2560×1440 gives you more height though 21:23 Calinou in pixels 21:23 Calinou but to use it without scaling, you need 32" or something :P 21:23 Calinou (like I have) 21:23 Calinou so you have more usable vertical real estate than a 1920×1200 21:23 Fixer yeah, but i don't that much width 21:23 Calinou and much more horizontal, too 21:24 Calinou splitting windows horizontally finally becomes comfortable 21:25 Fixer it is harder to multitask on 4:3/5:4 21:25 Fixer on the other hand multitasking can be bad 21:25 Calinou anyway, thanks for widescreen fix list 21:25 Fixer it is tempting to read IRC and watch some lets play 21:25 * Calinou bookmarks 21:25 Fixer but then quality of your attention goes down a lot 21:26 Fixer i would like some 16:10 with some bad ass resolution :} 21:27 Calinou I have 2 monitors anyway 21:27 Calinou I multitask quite often :P 21:27 Calinou Fixer: 3840×2400 technically exists, but is nowhere to be found at reasonable prices 21:27 Calinou same for 4096×2160 ("true 4K") 21:28 Fixer Calinou: ok, by bad ass i mean 1920*1200 %) 21:28 Fixer Calinou: 24" Dell UltraSharp U2412M Black , hmm 21:28 Fixer resolution is too smal 21:28 Fixer l 21:28 Fixer i mean size 21:28 Fixer fuck 21:28 Calinou Dell had a 3840×2160, OLED, 120 Hz display, 32" (I think) 21:28 Fixer eizo monitors... hmmm 21:28 Calinou but the price was "only Carmack can buy it", aka. €5,000, and it's no longer produced 21:29 Calinou that said, I'd like to have > 60 Hz as my next upgrade 21:29 Calinou but 3840×2160 (which I'd really like on desktop) and > 60 Hz is going to be truly hard and expensive to find 21:29 Calinou maybe in 3 years? 21:30 Fixer Calinou: i don't have that powerful videocard 21:31 Fixer i'm fine with 1920*1200, ati hd6870 should handle this more or less in minetest :trollface: 21:31 Fixer i don't play new games anyway 21:31 Fixer since disk size requirements are immense 21:32 Fixer Calinou: still waiting for final MechWarrior 3 fix... 21:36 Fixer Carmack had amazing 2536*1536 monitors in 199X iirc 21:37 Fixer iirc 21:38 Fixer or something near it 21:38 Fixer 16:9 CRT o.O 21:39 Fixer ah, he had 1920*1080 22:08 Fixer 2017 https://twitter.com/MariaConchita_A/status/849795520243433473 22:16 Calinou KaadmY, Fixer: https://lut.im/g5P0yWFgEO/KZk1RzxcHtLqHsLk.png 22:16 Calinou I remember the cheat code for it, didn't have to look it up :D 22:16 Calinou (I think you can guess what it is) 22:16 Fixer nice 22:32 benrob0329 the emoji movie...is a thing 22:33 benrob0329 Tge 22:33 benrob0329 The FRIGGEN EMOJI movie 22:33 NathanS21 it is a thing, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing 22:33 benrob0329 No, its not a good thing 22:34 NathanS21 just like the poo emoji pillows 22:34 benrob0329 And to think that I thought cartoons were going downhill a few years ago.. 22:35 benrob0329 Oh...oh boy was I naive to what was in store 22:38 Jordach__ benrob0329, N O R M I E T R A S H 22:39 benrob0329 ｈｏｌｌｙｗｏｏｄ＀ｃｒａｐ 22:41 benrob0329 Oh btw matrix now syncs irc presence properly 22:42 shivajiva 2017-05-29 00:40:02: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "module" accessed at /usr/share/lua/5.1/ltn12.lua:14 22:43 shivajiva any ideas? 22:52 VaultyLappy well methinks someone used lua 22:53 Calinou benrob0329: https://xkcd.com/1813/ 22:53 Calinou ;) 22:54 benrob0329 Calinou: lol 22:54 benrob0329 What will we do when xkcd is no longer being produced? 22:54 Calinou truth will stop existing on Earth? :( 22:54 Shara Cry 22:54 VanessaE recycle old issues? :) 22:55 benrob0329 We'll just have to convince his son to continue the legacy 23:08 red-002 bit offtopic but who was landmine? 23:09 red-002 he seemed to host some servers? 23:10 VanessaE red-002: a troll. 23:10 VaultyLappy heres a question 23:10 VanessaE practically professional level 23:10 VaultyLappy say you had someone who said they'd host a server for you 23:11 VaultyLappy but suddenly their internet isnt set up 23:11 VaultyLappy and every week they say oh ill confront them and have it sorted 23:11 red-002 ah so they where in the same business? 23:11 VaultyLappy and this guy continues for 6 weeks would you say this person is full of crap? 23:11 red-002 yes 23:11 VaultyLappy thank you 23:11 VanessaE VaultyLappy: I would say they're highly unreliable at best 23:12 VanessaE "full of crap" is a bit strong, but it depends on the person 23:12 red-002 ^ 23:12 red-002 anyway you don't want to trust them with server hosting 23:12 VanessaE agreed. 23:13 VaultyLappy thanks 23:13 red-002 wow elitebnc sure gets a lot of hate 23:13 VaultyLappy my friends been getting bs with the same excuses for 6 weeks 23:14 red-002 they had to suspend issuing accounts again due to ddos attacks, etc 23:14 VanessaE definitely find a better host then, VaultyLappy 23:14 VanessaE who's elitebnc? 23:15 VaultyLappy thank you I appreciate the input alot 23:15 VaultyLappy I had many people barking at me saying how in the wrong I was for saying it wasnt right and hes a bad host 23:15 diegom ｈｏｌｌｙｗｏｏｄ＀ｃｒａｐ 23:16 diegom for the last time, fix your damn script :P 23:16 diegom full-width space is U+3000, not U+FF00 23:16 red-002 VaultyLappy, a znc-based irc bouncer service 23:17 red-002 ehh 23:17 red-002 tab failure 23:17 Fixer how you even type this.... 23:17 red-002 VanessaE, ^ 23:17 VanessaE red-002: oh ok. I just use znc itself 23:17 VanessaE (with the bouncer running on daconcepts.com) 23:17 diegom oh, benrob's not here 23:18 red-002 I guess if you have a server already thats the best choice 23:18 diegom wait he is 23:18 red-002 if you don't want to pay for a server it's either this or a free shell/vps 23:18 Fixer U+FF00 23:19 diegom ｍａｇｉｃ 23:19 VaultyLappy red-002, eh just issues with people but thanks 23:19 rubenwardy I have a server already, just CBA to set it up 23:19 diegom ｍａｇｉｃ　ｗｉｔｈ　ｓｐａｃｅｓ 23:19 VaultyLappy rubenwardy, noice 23:20 diegom Fixer, hexchat? 23:20 Fixer quassel 23:20 rubenwardy need to dockerize my server at some point 23:20 diegom oh :( 23:20 rubenwardy or somehow script it 23:20 diegom no scripting I guess 23:20 rubenwardy I want to be able to ditch my current VPS and switch to a new one at a moments notice if I need to 23:44 Fixer http://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/We-can-rebuild-him.-More-dickish-than-ever-before..png 23:59 Fixer http://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/all-the-more-reason-to-continue-drinking.png