Time  Nick         Message
05:05 octacian     Night all
09:40 Megaf        uh, help?
09:40 Megaf        http://paste.debian.net/plain/929841
09:41 Megaf        CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS="-Ofast -funroll-loops" cmake ../../ -DBUILD_SERVER=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DVERSION_EXTRA=Megaf -DREQUIRE_LUAJIT=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DENABLE_CURL=1 -DENABLE_CURSES=0 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=0 -DENABLE_GETTEXT=0 -DENABLE_LEVELDB=0 -DENABLE_LUAJIT=1 -DENABLE_POSTGRESQL=0 -DENABLE_REDIS=0 -DENABLE_SPATIAL=1 -DENABLE_SYSTEM_GMP=0 -DENABLE_SYSTEM_JSONCPP=0 -DLUA_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/include/luajit-2.1/
09:46 Megaf        Here's the full thing http://paste.debian.net/plain/929844
09:52 Megaf        not cause by the compiler or optimisation flags as it seems, tried with clang too
10:06 Megaf        I must be missing some package
10:09 Megaf        oh, I got it
10:11 Megaf        problem was on my system, thanks.
13:18 benrob0329   o/
13:23 benrob0329   game#793
13:51 benrob0329   (Offtopic) https://youtu.be/AB6IKDA4Ovs
14:37 benrob0329   Hi MegaF, wb Fixer
14:38 Megaf        greetings
14:39 Fixer        hi
14:41 Megaf        guys, can you please join my new test server just to check stuff like lag, latency, time to load world and stuff?
14:41 Megaf        please?
14:42 Megaf        178.79.130.6 30008 or mt.megaf.info 30008
14:59 Calinou      hi
15:00 Calinou      I installed a Kanboard instance on my VPS, to manage my open source/personal TODOs :P
15:00 Calinou      (this: https://kanboard.net/)
15:02 red-001      Megaf, I can't connect to mt.megaf.info
15:03 red-001      nvm
15:04 red-001      I didn't notice it was 30008 not 30000
15:28 red-001      new c++ mapgen https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17174
15:34 Megaf        red-001, garywhite, thanks for joining.
15:34 Megaf        garywhite, was the map loading fine for you?
15:35 garywhite    yeah
15:37 Megaf        well, I was surprised with the performance actually. Not bad for a single core CPU and 512 MB of RAM
15:38 Megaf        and this is running on the very same server as my main server runs
15:41 garywhite    red-001: Why would we need another mapgen?
15:42 red-001      don't ask me
15:42 red-001      ask the mapgen author
15:44 Fixer        garywhite: more the better
15:45 garywhite    Yeah, but it seems like flat with some hills mixed in...
16:03 red-001      http://archive.is/YypWZ
16:03 red-001      intersting Oldcoder doesn't seem to mind posting peoples addresses online
16:26 Krock        hi benrob0329, Shara
16:26 * Krock      tries to predict incoming 'hi's
16:30 shivajiva    Hi Krock
16:30 Krock        hi shivajiva. Gently managed it to dodge my predition ;)
16:56 Shara        Hello
16:56 octacian     red-001: so those sites are owned by OldCoder or what?
16:56 octacian     You guys seem to be indicating that they're related to him anyways
16:57 red-001      The rights-holder, for such content, is OldCoder
16:57 red-001      see the bottom of the site
16:58 octacian     OK, I must admit some of that seems weird. But SERIOUSLY, what is with you guys and OldCoder? He's apparently been a part of Minetest (in multiple ways) for over 5 years. From what I've been, he's a nice guy.
16:59 red-001      and the evidence seems to be telling a diffrent story
17:00 octacian     Yes, that is very true. But you guys have also done a lot to him.
17:00 red-001      example?
17:00 octacian     Trolling related to sneak glitch, removing OP on #minetest, banning on #minetest-dev (though I do somewhat understand the last)
17:01 red-001      he earned the last two through hard work on his part
17:01 red-001      not sure what do you mean by the first one
17:01 octacian     How exactly did he earn the last two?
17:02 red-001      the ban on -dev by accusing people of ddos'ing him with no prove
17:02 red-001      and in general causing a massive scene
17:02 nore         I don't think anyone trolled him relating to the sneak glitch anyway: yes, people did disagree with him, argued with him but nobody trolled him, at least in public
17:02 Shara        Just a note: this channel isn't #minetest-OCtalk.
17:03 red-001      and don't get me started on trolling
17:03 Shara        I accept some of these points are going to come up, but this might not be the best place for all of this.
17:03 Megaf        17:58:50-><octacian> OK, I must admit some of that seems weird. But SERIOUSLY, what is with you guys and OldCoder? He's apparently been a part of Minetest (in multiple ways) for over 5 years. From what I've been, he's a nice guy.
17:03 Megaf        he is
17:03 Megaf        awesome person
17:03 nore         yeah, we should stop talking about that sometime
17:04 nore         I'm getting tired of it
17:04 red-001      fair enough let's not talk about it then
17:05 Megaf        OldCoder deserves respect from us. He is a gentleman that has been in the coding world for more time most of you are alive
17:05 octacian     I agree
17:05 Megaf        He really knows what he is talking about
17:05 Shara        'Everyone' deserves respect. And it should be mutual. I think that much can be agreed on.
17:05 Megaf        and is completely non sense to just argue for no reason with him
17:05 octacian     Though some of the content of that site may seem, uh, different, we must remember that that is very old, newer sites have been very reasonable.
17:05 Megaf        Shara, I agree on that
17:06 Megaf        He does have some, let's say, issues... But who doesn't!?
17:06 octacian     red-001: Yes, I believe he approached the DDoS issue improperly, however, from my knowledge he had recently had devs calling him unkind things and stating some other items that caused him to believe that it would have likely been them.
17:07 octacian     ..and #minetest-dev is the only way to contact many of them. But I personally think he'd have been better off to contact them through PM.
17:07 octacian     Megaf: exactly :D
17:08 octacian     Anyways, my point is, OldCoder is a nice guy. I really don't like seeing you guys going around and spreading nasty information about him, especially considering that it is old.
17:09 Shara        octacian: Can we please leave the subject?
17:09 octacian     Sure lol
17:09 Shara        Thank you.
17:09 Shara        I'd fix all of this in a moment if I could, but I can't.
17:10 Shara        And since I can't, I now need tea and would love if someone offers doughnuts.
17:10 octacian     Well, those are two things I can't "fix" either.. Your on your own :P
17:10 Shara        :(
17:10 Shara        Was worth a try :P
17:11 rubenwardy   oldcoder has been a dick
17:11 rubenwardy   sorry
17:12 rubenwardy   doesn't mean he is a dick, just means his actions are
17:12 Megaf        rubenwardy, get over it :)
17:13 rubenwardy   he's still being a dick by PM-ing people aggressively, and running that website
17:13 * Megaf      don't know what's the sotry
17:13 Megaf        story*
17:14 Krock        rubenwardy, if it's apache, use a slow lory attack ;)
17:14 red-001      rubenwardy, he is still pm'ing people?
17:14 Krock        *loris
17:15 red-001      slow loris is one intersting attack
17:15 red-001      but didn't it get patched?
17:15 Krock        dunno
17:16 Krock        "patching" extremely slow connections ;)
17:17 octacian     The above shows exactly why OldCoder went to MT-dev when he was DDoSed. Also remember that those sites are old, and only one is still up. In OldCoder's perspective, most of the devs (who he trusted) have turned on him. Last thing I'm saying on the subject :P
17:19 rubenwardy   I'm not going to DDoS him.   false + false != true
17:20 * Megaf      will not touch the subject again. And believes whoever attacked in anyway whoever was attacked, should say sorry. And everybody should just be happy.
17:20 octacian     ^ +1
17:24 rubenwardy   minetest.org is an entirely new site (ie: the website was created a few weeks ago), although the domain was registered a while ago
17:25 octacian     ..I'll say one more thing... I've been aware of MT.org in it's current form for a while
17:25 octacian     (sorry Shara xD0
17:25 octacian     :rotfl:
17:25 benrob0329   Hi Krock, octacian
17:25 octacian     hey benrob0329
17:26 octacian     And you know what, Shara: here's some donuts 🍩🍩🍩
17:26 octacian     :P
17:26 Shara        Than you :D
17:26 Shara        Thank*
17:27 octacian     lol
17:27 rubenwardy   you're missing something
17:27 rubenwardy   ☕
17:28 benrob0329   Cofee?
17:28 benrob0329   *Coffee
17:28 Fixer        rubenwardy: PEPE ☕
17:28 rubenwardy   ofc
17:28 Krock        0xC0FFEE
17:28 benrob0329   Meh, not a fan
17:29 Krock        you're an air conditioner instead
17:29 benrob0329   Nope, I'm a heater
17:29 Shara        No, no coffee for me.
17:29 Shara        Tea all the way
17:29 benrob0329   that's why I live in Michigan :P
17:30 rubenwardy   tea's good too
17:34 Megaf        I having milk with chocolate
17:34 Megaf        Iḿ
17:46 tenplus1     hi folks
17:48 lumidify     Hi tenplus1
17:48 tenplus1     hi lum
17:48 garywhite    hi ten
17:48 tenplus1     channel seems quiet today
17:48 tenplus1     hi gary
17:49 Megaf        Hello onety one!
17:49 tenplus1     hi Megaf
17:50 Shara        Hi tenplus1
17:50 tenplus1     hi Shara
17:50 Shara        You need to offer doughnuts to get us talking
17:50 Shara        You should know this by now :)
17:51 tenplus1     heh, never got out today to buy any... pah!
17:51 * tenplus1   offers cough drop
17:51 Shara        Noooo :(
17:51 tenplus1     ehe
17:52 benrob0329   Hi ten
17:52 tenplus1     Farming Redo updated to 1.25 - has farming.conf file to enable crops (mod folder for global, world folder for local)
17:52 tenplus1     hi ben
17:54 * benrob0329 offers angel food cake
17:55 Megaf        minetest@GameOn:~/minetest$ rm -rf worlds/
17:55 Megaf        minetest@GameOn:~/minetest$
17:55 Megaf        I shouldn't've done that
17:55 benrob0329   Probably not
17:55 Megaf        onetyone can you please give the link to farming plus?
17:55 benrob0329   !mod farming_plus
17:56 benrob0329   Aww, we need mtbot
17:56 tenplus1     my own farming redo ? or the actual old farming plus mod ?
17:56 Megaf        18:52:12-><tenplus1> Farming Redo updated to 1.25 - has farming.conf file to enable crops (mod folder for global, world folder for local)
17:56 Megaf        dat ^
17:56 tenplus1     github.com/tenplus1/farming
17:56 Megaf        Cheers!
17:56 tenplus1     it's a drop in replacement for farming...
17:57 tenplus1     overrides default
17:57 Megaf        yup
17:57 Megaf        any other lightweight cool and efficient mod you have I can try on my new test server?
17:58 tenplus1     github.com/tenplus1 <-- take your pick, I've redone a few...  I recommend builtin_item as it adds waterflow features to dropped items and ice sliding
17:59 Shara        What kind of server is it, Megaf?
17:59 Megaf        Shara, a server that I do rm -rf worlds several times a day
17:59 Shara        heh
18:00 Megaf        Shara, I came up with some trademark copyrighted closed source compilers, compilers flags, building flags and conf options that made minetestserver MUCH fastah
18:01 Megaf        basically running my main Megaf Server, that uses 60% of CPU at any single moment and this new server I'm testing at the same time, single core and 512 MB of RAM, tha new one is fast, very fast
18:01 Shara        Fast is good.
18:01 * tenplus1   sneaks a peek at Megaf's settings
18:01 tenplus1     :P
18:02 Megaf        tenplus1, your castle fork, any good?
18:03 tenplus1     it's very light and tailored for use with ethereal
18:03 tenplus1     and containers all use protection_bypass for admin
18:04 Megaf        do I need ethereal?
18:04 Megaf        for castle
18:04 tenplus1     not really, you can comment out the icebrick line for pillars to avoid using it
18:05 Megaf        me gusta https://github.com/Ezhh/handholds
18:05 tenplus1     ehehe :P
18:06 Fixer        tenplus1: how exactly your sheep redo regrows its wool?
18:06 Megaf        tenplus1, Shara, mt.megaf.info 30008
18:07 Megaf        just started
18:07 Megaf        world will be generated when you login
18:07 tenplus1     Fixer: you can tame sheep (8x wheat) to force regrow wool... or wait until it eats grass to do so on it's own
18:07 tenplus1     same with cows... feed 8x wheat to make more milk  or wait for it to feed
18:07 Megaf        tenplus1, I added ethereal and castle
18:07 Shara        Megaf, you are ignoring my PMs :P
18:07 Megaf        Shara, nope, just busy, I read it
18:08 Shara        Pft :P
18:08 benrob0329   tenplus1: what is a good time/day to do the xanadu recording?
18:08 Megaf        tenplus1, ethereal changes the game totally, doesnt it?
18:09 Fixer        tenplus1: ah, ok
18:09 tenplus1     yeah, all new biomes
18:09 Megaf        it looks very different
18:09 tenplus1     ben, up to you... lemmie know when you're on so I can assign fly priv for fly
18:09 tenplus1     *flyby
18:10 benrob0329   K, ill have to make time to get on in early afternoon
18:10 benrob0329   Hi paramat
18:10 tenplus1     hi paramat
18:10 garywhite    hi paramat
18:11 paramat      hi all. thanks for the moonrealm video, quality editing and sorry the mod is so broken
18:12 benrob0329   paramat: thank you for making it, even if it is rather wip still
18:16 tenplus1     nice server
18:22 tenplus1     hi RobbieF
18:27 tenplus1     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RClFPv5r-0 da hell.... lolololololol
18:29 Megaf        tenplus1, how do I make your fire mod not spread?
18:29 Megaf        not burn
18:30 tenplus1     same as default...  minetest.conf and add   enable_fire = false
18:30 tenplus1     stops it burning/spreading
18:30 Megaf        19:05:03-><Megaf> me gusta https://github.com/Ezhh/handholds
18:30 Megaf        19:07:43-><Shara> Megaf, you are ignoring my PMs :P
18:30 tenplus1     also... if it already has spread you can type:   /fire off    <-- stops it spreading and removes flames in current game
18:30 Megaf        I like that mod, now I have to learn how to use it
18:30 benrob0329   tenplus1: if I join from my phone, can you grant me fly?
18:31 tenplus1     k, lemmie go on server now
18:31 tenplus1     you already got account ?
18:31 Shara        Megaf: It's pretty simple. :)
18:31 tenplus1     k, am on server
18:34 benrob0329   tenplus1: I just realised my main account is benrob03 lol
18:34 benrob0329   oh well, I guess I can have a dedicated camera account :P
18:34 tenplus1     yeah, use the one you signed in under for that :)
18:35 tenplus1     will let shinji know
18:40 benrob0329   Thanks
18:41 benrob0329   Btw, xanadu should have an irc channel :P
18:41 tenplus1     nah, cant be bothered having another irc channel to look into :PPP
19:04 benrob0329   red++
19:05 red-002      red--
19:05 tenplus1     hi red
19:06 red-002      hi tenplus1
19:21 tenplus1     g'night folks
21:04 rubenwardy   New blog post: http://blog.rubenwardy.com/2017/04/28/a-rant-about-standardjs/
21:04 rubenwardy   Fixer will like this
21:04 Fixer        reading
21:05 Fixer        ah
21:05 Fixer        thank cthulhu i'm not dealing with this
21:07 rubenwardy   there's a hipster JS coder on our uni team that's forcing us to use Standard JS
21:07 rubenwardy   hipster JS is the best way to describe it
21:08 rubenwardy   I like JS, but I make logical decisions on technology to use. For example, I use a relational data base when dealing with relational data, not a nosql one just because it's cool
21:18 benrob0329   rubenwardy: JS itself is...interesting
21:40 Calinou      "some of us do have standards." :P
21:40 Calinou      I personally prefer Airbnb style guide, it makes a lot of sense overall
21:40 Calinou      JavaScript Standard Style just does not…
21:42 Calinou      http://eslint.org/ is the way to go for modern linting by the looks of it
21:43 Calinou      it can extend from many standard style sets, including that dreaded Standard Style and Airbnb
21:44 Calinou      this is Airbnb style guide btw, https://github.com/airbnb/javascript
21:58 rubenwardy   it's better
21:58 rubenwardy   but still 2 space indentation
21:58 rubenwardy   rather than, you know, giving each programmer a choice
21:58 rubenwardy   ala tabs
22:00 Jordach      what's wrong with tabs
22:01 Jordach      it was designed for a fucking purpose
22:01 Jordach      fucking 70s hippies not understanding convention
22:02 rubenwardy   I really don't see how tabs lost
22:13 Fixer        current mood: https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e35/12357700_464469330405959_1963486238_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTEzNzMwMzY5MjA2NDM3NjIzNA%3D%3D.2
22:21 Calinou      rubenwardy: tabs are not popular in webdev
22:21 Calinou      :P
22:21 Calinou      I'm fine with spaces
22:23 rubenwardy   Calinou, I fine with 4 spaces providing I'm using IntelliJ
22:23 Fixer        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjRjqYGNeQU
22:23 rubenwardy   so for web dev or Android that's fine
22:23 rubenwardy   2 spaces is disgusting though
22:24 Calinou      I have no issues with 2 spaces, really
22:24 rubenwardy   good for you :P
22:25 Fixer        fuck android, fuck webdev
22:25 Fixer        fuck apple
22:26 rubenwardy   Android is nice
22:26 rubenwardy   web dev as in HTML/CSS/JS, not so much
22:27 Calinou      I'm pretty happy with web dev overall
22:27 Calinou      native Android app dev looks a bit bleak…
22:30 Jordach      Calinou, and whats the reason for it
22:31 Jordach      because tabs can be any number of spaces
22:37 Calinou      yes, but tabs and spaces don't mix.
22:37 Calinou      so, say goodbye to alignment
22:40 rubenwardy   tabs and spaces definitely mixx
22:40 rubenwardy   I do it all the time
22:40 rubenwardy   tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment
22:41 Jordach      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
22:42 sofar        moar ^^
22:44 red-002      ^^
22:44 red-002      ^^
22:44 benrob0329   Spaces
22:47 sofar        \t\t   ^^
22:48 Calinou      yeah but it's inconsistent
22:48 Calinou      using spaces only is more consistent :P
22:48 benrob0329   ^^^^^^^^^^^^
22:48 sofar        if "cleanfile" allows it, I'm using it
22:55 rubenwardy   the "standard" js code style doesn't allow you to do alignment, anyway
22:56 benrob0329_  (Offtopic, but listen with headphones for best experience) https://youtu.be/IvUU8joBb1Q
23:13 Calinou      https://lut.im/cGQ1s0R4gS/EU37iQpmbPoEQVRa.png
23:13 Calinou      easter egg that can be found in KDE
23:16 Fixer        Calinou: explain
23:18 sofar        read thhgttg...
23:21 Shara        I only realised a little while back there was actually a part 6... :)
23:22 Fixer        wat you say?
23:23 * Fixer      rereads github again
23:25 Fixer        having 100 open issues in my github acc
23:25 Fixer        some minetest, some mods, some other
23:26 Fixer        167 closed
23:26 Fixer        interesting
23:27 Fixer        another day without crash in gdb
23:27 Fixer        maybe that crash was in some way related to csm chat... utf8 chars and such
23:28 Fixer        block not found errors in multiplayer
23:33 Calinou      rubenwardy: also, about comments on your blog, maybe look into Isso: https://github.com/posativ/isso
23:33 Calinou      (I haven't got it to work here, though)
23:33 Calinou      it has nice topics/tags on GitHub :D
23:35 rubenwardy   oh nice
23:37 Calinou      I'd like to implement something similar in PHP
23:37 Calinou      with MySQL/PostgreSQL support, for more scalability
23:39 rubenwardy   ew :P
23:42 Calinou      well, Isso is nice but it has no plans to support anything else than SQLite
23:42 Calinou      also, PHP is relatively speedier than Python, most of the time
23:47 Sokomine     hmm. any known problems with the latest version of mt?
23:49 Sokomine     seems i can't connect to anything anymore. neither one of my local worlds nor a server