Time Nick Message 00:49 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/user/TheMarcAPullen/featured 00:49 Calinou hmm, today I learned that an artist I knew for a long time (from Sauerbraten) still does music today! 00:49 Calinou he even has howto videos it seems 00:49 Calinou the view count is low :'( 00:51 Calinou I know about him since 2008, download all of his albums in MP3 form (except one) on Last.fm back when it was available for free 00:51 Calinou (if anyone wants, ask me) 00:52 Calinou this guy made me like metal :D 00:54 Calinou his full albums are also on YouTube (everything on the same video), it can surely be youtube-dl'd and ripped to audio only but then you'd need to split tracks 00:55 Calinou they probably are of higher quality, at least some of them, the description says that they come from a WAV source 00:58 KaadmY Nice music 00:59 KaadmY Any idea if he allow the music to be distributed/used in games? 01:15 Calinou KaadmY: yes, it has a CC BY-like license 01:15 Calinou his Bandcamp lists albums as CC BY-SA 01:16 Calinou so, it is freely licensed, even though the license is not that formal (if you read the video descriptions) 01:16 Calinou should be fine, if you give credit, I guess 01:16 Calinou time to make "Beyond" from Random Thoughts the official Minetest score? :D 01:16 rubenwardy wooo, just set up a fancy email address: ruben@rubenwardy.com 01:17 KaadmY thanks for mail adress can i have money plese 01:17 KaadmY i need money in nigeria, help stuck in airport 01:17 Calinou Hello from minetest prince 01:17 Calinou Your inquiry for mese 01:17 KaadmY hello brother 01:17 KaadmY can i have countr strik 01:17 Calinou RECEIPT FOR FLY PRIVILEGE PURCHASE 01:17 Calinou :P 01:25 Calinou this is Beyond, https://youtu.be/UGWsNDypDxw?t=1626 01:25 Calinou jumpscare included! 01:25 Calinou (I was wondering WTF was happening when I first listened to it) 01:26 KaadmY Yeah LOL 01:27 Calinou :D 01:28 KaadmY > This 16-bit world is yours, I watch you from 200 node viewing distance 01:28 KaadmY > Look up the sky and see no end until 32k nodes 01:32 shivajiva Gn folks have a good one o/ 01:38 Calinou surprisingly, this app seems to be still available…? https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cube/id292763299?mt=8 01:38 Calinou (Cube port to iPhone) 01:38 Calinou it dates back in the iPhone OS 2.x era, 3.x at best. 01:38 Calinou it ran like crap back then; 10 FPS was common on medium-sized SP maps with monsters visible 01:38 Calinou I tried it on an iPad 1 once, had 30 FPS most of the time, but it ran at iPhone resolution since it was last updated in 2009-08-08 01:39 Calinou I thought Apple removed all not-IPv6-compliant apps 01:39 Calinou the port does feature multiplayer functionality but it won't work out of the box, IIRC 04:39 * Jordach meows 06:20 Raven262 Yep 06:25 Raven262 xD 07:13 Raven262 Hello LazyJ 07:13 LazyJ Howdy Raven262 ;) 07:39 CWz sup 07:42 Shara Morning all 07:42 Raven262 Greetings, Shara. 07:42 Jordach morning from London, Shara 07:42 Shara I see there is more stuff again. :( 07:42 Raven262 Stuff? 07:43 Shara If anyone here is responsible for ddosing him, please stop. It doesn't help. 07:43 Shara And that is all I'm going to say on the topic. 07:44 * Shara hands everyone some doughnuts 07:44 Raven262 As far as I'm concerned from now on, OC exists no more. 07:44 Shara Hmm, what caused that? 07:45 Raven262 ... 07:45 Shara Okay. 07:45 Raven262 I can show you the discussion me an lumidify had on this. 07:45 Shara It's your choice. 07:46 Shara I certainly won't push for anything you don't want to share. 07:48 Raven262 I just want a second opinion of what i did. 08:19 Raven262 Fuchs, I have something to report concerning OldCoder and his doings. 08:19 Raven262 A chat log to be more precise. 08:21 Raven262 Ah i forgot the [off] 08:21 Raven262 Red already pasted it but i think it should be brought to closer attention. 08:32 Raven262 Greetings, paramat. 08:34 shivajiva Good morning folks :) 08:34 Raven262 Hello shivajiva 08:35 Raven262 Will the [off] hold if i paste multiple lines? 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692184 <OldCoder> 4th attempt total 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692188 <OldCoder> Tell our MT friends it failed 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692196 <OldCoder> And I've got legal justification now 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692203 <OldCoder> To do pretty much anything on Freenode 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692221 <OldCoder> I'm discussing shutting down PIA web domains 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692224 <OldCoder> wtih DreamHost 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692229 <OldCoder> the registrar for PIA 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692233 <OldCoder> which now owns Freenode 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692241 <OldCoder> They will dig in their heels; might take a year 08:36 Raven262 T 1495692247 <OldCoder> I'm patient 08:36 Raven262 heh 08:36 Raven262 guess not 08:36 Raven262 But who cares, he already know we have that. 08:36 Raven262 *knows 10:21 * Jordach meows at Shara 11:13 nerzhul hi off 11:13 nerzhul haha 11:25 nerzhul hi shivajiva 11:27 benrob0329 Hello all :-) 11:29 benrob0329 export OFF="FALSE" 11:29 rubenwardy claiming that off is a boolean??? 11:30 rubenwardy That could get you killed in here! 11:30 rubenwardy :P 11:30 Raven262 xD 11:40 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/7cUL1HKfTK0 12:37 Krock why, shivajiva? 12:40 shivajiva wtf 12:50 paramat surely you are notified why? seems odd 12:55 paramat phew 12:55 DS-minetest what is the max_hear_distance of a sound when a player places a node? 12:55 VanessaE depends on the setting of the node 12:56 VanessaE I think typical you'd want like 10 or 15m 12:56 paramat erm 12:56 DS-minetest default doesn't set it 12:56 VanessaE oh the actual placement action 12:56 VanessaE that's only audible to you isn't it? 12:56 DS-minetest or do even other players hear it when a player places something? >_< 12:57 Krock if you specify a hear distance, it will also be sent to the other players close to you 12:57 DS-minetest and if not? 12:57 Krock then it's only hearable for you 12:57 DS-minetest ok 12:58 paramat can you specify a hear distance for node placement? 12:59 Krock oh. SimpleSoundSpec and 'sound parameter table' are two different things 12:59 Krock first is for node placements, 2nd for sound_play 13:00 paramat maybe you can in 'function default.node_sound_defaults(table)' > 'table.place = table.place or {name = "default_place_node_hard", gain = 1.0}' 13:00 paramat dunno 13:10 * twoelk imagines walking past a construction site with many players placing blocks at the same time 13:21 VanessaE sofar: 2017-05-25 15:20:56: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Runtime error from mod 'inspector' in callback on_chat_message(): ...minetest/worlds/Basic_World/worldmods/inspector/init.lua:28: attempt to perform arithmetic on field 'y' (a nil value) 13:22 VanessaE (he was near Basic's spawn at the time, so Y shouldn't have been out of range) 13:23 VanessaE "[05-25 09:21] /inspect crashed" 13:33 paramat mod issue? 13:33 VanessaE idk. 13:33 VanessaE it's one of sofar's 13:37 * Wayward_One peeks in 13:39 CWz eek that stone cold stare 13:42 Wayward_One lol 13:42 Wayward_One hi all :) 13:42 VanessaE hi 13:42 DS-minetest hi 13:43 * benrob0329 drops a pack of bagels on the table 13:43 * VanessaE slides a toaster next to the bag, and puts out a bowl of cream cheese 13:43 VanessaE (anyone got some lox?)_ 13:44 * benrob0329 pulls turkey and cheese out of the fridge 13:45 * DS-minetest gets some water and a fish from a river nearby 13:46 benrob0329 If we had a convention, the food would be...interesting 14:08 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/HfeervqhY9Y 14:09 DS-minetest Jeija is still the best cook of the minetest community https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znRX_VLuUHg 14:10 * paramat pipes in some liquid oxygen 14:28 Fixer GTA SA is Legendary 14:28 Fixer can confirm 14:29 Fixer GTA SA MP is even more legendary 14:31 nerzhul +1 14:32 Fixer i had so much fun on SAMP 14:34 Fixer chaos, police vs gungs vs all, plains vs plains vs plaines, suicide bombers 14:34 Fixer tank battles, so epic 14:35 Fixer car vs car full of gang members including on the roof 14:35 Fixer trully epic multiplayer 14:36 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbUMVq4pY94 14:41 benrob0329 Top comment is awesome. 14:44 Fixer i rided the train 14:45 Fixer and followed it as well 14:46 benrob0329 Load it uo into gmod and ragdoll rope to it 14:52 Fixer servers: 45885 players 15:06 red-001 sure 16:13 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2uhF_4Yz5o ridiculous 16:17 cx384 lol 16:31 Fixer one more and I will stop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuvUgaLxemg 16:33 Calinou GTA SA MP is even more legendary 16:33 Calinou I played a bit of Multi Theft Auto 16:34 Calinou unfortunately, most players are kids and the game is a mess 16:34 Calinou GTA Online (ie. the thing you find in GTA V) is slightly better in that regard, but people are still kids on it 16:34 Fixer had better experience, also, you can troll kids in various ways 16:35 Fixer My Antiaircraft Troll near Hydras was epic 16:36 Fixer PartyServer some years ago 16:38 Fixer AA also had negative side effect of rockets blowing up near me 16:38 Fixer randomly 16:38 Fixer had a lot of fun on that server 16:38 Fixer too bad it died down 16:43 ircSparky Yea I've been downloading GTAV for a few days now 16:43 ircSparky 12.75/68 GB 16:43 ircSparky can someone give me faster internet? :P 16:46 Fixer no 16:46 Calinou ircSparky: I had it but no longer have it, since it does not run in WINE currently 16:47 Fixer install size is insane 16:47 Fixer GTA SA installed is 4.75GB 16:48 Shara Hello all 16:49 garywhite hi Shara 16:50 ircSparky man, thats a pretty steep difference 16:50 Fixer ircSparky: yep 16:50 Fixer ircSparky: now install like 10 games of such size... 16:51 Fixer what is good about windows is backw compatibility, I can literally run game from 199X without any problems, including 3D ones 16:52 Fixer some games like RTCW needed some patches for new windowses 16:53 benrob0329 And I can use a serial terminal from 1972 16:53 benrob0329 what's your point? 17:00 Fixer backward compatibility 17:00 benrob0329 Like how windows 10 broke most apps? 17:01 Fixer not that crap 17:01 nerzhul i can run a FreeBSD 4.1 program on FreeBSD 11 17:01 nerzhul it was release in 2000 :p 17:02 benrob0329 I should try to compile the original vi from source :PP 17:02 nerzhul benrob0329, easy, it's included in freebsd base haha 17:02 benrob0329 The bsd rewrite it 17:02 nerzhul benrob0329, => https://github.com/qrush/unix 17:02 benrob0329 I'm talking the unmodified dource 17:02 nerzhul just compile that 17:02 benrob0329 *source 17:02 Calinou Fixer: someone told me the original UT2004 Linux binaries still work 17:02 Calinou I never tried; here I just run the game in WINE 17:03 Fixer UT2004 is great game btw, have it for win 17:03 Calinou anyway, one more reason for people to publish source code :P 17:03 nerzhul they publish source code, not graphics, most of the time 17:03 Calinou this is enough to make it work on modern systems and fix bugs and security issues 17:03 Calinou you just have to buy/download the original data somewhere :P 17:03 Calinou doesn't have to be legit, too :P 17:04 benrob0329 nerzhul: http://ex-vi.sourceforge.net/ 17:07 Fixer Calinou: say big thanks for IdSoftware, for opening a lot of stuff 17:08 benrob0329 Is the origanal doom open source? 17:09 Fixer they open sources some engines, that gave us things like ioquake, etc, Calinou knows better 17:09 Fixer sourced* 17:09 Fixer need to slow down my typing - making lots of errors 17:13 Calinou Fixer: yeah but other companies didn't follow :( 17:13 Calinou benrob0329: yep 17:13 Calinou https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_source_code 17:13 Calinou initially non-commercial only, then GPL 17:14 Calinou tons of source ports, https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Source_port 17:14 Calinou only 5-6 are really worth a look right now though 17:15 benrob0329 Most source mods I've seen are wi dows only 17:15 Calinou no, they almost all work on Linux 17:16 Calinou I can run Zandronum, GZDoom (GPL since last month!), Doomsday Engine, PrBoom+, Chocolate Doom… on Linux 17:16 Calinou on an unrelated note, I compiled eduke32 on Linux and it works 17:16 Calinou music works via a small tweak too 17:17 Calinou the game technically isn't open source (some portions don't allow commercial use) but source is available 17:17 Calinou https://lut.im/59xFCQLGrd/1eCL7qPkEolhlp6t.png 17:17 Calinou (Duke Nukem 3D) 17:21 Calinou the trend of open sourcing engines unfortunately died because the number of proprietary third-party dependencies increased a lot in the last 15 years 17:21 Calinou and because there's common thinking (not necessarily false) that it makes "piracy" easier 17:21 CWz_ today i learnt my lesson 17:21 Calinou (any game with its engine released is basically DRM-free, you can remove all checks) 17:21 CWz_ never open a 25mb txt file with abiward 17:21 Fixer rabiward 17:22 Fixer Calinou: pfff, cracked exe all the way 17:22 Fixer Calinou: if it is great game with open sourced engine, its legacy will live on for much longer 17:22 Calinou yes 17:22 Calinou good luck telling that to gamedevs who want to sell their latest games and nothing else 17:23 Calinou very few game devs treat their old games with respect; even I is not ideal in this 17:23 Calinou id Software* 17:23 Calinou lol, "even I is"… 17:23 Calinou nice typo 17:23 Fixer sometimes it is goes in reverse, you have assets, and you do open source engine and you then do open sourced assets - OpenTTD 17:23 Fixer and OTTD is awesome 17:23 Calinou reimplementations are possible but they take years to make 17:23 Calinou and to make them work well 17:23 Fixer I hope OpenXCOM will also get open source assets in future, but not sure if there are any plans 17:24 Fixer it is another great thrilling game 17:54 Calinou most reimplementations do not even *plan* having open source asset replacements 17:54 Calinou artists are scarce, even scarcer than 10 years ago because doing art is basically not a hobby for anyone anymore 17:55 Calinou requesting free artists is poorly regarded now 17:55 Calinou artists are scared of free culture licenses, too 18:09 paramat a large majority of artists do it as a hobby, it's very difficult to make a living from it 18:16 nerzhul https://www.sparkfun.com/news/2394?utm_content=54875643&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter 18:16 Calinou paramat: hmm… I'm not convinced 18:16 Calinou the good artists all are semi-professionals at least 18:16 Calinou the shit ones, obviously they're hobbyists, they can't be anything better :) 18:16 Calinou (not that Minetest has very good artists, by the way) 18:16 Calinou (some are decent, but none are great) 18:17 Shara Every project I was involved with... artists are always the hardest thing to find 18:17 Calinou this ^ 18:18 Shara You can find okay people for most other roles if you work hard enough, but artists.... 18:21 twoelk good art is often quite personal. you don't want to give it away for free and have everybody mess about with it, maybe reversing the exact effect you had carefully designed 18:22 Shara twoelk: exactly 18:22 Fixer i'm glad OpenTTD worked out, totally open source continuation of legend 18:22 Shara I used to draw, and though I was certainly far from among the best, even I didn't like to give drawings away 18:24 nerzhul many guys are doing things as artists, but many of them work as artist, AAA games needs many of them 18:26 red-001 oh lol our friends site has gotten too big to screenshot 18:27 red-001 (he added more stuff to it) 18:27 Fixer Calinou: btw, about texture filtering 18:27 Fixer # When using bilinear/trilinear/anisotropic filters, low-resolution textures 18:27 Fixer # can be blurred, so automatically upscale them with nearest-neighbor 18:27 Fixer # interpolation to preserve crisp pixels. 18:28 Fixer last time I enabled trilinear it was blurry as hell, now where is crisp pixels automatic upscale thing? since it is automatic... where is it? 18:35 Krock # texture_min_size = 64 18:36 Fixer ok, apparently it works but has small effect on crispiness, you need something like texture_min_size = 256... 18:39 Fixer trilinear + mipmaps = myopia 18:42 red-001 friend* 18:42 red-001 friend's* 18:53 Calinou Shara: good sound designers are also ridiculously hard to find 18:53 Calinou that job is true black magic 18:53 Calinou not just musicians, but people who make sounds from scratch 18:53 Calinou guns, powerups, etc 18:53 Shara Calinou: Yes, I know. 18:54 Shara I've actually considered trying that myself, since I find the idea quite interesting, but don't currently have the equipment for it. 18:55 Calinou you need hardware, software, and tons of theory 18:57 Calinou - What do you call a security gaurd at Samsung stores? 18:57 Calinou - Guardians of the galaxy. 18:57 Calinou heard this today :D 18:57 Calinou guard* 19:00 red-001 I will take note when Guardians of the galaxy 7 come out 19:03 Shara Calinou: I've played around with sound editing quite a lot previously, so it's mostly the hardware (and then of course the test of whether I'd actually have any skill :P) 19:05 Krock Calinou, successfully spread this one. :D 19:05 paramat professional does not equal 'good artist'. many excellent artists cannot make a living from it because that is what the world is like, art is often highly uncommercial 19:05 Calinou most professionals are decent artists 19:05 Calinou some excellent artists are not pros, yes 19:06 Calinou this is by far an exception, not a rule 19:06 Calinou some artwork released for free is of very high quality and stands out from the crowd 19:06 Calinou (example: Misa's Minecraft texture pack) 19:07 Shara Ability to make money as an artist depends on flexibility as well as skill alone. 19:07 Shara I've known at least oen extremely good artist who was so narrow in his focus that he wouldn't try anything else :( 19:07 Shara one* 19:07 Shara So he'll probably never make any money 19:10 paramat depends what you mean by 'good artist', i would not call pop music good art, but it is highly commercial and makes lots of money. 'true art' that is completely true to an artist's uncompromising uncommercial vision is rarely able to make money, and many artists would not want money involved to potentially spoil it through commercial pressure 19:10 Fixer Calinou: eh, I've helplessly tried to locate misa for beta 1.7.3 without luck :( 19:10 Calinou Fixer: Misa herself is 404 anyway 19:10 Calinou apparently not dead, though 19:11 Calinou (since 2013) 19:11 Fixer there were newer packs I had 19:11 Calinou the pack itself is CC BY-NC 3.0, with some fully-proprietary exceptions for eg. random mobs and alternate textures 19:11 Calinou I got permission from her to port it to Minetest back in 2011-09 19:11 paramat i have had very many friends who are talented musicians, none can make a living from it 19:11 Calinou making living from a music is impossible now anyway 19:11 paramat it usually costs them time and money 19:12 Calinou yes 19:12 Fixer paramat: market does not want talent, it needs stuff to sell to "sheeple" with poor taste 19:13 paramat not impossible, anyone can now self distribute and sell through the internet, much better than the old days of corrupt record companies and contracts 19:13 Fixer exception is underground, since it was never about sales imho but about experimenting 19:13 paramat exactly 19:15 paramat and none of my friends were able to make a living from music before the internet either 19:18 twoelk I know a lot of people who earn an extra dime with music but only one actually is capable of feeding his family 19:19 twoelk he does have an extra non musician job in the industry though ;-P 19:22 Calinou paramat: but who will buy enough music from your Bandcamp to make a living out of it? 19:23 Fixer Calinou: market is oversaturated 19:23 Calinou this ^ 19:23 Fixer and people expect it to cost like 1usd at most 19:23 Fixer look appshitstores 19:23 Fixer it is mess 19:24 Fixer we ended up in sea of shit with island of good stuff 19:24 twoelk live performance is the way most really make mony 19:24 Fixer for windows it is sysinternals, nirsoft, irfanview, vlc, foobar, etc as examples 19:24 Shara No one wants to pay for art. Many many people want to produce stuff-they-call-art. Result is what we now have... 19:24 paramat Calinou i agree, but it was also near-impossible before the internet 19:25 Fixer also depends on where market is located, its size, etc 19:26 Calinou Shara: "no one wants to pay for art" is a tad wrong, I find 19:26 Fixer who needs brilliant stuff like Ray Coniff today? nah, lets produce FuckMeFuckFuckFuck me with big boobs 19:26 Calinou plenty of artist Patreons get a lot of money 19:26 Fixer singing boobs* 19:26 Calinou it is not entirely wrong; I never pay for culture of any kind, except once last year for a free culture artists 19:26 paramat lol 19:26 Calinou I also used to never pay for software, but I bought some games last year and this year on Steam still 19:26 Calinou (unfortunate…) 19:27 Fixer East Europe never was too 19:27 Fixer i have some geniunly looking stuff, but I'm still not sure if this for real, or nice counterfeat :} 19:28 Calinou yeah, Russian/Ukraine are notorious for acquiring everything illegally :P 19:28 Fixer China 19:28 Fixer even russia is overshadowed by China, by a huge margin 19:29 Fixer Calinou: there were not much legal places to buy after all 19:29 Shara Calinou: It's about the general viewpoint. It doesn't mean no one will pay, but it does mean not enough will. 19:29 twoelk chinese just have a different concept of copyright :-P 19:29 Fixer Calinou: where do you think I got my CD of Half-Life 1? 19:29 Calinou I have no ethical objections to "pirating" things personally 19:29 Calinou I don't see it as something morally wrong; in fact, it even may be the right thing to do in some cases 19:29 Calinou ("cooperation is more important than copyright", Richard Stallman once said) 19:30 Fixer i bought it in store, disc had fancy stickers to show it is "genuine", but everyone knows it was all pirated and sold en mass 19:30 Calinou (Richard Stallman isn't just a man who tells you to say "GNU/Linux" instead of "Linux"; he also advocates for copyright reduction, an activity far less known than "free software" promotion itself) 19:30 Calinou lots of people will surely disagree with me, or even call me an evil person, but that's how I see it 19:31 Fixer Calinou: also, users-pirates-HARHAR have big advantage in comparison to legal guys 19:31 Fixer Calinou: not just price 19:31 Fixer Calinou: you have no ads, can convert, copy, do whatever you like with it 19:32 Fixer or books 19:32 Fixer immense options here 19:32 Fixer pdfs 19:32 Calinou "arrr! I pirate the things and surf the Web!" 19:32 Fixer there are million leaked scientific articles in wild now 19:32 Calinou also, yes; unlegit media is DRM-free by definition 19:32 Fixer btw 19:33 Fixer people expect: i bought stuff - i do whatever I want with it, but then assholes come in and say you can't cut ads, rewind, convert etc, and that part is pissing off 19:33 Fixer same with OS 19:33 Calinou yes, if more things were DRM-free I would be more inclined to buy them 19:33 Calinou with games though, there is no real alternative 19:34 Calinou multiplayer almost always requires you to buy a legitimate copy 19:34 twoelk one might not mind someone using one's art, but if some company uses it to advertise something one does not stand for - just imagine your work of art for ever associated with something you consider wrong or bad - shudder 19:34 Calinou and many games are Steam-only now 19:34 Fixer Calinou: not always, there are hacked servers :} 19:34 Calinou twoelk: you can claim moral rights violation, even with a free culture work 19:34 Calinou if someone uses your CC BY-licensed music in a beheading video, you can claim moral rights for this, likely 19:34 Calinou you cannot surrender your moral rights and they are perpetual 19:34 Calinou (at least in France) 19:34 twoelk good luck trying that Calinou 19:35 Calinou it still is technically possible 19:35 Fixer Calinou: also, required connection to internet also pisses a lot of people, reasonably 19:35 Calinou this would likely happen with a non-free work anyway; the people making such videos don't care about copyright already 19:35 Fixer not sure about kiddies, but I expect stuff to work out of network, anywhere where I go 19:36 Fixer I simply copy $INSTALLDIR of the game to new location and play 19:37 Fixer a lot of games simply works even without registry info, which is excellent 19:37 Fixer also, there is a lot of abandonware, that should be clearly free to redistr 19:37 Calinou copyright lasts far too long right now 19:37 Fixer yep 19:38 Fixer death + 80 years iirc 19:38 Calinou Julia Reda was on the right track, but she lost traction and what she proposed (life + 50 years) was still far too long 19:38 Calinou right now it is life + 70 years 19:38 Calinou or life + 100 years in France if you "died for France" 19:38 Calinou this is why "le Petit Prince" (a famous novel) did not fall into public domain in 2015 19:38 red-001 Calinou, thats a strange law 19:38 Calinou because its author, Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, fought in WWII 19:38 Calinou so he gets 100 years of copyright after death and not 70 years 19:39 Fixer nobody cares though, that is the reason why the law is too strict, it does not work, since everyone can be sued 19:39 Fixer it must be relaxed, it is out of reality 19:39 Calinou I don't think I'll see copyright reduction in my life anyway 19:40 Calinou so far, copyright has only been extended 19:40 Fixer yeah 19:40 nerzhul Rights are 70 years in france Calinou 19:40 Calinou if you make a work while you are 20 years old, you live until you're 90, you get 140 years of copyright usually 19:40 Calinou 140 fucking years 19:40 Fixer but, it may be realised it swinged into one side too much 19:40 Fixer eventually 19:40 nerzhul yeah your child get money for your work, it's quite sutpid 19:40 Calinou with today's politicians, probably not 19:41 Calinou nerzhul: your grand-grand-children too probablyt 19:41 Calinou sometimes grand-grand-grand-children 19:42 twoelk in the old days artists learned by copying the masters - they might go to jail if they tried to start a career that way today 19:42 Calinou "Good artists copy, great artists steal" —Picasso 19:45 Fixer ah 19:45 Fixer ah 19:46 paramat Shara is your github avatar one of your drawings? 19:57 Shara paramat: yes 19:57 Shara a very, very old one 19:58 paramat ahh i wondered, it is an intense eye, nice 19:59 Shara Bad quality scan sadly, and the original drawing was quite badly damaged since 20:01 benrob0329 I would pay for music etc if more of it were under free licenses 20:01 Calinou this ^ 20:01 Calinou crowdfunding is also a big problem 20:01 Calinou people back things (and you are expected to, too) that are everything but common goods 20:01 benrob0329 Like, I'm planning on buying all of Incompetech's (Kevin M 20:01 Calinou profits are private, and the license is restrictive 20:02 Calinou (no, I am not communist) 20:02 benrob0329 ) music 20:02 benrob0329 No, clearly not 20:03 benrob0329 I'm fine with people making money 20:03 benrob0329 Its somewhat necessary 20:03 benrob0329 But once I buy it, its mine 20:03 Fixer yeah 20:04 benrob0329 I'm willing to pay a bit more for it, but I don't want to worry about drm, videos, multiple computers etc 20:04 Fixer read that story about american farmers buying software from ukraine/poland to unlock JonhDeer bullshit 20:05 Fixer some companies went on bad trip to lets service those mfer-consumers via us only and remove all options, not gonna happen 20:06 Fixer now you have hackers selling for cheap to unlock your DRM, what ya gonna do now with your service? It is indication of different problem, that business itself is dying down, market oversaturation, big competition, less sales, so those fuckers want to lock in, but consumers are very opposed to this and will circumvent no matter what 20:07 Fixer this will end up with ruined reputation 20:07 Fixer toxicity etc 20:08 Fixer some companies instead of selling parts for repair trying to rip off via selling service, this gives very bad reputation for such businesses in long run 20:08 Fixer and USA seems ahead in this kind of bullshit 20:09 Fixer with trump corps are even more aggresive 20:09 Fixer shitty practices in IT that became the norm, to sell privacy of other people 20:14 benrob0329 We just need to convince trump the OS is the future 20:14 benrob0329 *that OS 20:51 rubenwardy he would probably end up banning it 20:51 rubenwardy cause communism 20:51 garywhite OS? 20:51 rubenwardy open source, I'm guessing 20:52 garywhite "Open source is hurting America's economy, & I don't like that, cause then I lose money on my hotels." 20:52 garywhite #FakeTrump 21:02 Calinou there is a free game on the Humble Store right now, it works in WINE according to the AppDB (gold rating) 21:03 Calinou https://lut.im/mk7avIpaRP/AHFAMt7UTYpAYlth.png 21:03 Calinou open source will advance! 21:04 Calinou https://www.humblebundle.com/store/rising-storm-game-of-the-year-edition 21:08 nerzhul lol 14257 install minetest by searching it on play store and... 14 by google 21:08 nerzhul strange stat 21:11 nerzhul wow there is a very common crash on android 21:12 nerzhul https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.minetest.minetest 21:12 nerzhul i changed my name on play store :p 21:12 nerzhul generic name + pseudo maybe that can help 21:12 nerzhul oops wrong chan 21:19 garywhite CNET download.com reports 27 downloads of MT since 1 May 21:19 Fixer lol 21:20 garywhite or 132 downloads in the last 3 months 21:22 nerzhul ridiculous 21:22 nerzhul i don't know if it's easy to distribute it on steam 21:22 nerzhul but i think if we do that we should wait for 0.5 :p no time for this now 21:25 garywhite Also, you have to have someone who's paid $100 for Greenlight or whatever 21:26 garywhite So unless someone wants to sink $100 into this game, I don't think we can put it on Steam 21:26 Shara That's not really a big barrier really 21:26 rubenwardy or 100 giving $1 21:27 Shara Just split it between 5 to 10 people and it's sort of nothing 21:27 nerzhul maybe i should ask for android thiefts xD 21:27 garywhite Correction, they changed it altogether... 21:27 nerzhul i will have 100$ by bounty source for some MT dev, i can use some for that if we want to distribute on it 21:28 nerzhul but before just change those texture to make MT have a better identity, less mtgame genericity 21:28 garywhite We gotta do it quick cause they're replacing greenlight with another method that's gonna (pardon my French) screw everyone over 21:28 Calinou it would be possible to put Minetest on Steam 21:28 Calinou but we won't be ready before Greenlight closes 21:28 Calinou we need a much better UI, better performancez 21:28 Calinou more content in the default game: (read: mobs) 21:29 Shara Or just... other games 21:29 Calinou multiple low-quality subgames aren't going to help anyone 21:29 Calinou quality over quantity, you know 21:29 rubenwardy agreed 21:30 Shara I'm not talking about pure quantity 21:30 Shara I just find MTG messy really, and too without focus 21:30 Shara It doesn't seem to know what it wants to be 21:30 Shara Probably because it's trying to be everything at once 21:30 Calinou minetest_game is getting better but still needs a lot of things 21:30 Calinou you could argue the same about Minecraft 21:30 Calinou it is very sandboxy, no real goal, a shitty end 21:31 Shara Never played it and don't really want to 21:31 Calinou making your game highly targeted at something might not be a good idea, too 21:31 Calinou remember that it's also a multiplayer game 21:31 Calinou (mainly a multiplayer game, even…) 21:31 Shara Some devs would disagree with you there it seems :) 21:32 Shara Bt it's why I'm not keen on doing anymore MTG PRs. 21:32 Shara But* 21:32 Calinou I don't want Minetest Game to become a RPG or an adventure game really 21:32 Calinou unless that's disableable in some way 21:33 Shara That's not what I would want either 21:33 Shara But almost any content you add to make it feel like a complete game, would make it less fit for other types of play 21:34 red-001 +1 to spending some of the money from bountysource on getting minetest on steam greenlight 21:34 red-001 but then greenlight is being removed afaik 21:34 Calinou it is 21:34 Shara So if we just have one official game, it feels like it needs a lot more content, but also a better way to have that content as options. 21:34 Calinou more content yeah, definitely 21:35 Calinou and more gameplay elements, not just dozens of random useless blocks 21:35 Shara So that you can build whatever kind of game you want from it 21:35 Shara just by turning on off the right features you need 21:35 Shara on/off* 21:35 garywhite To indicate how much harder it will be, please read http://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/558846854614253751 21:35 rubenwardy I don't think they should be options 21:36 rubenwardy I think they should be separate mods which you enable/disable/remove instead 21:36 rubenwardy as in, 21:36 rubenwardy still in MTG, just not all in defualt 21:36 Shara rubenwardy: sure, but that is options 21:36 rubenwardy oh yeah, I read settings 21:36 Shara I don't really mind so much about how it's implemented, just so long as it's easy to control 21:37 Shara But the advanatge of settings is updating is easier 21:37 Shara I don't want to need to delete the mobs folder each time I update, if I don't want mobs, for examples 21:38 red-001 wouldn't allowing end-users to disable mods includes with the game fix that? 21:38 red-001 included* 21:39 red-001 nvm it seems thats whats suggested 21:39 Shara Anythign at all that's preserved between updates is fine 21:39 Shara ANything* 21:41 paramat i feel the mods within MTGame should be disableable 21:42 Shara It would be good 21:43 garywhite Except default, that's kind of important for everything 21:43 red-001 maybe add a way for subgames to mark certain mods as "core" 21:44 red-001 meaning the player isn't able to disable them via the menu 21:45 Shara not trusting players to not hopelessly break things? :) 21:47 nerzhul minetest_game should increase content quality, and real mobs is one of our target for the next release (0.5 i mean) the breakage on protocol will permit to have real mobs, not hacky physic mobs :p mobs, skills/spells is required, more intelligent animations too... curent model is too low level 21:48 red-001 oh neat someone is going to finnaly work on decent mobs with a c++ based ai? 21:48 nerzhul minetest.register_mob('default:bee', flying=true, speed=100, spells=['default:attack', 'default:fireball']) 21:48 nerzhul :) 21:49 nerzhul it's what i mean, declare your mobs, have some interesting callbacks , outside of LuaEntitySAO 21:49 nerzhul i think UnitSAO should have a new child, NPCSAO 21:49 nerzhul which is more intelligent than too many lua extruded entities 21:49 nerzhul with many core features 21:50 red-001 sounds like a decent idea 21:50 nerzhul engine and game should work together we are not unity or godot, but a game with mods 21:50 nerzhul and NPCSAO would have some common parts with player, maybe UnitSAO will be more intelligent and permit to enhance a little bit LuaEntitySAO by side effet :p 21:51 nerzhul effect* 21:51 nerzhul imagine just a thing, npc:cast_spell('default:fireball', {x, y, z}) 21:51 nerzhul npc:move_to({x,y,z}, speed) 21:51 nerzhul npc:play_animation('default:jump') 21:51 nerzhul could be better :D 21:53 red-001 what about npc:set_state_trigger("damage",20,"state_flee") ? 21:53 nerzhul what is the purpose of this ? 21:54 red-001 allow c++ to trigger certain events without calling lua 21:54 garywhite Also, adding MT Android version to Amazon Appstore will definitely boost the number of users 21:54 nerzhul yeah it's the goal, a high level lua api 21:54 nerzhul we offer events, not modders to code the whole physic... 21:54 red-001 oh ok 21:55 nerzhul but it's ideas, if it motivates people to work on a new NPC entity, more intelligent for NPC that would be great :) 21:56 nerzhul also at a point i think i should backport my AppleTree modification to minetest permitting to store areas into core engine, permitting to have local PVP for non PVP servers and local passive zones for PVP servers 21:56 nerzhul but i don't know if it's interesting for everybody, i know many decent servers has areas 21:57 red-001 wait builtin grief protection??!! 21:57 * red-001 awaits PR 21:58 nerzhul i have it on my own server 21:58 nerzhul but i'm not using area store 21:58 nerzhul the portage is a little bit complicated as is i think 21:59 nerzhul but, if a feature is everywhere, it mean it's a common feature that make sense to port it, and offer it in a disabled way for modders no ? 21:59 red-001 yeah protection needs to be part of core 21:59 nerzhul on AppleTree all areas are stored into database (owners too) with map, somes are flagged as non PvP like spawn, you leave those areas you can attack players 22:00 red-001 that will allow added client-sided prediction to it 22:00 Shara Hmm, nerzhul, sounds interesting. 22:00 nerzhul this part is not easy 22:00 nerzhul because we cannot sent all areas to clients :p 22:00 nerzhul send* 22:00 Shara I sometimes wonder how many areas a server can handle 22:00 red-001 send the areas with the mapblocks? 22:00 nerzhul if we send them to client it permit to CSM to handle it to show them on screen and modders to customize them 22:01 Dumbeldor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYsvgZyLUjY 22:01 nerzhul red-001, quite impossible, areas can cover many many mapblocks, but yes sending them when a mapblock is sent and an area is found on it can be nice, but hsould be very optimized 22:02 Shara I have players moaning at me that 50 areas isn't enough for them... 22:02 nerzhul lol 22:02 nerzhul this limit is in your mod 22:02 red-001 I meant as in re-calculate the areas the client needs to know about when sending a mapblock 22:02 nerzhul yes 22:02 Shara nerzhul: I know.. but FIFTY! 22:02 Shara It scares me that they need this many :) 22:02 nerzhul it depend on what they protect but if they play hundred hours that can be many buildings 22:03 nerzhul it's why i say if we did it it should be very optimized because it can take many memory and CPU usage on calculation 22:03 nerzhul my AppleTree implementation is not optimized for thousands areas 22:03 Shara My creative server has over 3k areas protected... and this is after the admin team spent hours trying to combine some and remove unneeded ones 22:03 nerzhul at each protected action i search first matching area which forbid 22:03 nerzhul lol 22:04 Shara And this server is only about a year and a half old 22:04 red-001 yeah area ids tend to get pretty high 22:05 red-001 on one server I play on they reached the 5000's 22:05 nerzhul many ideas, many hands who wants to help us to contribute, time to make minetest great (and nuke forks :p) 22:05 Shara I also get complaints there's not enough space left to build.... but I just tell them to go to space and pick an asteroid :) 22:05 garywhite Shara: Maybe that's a good thing, it means that people are actually protecting their areas 22:05 red-001 or just protecting random land 22:06 Shara I sometimes find silly kids who protected multiple 1x1x1 areas :) 22:06 red-001 lol 22:07 Shara But hopefully my admins are never giving these peopole high_limit priv, so they can't make so many 22:07 Shara people* 22:08 garywhite Well, how many do they get by default? I have 60 with high_limit 22:08 Shara I can't remember 22:08 Shara It's low though 22:09 Shara I only put it up to 60 for those with high limit last week 22:14 garywhite Also, about the whole overhaul & putting MT to Steam & all that, if MT relies so much on multiplayer, how is the existing MT network of servers gonna be able to support a lot of additional players? 22:15 Shara MT has far more servers than needed for the current amount of players 22:15 Fixer who said it will be steam? that was wild suggestion out of my broken mind 22:15 nerzhul garywhite, it's why i just say, way for next release 22:16 Shara Not many servers are actually busy, when you look at the server list 22:16 nerzhul i will take some time to rewrite entierely the network, it will break underlying protocol, but our model is not good and not resilient to DoS due to slow clients 22:16 Fixer also, MTG still not ready, why 0.5? 22:16 Fixer MTG must move forward massively 22:16 nerzhul 0.5 is not this release 22:16 Fixer most of changes are in engine 22:16 nerzhul we are releasing 0.4.16 last week 22:16 nerzhul next* 22:16 rubenwardy realistically it's not going to happen for 0.5 22:16 Fixer yes, i mean after 0.4.16 22:17 nerzhul honestly i don't know for minetest_game, but it seems the core engine has some development direction (C++11, CSM, mobs, [areas], mod channels for CSM, rewrite the network protocol) but what about mtg ? 22:18 Fixer while it had much progress, it is not revolutionary 22:18 Fixer only evolutional changes, very slight 22:18 garywhite I'm just saying, the average for MT on Download.com is almost 3 downloads a day since January 2013 22:18 Fixer far from goals in that nores doc 22:19 nerzhul download.com is not a reference for game 22:19 garywhite ik, but those are the only download numbers I have 22:21 Fixer garywhite: tbh I doubt anyone in their mind will download of download.com 22:21 red-001 Fixer, well if we get 3 insane people a day... 22:22 Fixer red-001: too thin 22:22 red-001 thats over a thousand crazy people a year 22:23 red-001 .. I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make 22:23 garywhite Well, we want to have people playing the game right? & if we can't use major distribution channels like Steam, then we're very limited on where we can post it 22:23 Fixer garywhite: cnet, download.com was NOGO sites for many years for many people 22:24 Fixer excluding grandpas/mas 22:25 nerzhul on playstore in 1 year we have 2k more persistant installations (not total, they are not stable) 22:25 nerzhul 6k persistant installations 22:26 garywhite Which is why I also suggested Amazon Appstore, cause then that opens MT up to the market of Fire tablets (I had to sideload it onto mine0 22:26 garywhite )* 22:26 Fixer i would worry more about actual playability of MTG 22:26 Fixer you don't even have tools rendered in other people hands... 22:27 benrob0329 hand's should be fully 3D imo 22:27 nerzhul garywhite, there is f-Droid build 22:28 nerzhul Fixer, tools are not rendered for other players ? cannot remember that :o 22:28 garywhite True, but 99% of people don't know what F-Droid is 22:28 nerzhul also having armor support in core engine permit to make NPC and player having real armor rendering client side, could be nice 22:28 Fixer nerzhul: i mean if you use plain minetest_game, you will appear as tools-less player to others in game 22:29 Fixer you literally need to use a mod for that... weildview or smth 22:29 Calinou lol, Amazon Appstore 22:29 nerzhul just include it lol 22:30 nerzhul Amazon appstore is quite unused 22:30 garywhite Not if you have a fire tablet, then it's pretty much the only source for apps 22:31 garywhite They make a tablet especially for kids, & I know that can only access Amazon 22:31 red-001 what about itch.io 22:31 red-001 *? 22:32 Calinou the ultilmate question: do we care about kids? 22:32 Calinou sorry to say that, but I feel like we should earn more… higher-quality players, you know 22:33 * red-001 is working on creating a page for minetest on itch.io 22:33 nerzhul red-001, at least a page refering our site is the minimum 22:35 red-001 https://red-001.itch.io/minetest?secret=YvQj9iKeQ2pZt1C2Z8FjO1u956M 22:37 Fixer "With a 620003 block playing area" 22:37 Fixer needs correction 22:37 garywhite Calinou: Even then, in this day & age, more & more people are ditching PCs for phones & tablets. I think that the devs should think about looking at getting more mobile coverage in all the major Android stores 22:38 Calinou garywhite: sensible people do not ditch their PCs *entirely* 22:38 Calinou they can use mobile devices on a regular basis (I do!) but most of them won't abandon their PCs entirely 22:38 Calinou our mobile port is shit right now, and it is unlikely to be improved; it is more likely to be entirely removed 22:39 Fixer workstations/notebooks are ditched by people who are ok with viewing their facebook pages and few videos on their crappy phone 22:39 twoelk people don't ditch their pc - rather their first computer is a mobile device and they never move on 22:39 Fixer there is no "death of PC" hype, it lives, still used by people who need it 22:40 Fixer twoelk: depends on age and other factors 22:40 Fixer twoelk: android/ios is crippled OS in many regards 22:40 garywhite My first computer wasn't a mobile device, & I still use my tablet more, mainly my laptop is for work 22:40 Fixer for watching kittens? yep, not much more 22:40 rubenwardy it's not crippled 22:41 Fixer i use my tablet for reading books, watching youtube in bed, ocasionnal shitpost reading near table 22:41 rubenwardy it's just not designed for stuff that a real computer would be good at 22:41 Fixer rubenwardy: exactly 22:41 twoelk my first programmable device was a pocket calculater :-D 22:42 Fixer "PC is dead" hype, now there are tons of assholes who cry with "tablets are dying" 22:42 Fixer hype after hype after hype 22:43 Fixer market oversaturation and boom 22:43 garywhite Heck, my first computer was a PC with a horrible version of Windows...guess which one 22:43 twoelk the market is simply getting more fractured 22:43 Fixer and suddenly tablets/smartphoneshit is not replacing much, you still need real PC to do stuff, sky is not falling etc 22:43 red-001 Fixer, fixed 22:44 red-001 also added download links to windows builds and linux appimage 22:44 Fixer tablet sales are decelerating -> TABLETS ARE DIEING!!11111 22:44 Fixer sky is falling! 22:45 twoelk no, wait, the first programmable device in our family was a knitting machine using something like punch cards :-P 22:45 Fixer twoelk: you was wealthy 22:46 Fixer programmable calculator... 22:46 Fixer too fancy 22:46 Fixer for that time 22:46 twoelk not really but my father loved gadgets like that 22:47 twoelk that calculater taught me the basic basics (pun intended) 22:48 Fixer it was probably expensive as hell 22:48 Fixer calculator is pretty recent invention 22:48 twoelk well, it was second hand 22:48 Fixer started to appear in 70es 22:48 Fixer 70s* 22:48 Calinou I remember the "PC is dead" meme in 2012 22:48 Calinou lol 22:49 Calinou also yeah, tablets are dying off 22:49 Calinou due to larger phones 22:49 Fixer before that there were logarithmic ||||||||||||||||||||||| (how they called i forgot) 22:49 Calinou sadly, there is no good Android tablet right now 22:49 Calinou the Pixel C is nice but 1.5 years old already 22:49 Calinou also fairly expensive 22:49 Calinou (iPad-priced) 22:49 red-001 anyone here have a itch.io account? 22:49 Fixer Calinou: still, i would prefer 10" tablet over 6" brick, much better for youtube/books/pdf/etc 22:50 Fixer telephone is telephone 22:50 Fixer also, i would rather see long battery life 22:50 Fixer not this shit brick shit that bands and dies within 1 day 22:50 Fixer that hardly fits into pockets 22:51 Fixer even 5" is small these days, LOL 22:51 rubenwardy red-001, yeah, https://rubenwardy.itch.io/ although not released anything 22:51 garywhite tbh, I have an Android phone, & it sucks. I don't care for smartphones, considering that you have this big 5" thing in your pocket 22:52 Calinou 10" tablet is much nicer (and more poweful) than 7" or 8" 22:52 Calinou the Pixel C is 10" 22:52 Fixer all brick shit, now do extravagant, make small android smartphone with good battery and hardware keyboard, eh? 22:52 Calinou IIRC, it has the same CPU as the… Nintendo Switch 22:52 Calinou NVIDIA Tegra X1 22:52 Calinou GLES 3.1, Vulkan supported 22:52 Fixer Calinou: i have 10" tablet, not even looking at brick smartphone shit 22:53 Fixer phone is for calls, remembA? 22:53 Sokomine yes. why are no smaller devices sold? or at least no usable ones 22:53 Calinou I'm ok with large phones, I have large hands 22:53 Calinou 5.5" is ideal for me 22:54 garywhite Flip phone is ideal for me 22:54 Calinou you can find 5" phones with some effort but they're not high-end, and thus not particularly borderless… 22:54 Fixer I want 4" 22:55 red-001 rubenwardy, could you take a look and see if this is set up corectly https://red-001.itch.io/minetest/download/test-pDpdMucarWryaJsM5YbKbfTTYP-PR95P6yBWrPJw5YsdEQdHCFdjXQp ? 22:55 Fixer i can use 5", but it is the limit for me 22:55 Fixer not because of hands 22:55 garywhite I actually have this as a secondary phone, just have to get a miniSIM from the carrier 22:55 Fixer i dislike to carry huge crap 22:55 garywhite http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6085-1705.php 22:56 rubenwardy red-001, I see 3 downloads, w32 w64 and appimage 22:56 rubenwardy although I had to "link my account" first, whatever that means 22:56 red-001 do we have more downloads that don't need a package manager? 22:56 Fixer garywhite: i''ve seen even smaller one, it was perfect but rain destroyed it 22:57 Sokomine Calinou: too big for me 22:57 * Sokomine nods to fixer and wants even smaller ones 22:57 Fixer my friend uses actual Nokia 3230 22:58 Fixer or some model close to it 22:58 Fixer no, not that 22:58 red-001 so it looks ok? 22:58 Fixer oldschool one 22:58 garywhite 3310? 22:58 Fixer 3230 was mine, not long ago 22:58 * twoelk misses his old Nokia that would last for weeks with a single charge 22:59 Fixer garywhite: yes, 3310 22:59 Fixer or 3410 23:00 Fixer this one http://keep-talking.net/nokia/3410-silver.jpg 23:00 red-001 oh it someone else wants to check if it's working as expected https://pastebin.com/PaDrxKix 23:00 red-001 if* 23:01 Fixer garywhite: and it worked for like >10 years, still works 23:01 Fixer i had 3310 back in the day 23:03 garywhite I remember my parents had some kind of old Nokia phone like the 3310, dunno if it was though, & to put it simply, it was so long ago that Cingular was still a wireless company 23:04 Fixer i still have rotary phone for emergency if needed 23:04 Fixer it does not require power 23:04 Fixer from 220V 23:04 Fixer just from phone line itself 23:05 garywhite I wish we could use that, but our stupid VoIP wants something like $30 for the battery for our modem that just HAS to control our Internet & home phone 23:06 red-001 https://red-001.itch.io/minetest?password=password 23:06 Fixer i was user of analog telephony at the time, it was problematic 23:06 twoelk the phone that has outlived all our others and is still being the most used -> http://www.aller-leih.com/static/images/productimage-picture-bp-telefon-15426_JPG_600x600_q85.jpg 23:07 Fixer i have something like that, but different colour 23:08 Fixer red-001: below MINETEST you should add description of the game 23:08 Fixer what it is, etc 23:08 twoelk only problem is when some robot wants you to press a number 23:08 Fixer twoelk: robot? 23:08 Fixer ah 23:08 Fixer too much 4chan >_> 23:09 Fixer twoelk: i've used it before robot time 23:09 Fixer i don't really call to robots these days 23:09 Fixer it is problematic 23:09 Fixer takes ages 23:09 Fixer fuck em 23:09 twoelk telephone robot -- if you want service blah press the one, if you want blup press the two 23:09 Fixer yes 23:09 Fixer this crap 23:10 twoelk I hate them 23:10 Fixer we largely avoided that crap and had actual human 23:10 Fixer but now there is a lot of this crap 23:10 Fixer sure, it is in some ways convinient, but takes much longer 23:11 twoelk not convinient for the caller 23:11 red-001 Fixer, done https://red-001.itch.io/minetest 23:11 Fixer twoelk: there is no better way to do it right now 23:12 red-001 I managed to find out how to making it public and unlisted 23:12 Calinou "If you buy MINETEST you will get additional mod implementing FIXER into the game!" 23:12 Calinou instant best-seller. 23:13 Fixer featuring minetest ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjRjqYGNeQU 23:14 red-001 Calinou, oh btw I'm using your appimage for it if thats ok with you 23:14 Calinou red-001: it is not up-to-date :( 23:14 Calinou it was compiled in Februrary 2017 23:14 Calinou lots of fixes since then 23:14 rubenwardy remember when a video called "THE WORST GAME EVER - MINETEST" was the featured video on our homepage? 23:14 Calinou I have a 0.4.15 AppImage around I think, not sure if it's online 23:14 Calinou rubenwardy: hmm, I might 23:14 Calinou "The worst game ever" also was an unofficial tagline for Cube 2: Sauerbraten at a time 23:15 red-001 I'm using a link to your site if thats ok, if you prefer I can upload it to itch.io servers 23:15 Calinou better do that, yeah 23:15 Calinou I have a large amount of unmetered bandwidth but it's not infinite either 23:15 Calinou so let itch.io's servers suffer the Itch Hug of Death :P 23:15 Fixer rubenwardy: i rarely visited the homepage...ooo*** 23:16 Fixer rubenwardy: How you name the ship (c) 23:16 twoelk the word infinite is overrated 23:16 Fixer yes 23:16 Fixer compared to MC - insanely overrated 23:17 Fixer but OK for 95% of players 23:17 Fixer you can fit most of population in 1000x1000 23:19 twoelk hm, red-001, should the download links work? 23:19 red-001 yes 23:20 Fixer Calinou: i would avoid calling your game worst in the world, I would rather put PEPE in it... 23:21 twoelk I get the -thanks for downloading- popup but nothing else happens 23:22 Fixer enable javascript :trollface: 23:22 red-001 twoelk, which one are you trying to download? 23:22 twoelk tried all three 23:22 red-001 huh maybe it's better if I upload all the file to itch.io servers 23:23 red-001 twoelk, could you see if the appimage works once you refresh the page? 23:24 twoelk ok appimage seems to work now but not the windows versions 23:24 Fixer twoelk: firefox blocked popup window, probably because of that 23:24 Fixer download works 23:25 Fixer but it is blocked because it is popup, or some of my firefox addons block it 23:26 red-001 alright I uploaded all the files to itch.io servers so it will download faster 23:27 red-001 (itch.io forces you to wait when downloading an external file for some reason) 23:27 twoelk all seem to work now :-) 23:27 red-001 alright I will list it on itch.io then 23:28 red-001 done 23:29 red-001 I will work on intergrating minetest with itch.io some other time 23:38 Fixer twoelk: i have red phone :} fancy 23:38 Fixer rotary one 23:39 twoelk mine is green as in pic 23:42 twoelk telephone guy let me have it when he replaced it with a newer one for the flat I had rented. He said they where being thrown away anyway so I got it for free 23:43 twoelk it's been with me some almost 30 years now 23:44 Fixer C Y B E R N O S T A L G I A 23:45 Fixer my red one should be quite old 23:45 Fixer he is also buggy 23:45 Fixer after call i loose sound sometimes 23:45 Fixer need to check insides 23:46 twoelk it's somewhat battered and falling appart - but does the job - and amazingly has the best sound 23:49 twoelk it's interesting watching my young nephews trying to dail with it for the first time, pressing the numbers in the holes :-D 23:49 Fixer yeah, too much touch screens 23:50 Fixer i had so much problems with calling, my line was shitty, needed to recall many times 23:50 Fixer that is all gone, dialup is also gone 23:50 Fixer i'm glad it is 23:50 Fixer analogue line + dialup was horrendous 23:51 Fixer once had 4 people on same line 23:51 twoelk :-O 23:51 Fixer i mean during talk 23:52 Fixer other couple of persons somehow integrated into our conversation 23:52 Fixer 4 people on line 23:52 Fixer wtfing 23:53 Fixer probably some rare bug on station 23:53 twoelk fun like that hardly happens anymore 23:53 Fixer yes 23:53 Fixer and rain... 23:53 Fixer amount of noise 23:54 Fixer usually connected at 28.8K or slightly higher 23:54 Fixer when it went digital, dialup speed upped to 45K, if good day 23:55 twoelk I remember visiting our telephon switching station and being shown a hall full of mechanical relais - that noise 23:55 Fixer 4kbyte/sec 23:55 Fixer good night! 23:56 twoelk 0/ 23:57 * twoelk is probably afk for several days