Time Nick Message 00:02 Jordach fffff 00:02 Jordach >makes a shitty skybox 00:02 Jordach >ends up building a fucking mapgen in blender 00:02 Jordach *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE* 00:02 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/iAi9p9S.jpg 00:02 Jordach paramat, rubenwardy ^ 00:04 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/2s9eDvq.jpg 00:04 Jordach zoomed in 00:06 * Jordach built a goddamn mapgen in blender nodes 00:13 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ULznRz5.jpg 00:14 Jordach paramat, ^ 00:52 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/SToXREN.jpg 00:52 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/kqoPvTQ.jpg 00:58 rubenwardy reminds me of https://github.com/Jeija/planether/blob/master/README.md Jordach 01:11 benrob0329 Hello all 01:11 Jordach [01:45:15] blender is the emacs of 3d modelers 01:11 benrob0329 So? 01:11 benrob0329 A lot of people like Emacs 01:11 Jordach was making a joke 01:12 benrob0329 Its not a bad assessment tbh 01:12 benrob0329 Odd key bindings and swiss army knife functionality 01:13 benrob0329 Anyone here willing to relay a message to ExterDad on hometown? 01:13 benrob0329 Im away from home atm so I can't 01:23 Jordach it's called a joke 04:03 sofar ~tell jordach I never made those skybox textures, they are verbatim from upstream sources, unrotated. Try again. 04:03 ShadowBot sofar: O.K. 04:13 benrob0329 >gets ok from Exter to do a video on hometown 04:13 benrob0329 >is never on to grant fly 06:40 benrob0329 Can one of the devs please come set up the Github integration for the Minetest Matrix chat?: 06:40 benrob0329 Issues etc are all pee uaer 06:40 benrob0329 *per user 06:47 benrob0329 Hi Krock 06:47 Krock o/ benrob0329 06:48 benrob0329 Hi CWz 06:48 benrob0329 I it its morning in UK/Australia? 06:48 benrob0329 *take it 06:50 * benrob0329 whispers "try matrix" before disappearing for the night 07:15 tenplus1 hi folks 07:27 tenplus1 hi nrz 07:35 Krock hi tenplus1 07:35 * VanessaE peeks in 07:36 tenplus1 hi Krock, hi Vanessa 07:36 VanessaE hi 07:37 CWz hey VanessaE 07:37 tenplus1 hi CWz 07:37 CWz VanessaE, Pipeworks needs an update to fix the chests 07:38 VanessaE yeah I know 07:38 VanessaE someone else can do it 07:38 tenplus1 I just included the missing textures into Protector Redo and Money mod to fix issue 07:52 CWz Oh no! 07:52 Krock inb4 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1729 07:52 tenplus1 ? 07:53 tenplus1 +1 09:01 tenplus1 DS-Minetest had a good idea at the end of the comments 09:38 VanessaE I had a better idea ;) 09:40 tenplus1 sounds good, at least this way we keep current textures and compatibility with mods :D 09:40 tenplus1 I wonder why it was scrapped for a single texture ?!?! it doesnt make sense 09:40 VanessaE my idea was rejected because some devs thought it would take away some texturing ability 09:41 VanessaE maybe someone wants a chest with asymmetric handles 09:41 VanessaE and it wouldn't follow the usual texture order 09:41 tenplus1 so normal node for closed chest and meshnode using same textures with new texture for inside lid 09:42 VanessaE that would work too. 09:44 tenplus1 would remove the need for the closed .obj files 09:44 tenplus1 *file 09:50 Shara Morning all 09:50 VanessaE hi 09:50 tenplus1 hi shara 10:02 CWz Aye 10:02 CWz new minetest is good minetest 10:02 tenplus1 ? 10:04 * CWz hasn't been to Xanadu in long time, since it's spawn was made out of white block thing 10:04 CWz is it still made out of white block things? 10:04 tenplus1 lol, that was Xanaxu mk.2 mk.3 has a fully built spawn area and many amazng builds 10:05 CWz what was spawn mk1 like? 10:05 tenplus1 that was a glass dome 10:06 tenplus1 xanadu mk1 was a huge test bed 10:06 tenplus1 bbl peeps 12:08 Krock http://i.imgur.com/aqRfjQO.png 13:05 Jordach Calinou, https://github.com/Calinou/beauty.css wins https://thebestmotherfucking.website/ 13:39 red-001 yetanotheroneofthese.site 13:50 benrob0329 *shares on the Linux matrix room* 13:56 Fixer CYBERMARIO 14:02 benrob0329 LETS'a＀ASSIMILATE 14:05 red-001 ẉ̺̮ͅh̟̹̹͔a̪̝̬̩̮͠t̵̵̡̥̗͇̰ͅ ҉͍͍̭̗̱͞ẖ̴̤̻̣̀a͇̫͇͕̹̼̹͈v͙̪̣͓͇̜̠̠͝ẹ̷͍͖ͅ ̴̤͈̼͠ý̞̘̗̘͘͞o̳͔̹̤̼̪ú̸̻̼ͅ ̫̝̼͖̼̼̬d̬̠͈̙́͝o̴̢̢̲̯̘ͅn̩͎̖̺̹̖ͅe̡̛̩̣͕̤͝ 14:05 Krock thanks for unicode 14:06 red-001 n̷̠̣̟̱̙̺͇̯̬̜̖̤͐̅̓̊̕͜͟p̨͎̘͔̰̻͂̔̐̆̈ͣ̄̓̓ͯ̇̈͒͛̚͝ 14:12 Krock ^ ascii length 86 14:12 Krock huh, NP++ counts them in a strange way 14:14 benrob0329 (Offtopic, some swearing) https://youtu.be/lPNN8w2XlwY 14:15 benrob0329 But this is hilarious 14:17 Krock lol 14:21 Krock dududud duuuu dudududu 14:22 Krock can't anymore ahahah :'D 14:33 Calinou Jordach: someone made a much better version of that, it was on GitHub trending recently 14:33 Calinou https://github.com/trending 14:34 Calinou hmm… 14:34 Calinou speaking of the devil 14:34 Calinou look who I see on the "nyaa" repository 14:34 Calinou in the contributor avatars 14:37 Jordach https://github.com/milligram/milligram >? 14:38 Jordach >Allow storage of uploaded .torrent files (disabled by default) 14:39 Jordach :thinking: 14:54 * benrob0329 tapes a sign to Jordach's back, it says "Try Matrix" 14:54 Jordach s/Matrix/Discord/g 14:56 benrob0329 s/Discord/Matrix 14:57 Calinou s/Matrix/IRC 14:57 red-001 s/Matrix/The Matrix 14:57 red-001 s/IRC/telenet 14:57 VanessaE s/Matrix/Framework/g 14:57 benrob0329 Jordach: tbh I admin a chat you'd probably love 14:58 Jordach oh look 14:58 Jordach a VE 14:58 red-001 s/telenet/telnet 14:59 benrob0329 "Look, a wild VanessaE in her natural habitat" 15:01 red-001 "Here we see a wild david attenborough in his natural habitat" 15:03 VanessaE heh 15:24 Krock s/*/IRC/g 15:24 Krock problem solved 15:27 benrob0329 s/IRC/Matrix 15:27 benrob0329 Problem solved 15:33 red-001 s/*//g 15:46 benrob0329 Question, who would be interested in me making a video series about using freebsd for a week? 16:49 Krock benrob0329, maybe nerzhul would :) 16:51 benrob0329 Krock: Does he use fBSD? 16:51 Krock I think so, yes 16:52 Calinou hi 16:52 Calinou I went to vote today, btw 16:52 Krock The Pen? 16:53 nerzhul i would what ? 16:53 nerzhul yes my server is a FreeBSD server :p i'm on it atm 16:54 Krock nerzhul, logs. Question, who would be interested in me making a video series about using freebsd for a week? 16:54 nerzhul i don't use FreeBSD on desktop only on servers 16:54 Krock freebsd is freebsd! 16:58 benrob0329 Heh 16:58 benrob0329 Well I've been wanting to actually try it for a while now 17:06 nerzhul FreeBSD is also on my NAS at home (pure FreeBSD, not FreeNAS), hosting 4TB of data using ZFS :) 17:09 benrob0329 Oh nice 17:18 nerzhul and i know some enterprises having PB of data on FreeBSD :) like Netflix 17:19 nerzhul or Apple 17:19 nerzhul or Nintendu 17:19 nerzhul Nintendo 17:23 benrob0329 Nintendu, its like Nintendo only more fo U 17:25 Krock btw, where's this text coming from? http://i.imgur.com/NMD8SeT.png appears to either be builtin or C++, just that I can't find it anywhere 17:25 Krock moment. I'm using unified inventory in all worlds, that another common thing 17:26 Krock why didn't I notice this earlier?! u_i/item_names.lua:33 17:27 Krock apparently talking to myself instead of being quiet solves problems easier :) 17:36 red-001 rudder duck? 18:34 tenplus1 hifolks 18:37 Jordach aha 18:37 Jordach hi tenplus1 18:37 * Jordach figured out the maths to time_speed 18:37 Jordach it's second multiplier 18:38 Jordach eg, x in world seconds per time_speed 18:38 tenplus1 hi Jordach 18:38 Jordach 86400 div 72 = 1200 18:38 Jordach 1200 / 60 = 20 18:39 Jordach dividing 86400 by your number will result in the number of seconds used in MT 18:39 tenplus1 arent their real time counter mods available 18:39 Jordach tenplus1, no, 18:49 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1 18:49 tenplus1 hi benrob 18:49 benrob0329 I think I'm going to try FreeBSD 18:49 tenplus1 dragonfly ? 18:49 benrob0329 And make videos about doing so 18:50 tenplus1 worth a go :) similar system to linux but different workings in aw ay 18:50 benrob0329 Not dragonfly, less support 18:51 tenplus1 am looking for a way to remove google apps from my mobile... it's not so easy :( 18:54 Calinou tenplus1: you need to flash a custom ROM 18:54 Calinou there is no other way 18:54 Calinou most don't come with GApps built in, so if you do nothing special, you have no GApps 18:54 tenplus1 hi cal... and pah! damn google taking up my prescious space 18:54 Calinou but tons of apps can't be used without GApps 18:55 Calinou F-Droid has many things but the day your partner wants to use Snapchat with you, you're dead :D 18:55 Calinou (troll inside) 18:55 tenplus1 dont use snapchat :) 18:56 tenplus1 I kinda wish a basic linux install was available for my phone with caller/texting software 19:06 benrob0329 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6755&view=unread#p239615 19:06 benrob0329 :-O 19:06 benrob0329 We must give things a facelift 19:06 tenplus1 nice wallpaper 19:07 benrob0329 Its VERY nice 19:08 Calinou why would you have "Press ENTER to start", though? 19:08 Calinou it's a wallpaper, not a splash screen :P 19:08 benrob0329 Because its a good first impression 19:09 tenplus1 hi behaleba 19:09 Calinou how about "Press F to pay respects" instead? 19:09 benrob0329 Kek 19:09 Calinou ;) 19:10 * benrob0329 now has a launcher concept 19:14 tenplus1 wb amaz 19:15 * tenplus1 serves guests a hot beverage 20:24 tenplus1 nite all :P 21:15 Jordach what cunt thought it was a good idea to remove the console on windows 21:17 rubenwardy 1. inappropriate language :P 21:17 rubenwardy 2. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5416 21:18 Jordach >not even a .conf option 21:19 Shara Annoyed me too, as I use it alot. 21:20 Jordach nice sneak bug 21:20 Jordach using fast while touching the side of a node then sneak jumping is a literal +1 teleport 21:20 Shara Haven't used newer clients enough to find out just how big a deal the console is for me though. 21:20 rubenwardy Jordach, enable_console=true 21:21 Jordach "nobody develops games on windows" 21:21 Jordach rubenwardy, already done 21:21 Jordach secondly, not documented in conf 21:21 rubenwardy file a bug then, if it doesn't work 21:21 Shara So there is a conf setting? 21:21 Jordach yes 21:21 Shara As long as there is, it's okay 21:22 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ie3zEAu.png 21:23 * Jordach works on a smooth day night cycle 21:23 Jordach based on seasonal changes 21:23 Jordach Solar Plains already computes a calendar 21:54 * Jordach starts re-working the main menu 21:59 Jordach hint: it'll solve android and PC/Laptop issues eternally 22:01 Jordach 2017-05-07 23:01:23: ERROR[Main]: No future without main menu! 22:01 Jordach rarest bug ever found 22:04 red-001 is it a bad sign if I'm very familiar with this "rare" bug? 22:07 paramat hehe 'no future' 22:07 Jordach WAIT WAT 22:07 Jordach wat 22:07 Jordach uhhhhh 22:08 Jordach that's fucking bizzare 22:08 Jordach the main menu can reload lua files at will 22:08 Jordach read: changes can get reloaded 22:08 red-001 eh are you sure? 22:09 Jordach yes, but only if the main menu has a Lua crash 22:09 red-001 pretty sure you have to start a game to reload stuff 22:09 Jordach red-001, the main menu re-executes code 22:09 Jordach if the file changes, it'll update 22:09 red-001 it's been a while since I worked on the main menu 22:09 red-001 I guess I just misremebered 22:11 * Jordach evilly laughs 22:11 Jordach once this shit works 22:11 Jordach any of you are welcome to patch this against git 22:12 red-001 what are you doing anyway? 22:16 Jordach doing something fabulous 22:17 Jordach hmmmm 22:18 Jordach so where does builtin load textures from 22:20 Jordach AHA 22:21 * Jordach found where MT loads textures from as builtin 22:21 Jordach fukkin lmao 22:21 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/Uc1rx50.png 22:22 * Jordach dies laughing 22:22 rubenwardy textures/base 22:22 Jordach rubenwardy, not literal 22:22 Jordach that uses a helper 22:22 Jordach local retval = "image_button[0,0;6,1;progress_bar.png;singleplayer;"..fgettext("Singleplayer")..";;false;progress_bar_bg.png" 22:23 Jordach it searches bin first 22:23 Jordach my plan is to remove the tabs and use a proper Main Menu like sequence 22:23 Jordach (which removes the braindeadness of android fails) 22:23 rubenwardy sounds good 22:23 * benrob0329 thinks the main menu should be replaced with a launcher 22:23 rubenwardy nah 22:24 benrob0329 Or perhaps both could coexist 22:24 Jordach currently learning fstk 22:24 rubenwardy it's possible to make one already, using command line arguments 22:24 benrob0329 Launcher to update MT and load mods 22:24 rubenwardy fstk is quite messy 22:25 rubenwardy iirc 22:25 benrob0329 MM to start game 22:25 Jordach rubenwardy, remember, i'm far more clever when it comes to dealing with Lua 22:25 rubenwardy well, Lua is a lot less painful that C++ can be 22:26 benrob0329 "Can" is the word 22:26 benrob0329 It doesn't have to be 22:26 benrob0329 But old library cruft 22:26 rubenwardy yeah, exactly 22:26 rubenwardy it depends on the programmer 22:26 * benrob0329 is learning c++, then sfml 22:27 rubenwardy but as a general rule, you need a lot more knowledge of the language to write a program in C++ than Lua of a medium complexity 22:27 rubenwardy yes! 22:27 Jordach Loaded texture: C:/Users/jorda/Desktop/minetest-0.4.15/textures/base/pack/progress_bar.png 22:27 Jordach boomshakalaka 22:27 rubenwardy SFML is awesome 22:27 benrob0329 Exactly! 22:27 benrob0329 No C crap 22:27 benrob0329 And opengl accelerated 22:27 rubenwardy I've done quite a bit with it: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23gamedev%20from%3Arubenwardy&src=typd 22:35 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/CCUsV47.png 22:35 Jordach OwO what's this 22:36 Jordach if i pull this off without breaking everything, this will get a PR 22:36 * Jordach sees how fstk works 22:36 Jordach everything basically works the same way as before 22:43 Jordach rubenwardy, http://i.imgur.com/fQt02Tw.png 22:43 rubenwardy sweet 22:43 rubenwardy I'd support such a PR 22:44 Jordach this would also work under *android* 22:44 Jordach removing that reduced menu system entirely 22:45 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/5xrFA3i.png :^) 22:48 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=156&p=268114#p268114 22:48 rubenwardy should at least have removed the tabs first :D 22:49 red-001 ^ 22:49 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5wWA75skc 22:49 red-001 kinda wish we could port the freeminer main menu 22:49 red-001 too bad it's gpl 22:49 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/9xRosJr.png 22:49 Jordach TACTICAL PHOTOSHOP DEPLOYED IN YOUR AREA 22:50 Jordach rubenwardy, red-001 ^ 22:51 Jordach inb4 ABJ says it's photoshop 22:53 Jordach relative file paths in Lua works on windows ;) 22:54 * red-001 checks what was the state of the freeminer menu before the licenese change 22:55 red-001 https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/tree/c4d59de0a32f15369d5ad598bc8f8a42d79dfae7 is the last version before change right? 22:57 Jordach leave it to Solar Plains to tidy MT up entirely 23:01 red-001 huh there is a version of the freeminer main menu thats lgpl 23:01 red-001 maybe we should port that 23:01 Jordach red-001, don't bother touching trash, might contain a dirty needle 23:02 red-001 > works on minetest main menu 23:02 red-001 > talks about trash 23:02 red-001 on second thoughs this menu is messed up 23:03 red-001 well good luck with improving the main menu 23:03 red-001 many have tried from what I can see 23:04 rubenwardy the main menu was written by sapier in an amazingly short amount of time 23:04 Jordach red-001, if i can figure the bullshit needed to operate my wardrobe prototype 23:07 Jordach there's a result of that in Solar Plains 23:07 benrob0329 Jordach: I would also support such a pr, but my support doesn't mean as much as a core dev 23:08 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/blob/master/mods/core/init.lua#L114 23:09 red-001 is your main menu stuff on github? 23:09 Jordach nope 23:09 Jordach someone will have to manually merge that shit 23:09 Jordach on a windows system that's a bitch to do 23:09 kaeza Jordach, install Gentoo 23:10 red-001 nice meme 23:10 kaeza mainmenu code definitely needs some cleanup though 23:10 kaeza for some values of "some" 23:11 kaeza *some large values of "some" 23:11 red-001 should I install gentoo on my keyboard or would just the monitor be enough? 23:12 red-001 why not use git for it? 23:13 kaeza I guess because on a windows system that's a bitch to do ? 23:13 red-001 there are a lot of gui if you don't like using the git command line 23:13 red-001 gui's* 23:13 Jordach red-001, i already use bash on Windows 10 23:13 red-001 install gentoo in it 23:13 red-001 makes it so much better 23:14 kaeza or ReactOS! 23:14 * kaeza hides 23:14 red-001 https://www.variantweb.net/blog/running-fedora-on-windows-10-using-wsl/ 23:14 red-001 reatos is neat 23:14 red-001 but dev is kinda slow 23:14 Jordach >docker 23:14 Jordach gtfo 23:15 red-001 I used to have th build system installed on my computer for some reason 23:15 Jordach kaeza, the old menu will still have their legacy files kept 23:15 Jordach in case one thing doesn't work right 23:16 kaeza isn't that what git is for? 23:16 red-001 ^^^^ 23:16 Jordach no 23:16 red-001 git makes life so much easier 23:16 Jordach it still contains the sapier menu files in case it doesn't have a correct fallback 23:16 kaeza uh 23:16 Jordach you'll figure it out in a bit 23:17 * Jordach has a sore on the roof of Jordach's mouth 23:17 Jordach shit hurts like fuck 23:21 * Jordach removes the tabs system 23:22 Jordach tabs disabled, prepare some hype 23:22 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/787Vcmq.png 23:28 Jordach here's the menu rework layout 23:28 Jordach singleplayer -> as usual 23:28 Jordach multiplayer -> window serverlist (small button for Server mode) 23:28 Jordach changes window to Server 23:29 Jordach Mods and Textures does the same thing 23:31 Jordach :O 23:31 Jordach 2017-05-08 00:31:17: WARNING[Main]: invalid use of image_button without a size[] element 23:37 Jordach wsat 23:37 Jordach wat 23:37 Jordach tabview is wat 23:38 rubenwardy actually quite like docker, although only for big systems 23:38 rubenwardy mostly hype though 23:38 Jordach rubenwardy, i meant sapiers shit 23:39 rubenwardy >docker ? 23:39 rubenwardy is that a mainmenu thing 23:39 Jordach yes 23:39 Jordach https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/43d1f375d18a2fbc547a9b4f23d1354d645856ca/builtin/fstk/tabview.lua 23:39 rubenwardy oh, ok 23:39 Jordach trying to figure out how to capture on_recieve fields for builtin 23:39 rubenwardy that's ew 23:39 Jordach if i figure out on_rec it's game over 23:40 rubenwardy I need to rework sfinv, and get it to replace fstk 23:41 * Jordach wats 23:42 Jordach might be worth modifying fstk 23:45 Jordach actually 23:45 Jordach just abusing it works just fine 23:48 Jordach eeee 23:48 * Jordach just moves the tab offscreen 23:48 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/0m3t1sU.png 23:49 rubenwardy :3 23:49 Jordach i set the position to -1000 on x and y 23:49 Jordach no fuckeris finding that tab 23:49 rubenwardy in the future I'm planning on making formspecs find the bound of the formspec, and resize it to fix 23:49 rubenwardy although, as ever, long todo list 23:49 Jordach port sfml 23:50 Jordach will be worth 23:50 rubenwardy basically, don't rely on hack forever :D 23:50 rubenwardy sfml is nice 23:50 rubenwardy sfgui is very nice 23:50 rubenwardy it's container hierarchy based, at least 23:50 rubenwardy makes response scaling nice 23:50 benrob0329 Imgui ftw 23:50 rubenwardy *responsive 23:50 Jordach right time to port singleplayer to the new format 23:51 rubenwardy !g Imgui 23:51 ShadowBot rubenwardy: ocornut/imgui: Bloat-free Immediate Mode Graphical User ... - One-off donations via PayPal: dear imgui (AKA ImGui), is a bloat-free graphical user interface library for C++. It outputs optimized vertex buffers that you can ... , GitHub - AdrienHerubel/imgui: A small multiplatform immediate ... - README.md imgui. A small (6 more messages) 23:51 rubenwardy there's no link there 23:51 benrob0329 just a moment 23:51 rubenwardy go home, ShadowBot, you're drunk 23:51 benrob0329 https://github.com/ocornut/imgui 23:52 benrob0329 Also 23:52 benrob0329 https://github.com/eliasdaler/imgui-sfml 23:52 benrob0329 Sfml backend \o/ 23:52 rubenwardy https://eliasdaler.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/imgui-sfml-tutorial-part-1/ 23:52 rubenwardy I remember seeing this on twitter actually 23:52 rubenwardy as I follow eliasdaler 23:53 rubenwardy but it was in dev at the time 23:53 benrob0329 https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/issues/123 23:53 rubenwardy or maybe just the SFML version 23:53 benrob0329 ^^screenshots 23:53 benrob0329 There are some really nice ones in there 23:54 rubenwardy hmmm 23:54 rubenwardy my sfgui windows are currently lacking 23:54 rubenwardy but I don't think a different library would fix that 23:54 rubenwardy https://twitter.com/rubenwardy/status/765590852509065224 23:55 benrob0329 https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/issues/973 23:55 benrob0329 Scroll down a bit there 23:55 benrob0329 There is a really nice login/menu gui 23:55 rubenwardy saw that, that's cool 23:56 rubenwardy ew, imgui filepicker 23:56 benrob0329 you could redo it 23:57 benrob0329 its build with imgui 23:57 rubenwardy it's an extension they made 23:57 rubenwardy but non-native filepickers are just wrong, to me 23:57 kaeza I can barely see a thing with the dust in your screen and the dust in my screen 23:57 rubenwardy my pinned tweet? 23:58 kaeza ye 23:58 benrob0329 rubenwardy: but they can be better depending on the program 23:58 benrob0329 like, blender 23:58 rubenwardy lol :D 23:58 benrob0329 i would work on some c++ tuts, but im not awake enough 23:59 benrob0329 so instead im going to try and install FreeBSD, because i can totally do that when im tierd 23:59 rubenwardy sounds good