Time Nick Message 00:29 benrob0329 o/ Grandolf, halt_ 07:34 tenplus1 hi folks 08:02 * tenplus1 noms pancakes 08:25 tenplus1 hi nrz 08:49 Shara Morning all 08:49 tenplus1 hi Shara :) 08:50 Shara Hi ten, how goes? 08:50 tenplus1 not bad... *noms pancakes* 08:51 Shara share please! 08:51 tenplus1 ehehe... 08:51 * tenplus1 always shares 08:53 tenplus1 watching a good video on youtube called "The REAL Truth About Religion and it's Origins"... it's really fascinating :)))) 08:55 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50 08:56 Shara :P 09:01 tenplus1 wb nrz... isp problems ? 09:01 nerzhul no, restarted my session due to clipboard problem after an update 09:01 tenplus1 *shakes fist at clipboard* :P 09:23 shivajiva morning :) 09:24 tenplus1 hi shiva 09:24 shivajiva Hi ten 09:24 tenplus1 how's things ? 09:25 shivajiva good thanks, I see I have reading to do :P 09:26 tenplus1 ehehe... about to update Xanadu with latest knockback function 09:34 nerzhul tenplus1, you mean the knockback PR ? 09:35 tenplus1 yeah, it detects which function to use depending on singleplayer 09:35 tenplus1 entity attachment works better in singleplayer, moveto slide in multiplayer 09:38 Shara you'll probably get disapprovals just for behaviour being different between single/multiplayer 09:38 tenplus1 bring it on!!!!! :P 09:40 nerzhul tenplus1, if you mean the Dumbeldor Knockbar PR it needs client side support ,else, no interest 09:40 tenplus1 noo, not that one... the one I added to playerplus 09:41 tenplus1 it detects if in singleplayer... if so then it'll attach player to entity, calculate knockback and move entity and then detach... works well when no-one can see you sliding in 09:41 tenplus1 if on server it moves entity only and uses moveto so the lag causes player to slide into position which looks same :) but no slide bug from 0,0,0 09:41 tenplus1 shiva helped me with this one 09:46 tenplus1 k, the new function looks better when you hit someone else and see them sliding around... but... when someone hits you it feels like a quick shudder into position 09:46 tenplus1 I hope the 0,0,0 detatch bug gets sorted soon 09:49 nerzhul tenplus1, it's hacky, it's why the Dumbeldor pr should be finished and merged, as i say everytime MT is modular, but some hacky things should be cut in favor of properly specialized behaviour (respecially on physics :p) 09:50 tenplus1 I hope dumble's pull gets finished and accepted...we really need proper knockback in game 10:02 shivajiva ^ +1 10:03 tenplus1 even using player:moveto(newpos, true) hplayer jerks into position... pah! 10:27 shivajiva until we understand where and why the reset back to 0,0,0 occurs on a remote server / client configuration the bug will continue to exist 10:28 tenplus1 if only they wuld add the ability to player:set_velocity() 10:30 shivajiva I guess I need to search for all references to 0,0,0 to understand what's going on 10:30 tenplus1 a challenge awaits! 10:32 shivajiva we know it's not in the detach now that's fixed so it's picked up in the delay somewhere else 10:33 tenplus1 hrm 10:34 shivajiva you don't agree? 10:34 tenplus1 trying to think where it could be 10:35 tenplus1 what's involved in entity attach.detatch 10:35 nerzhul i don't agree 10:35 nerzhul (i don't read what you said :p) 10:36 shivajiva I think it's outside of that process as I tinkered with attach and detach 10:36 shivajiva Nerzhul: lol thanks 10:42 shivajiva heh 46 files containing 0,0,0 10:42 shivajiva I need a more realistic search term I think :) 10:43 tenplus1 lol 10:44 shivajiva who's the expert dev on player code? 10:45 nerzhul it's rdococ 10:46 shivajiva answers like 'you after you looked at the 46 files' are not welcomed XD 10:47 shivajiva thanks I'll have a chat with them :) 10:52 Shara nerzhul: rdococ is a dev? 10:56 tenplus1 wasnt docOc one of the spiderman villans ? :P 10:57 Shara Just curious because he's been a player on my server for well over a year, but these days mostly just meows at people and things. :) 10:57 tenplus1 lol 10:57 Shara He talked about working on mods, but never saw anything 10:57 Shara which is a pity, because some of it sounded interesting 10:58 * Shara will just go digging 10:58 tenplus1 any good ideas? 10:59 Shara He mentioned things about space mods I think 10:59 tenplus1 ooh 10:59 Shara found him on github, but nothing much there 11:01 tenplus1 hi fixer 11:01 Shara hi Fixer 11:02 Zeno` https://github.com/orgs/minetest/people 11:03 Shara Hi Zeno` 11:04 Zeno` hi :) 11:04 shivajiva hi Zeno o/ 11:04 tenplus1 hi Zeno 11:28 tenplus1 hi Da 11:28 tenplus1 hi Darcidride 11:40 Darcidride Hi everybody 11:41 Calinou hi 11:42 tenplus1 hi cal 11:46 Fixer hi 12:06 Jordach hi tenplus1 12:07 Jordach :^) 12:07 tenplus1 hi Jordach :P 12:09 tenplus1 been watching "American Gods" tv show... it pretty good :D 12:18 tenplus1 hi RobbieF 12:21 Shara Hi RobbieF 12:26 Jordach *autistic screeching* 12:26 tenplus1 lol 12:26 Jordach why does firefox do that but chrome can't 12:27 tenplus1 do what ? 12:27 Jordach restore tabs in a paranoid mode 12:30 RobbieF Hi TenPlus1, Shara, and all. 12:30 tenplus1 o/ 12:30 RobbieF All well? 12:31 Shara Pretty good thanks :) 12:31 shivajiva Hi RobbieF, yea good and you? 12:31 tenplus1 doing okies, you ? 12:31 RobbieF Hi shivajiva. Very well thanks. 12:31 RobbieF Get the new van on Friday! 12:31 tenplus1 kewl 12:31 Shara :) 12:32 tenplus1 we both got something to looko forward to on friday :D 12:32 RobbieF there's a picture of it on episode 503 - just uploading it now 12:32 RobbieF what's friday for you ten? 12:32 tenplus1 memory upgrade arrives for net-top... will have a whopping 4gb in total :PPP 12:34 * Jordach feels like building tenplus1 a real ITX build 12:34 tenplus1 ehehe, am happy with my wee net-top :P 12:35 Jordach tenplus1, it can then actually run Minetest 12:35 shivajiva heh snappy, hope it yields the expected result for you ten 12:35 tenplus1 I can run minetest :) works well, andlets me feel any lagg which I need 12:36 Jordach then again my tower is a workstation 12:36 tenplus1 http://cdn.liliputing.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/acer-3700.jpg .. https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/02/uk-electronics/product_content/Acer/R3700_feat_L.jpg 12:38 tenplus1 beb 12:38 tenplus1 er... brb ;P 12:40 RobbieF oh nice tenplus1! That's twice your RAM! 12:47 tenplus1 hi NathanS21 12:48 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 13:01 tenplus1 hi lumidify 13:01 lumidify Hi tenplus1 13:01 lumidify Did you get tired of the capitals? 13:02 tenplus1 yeah, am out in the country today 13:16 tenplus1 hi octacian 13:31 Jordach https://youtu.be/TuZTnZLzb0Q?t=18m43s tenplus1 lmao 13:35 tenplus1 lol 13:57 tenplus1 was about to say that the pepperflash plugin seems to work well with Midori browser... and then it crashed :D 14:06 tenplus1 you shall not pass! 14:07 tenplus1 Jordach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlWwIBwExaI 14:07 tenplus1 Windows 10 S *HELL* 14:11 Jordach tenplus1, cheap ass upgrade to Pro tho 14:11 Jordach then copy the key to a desktop 14:12 tenplus1 it kinda is extortion tho... free update to 10S but you can only run our apps... want steam or minetest, give us 50 dollars to upgrade to pro 14:15 Shara ewww 14:16 tenplus1 MicroSh*t has seriously lost the plot 14:17 Jordach it's designed for schools and shit 14:17 Jordach not fucking home use 14:17 tenplus1 am so glad that I turned to linux all those years ago 14:18 Calinou hi 14:18 Calinou lol, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/05/libreoffice-5-3-3-released-works-better-microsoft-office-documents 14:18 Calinou is there a single LibreOffice release that's not advertised as "working better with Microsoft Office documents"? 14:18 Calinou I wonder... 14:18 tenplus1 that's the problem Jordach, schools can only use what's on the app store... you wanna run or teach programming or like they say "make a robot" you cant without paying 50 quid to run your own software 14:18 Jordach tenplus1, the admins can sideload win32 apps as usual 14:19 tenplus1 not unless you run the pro version, they've made sure you can only run store apps unless you update 14:19 Calinou Windows 10 S is intended as a Chrome OS competitor, but I consider Chrome OS-like things to be flawed by design 14:19 Jordach it's group policy on steroids 14:19 Calinou they are poor student machines anyway, so I don't care at first, but it makes me sad that those poor students can't enjoy freedom 14:19 tenplus1 10s and 10s pro are exactly the same apart from a flag stating you can run your own stuff 14:19 Calinou I guess we're back to the Windows NT era :P 14:19 Calinou (where you could pay to allow more TCP connections or something, I read) 14:20 Calinou dem antifeatures... 14:20 tenplus1 lol, wsnt that Winxp lite ? 14:20 tenplus1 could only run 3 apps at one time, no wallpaper etc etc 14:20 Jordach Vista Basic ^ 14:20 tenplus1 I'd so convert schools to linux usage :) 14:20 Jordach and anyways, tenplus1 14:21 Jordach Win 10 S is meant to literally be a stripped down copy of windows 14:21 tenplus1 they removed desktop 14:21 Jordach you do realise that most normal people don't need anything but facebook, twitter, instagram/pinterest and youtube 14:21 Jordach and nothing more 14:22 tenplus1 true, the things that a tablet or phone could run 14:22 tenplus1 they are stripping users of the freedom to run whatever they want on the Os... the Os should only give you a base to work on... 14:22 Jordach you expect normal people to understand the mathematical concepts of computer science? 14:23 Jordach people want to unbox it and it works straight off the ba 14:23 tenplus1 I expect normal users to at some point wanna use something that isnt in the app store and have the freedom to run it without paying 50 quid 14:23 Jordach no fucking messing with DEs and nano just to get video drivers working 14:24 Jordach Linux will take off once it stops expecting users to be COMPUTING LITERATE 14:24 tenplus1 so far any user I've installed Ubuntu for has been quite happy and had no issue using it 14:25 tenplus1 you can make it as easy or as advanced as ya like 14:25 Jordach and that's a prepacked OS 14:26 Jordach MS stopped doing Home Basic and Home Premium, Ultimate, Professional for a reason 14:26 Jordach choice confuses consumers 14:26 tenplus1 now you only have 1 choice :) use our apps or give us 50 quid to use your own 14:27 Jordach tenplus1, not really 14:27 Jordach you don't have to buy the laptop 14:27 tenplus1 am talking about when the update comes out and makes ppl run it 14:28 Jordach tenplus1, it's strictly for their "chromebook like" range 14:28 tenplus1 same as win7/8 users being bombarded with win10 update 14:28 tenplus1 give it time... 14:28 tenplus1 microsoft runs a certain way... this I expect 14:28 Jordach crying wolf just because the old guard has caught up and is fighting the behemoth called Google 14:28 Jordach it's google you should be having fucking issues with 14:28 Jordach not MS 14:28 tenplus1 I have my own issues with google as well :P 14:30 Jordach tenplus1, and guess what, chromebooks are far more locked down than a W10 S laptop 14:30 Jordach but a browser is almost what anyone needs these days 14:30 tenplus1 for the most part, true... what I'm saying though is that M$ is taking their flagship Os and locking it down to app store and making you pay to unlock it 14:30 tenplus1 that's the issue 14:31 Jordach an issue spawned by other tech giants 14:31 tenplus1 how many millions of pc's run windows, and how many of those will update when that little popup appears in teh corner to 10S 14:31 Jordach 10S is it's own thing 14:31 Jordach Windows 7/8 won't recieve GWX anymore 14:32 Jordach 10S is not designed for Home use 14:32 Jordach that's what Windows 10 Home is for 14:32 tenplus1 lol 14:33 Jordach and businesses already volume license Win10 Enterprise 14:33 Jordach and in some situations, like for grandad who ends up installing malware 14:34 Jordach win 10 S is actually useful in very specific cases 14:34 Jordach it's more specialised than Pro and Home editions 14:35 tenplus1 depending if the app store apps are actually tested for malware in advance :D 14:35 Jordach most kids i know at school now say that Windows is what they use at school 14:36 Jordach they think of windows as a educational / business thing 14:36 tenplus1 *shudder* 14:37 Calinou choice confuses consumers 14:37 Jordach their first IT experience is either a tablet with iOS or Android 14:37 Calinou while what you say is true, proprietary software still has a lot of segmentation going on, though it's getting better since ~5 years 14:37 tenplus1 slow but sure 14:37 Calinou we have 3 Windows editions right now (Home, Pro, Enterprise), but many branches of it: LTSB (for Enterprise), N (no codecs), Single Language, China... 14:38 Fixer Jordach: who on earth spends money on windows, especially on garbage w10? only way is pirated win 10 enterprise with all crap and tracking removed and still it feels like shit and want to go back to 7 :trollface: 14:39 Jordach Calinou, N is just the Euro version of Windows 14:39 Calinou well, the Windows 10 Home on my laptop has a preinstalled key in UEFI 14:39 Calinou so I paid for it indirectly 14:39 Calinou so I'm not on Pro, but I don't have to deal with the software whose name starts with a K and ends with a o :) 14:39 Calinou (since I have Office "for free" too as part of an university program...) 14:40 Calinou fun fact: Windows 10 Home does not have Group Policy (gpedit.msc), but with regedit, some settings to disable things still work, such as disabling Windows Defender in a permanent manner. However, as of the Creators Update, you get a fancy error icon in your tray area, which is permanent 14:40 Calinou (Defender icon with an error sign) 14:40 Fixer tenplus1: you have two choices: 1) suck MS d--k and be happy 2) use other OS 14:41 Jordach >doesn't realise the entire gaming industry uses windows 14:41 tenplus1 hi Fixer and yeah, linux all the way :D 14:43 Calinou I do pretty much all of my gaming on Linux now 14:43 tenplus1 same... steam runs pretty well in Wine 2.01 now :) and anything I can run native I will 14:43 Calinou I mean... now you can play CS:GO comp games with friends running Windows 14:43 Calinou you couldn't dream of that 5 years ago 14:43 Calinou and it works very well 14:43 tenplus1 interesting -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNf0zGZJbXM 14:44 Calinou I think I'll buy Dirt Rally when it's on sale, too 14:44 Jordach tenplus1, every DE looks like a fucking Mac now 14:44 Jordach ew 14:44 Fixer Jordach: windows was business OS from the start... it even looked workstation like, before XP era glamurofication/dumbing-down for masses 14:44 Calinou I have Dirt 3 and Dirt Showdown, the former is not on Linux (yet?), the latter is meh but is on Linux 14:44 Calinou Dirt Rally is apparently quite good, and has Linux support now 14:44 Calinou but outside of sales, it's expensive 14:44 Calinou it was at €12.50 once 14:44 tenplus1 kewl 14:45 tenplus1 I wanted "Alice: Madness Returns" for the longest time and got it during a steam sale for 3.50 :)))))) windows only but hey, wine is amazing now 14:45 Fixer Jordach: todays kiddies start with SHITTY android/IOS, then see REAL OS, ofc it will feel business like for them, you can do actual stuff with it, not like removing glands via anal on smartphone/tablet 14:46 Jordach Fixer, any iOS / Android suits their needs 14:46 Jordach they don't care as long as they have the newest cool app on the store 14:46 Fixer i had the same feel after ZX spectrum and seeing Win95 in office, it felt good 14:46 tenplus1 lol 14:46 Fixer Jordach: if you don't do any work - yes 14:47 Fixer Jordach: if you just watching youtube & shit - sure 14:47 Jordach Fixer, and i doubt kids want to do anything like that 14:47 tenplus1 android/ios is probably more than enough for most folks aily usage... 14:48 Calinou Serious Sam Fusion (currently in beta) works well on native, too 14:48 Jordach IT in the UK is now trying to get kids programming, and they dont give a single fuck about it 14:48 tenplus1 if anything they want a bigger screen in a tablet and not desktop usage 14:48 Calinou tried only OpenGL, but it has Vulkan in beta 14:48 Calinou now I no longer need WINE for the Serious Sam HD games, which is always a good thing 14:48 tenplus1 Jordach: not all kids, but some... I went into programming when I was at school 14:48 Calinou Croteam being Croteam, I guess :P 14:49 Fixer Jordach: kek, you have not seen my school turbo pascal lessons... stuff like a+b was too hard for 99% 14:49 Fixer Jordach: it is a myth that everyone wants/can program 14:49 tenplus1 lol, i wrote a GUi librari in pascal :) was fun 14:49 Fixer while i was better at that IT stuff, I never went into it, because i dislike all this cancer 14:50 Fixer Jordach: kids want to play with the stick on the yard (tm) 14:50 tenplus1 pascal/amos gave me the freedom to make what I wanted... 14:50 Fixer or football 14:50 tenplus1 but still found time to get out when I wanted :D 14:51 Jordach i expect IT to be a dead industry in 30 years 14:51 Fixer nope 14:51 Fixer too autistic 14:51 Jordach Fixer, and theres the problemn 14:51 tenplus1 definitely not gonna happen... 14:51 tenplus1 IT will still be there in a big way in teh background... but disposable devices will be more prevalant 14:51 Jordach everyone who does IT now won't want to do it in 10 years time, and those that do program won't want to either 14:52 tenplus1 depends on the stress levels of the job I suppose 14:52 tenplus1 I do it as a hobby and for fun mostly 14:52 Jordach the veterans are unable to train new blood, tenplus1 14:53 Jordach because children are uninterested in the technical aspects 14:53 CWz What ever happened to PilzAdam 14:53 tenplus1 no idea CWz, might be taking a haitus 14:53 Fixer Jordach: thats why I don't went into IT, because IT is not developing Minecraft (tm) or something you like, but developing some FUCKING PURE enterprise SHITE written in SHIT BY SHITHEADS for some shitbank or whatever 14:53 tenplus1 did you hear about the Cobol situation in banks ??? 14:53 CWz Python ftw 14:54 Fixer you think IT is cool, but you end up with boring shit nobody wants to do 14:54 Fixer who wants to develope some shitty program for shitty bank, thats very sad and depressing 14:54 tenplus1 the older IT peeps who know Cobol are slowly dying off and no-one wants to learn it anymore, so they are scurrying around trying to get the banking systems converted to another language which is more popular and has support :D gonna cost millions 14:55 Fixer tenplus1: nobody cares, fuck cobol, fuck banks, fuck everybody 14:55 tenplus1 thanks dude :P 14:55 Fixer tenplus1: bank will fail anyway in sometime, why care dealing with IT-autists... :trollface: 14:56 tenplus1 convert it all to Visual Basic :PPPP ahahaha 14:56 Calinou in Minetest, you don't Cobol. You Cobble. 14:56 Fixer CEO has his money and shareholders are happy 14:56 tenplus1 lol 14:57 Fixer Calinou: in minetest you are Cobble, because MTG is "simple" (tm)(r)(c) 14:57 Jordach fun fact 14:58 Jordach Mojang were too late with MC:Edu 14:58 Jordach MC is now uncool 14:58 tenplus1 ahahahahah 14:58 tenplus1 and I've heard that some schools are using Minetest instead :D 14:58 tenplus1 lua is easier 14:58 Jordach tenplus1, by too late i mean MC is no longer cool to kids 14:58 Jordach they've moved on 14:58 tenplus1 what they gagging for now ?? 14:59 tenplus1 better not be a new candy crush 14:59 Jordach Roblox 14:59 Jordach which has a Windows 10 store app 14:59 tenplus1 *shudder*... it's like a simplified version of gary's game 14:59 Jordach and it's free 15:00 tenplus1 but hey ho... each to their own 15:00 Fixer Jordach: MC not cool for kids? finally, kid free environment soon! 15:01 tenplus1 eheheheh 15:01 Jordach Fixer, exactly, their YT'ers have moved on 15:01 tenplus1 we still have loads of android/ios users on server... sadly using bogus clones 15:01 Jordach (it appears to be somewhere between GTA:O and Roblox) 15:01 Fixer Jordach: there are still lots of MC YTbers 15:01 Jordach Fixer, but are switching their games out to be fresh 15:02 Fixer yep 15:02 Jordach things like DW20 and co aren't going to; it's their thing 15:02 tenplus1 yeah... Yogscast is pretty funny atm, watching Duncan 15:03 Fixer Jordach: minetest game accept cars after 6 years of development, viable alternative to MC, says expert 15:03 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pu5fRGP6PE 15:03 Fixer carts* 15:03 tenplus1 MT will slowly become a game but for now it relies on servers to give it that 15:04 Fixer on modders 15:04 tenplus1 modders write but it's up to the servers/players to use what we make 15:05 tenplus1 I've only seen one other server using Lucky Blocks... 15:05 Fixer yes, but I want a game, not crippled sandbox i will be bored in 30 min 15:05 Jordach tenplus1, again, out of fashion 15:05 tenplus1 bums! 15:07 tenplus1 we need players to come up with adventure maps that others will play... something to bring a story to mt 15:07 tenplus1 I asked bodil40 a whlie back if he'd be that person... nothing yet :OP 15:09 Shara Ten, you know that's something I'm looking at... 15:10 tenplus1 adventure/story games ? 15:10 Shara Yup 15:11 tenplus1 w00t! :) if players have a goal with some adventure inbetween it'd make for a great game... 15:11 tenplus1 I keep meaning to work on the command blocks but never have the time 15:11 Shara don't know if it will fully do what you are thinking, but taking my time to get everything I want right for it :) 15:12 tenplus1 step at a time :) is the way to go 15:12 tenplus1 Don's soundblocks will come in handy as well for mob battle music etc 15:12 Shara well, this will have puzzles, not mobs 15:13 tenplus1 puzzles are good :D 15:13 Shara it's one of the reasons I was interested in the collission box changes 15:13 tenplus1 was gonna put item gravity on dropped items so they would have different effects when you drop them... aiming into gaps etc, detectors etc 15:14 * Shara really really wants a way to flip gravity 15:14 tenplus1 player can attach to entity to flip gravity 15:15 tenplus1 but controlling entity vs real player contol is a pain in the butt 15:15 Fixer tenplus1: lag 15:16 tenplus1 yup 15:16 Shara I'm just mainly looking at things that can be done to players to help/hinder them getting through obstacles 15:16 tenplus1 kinda wish you could assign a player flag to an actual entity and take control 15:17 Shara it would help 15:18 tenplus1 yeah, would give you more freedom with player look/collision/etc and give you proper gravity changes 15:18 tenplus1 and flipping 15:18 tenplus1 back laters :S 15:27 benrob0329 <+Jordach> tenplus1, every DE looks like a fucking Mac now 15:28 benrob0329 Lxde, KDE Plasma, Xfce, Literally every Window manager + panel is defaulted to a windows like look 15:28 Jordach benrob0329, not the prepacked Distros 15:28 benrob0329 heh 15:28 benrob0329 Xubuntu, Lubuntu 15:28 benrob0329 Antergos running anything but Gnome 15:29 benrob0329 Kubuntu/kde neon 15:29 benrob0329 You clearly don't know Linux, Jordach 15:30 benrob0329 And yeah, gnome got smart and started to innovate 15:31 benrob0329 Some people like it, some dont 15:32 Fixer benrob0329: gnome got apple 15:33 benrob0329 Apples are good, full of fiber. 15:33 Fixer and i'm really tired of copying apple 15:33 benrob0329 I'm really tierd of copying windows 15:34 Fixer still gravitation to NT/W2K UI times, simple yet powerful, now it is degenerated into clusterfuck 15:34 benrob0329 The only thing Gnome does that's apple like by default is have a bar on top 15:35 Fixer gnome is cancer 15:35 benrob0329 outide of that its almost completely different 15:35 benrob0329 You are cancer 15:36 Fixer Jordach: turns out some MC modpacks eat all my VRAM and has like 3 fps, after disabling mipmaps it goes back to 80-100 fps 15:36 benrob0329 tell me, why the hell is gnome so bad? 15:36 Jordach Fixer, ^ 15:36 Fixer and i have 1gb of vram 15:36 benrob0329 Heh, that's cute 15:36 Fixer not much by today standards 15:37 benrob0329 again, why is gnome so bad, aside from just "I don't like it" 15:37 Fixer benrob0329: HIG, elitism, low customise, copy apple, remove features 15:37 benrob0329 Hig, translation please 15:38 benrob0329 Elitism, no more than KDE 15:38 Fixer https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/ 15:38 benrob0329 Low customize, ever heard of Dconf and extensions? 15:38 Fixer KDE is bloat 15:38 Fixer benrob0329: yes, even heared gconf 15:39 Fixer GTK is shitmess 15:39 benrob0329 Copy apple, what because there is a bar on top? Screw off 15:39 Fixer there are tons of holywars about gnome and apple :D 15:40 benrob0329 Remove features, like what? I hear this all the time but no one can ever give me an example 15:40 Fixer benrob0329: i was reading lots of holywars since release of gnome 2 and gnome 3 at the time 15:41 Fixer and it was all about "HIG, elitism, low customise, copy apple, remove features" 15:41 benrob0329 early gnome3 was pretty bad from whar I hear 15:41 Fixer kde also had some problem with keyboard switcher 15:41 Fixer KDE4 = total kek 15:41 Fixer KDE4.0 is not KDE4 15:41 * red-002 dislikes KDE 15:41 Fixer that was shitmess 15:42 benrob0329 gnome3 was rejected because it was different, and early in development 15:42 benrob0329 Its slowly fixed many of the problems it had early on 15:43 Fixer somewhere near 2010 people were: eh, GNOME2 2.20 is shiiiiiiiiit, but it is my shit and I'm used to it; KDE3 is so bloat/windowsy - used to it, then they both ruined it and started global linux DE shitshow, so big, that XFCE became so popular now 15:43 benrob0329 But some still hang on to criticizing the early problems it had 15:43 benrob0329 Yes, people hate change 15:43 Fixer kde5 = plasma still crashing 15:44 benrob0329 Funny how they change when they don't like the change 15:44 benrob0329 Its more stable now, but yeah 15:46 Fixer benrob0329: in 2010 or so it was polished shit, now it is unpolished hipster shit 15:46 Fixer gtk2/3/4 compabitibity problems 15:47 Fixer gimp still at gtk2, hipsters rush to gtk4 15:47 benrob0329 Gtk4 isn't even in dev yet 15:47 Fixer very soon 15:47 benrob0329 Possibly 15:48 benrob0329 At least its not trying to use gtk2 themes for all of its apps 15:48 benrob0329 Sure, gimp uses 2 15:49 Fixer gtk 3 theme support is shitshow 15:49 Fixer if you are theme creator you are mazohist 15:49 benrob0329 because its css? 15:49 Fixer because of changes every release, themes break every release 15:49 benrob0329 haven't noticed, but ok 15:50 Fixer and then once gtk 3 "stabilise", they throw it out in garbage and start unstable gtk4 15:50 benrob0329 again, you say that 15:50 benrob0329 But there are no dates for 4 15:51 benrob0329 its only been talked about for starting somewhere in the future 15:52 benrob0329 But as I've said in the past, and as ill say now 15:52 benrob0329 Imgui ftw 15:53 benrob0329 It doesn't reinvent the wheel like QT 15:54 benrob0329 and its not GTK (which gets more hate than the sneak changes) 15:55 benrob0329 Its dead simple, and as cross platform as the renderer you use. 15:56 red-002 sn**k 15:56 benrob0329 Lol 15:56 red-002 don't curse in here 15:57 * red-002 missed the chance to curse while saying that 16:01 rdococ meow 16:01 Shara Hi rdococ-cat 16:05 Calinou Jordach: I remember Overwatch being fairly cool to kids too 16:05 Calinou (especially Reaper…) 16:08 rdococ hi Shara 16:08 Jordach Calinou, pie pie pie 16:10 rdococ Tasty 16:14 Fixer Calinou: why would not it? 16:15 Calinou it's marketed super well anyway 16:16 Calinou so they can sell it at €40 average, €35 at best, and get away with it 16:16 Calinou :| 16:16 Calinou and not have any macOS or Linux support :P 16:17 benrob0329 Proprietary software, isn't it great? 16:18 benrob0329 "You cant tell us what to do, we hold the monopoly." 16:21 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/e3K7eqL.png TRIGGERED 16:24 benrob0329 DOUBLE TRIGGERED 16:24 rdococ TRIPLE TRIGGERED 16:25 Shara I just /kick without even thinking these days :) 16:27 benrob0329 "Oh what, you thought you could roleplay on MY server?" 16:27 benrob0329 "Well you can't, so bye." 16:31 Shara It's in the rules. 16:31 Shara Can't stand this family stuff. 16:31 Calinou we have this in #redeclipse, TRIGGERED ECLIPSE 16:31 Calinou :P 16:31 benrob0329 ~tell tenplus1 https://github.com/matrix-org/purple-matrix/ 16:31 ShadowBot benrob0329: O.K. 16:53 red-003 lol apprently the european central bank has a youtube channel and I'm subscribed to it 17:00 DS-minetest thanks Shara :) 17:00 DS-minetest btw 17:00 Shara No problem :) 17:04 benrob0329 Hi DS-minetest 17:16 DS-minetest hi benrob0329 17:17 rdococ hi DS-minetest 17:17 DS-minetest hi rdococ 17:17 rdococ hi benrob0329 17:18 benrob0329 Hi rdococ 17:18 * benrob0329 restarts the gentoo install because he didn't make /boot big enough 17:20 Fixer gentoo @ 2017 17:23 kaeza hurd @ 2117 17:24 cx384 hi 17:24 benrob0329 Hi cx384 17:25 Shara Hi cx384 :) 17:25 Fixer kaeza: 2217 17:56 rdococ hi Krock 17:56 Krock hi rdococ 17:56 benrob0329 o/ Krock 17:56 Krock and really. IRC is the only stable connection here 17:57 kaeza o/ Krock 17:57 kaeza rdococ! 17:57 Fixer ＣＹＢＥＲＢＡＴＯＮＳ 17:57 Krock ping to 8.8.8.8 (google) and github time out.. wtf 17:57 benrob0329 What 17:57 nerzhul Krock, maybe they block ICMP 17:57 Shara Hi Krock 17:57 sofar carrier pidgeon internet 17:57 Krock nerzhul, it just worked 3 mins ago 17:58 Krock with an average response time of 16ms 17:58 * Krock keeps whois'ing to check if IRC is still alive 18:00 Krock mhm. how am I supposed to read the notifications here? :/ 18:01 rdococ hi 18:01 Krock brb, trying to fiddle a bit with the wireless card settings. maybe it helps 18:03 Fixer what notifications? 18:04 cx384 bye 18:08 Fixer Krock, github went bankrupt 18:09 benrob0329 Heh 18:09 Fixer btw, we need actual backup plan for everything minetest related hosted on github 18:10 Fixer i doubt it will happen soon enough 18:10 Fixer but still amusing to think how much headache it will cause 18:11 red-003 not really 18:11 red-003 there is gitlab 18:11 Fixer say it goes off in 1 year, so you need to get the list or minetest-related repos, including active forks, then close thousands of them to other platform, etc 18:11 Fixer list of* 18:11 kaeza most core devs have local copies of the repo 18:12 Fixer "then close" wth i'm typing 18:12 kaeza so it doesn't matter 18:12 Fixer "then clone" 18:12 red-003 I kinda doubt that github will go down 18:12 Fixer kaeza: mods 18:12 Fixer red-003: lets say they decide not to host open source stuff anymore 18:12 kaeza Fixer, modders have local copies :P 18:13 red-003 ^ 18:13 kaeza well, except in the case of *ahem* HDD crash 18:13 Fixer kaeza: and some don't care or died 18:13 kaeza ;_; 18:13 red-003 well we have a lot of mods 18:13 Fixer i have an idea for April 1 minetest joke 18:13 Fixer greatest idea ever 18:14 kaeza do tell 18:14 Fixer Minetest is moving to Sourceforge 18:14 red-003 sourceforge is too respectable 18:14 red-003 try znet 18:14 kaeza google code? 18:15 benrob0329 Bitbucket 18:15 Fixer red-003: have you seen sourceforge UI? 18:15 benrob0329 Or KDE's git servers, and is being renamed to Kminer :PP 18:15 red-003 I meant cnet 18:15 kaeza does SF even support git? 18:15 benrob0329 I think.it does 18:15 red-003 have you seen cnet ads? 18:15 kaeza last time I used it it only supported CVS IIRC 18:15 Fixer you need to have double PHD in sourceforge to actually browse it 18:16 kaeza that was looong ago, tho 18:16 Fixer benrob0329: moves to Savannah... 18:17 Fixer red-003: sourceforge is respectable? you probably was in cryo few last years 18:18 Fixer there was a shitshow with sourceforge with ragequits and stuff 18:18 red-003 I didn't say it was respectable 18:18 Fixer ah, too respectable, ok 18:18 red-003 just cnet is so much worse 18:19 Fixer it is very cancerous 18:22 benrob0329 Nonono 18:22 benrob0329 MetaFire/whatever its called 18:29 rdococ Meow? Meow. Meow! 18:30 benrob0329 Woof 18:31 * rdococ turns into a vampire and runs through an infinite mirror tunnel 18:31 rdococ weeee 18:31 benrob0329 But you cant see yourself 18:31 rdococ I know. 18:31 rdococ but I can walk through mirrors, because magic. 18:31 benrob0329 oh 18:31 rdococ and I have no reflection blocking me. 18:32 benrob0329 mmmk then 18:32 rdococ It's a part of a fictional thing I'm working on. 18:32 benrob0329 I'll just pretend like I didnt just hear some serios parallel univers stuff and move on 18:33 * rdococ places a mirror below, and a mirror above him, and falls infinitely. "Weeeeee!" 18:33 * benrob0329 places an inverse mirror under him 18:33 benrob0329 s/inverse/anti 18:34 rdococ An anti-mirror? O_o 18:34 benrob0329 Yes, it reflects everything that can't be reflected 18:34 benrob0329 So transparent objecs, air, 18:34 benrob0329 Vampires 18:35 rdococ Air can be reflected. Otherwise you wouldn't see the sky when you place a mirror outside. 18:36 benrob0329 Only the long blue wavelengths of light that slowly collect due to distortion 18:36 rdococ Does that count as a form of reflection? 18:36 rdococ Imagine the Sun was a vampire. Would the sky still be blue? 18:37 rdococ Also, imagine a tiny cube whose inside surfaces are mirrors. Could a vampire survive in such a small space by virtue of being able to go through mirrors? 18:37 rdococ Also, what happens if you open the cube? 18:37 rdococ How would you get a vampire in there in the first place? 18:38 benrob0329 Why don't vampires have a reflection? 18:38 benrob0329 Lets just answer that one 18:39 rdococ I once tried a thought experiment to transfer information FTL through a vampire's interaction with photons. 18:40 rubenwardy sfan5, #minetest 18:40 rdococ It didn't work. 18:40 rubenwardy omg guys 18:40 rubenwardy you won't believe this 18:40 rubenwardy there is a mt TLD 18:41 rdococ TLD? 18:41 rubenwardy top level domain 18:41 rdococ ah 18:42 rubenwardy you can't buy example.mt though :( Only example.[com|org|net].mt 18:43 rdococ ooh 18:48 benrob0329 Can we get minetest.mt? 18:48 benrob0329 Or game.mt 18:48 benrob0329 Or mtg.mt 18:48 rdococ nah 18:50 rdococ .mt is malta :P 18:51 CWz sorry i am not planing to malta way here 18:52 CWz I plan to remain a glacier for the next couple hundred years 18:52 Fixer mine.io 18:52 Fixer hip level above 9000 18:53 CWz io nothing to know one 18:53 * CWz will stop trying to make puns now 18:55 CWz How come most server players don't help with codding minetest? because they don't want to commit to the project. 18:55 * CWz is angry at himself 18:55 * garywhite appears 18:55 * CWz disappears 18:55 garywhite because a lot of us don't know how to code C++ 18:57 benrob0329 Ok, things should be mounted correctly this time around 18:58 * benrob0329 builds base desktop configuration 19:06 paramat Shara we cannot yet invert the player with true inverted gravity, but, have you tried 'physics override' with gravity = -1? player might rise to the ceiling 19:07 paramat and maybe walk on the ceiling on it's head 19:07 Shara paramat: will try thanks :) 19:29 Wayward_One hi all :) 19:34 Hijiri someone registered minetest.moe 19:37 red-003 did someone get the free domains as well? 19:41 Calinou minetest.sexy 20:28 benrob0329 red-- 21:07 red-002 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vneVi-0dODZvg0KMjAbIbp3EMvlOwb8x8sjLRAxFfRRvS7c2nAf4L-ZPU-480Eq-4mD2=h900-rw 21:08 red-002 seen on an uncredited version of minetest in the app store 21:10 rubenwardy lol 21:10 rubenwardy please may a moderator move this to offtopic? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17576&view=unread#unread 21:10 rubenwardy it has no place in 'Feature Discussion' 21:11 red-002 do meta post belong in general? 21:11 red-002 posts* 21:12 rubenwardy it has the quality of an offtopic post, so should be there 21:13 red-002 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17508&view=viewpoll 21:14 rubenwardy heh 21:15 rubenwardy that's basically offtopic 21:15 red-002 whats with android forks and using google drive as a hosting service 21:22 red-002 lol looking at the lua code of one of these "forks" and it seems someone took serious offence to the existence of a settings menu 21:24 Hijiri did they put insults in comments 21:25 red-002 -- core.debug("MAINSCUM *U*K THIS SHIT, BTN_SETTINGS") 21:25 red-002 censored by me 21:26 Fixer nice 21:26 Fixer at least it is not a suicide 21:35 nerzhul red-002, lol 21:35 Fixer what is mainscum? 21:41 Hijiri the primary evil 22:40 red-002 I assume main refers to main menu but honestly I don't know 22:46 red-002 oh neat 22:46 red-002 https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=MG17+Games 22:46 red-002 the only thing this developer does it release illegal copies of minetest 22:48 red-002 looks like the business model is 22:48 red-002 1. find new map 22:48 red-002 2. get it to kinda work 22:48 red-002 3. ads? 22:48 red-002 4. profit 22:49 rubenwardy yep 22:51 red-002 well at least it's only singleplayer 22:53 Shara I find it funny how the screenshots on some of them have lots of unknown nodes :) 22:54 benrob0329 Can I barch report someone for IP infringement? 22:55 red-002 Shara, see step 2 22:55 benrob0329 Not only is it stolen content (maps aren't automatically free!) But the game itself it licensed illegally 22:55 Shara I know. Still amusing :) 22:56 benrob0329 I just...want to slap some people and say "What is wrong with you?" 22:56 rubenwardy is it definitely IP infringement? 22:57 rubenwardy ie: do they not give source at all 22:57 Shara benrob0329: people will do whatever for easy money. 22:57 red-002 well I didn't try to run the game 22:57 red-002 but they don't seem to add it to the description 22:58 rubenwardy do they mention it in the main menu? 22:59 red-002 I looked at the main menu source code and it seems to be a no but I might have missed it 22:59 red-002 I will try installing the apk tomorrow 22:59 benrob0329 I legit just flagged evetything of his/her's for ip infringement 23:01 rubenwardy :P 23:02 red-002 looks like they also removed the credits tab but even if the didn't that still links to minetest.net 23:02 rubenwardy we need to have a resource which links to all minetest clones on the play store 23:02 rubenwardy and whether they attribute 23:02 rubenwardy sorry, follow the source 23:02 rubenwardy *license 23:02 rubenwardy they we can go through and send emails to the developer 23:07 benrob0329 (Kek) https://vid.me/mNI4 23:07 rubenwardy I'd like to ask that know one takes any action on any infringing apps 23:07 rubenwardy especially aggressive actions 23:07 rubenwardy you should just report it 23:07 rubenwardy to us, that is 23:08 benrob0329 Ok 23:08 benrob0329 Will do 23:08 red-002 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=freeWorld.blockcraft.pocketedition 23:08 red-002 someone should tell them 23:11 paramat 'blox craft' uh great name. at least the world is not 'near-infinite' though 23:15 Fixer my current base: https://i.imgur.com/ic45cSW.png 23:16 garywhite Hey everyone, Amazon has the Pi 3 rn for under 40 bucks 23:19 benrob0329 isn't it suppised to be $35? 23:33 rubenwardy all Minetest apps with ads are infringing, probably 23:33 rubenwardy as you need to license as LGPL 23:33 rubenwardy and you cannot do that if you use ad code in LGPL code 23:33 rubenwardy so you need to use Minetest as a library 23:34 rubenwardy and call the ad code from a proprietary Java wrapper 23:34 rubenwardy however, LGPL requires that the user can replace the LGPL code 23:41 rubenwardy http://wiki.minetest.net/Licensing#Complying_with_the_License 23:41 rubenwardy celeron55, sofar ^ 23:41 rubenwardy from reading the license source, and from googling