Time  Nick         Message
00:06 benrob0329   Back
00:25 * Sokomine   waves an advertisement sign for trees_lib in front of paramat and octacian
00:25 octacian     Will take a look.
00:26 octacian     I'm making a subgame from scratch though, so unsure as to how good it would be
00:26 octacian     I already use one library, that being hudlib, so we'll see. Possibly trees_lib and plants_lib though...
00:27 Sokomine     it's just because you mentionned trees. i still think that my trees_lib would be fine for mtg
00:28 octacian     ..which reminds me, I need to update hudlib's forum post, it's way out of date and missing the features that actually make it good ATM xD
00:28 octacian     huh, will take a look though.
00:28 Sokomine     it does not handle the initial creation of the schematics or the placement of trees at mapgen times. it's just good for defining all the tree nodes (trunk, planks, leaves, sapling) and letting trees grow from saplings. but it's not up to date for the lba version of trees
00:31 octacian     Will take a look. ATM though, will probably write from scratch as my trees use two nodes for trunk, trunk node (larger), and log node (connected nodebox)
00:39 Sokomine     sounds intresting
00:48 benrob0329   You know, its really annoying when all of the sudden, things don't work right anymore
00:48 benrob0329   Its like, infuriating
00:48 benrob0329   Like, show me a wall you need taken down
00:49 benrob0329   Because my video editor just dicked me over
00:55 benrob0329   *sigh*
00:55 benrob0329   my recording audio has a good 1 sec delay on it now
00:56 benrob0329   And because I do a lot of cutting at the start of the video, its noticeable
01:14 benrob0329   o/ kaeza
01:14 kaeza        o/ benrob0329
01:15 * benrob0329 contemplates making a video editor with ffmpeg/sfml
01:16 benrob0329   *sigh* do I redo this video in Kdenlive?
01:16 benrob0329   Or blender
01:16 benrob0329   Or try to fix the audio
01:17 benrob0329   Possibly unsuccessfully
01:17 NathanS21    ben have you tried out shotcut?
01:17 benrob0329   Yes
01:17 NathanS21    I use that for all my videos, works fair well, for what I do
01:17 benrob0329   Too basic
01:17 NathanS21    Kdenlive never plays smooth for me, which I don't understand
01:18 benrob0329   I've always had problems with shotcut not rendering correctly, or just baling when I want it to do something big
01:18 benrob0329   Openshot wont even play
01:19 benrob0329   And every other editor slows down once you start to layer things
01:20 benrob0329   I can't quite figure out why layering an image is hard
01:20 octacian     paramat: So, I've got a problem. When I place a schematic using minetest.place_schematic, it's placed from the left corner rather than in the center where the trunk is. How can I change that?
01:20 benrob0329   every 2d framework layers hundreds of them fine
01:20 octacian     I'm guessing it has to do with yslice_prob?
01:20 benrob0329   Video editors, heck no
01:21 benrob0329   octacian: I just use relative coords
01:22 octacian     benrob0329: what do you mean? Just add/subtract from x and y a specific amount?
01:22 benrob0329   yes
01:24 octacian     I'm pretty sure there's another way to do it...
01:24 octacian     IDK though
01:24 benrob0329   spawn_pos = {x = (pos[x] + #), y = (pos[y] + #), z = (pos[z] + #)}
01:25 benrob0329   Its a bit of a pain, but it works
01:31 rubenwardy   benrob0329, there is no good foss video editor :(
01:32 rubenwardy   there's also no foss music player as good as itunes
01:32 rubenwardy   I use rhythymbox, but the UI sucks
01:40 paramat      erm ..
01:44 benrob0329   rubenwardy: I hear Clementine is good
01:44 benrob0329   And Kdenlive is getting beyter
01:44 benrob0329   its seen huge performance boosts
01:44 NathanS21    Clementine is great
01:45 benrob0329   *better
01:45 benrob0329   But no video editor that I have found can handle animation or layering well
01:45 kaeza        what "good" do you need in a music player? audacious+caja or really anything works fine for me
01:46 benrob0329   I can legit use mplayer if I need to, I'm not picky when it comes to music
01:46 paramat      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L984 there are centering flags but i don't think you can use thse with 'place schematic'
01:46 benrob0329   But Gnome's build in Music app works as well
01:46 paramat      just offset the placement point as described
01:46 benrob0329   (And don't you dare tell me that gnome can go die)
01:47 kaeza        ew GNOME3
01:47 benrob0329   ew <INSERT DE HERE>
01:47 kaeza        GNOME2 is fine tho
01:47 benrob0329   Heh, if you like yout screen real estate taken up with 2 bars
01:48 benrob0329   3 actually
01:48 paramat      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/trees.lua#L377 just as done here
01:49 kaeza        better than navigating hamburger menus looking for some option
01:49 kaeza        plus G3's "bar" or whatever it's called takes even more space than a traditional title bar + menu bar combo
01:49 benrob0329   Global menus? If done right they do wonders for an app
01:49 benrob0329   Pixel Saver helps with that
01:50 benrob0329   Aka it hides the crap outa that when maximized
01:50 benrob0329   Unless the app needs it to be shown
01:50 paramat      nothing to do with y-slice
01:51 benrob0329   so basically, minetest is practically full screened, without having to handcuff myself to a sungle workspace
01:51 benrob0329   (If you touch literally anything minetest freaks the heck out in fullscreen
01:52 paramat      schems are placed from their 'minimum point': min x/y/z
01:53 rubenwardy   kaeza, itunes has a really nice album art view
01:53 kaeza        rubenwardy, uh album art?
01:54 rubenwardy   http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2012/12/albums-view-2-100017933-orig.png
01:54 kaeza        I just need to listen to music; I don't care abotu album art at all :P
01:54 benrob0329   Thats in...literally almost every music app
01:54 rubenwardy   none of the ones I've found
01:55 rubenwardy   there's album listings, but no album art tiles where you can then click to see art
01:55 rubenwardy   s/art/tracks/g
01:55 benrob0329   https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Music
01:56 rubenwardy   I have a feeling I tried that ages ago and it didn't work, but I'll try again
02:10 rubenwardy   gnome music didn't work
02:11 rubenwardy   but in researching it I found a better looking one - lollipop
02:11 benrob0329   Heard of it
02:11 benrob0329   Never tried it
02:16 rubenwardy   thanks though!
02:16 rubenwardy   this is what I'd hope would happen by mentioning that
02:17 benrob0329   rubenwardy: so how is it?
02:18 rubenwardy   it's good
02:18 rubenwardy   so far
02:22 * benrob0329 watches the new ep of Doctor Who
02:22 rubenwardy   it's good :D
02:22 rubenwardy   the writing for this series has been good so far, imo
02:22 benrob0329   I mean the second new ep
02:23 rubenwardy   no eye dust yet
02:27 benrob0329   "It speeks emoji" of fricken corse
02:30 rubenwardy   XD
02:30 rubenwardy   night o/
03:57 benrob0329   Update:
03:57 benrob0329   Audio was not an issue with flowblade
03:58 benrob0329   Files got mixed up and I renamed on thinking it was the original
03:58 benrob0329   Was actually a proxy
03:58 benrob0329   So I am rendering the fixed version now as a losless h264
03:59 benrob0329   Ill probable recompress it for upload using WINFF
03:59 benrob0329   *WinFF
04:15 octacian     Night all!
06:00 benrob0329   http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized
06:00 benrob0329   Gnight all
06:29 Zeno`        I use solarized dark (with some very small modifications)
08:51 Shara        Morning all
08:51 sfan5        morning
09:06 tenplus1     hi folks
09:08 Shara        Hi sfan5, hi tenplus1 :)
09:08 tenplus1     hi Shara :)
09:26 CWz          Ay
09:27 tenplus1     hi CWz
09:28 tenplus1     I've noticed that sometimes when placing a chest or hopper it doesnt create the formspec
09:28 tenplus1     totally random but happens at times
10:11 tenplus1     hi fixer
10:57 tenplus1     heh, the Pixel Shadow episode on Xanadu was quite funny, shame they got lost for a while: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K97uXmMqr3Q
11:03 tenplus1     hi kaeza
11:04 kaeza        hi tenplus1
11:35 tenplus1     hi rubenwardy
11:35 rubenwardy   hi tenplus1
11:41 tenplus1     heh, we have an influx of new players beacause of video now :PP
11:41 tenplus1     thx robbie
11:47 tenplus1     hrm, irc stalled
11:53 tenplus1     hi behalebabo
11:53 behalebabo   hello
12:09 tenplus1     hi Darcidride
12:10 Jordach      hi tenplus1
12:10 Jordach      :^)
12:10 tenplus1     hi Jordach
12:10 tenplus1     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K97uXmMqr3Q
12:10 Jordach      lma
12:10 tenplus1     did you see it already :P?
12:11 Jordach      >twisting body
12:11 Jordach      *automatically suspicious*
12:12 tenplus1     lol... it's pixel shadow episode :P
12:12 sfan5        >nyancat rainbow
12:12 sfan5        rip
12:12 tenplus1     nope...  got a replacement pbj_pup mod that has nyan kitty back in action... can find both spawning in world
12:43 tenplus1     the 0,0,0 glitch and the 0,0,0 slide glitch may be linked in some way
12:43 tenplus1     hi nathan
12:43 NathanS21    hi tenplus1
12:45 tenplus1     wb ruben
12:46 rubenwardy   hey tenplus1
12:46 tenplus1     :P
13:03 tenplus1     hi lumidify
13:07 lumidify     Hi sin-1(0.1908089954)
13:07 tenplus1     :P
13:07 * tenplus1   has sin'ned
13:07 lumidify     (this is in degrees, not radians, btw)
13:08 tenplus1     ah, good to know :DD
13:09 tenplus1     btw we have knockback on Xanadu which we are testing, and the slide bug when detatching player is quite noticable... also sometimes sticks player at 0,0,0 location which may give insight to the joining 0,0,0 glitch
13:11 sfan5        the 0,0,0 bug is aleady fixed
13:11 tenplus1     what was causing it ???
13:11 tenplus1     also hi sfan :P
13:12 sfan5        this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/c38985825f299999135cc01aaf0052ec9138135a ?
13:12 tenplus1     it was weird that hitting player a few hundred times to cause knockback eventually resulted in them moving to 0,0,0 location when they were no where near that
13:12 sfan5        that's a different one for which the PR is not merged
13:56 nerzhul      hi sfan5 :)
14:00 nerzhul      sfan5, do you think i can re-use your method of windows build to generate a proper user snapshot for windows ?
14:02 benrob0329   I smell a nerzhul
14:03 Fixer        hi
14:03 benrob0329   Hello
14:04 nerzhul      benrob0329, wtf
14:04 * VanessaE   tosses nerzhul some deodorant
14:04 VanessaE     here, this ought to help
14:04 VanessaE     ;)
14:04 benrob0329   heh
14:05 nerzhul      it's not for me :p
14:08 benrob0329   Nah, you need a detox to smell better
14:09 * benrob0329 checks Github
14:10 benrob0329   >no notifications
14:10 benrob0329   :-(
14:15 Fixer        nerzhul: what to do you think about autobuilding flatpak/whatever daily builds?
14:21 VanessaE     bbl
14:24 benrob0329   Hi rubenwardy
14:26 nerzhul      Fixer, i think it can be a good idea to have all build possible but i don't have knowledge about flatpack, i need to document
14:27 nerzhul      i really want Gitlab CI to automate a daily build pipeline for various distros DEB/RPM/EXE/FartPack
14:36 sfan5        nerzhul: the buildbot does exactly what you need
14:37 nerzhul      perfect, does it generate a distributable binary dir or should i extra data from it and exe ?
14:39 nerzhul      i should go, will re-read in 1 h :)
14:41 benrob0329   What about Tar.Gz for Arch?
14:43 sfan5        why would we have a build for arch which has the AUR
14:43 sfan5        that's similarily useless as providing binary packages for gentoo
14:44 benrob0329   https://youtu.be/HVsEBGk5RVI
14:44 benrob0329   True
14:45 Jordach      sfan5, rekt
14:45 benrob0329   paramat: that's the moonrealm video
14:46 benrob0329   I wish I could have put a bit more work in but Flowblade was being a bitch.
14:46 benrob0329   !tell paramat https://youtu.be/HVsEBGk5RVI
14:46 ShadowBot    benrob0329: O.K.
14:48 tenplus1     hi folks
14:48 Jordach      hi tenplus1
14:48 tenplus1     ehe, snap!
14:49 benrob0329   Hi ten
14:49 tenplus1     hi ben
14:49 * tenplus1   got caught in a hail storm
14:49 benrob0329   Remind me not to use flowblade until some bugs get worked out
14:49 tenplus1     flowblade ? whassat
14:50 benrob0329   https://youtu.be/HVsEBGk5RVI < the render freaks out quite a bit :-(
14:50 Jordach      video editor
14:50 Jordach      (NLE)
14:50 benrob0329   MLT bades
14:50 benrob0329   *based
14:51 tenplus1     video plays okie
14:51 tenplus1     am I missing something
14:51 benrob0329   Also, I don't think that the volume worked :-(
14:51 benrob0329   It plays
14:51 benrob0329   But its a crap render
14:52 benrob0329   And the music is too loud
14:52 tenplus1     ah yes, I see fuzziness in some frames
14:54 tenplus1     lolol, "... and now a very tired Ben tries to farm on the moon"... ahaha nice!
14:56 Fixer        commits suicide within 5 minutes since nothing to farm
14:56 benrob0329   Lol
14:56 Jordach      inb4 the Moontian
14:56 Jordach      coming to theatres near you soon
14:56 tenplus1     if you grow apple tree on moonrealm does it surround it in air ?
14:57 benrob0329   Idk
14:57 tenplus1     or am I thinking of a minecraft mod... o.O
14:57 benrob0329   Yeah volume doesn't work
14:58 benrob0329   Its a known issue, I guess that for once the arch repos don't have the newest version of something
14:58 tenplus1     *cough* debian
14:58 benrob0329   Which never updates
14:58 Jordach      tenplus1, galacticraft
14:59 tenplus1     ahh, prolly... if Yogscast used it then yes, that's the one :P
14:59 * Jordach    remembers the jaffa factory
14:59 tenplus1     try using Xubuntu 17.04... it's pretty good and latest drivers etc
14:59 tenplus1     ahah yeh.... huge tin o beans as well
15:00 Jordach      >drivers
15:00 Jordach      nice meme
15:01 tenplus1     lol...  youtube has some weird ass dank memes lately
15:02 benrob0329   I like arch > gnome
15:02 tenplus1     what dm are you using on arch ?
15:02 benrob0329   LightDM
15:02 benrob0329   It comes with Antergos, I just haven't felt like changing it
15:02 tenplus1     lxde w/t openbox ?  xfce ?
15:03 benrob0329   Gnome3
15:03 tenplus1     ohh...  tried it, was too heavy for me
15:03 benrob0329   Funnily enough, gnome only takes up 150 mb of ram, and almost no cpu
15:04 benrob0329   that's less than my web browser at times
15:04 tenplus1     nice... is that in total sitting on desktop after boot ?
15:04 * tenplus1   uses LXDE and sits at 120mb
15:04 benrob0329   that's sitting whilst doing things
15:04 tenplus1     gotta retry it sometime
15:05 benrob0329   gnome + fancy effects turned off = light
15:05 tenplus1     also full wayland support so might be able to do away with xorg
15:06 benrob0329   Also, get the pixel saver extension
15:06 tenplus1     whassat do ?
15:06 benrob0329   it'll hide most title bars on maximize
15:06 tenplus1     does it have global menus ?
15:07 benrob0329   those can't be hidden (aka it doesn't hide those menus)
15:08 benrob0329   but things like Minetest benefit from it a lot
15:08 tenplus1     kewl
15:08 tenplus1     will install later and test it out :)
15:08 benrob0329   Like, that video was recorded in windowed mode
15:08 tenplus1     since ubuntu is switching to gnome3 anyhoo
15:09 benrob0329   But yeah you'll probablu want to turn off most animations and stuff
15:10 benrob0329   That wont play nice with a netbook
15:10 tenplus1     definitely... not that much into eye candy at all, even minetest is running with it all disabled :P
15:11 tenplus1     I prefer speed and low memory usage over visuals :P
15:14 benrob0329   tenplus1: you'll want gconf editor, and probably dconf
15:14 benrob0329   They help with tweaking
15:14 benrob0329   Like, you can set org.gnome.desktop.interface.enable-animations
15:15 benrob0329   In gconf
15:15 benrob0329   (Terminal works too, this is just nicer)
15:16 tenplus1     no settings menu for al that in gnome3 ?
15:16 benrob0329   I would also reccomend removing your system's gnome-shell-extensions package and using the web interface
15:17 benrob0329   Gconf is part of Gnome3
15:17 tenplus1     ahkewl...
15:17 * tenplus1   scribbles this down :D
15:17 benrob0329   its just not a necessary app
15:17 benrob0329   So most distros leave it out by default
15:17 tenplus1     I like how easy it is to tweak things :D
15:18 benrob0329   You can break things horribly if your not careful, as with any advanced tweak tool
15:18 tenplus1     lol
15:18 benrob0329   So only change things that don't look suspicious :P
15:19 * tenplus1   glares at windows... suspiscious indeed
15:19 benrob0329   Lol
15:20 benrob0329   Using a PNG icon theme helps aswell
15:20 benrob0329   As then they aren't rerendered
15:20 tenplus1     lubuntu default has nice square png icons
15:21 benrob0329   numix ftw
15:21 tenplus1     hi nrz
15:21 benrob0329   greetings nerzhul
15:21 tenplus1     numix is ok, prefer light flat themes
15:22 benrob0329   I more mean the icon theme
15:22 benrob0329   (That is light and flat :P )
15:22 tenplus1     sweet
15:22 benrob0329   Ark is a nice thene
15:22 benrob0329   *mr
15:23 benrob0329   *e
15:24 benrob0329   I wonder if there is ark-solarized :P
15:24 tenplus1     o.O gnome3 desky is 184mb install ???? wut!
15:25 benrob0329   184mb for a desktop environment isn't bad
15:26 benrob0329   (that's Desktop + themes + icons + apps)
15:26 tenplus1     will download ubuntu-gnome and test that instead ;D
15:27 benrob0329   *cough* antergos *cough*
15:27 tenplus1     lolol
15:28 benrob0329   Having on install options is nice
15:30 tenplus1     I like adding .iso files to the 40_custom file and booting into live iso's from ssd
15:39 benrob0329   tenplus1: You really should bood Antergos though, its  beautiful
15:40 benrob0329   *boot
15:42 tenplus1     downloading :P
15:47 benrob0329   Also, https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Polari is the official gnome irc client (not that I use it)
15:48 tenplus1     looks basic...
15:48 Wayward_One  hi all
15:48 benrob0329   Thr auto patsebin upload feature looks nice
15:49 tenplus1     hi Wayward_One
15:49 benrob0329   Hi wayward
15:51 tenplus1     hi sniper
15:56 tenplus1     I kinda wish there was a linux distro that would work on mobiles instead of android
15:56 benrob0329   SailfishOS
15:56 benrob0329   Or some fork of Ubuntu Touch possibly
15:57 benrob0329   Tbh Gnome is the most tough friendly interface I've seen
15:57 benrob0329   *touch
15:57 tenplus1     my lenovo mobile has been stripped back and still uses 426mb just to sit and answer calls...  I'd rather have a linux desky with caller app instead :PPP  wishful thinking tho
15:57 tenplus1     latest gnome 3.2 does look good
15:59 tenplus1     I've used the Meizu MX-4 when it was out, my bro had one running Ubuntu Touch...  great device :PP
16:00 benrob0329   https://www.gnome.org/news/2017/03/gnome-3-24-released/
16:00 tenplus1     wait... recipes ???? wut
16:00 tenplus1     nightlight is handy tho
16:01 Wayward_One  plasma mobile looks good too: https://plasma-mobile.org/
16:02 tenplus1     plasma, as in kde ???
16:02 Wayward_One  yep
16:02 tenplus1     ooh... I do like me some kde :)))
16:03 tenplus1     if it's native linux then hell yeah... will try that
16:03 benrob0329   https://youtu.be/_Z1PAXiyTB0
16:03 benrob0329   Gnome is going places :D
16:08 benrob0329   That video was made with Blender O_O
16:14 tenplus1     blender is pretty good lately, I ilke the video/game engine included
16:24 benrob0329   BGE is very outdated
16:24 benrob0329   Blender is great for animation
16:24 benrob0329   But the VSE is really slow
16:24 tenplus1     yeah some of the movies done with it are amazing... the dragon one (cant remember name) was kewl
16:25 benrob0329   (And doesn't handle proper image transform)
16:26 tenplus1     if only it had a proper import.export for b3d
16:27 benrob0329   Although, you can use scenes in the vse
16:28 benrob0329   So you could actually use blender internal with a shadeless material to do animation
16:28 benrob0329   I should try that
16:28 tenplus1     one of these days I gotta try it out...
16:29 tenplus1     btw, is anyone good with textures ?
16:29 benrob0329   i used blender for that page scroll
16:29 benrob0329   Worked out pretty nice
16:31 tenplus1     we need better textures for the horse mobs... the current one's are far too basic
16:33 benrob0329   tbh most mobs need new models
16:33 tenplus1     yeh...
16:33 benrob0329   DM especially
16:34 tenplus1     current models are donated by many different ppl...
16:34 benrob0329   And reused over the years
16:34 tenplus1     heh yeah...
16:34 benrob0329   But hey, who needs zombies wheb you have animated dirt?
16:35 tenplus1     I kept the simple mobs cause that's what redo was built from :P
16:35 tenplus1     but on xanadu dirt monsters have a zombie texture :D
16:35 benrob0329   that's totaly not possessed by the soul of previous respawns
16:36 tenplus1     lolol
16:36 tenplus1     it's good to see many new mob api's making an appearance on server tho :) it's a feature ppl want on mt
16:37 benrob0329   I should try my hand at redoing the dm model
16:37 tenplus1     go for it :)))
16:37 benrob0329   Based on that one drawing from a long time ago
16:37 benrob0329   Idk if I could find it at this point
16:37 tenplus1     on xanadu we use a re-textured player model for dungeon master :) and the dungeon lord uses the big model
16:39 tenplus1     mobs that look like players seem to be more scary
16:39 tenplus1     hi Krock
16:39 Krock        hi tenplus1
16:39 Krock        was I faster this time? *hopes*
16:39 tenplus1     1 second out
16:40 Krock        aww shit man
16:40 tenplus1     :P
16:40 Shara        Hi Krock
16:40 Krock        hi Shara
16:40 tenplus1     wb sh
16:40 tenplus1     *hara
16:40 Shara        :P
16:40 tenplus1     ooh, I really gotta clean my kb tonight :D
16:40 Shara        I'd say :P
16:40 benrob0329   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7161&hilit=drawing+dungeon+master
16:40 tenplus1     ahaha
16:41 benrob0329   ^^ that is what a DM should look like
16:41 tenplus1     hrm... that'd be scary as hell
16:41 Krock        benrob0329, old topic but the art is still great
16:41 benrob0329   tenplus1: exactly!
16:42 benrob0329   A DUNGEON Master shouldn't look like a hiant teddy bear
16:42 benrob0329   *giant
16:42 tenplus1     yeah it is kinda cuddle, even with 3 diff textures
16:43 benrob0329   It should be fearsom and menacing
16:43 benrob0329   Something that if you see it...run
16:43 benrob0329   Because unless your a Dungeon Wisperer, you going to doe
16:43 benrob0329   *die
16:44 tenplus1     especially with knockback on...  you get tossed around like a caesar salad
16:44 benrob0329   Granted, if you do tame one that'd be awesome :D
16:44 benrob0329   Its be like an Iron Golem, only more amazing :-)
16:45 benrob0329   Its like, "oh what, you build a littke statue"
16:46 tenplus1     *boom* fireballs
16:46 benrob0329   "I tamed the f*cking master of the underground."
16:46 benrob0329   "Fear me, not some wimpy iron blocks."
16:47 tenplus1     maybe I shoudl add a staff to mobs_monsters that fires dm fireballs...  special/very rare items to make it
16:49 Shara        Yes you should :P
16:49 Shara        But non destructive ones please :P
16:49 tenplus1     and they definitaly need to respect protection :DDD
16:50 Shara        They shouldn't destroy the landscape at all if giving them to players
16:50 tenplus1     only mobs :P
16:50 Shara        Yup
16:50 Shara        (or other players)
16:51 * Shara      sometimes rides around on a dragon toasting players with fireballs
16:51 tenplus1     sweet... am still swithering whether to add those to server...
16:51 Shara        hehehe
16:51 Shara        well, I still don't have dragons spawnning naturally it seems
16:52 Shara        I really need to tweak values sometime
16:52 tenplus1     what are the current mob:spawn settings ?
16:52 Shara        Don't remember right now
16:52 Shara        andI have a cat sitting on my arm, so it's difficult to look at anything outside this window :)
16:52 tenplus1     hehehe
16:53 benrob0329   tenplus1: btw, how does one get into Xandu?
16:53 tenplus1     borders are currently open, anyone can join :P
16:53 benrob0329   sweet
16:53 benrob0329   for how long?
16:53 tenplus1     I still wanna change mob spawning for animals to lbm's... spawn on map generation only so they are rare
16:54 tenplus1     should be open for a good while, until server resets and closes it again :D
16:54 Shara        I ran about a bit on there a few nights ago. Players were chatting about how much they like glowworms :P
16:54 tenplus1     heh yeah, and I love the iron fishing rod using glowworms
16:55 Shara        I still want to add more things to CRL, but been distracted
16:55 tenplus1     what kinda things you got in mind ?
16:55 Shara        And got annoyed by stairs when I wanted to add them
16:55 Shara        Too many stairs mods to think about :P
16:56 benrob0329   there, now my name is registered :P
16:56 tenplus1     yeah it gets very annoying
16:56 tenplus1     ehe, visit public tree and crop farms to stock up on a few things before exploring bed :P
16:56 tenplus1     *ben
16:57 garywhite    tenplus1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K97uXmMqr3Q
16:57 Shara        That's the only reason CRL doesn't have stairs/slabs yet for the bricks
16:57 tenplus1     hi gary
16:57 garywhite    hi
16:57 tenplus1     ehe, seen it already dude :P
16:57 benrob0329   <muffled> hmmm, not much in here..oh there's that sock I kicked off last night </muffled>
16:58 tenplus1     stairs redo uses same registration as default stairs, but has stairs.register_all _corner _invcorner _slope as extras
17:00 benrob0329   M
17:00 benrob0329   ah crap
17:00 Shara        yea, I'd want to include redo
17:01 tenplus1     it's a straight drop in, but... it doesnt use the fine pointing functions... it keeps things very simple
17:01 Shara        Maybe you can help me with it sometime?
17:01 tenplus1     yeah no probs
17:01 Shara        Been a while since I looked at it, but kept feeling like I was missing something
17:01 benrob0329   tenplus1: would you want a Xanadu cinematic video? (with permission from builder ofc)
17:01 tenplus1     sounds good ben, will run it by Shinji 1st
17:02 tenplus1     Shara: I prefer placing stairs on a specific face and using shift to place in different rotations :) it's a lot easier to remember
17:02 benrob0329   Id do one for VE servers, but even my rig struggles with those :P
17:03 tenplus1     I remember an ethereal flyby which was nice :) although ethereal has been updated since then with some new biomes :D
17:03 benrob0329   Yeah, I kinda want videos like that to be a regular thing :P
17:03 tenplus1     kewl :) would love to see them for different mapgens :D
17:04 benrob0329   Finding tge music is the hardest part tbh
17:04 tenplus1     *cough* goa trance for server
17:04 benrob0329   Link?
17:04 tenplus1     er... lol...
17:04 benrob0329   What..I missed sonething
17:05 tenplus1     I have many songs I like but none you can use by license :PPPPP
17:05 benrob0329   >
17:05 benrob0329   Joke / head
17:06 tenplus1     qwhat's a good cc0 music site
17:06 benrob0329   Cc-by/sa is fine too
17:06 benrob0329   Just no nc
17:07 benrob0329   Funnily enough, both of my cinematic videos were like an hour of footage chopped down to about 3 mins
17:07 tenplus1     http://freemusicarchive.org/curator/video
17:09 tenplus1     http://freemusicarchive.org/search/?adv=1&quicksearch=&search-genre=Electronic%2C+Deselect+All&duration_from=&duration_to=&music-filter-CC-attribution-only=on&music-filter-CC-attribution-sharealike=1&music-filter-CC-attribution-noncommercial=1&music-filter-CC-attribution-noncommercial-sharealike=1&music-filter-public-domain=1&music-filter-remix-allowed=1
17:09 tenplus1     ooh big link...
17:09 tenplus1     free to use electronica :P
17:11 * Shara      wants to see more good videos too
17:12 benrob0329   Ah, but finding the best of the music is difficult
17:12 tenplus1     Minetest needs more celebrities on youtube :) I love watching vids on it...
17:12 Shara        I wonde rif Robbie will film on DL next like he said
17:12 tenplus1     hope so :)))))) that'd be fun... I like your spawn area
17:12 tenplus1     and pet hedgehogs
17:13 * Shara      is playing with grappling hook mod again
17:14 tenplus1     I still like the idea of gloves in armor mod that enables sneak glitch so players can climb faces/buildings
17:14 Shara        Yea, that's what I always hoped for
17:14 benrob0329   Oohh, +1
17:14 Shara        Make the extra mobility a thing to earn, maybe sacrificing some defence for it
17:15 tenplus1     since we have 6 armor slots anyhoo... always 1 extra for gloves :D
17:15 Shara        I'd have liked to see 6 used for some kind of generic accessories
17:16 benrob0329   but whay would Sam's gloves look like?
17:16 Shara        I still have the bubble talisman I made for breathing underwater lying around unused
17:16 benrob0329   Boxes made of leather?
17:16 tenplus1     since the new armor api has inventory functions now we can have them add fly, fast and other privs
17:16 tenplus1     a ghost shell that allows noclip etc
17:16 Shara        even made the texture for that thing
17:17 Shara        but it would use up the slot for chest armour currently, and I can't decide if I like that
17:17 tenplus1     same way you use different boots for speed, jumping, gravity etc... you use what you need at the time
17:17 benrob0329   I might redo that video in blender
17:18 tenplus1     which one ?
17:18 benrob0329   Moonrealm
17:18 tenplus1     the link you pasted earlier ?
17:18 tenplus1     ahh gotcha
17:18 benrob0329   Yes
17:18 Shara        but I'm hesitant to look at adding armour for sneak until we know what state sneak will end up in.
17:18 benrob0329   and post that as my main Thursday video
17:18 benrob0329   unlisting the old one
17:18 tenplus1     good point...  I want original sneak glitch possibility with the falling/sneak bug fixed
17:18 Shara        It's no good building mods around an option that will only last one version
17:19 Shara        Sadly I don't think that's going to be an option
17:19 benrob0329   Proper parkour in mt woukd be awesome :D
17:19 benrob0329   Make people want to update, instead of fork
17:19 tenplus1     the one thing minecraft didnt have was sneak glitch that allowed so many player moves :P walking along wall ledges and handholds etc
17:20 tenplus1     in Xanadu Mk2 we had the parkour tower that was amazing, relied on every aspect of player movement to complete
17:20 Shara        I really liked the whole needing to hold shift mechanic because it did actually require some attentiona nd focus to do really tricky stuff
17:21 tenplus1     +100
17:22 Shara        But unless one of us makes code that does all that without the bad parts, we're likely not getting it all :P
17:22 tenplus1     b uuuuuuu
17:22 tenplus1     wish I kept up with my c++ code learning
17:22 benrob0329   Like I said, proper parkor :P
17:23 Shara        Same feeling Ten
17:23 benrob0329   Rather than sneak, add wall jumps, rolls, leaps
17:23 tenplus1     I know sneak currently lets you fall and catch a ledge to stop falling, but you cannot walk along the ledge like before or jump
17:23 Shara        I can't see that going down well
17:24 tenplus1     enablking old behaviour gives you that but you can take advantage of sneak glitch to stop fall damage :(
17:24 benrob0329   Allow the player to crawl, and sneal through enamy territory
17:24 tenplus1     we need sneak animation
17:24 Shara        I run a fairly serious survival server and honestly don't care about the fall damage.
17:24 tenplus1     also crawl (1x1 block size)
17:24 Shara        If you need fall damage to make it difficult, you're doing it wrong :P
17:24 benrob0329   Shift = sneak, ctrl = crawl
17:25 tenplus1     sneak animation we can see... :PPP
17:25 Shara        Hmm, not sure if being able to crawl would just be weird in a game like this
17:25 tenplus1     would be fun exploring :D
17:26 Krock        testing sneak code and forgot that the sneak glitch was disabled in the meantime
17:26 Shara        Can mods change player collison box size?
17:26 * Shara      dreams of shrink ray mod
17:26 Krock        +5 minutes lost in my life for nothing
17:26 tenplus1     nope, but they can change visual size cause I use that in invisibility mod
17:27 tenplus1     lol, Krock
17:27 Shara        yea, visual size I knew
17:27 Shara        but it wouldn't work without being able to enable walking through 1 node high tunnels
17:28 tenplus1     wait, how does mitksunie's creature mod handle it... player can become chicken/ghost.sheep etc...
17:28 Shara        then you could have something to shrink players to make exploring easier, but at the price of reduced defence and so on
17:29 benrob0329   You cannot currently change the player collision box
17:30 tenplus1     I like that ability in "Alice: Madness Returns"... shrinking lets you explore and see new things
17:31 Amaz         Chaning that player's collision box would be soooo good :)
17:32 tenplus1     hi Amaz, and yeah +1
17:36 tenplus1     https://github.com/MirceaKitsune/minetest_mods_creatures/blob/master/creatures/api_players.lua#L101
17:36 tenplus1     players used different models in this version of creatures with their own collisionboxes
17:37 tenplus1     another good reason to get all the player stuff into it's own mod...
17:37 tenplus1     then it can be customized
17:39 tenplus1     kitsune has gone into a lot of detail so that mobs can see you in certain light levels, but not if you hide in the shadows... also footstep sounds etc
18:03 Sokomine     in the shadows? how's that possible? or "just" line of sight?
18:03 paramat      tenplus1: "I know sneak currently lets you fall and catch a ledge to stop falling, but you cannot walk along the ledge like before or jump" it's confirmed you can walk along a ledge with new sneak code
18:04 tenplus1     hi paramat, hi Sokomine
18:04 tenplus1     it measures light levels
18:04 tenplus1     he has functions for everything it seems :D
18:04 Sokomine     oh :-)
18:05 tenplus1     even sound of footsteps which is amazing
18:05 Sokomine     real shadows would be nice to have. or maybe not...my graphics card might be too poor for that
18:05 tenplus1     you can sneak up on a mob and if you make too much noise at once it turns around :PPP
18:11 Sokomine     :-) sound is really useful when dealing with destructive mobs. they're easy to hear and can then be...disposed of. i just don't know how sneaking up on a mob would work...by pressing sneak?
18:12 tenplus1     a good use of sneak, we need a sneak animation
18:14 Sokomine     good idea
18:15 tenplus1     I wonder how difficult it would be to handle node damage_per_second for ALL entities
18:15 benrob0329   Hiding the nametag on sneal would be nice
18:15 benrob0329   Also the minimap
18:16 tenplus1     yup yup
18:16 benrob0329   Being able to sneak around mobs too
18:17 benrob0329   Aka they don't have Omni-presence
18:17 tenplus1     the player should be a standard entity with controls to move it around and what affects player shoudl affect all entities if enabled
18:20 tenplus1     also we need changeable collisionboxes for player
18:20 benrob0329   If mt had a real physics engine, some of this stuff would be a lot easier
18:20 tenplus1     entity physics isnt so bad...  a global routine for things like falling, floating, env_damage is possible
18:20 sfan5        can't you change players collisionbox from lua?
18:20 tenplus1     but we need player to act like a normal entity
18:20 tenplus1     no, doesnt let us...
18:21 benrob0329   sfan5: no! Its been requested for years!
18:21 sfan5        huh the C++ code would support is easily though
18:21 tenplus1     in creatures I possessed a rat, can easily go through 1x1 holes but the player collisionbox stops us
18:21 benrob0329   Do it!!! Please!!
18:21 paramat      there'a PR for it
18:21 benrob0329   A hacky pr
18:21 tenplus1     link pls :P
18:21 benrob0329   Not a proper one
18:22 cheapie      Sokomine: I caught one of your traders "elevator surfing": https://cheapiesystems.com/media/images/screenshot_20170424_131746.png
18:22 benrob0329   and it just shoves the collision box underground
18:22 tenplus1     hrm, no good
18:23 tenplus1     if all entities behave the same, inc. player model then we can add velocity and damage checking etc to everything and not just player
18:23 tenplus1     mobs with suffocation, drowning, fire damage etc
18:24 Shara        Changeable collision box would be really, really nice
18:24 Shara        I am currently playing as a small rabbit, but things quite far above my head stop me from walking under them
18:24 benrob0329   Having a way to rotate collision box would be nice as well, even if just a rough estimation (eg stairs)
18:28 Hijiri       sfan5: you can change player collisionbox but it doesn't affect player movement physics (which is clientside and ignores collisionbox)
18:29 tenplus1     hi Hijiri
18:29 Hijiri       But I think it will affect server physics if entities are set to collide with entities
18:29 Hijiri       hi 11
18:29 sfan5        well it'd just need a packet to update the box on the client and everything would be good
18:30 Hijiri       I think collisionbox might already be sent
18:30 Hijiri       if you set collisionbox to 0 extend box on another player, you can't select the player
18:30 Hijiri       0 extent*
18:34 Krock        yeah, width 0 has the tendency to be quite hard to select
18:34 benrob0329   Selectionbox or collision box?
18:34 Krock        they're the same, no?
18:35 Shara        They don't seem to be
18:35 Shara        Rabbit player pointed at by another player here shows tiny box like expected for rabbit
18:36 Shara        Rabbit still can't walk under something that would fit under
18:36 benrob0329   Imho selection boxes should be hidden by default
18:37 Shara        I like that they show
18:37 benrob0329   But it ruins the clean look of it
18:37 Shara        not to me
18:37 tenplus1     hidden by default, press F5 to show stats/collisionboxes
18:37 benrob0329   ^
18:38 benrob0329   Thatd be beautiful
18:38 tenplus1     since F5 scrolls through all kinds of settings/views
18:38 Shara        since selection boxes might not always be the same shape as a node, seeing them can be pretty important
18:38 Shara        I don't always want to need f5 info on my screen to figure out why I can't pick something up
18:38 tenplus1     especially attacking those damned nssm tatantular...  collisinobox is in their asses... cant kill them that easily :D
18:38 benrob0329   Its annoying to be recording and have everything you look at be surrounded by a big ass box is annoying
18:38 Krock        I can't fine any selection box for the player
18:38 Krock        *find
18:39 Krock        there's only m_collisionbox, which is apparently also used as selectionbox
18:39 benrob0329   If yhe collision box doesn't match the node, that's not my fault
18:39 Krock        (for players)
18:39 benrob0329   that's the moddera fault
18:39 benrob0329   *modders
18:40 Shara        benrob0329: either way it would leave the player in a bad place. I agree an option for it would be nice, but why should that have to be by default?
18:40 benrob0329   because a polished look is best
18:40 Shara        Being able to see what you're doing is better
18:40 tenplus1     doesnt F5 have a setting already to show more advanced ?
18:40 benrob0329   pointing AT the dang thing should be enough
18:40 Shara        yea, but it's rarely that straightforward
18:41 benrob0329   Especially once we get rotating boxes
18:41 benrob0329   *cough* *cough*
18:42 benrob0329   Its sort of like this, imagine that every time you looked at something, it had a black border around it
18:42 Shara        the real world isn't made of cubes either
18:42 benrob0329   Now imagine trying to film like that
18:42 Shara        yea, but someone filming is not a normal player
18:43 Shara        So your need shouldn't decide the default. I'm not arguing an option wouldn't be nice, just that part
18:43 benrob0329   I leave the collision box on outline because its the most subtle thing we have
18:43 benrob0329   And its still can be very in-your-face at times
18:43 tenplus1     the crosshair shows u what you point at most times anyhoo :P so long as I have that I'm happy enough
18:44 Shara        f1 turns it off
18:44 Shara        So just use that to film
18:44 benrob0329   F1 turns almost everything off
18:44 benrob0329   Then idk what I'm looking at
18:44 Shara        Well it certainly makes it clean
18:44 benrob0329   Yes, but bad for playing
18:44 Shara        as is no visible box
18:45 benrob0329   I can see what I'm pointing at with the crosshair
18:45 benrob0329   I dont need a black box to shove it in my face
18:46 Shara        the box also lets you know what's actually in range
18:46 benrob0329   If someone is playing mt for the first time
18:47 benrob0329   And they see the crappy collision boxes we have for mobs
18:47 benrob0329   don't you think that'll but a sour taste in thiet mouth?
18:47 benrob0329   *put
18:47 Shara        I've never once heard someone complain about it
18:47 benrob0329   Well, now you have
18:47 Shara        Then write a PR and let the devs decide?
18:48 benrob0329   After I spend a year learning c++
18:48 * tenplus1   adds an echo location feature where you can only sense things by sound... and it's default :DD
18:48 benrob0329   And then become familier with mt's source code
18:48 benrob0329   And then wait a year for it to be merged
18:49 Shara        It's what I did when I wanted an option added. I didn't ask for it to be default though.
18:49 Shara        Didn't take the devs long to add it either.
18:50 benrob0329   Your lucky then
18:51 sofar        I wouldn't mind seing a "Node Highlighting - Off" option
18:51 sofar        tbh node and entity highlighting style should become the same
18:51 Shara        It would be very nice as an option.
18:52 Shara        And since it's even directly on the settings tab, not at all difficult for people to change
18:52 benrob0329   True
18:52 Shara        I'll even offer to take a look at it myself if no else has by the time I'm done with exams
18:54 tenplus1     tried to possess an anthro fox in creatures but it didnt work... only posessed his left leg...  can make him go in circles tho
18:54 Shara        lol?
18:54 tenplus1     :P
18:54 Shara        ten, that's the most random/weird thing I heard all day :D
18:55 tenplus1     :) I try
18:56 tenplus1     sofar: here's one for the "what happened a million years ago" thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOjGD_0SUqw
18:57 benrob0329   I think that thread died
18:57 tenplus1     yep, "lost my muffin" won
18:58 benrob0329   heh
19:02 Jordach      lmao
19:02 tenplus1     hi Jordach
19:02 tenplus1     quassel seems a bit flakey of late
19:03 Jordach      i misclicked
19:03 tenplus1     heh whoopsie
19:05 benrob0329   Hi Jordach
19:06 tenplus1     hrm...  american burger with bacon and peanut butter and pickle.... mmm
19:06 tenplus1     hi Fixer
19:07 benrob0329   tenplus1: *hurl*
19:07 tenplus1     noooooo, that sounds goood
19:08 tenplus1     no hurl
19:08 benrob0329   **hhhuuurrrrrrrlll**
19:08 tenplus1     ehehehehe
19:08 tenplus1     what's your fav. foody ?
19:08 benrob0329   Macaroni and Cheese :P
19:09 tenplus1     ooh, not had that in forever
19:09 tenplus1     five cheese mac n cheese................... with bacon n peanut butter :DDD
19:11 benrob0329   Chicken Bakon :P
19:11 benrob0329   *bacon
19:11 tenplus1     om nom nom
19:12 benrob0329   Man, that's embarrassing..I misspelled Bacon
19:13 * benrob0329 rewatches epicnesd of etheral
19:14 tenplus1     rewatched that the other day :P is well done
19:14 tenplus1     ethereal has improved biomes now... inc. swamp
19:14 Shara        It still needs more :P
19:14 tenplus1     agreed
19:14 tenplus1     paramat: how are the cave biomes coming along ???
19:14 paramat      there's an issue for rotating collisionboxes, there are problems with that. also there is an issue about showing boxes around entities
19:15 paramat      erm haven't started yet
19:15 paramat      underground decorations that is
19:15 tenplus1     hehe...  I do like the lighting fixes tho, illumishrooms are actually highlighting surrounding nodes on generation now :D
19:16 Shara        paramat: got a link to the boxes issue by any chance?
19:16 paramat      release is earlier than i had expected, so am assessing my priorities for work, so maybe underground decorations
19:17 tenplus1     ooh you got a date for release already ?
19:17 paramat      sorry no, only 900 to search through though
19:17 paramat      4th June freeze May 21st
19:17 tenplus1     heh...  important fixes come 1st ... entity detach shoudl be one cause it's a common feature
19:17 Shara        hehehe
19:18 tenplus1     texture changes can wait
19:20 tenplus1     and if possible finally add the find_node_near bool addition, that's gonna be a great feature for many mods
19:22 tenplus1     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5255
19:24 nerzhul      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82QYuYgkygA
19:24 paramat      for the boxes issue filter by 'feature request'
19:24 tenplus1     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5293/conflicts <-- what conflicts ??????
19:25 paramat      i think an option was suggested, but i'm not sure anything was agreed
19:27 paramat      sometimes changes to nearby code can cause github to say there is a conflict
19:27 tenplus1     looks fine tho ?!?!
19:37 benrob0329   9/
19:38 benrob0329   Meant / to check if I was still connected
19:38 tenplus1     lol
19:57 tenplus1     hi RobbieF
19:57 RobbieF      \o
19:57 RobbieF      Hey tenplus1
19:57 RobbieF      so... what'd you think?!
19:57 tenplus1     funny video btw :P
19:58 RobbieF      any feedback from your players?
19:58 RobbieF      thanks buddy
19:58 tenplus1     you guys got lost for a bit :D
19:58 tenplus1     I've posted link in server and on forum for all to see
19:58 RobbieF      We sure did!  :D
19:58 RobbieF      heh cool
19:58 tenplus1     it's good you got some help tho :P we had a few admin on server at the time
19:58 tenplus1     bonny regen'd lucky block arena but you never got to see that
19:58 RobbieF      wonderful.
19:59 RobbieF      yeah
19:59 RobbieF      well, it was fun all the same
19:59 tenplus1     yeah, banana!
19:59 Calinou      hi
19:59 tenplus1     hi cal
19:59 Calinou      going to sleep soon
19:59 RobbieF      :p bananas and corn.
19:59 Calinou      thank you, uni project
19:59 RobbieF      hi calinou
19:59 tenplus1     ehehe, I gave manglefox70 crystal boots and pick if she ever goes back on
20:00 Calinou      RobbieF: I ordered a Bluetooth headset a few days ago, btw
20:00 tenplus1     so she can keep up :D
20:00 Calinou      with your code
20:00 Calinou      will not arrive immediately (it was out of stock)
20:00 Shara        hi RobbieF, was a godo video :)
20:00 Jordach      good*
20:00 Shara        good*
20:00 tenplus1     :PP
20:00 Calinou      was a godot video :P
20:00 Shara        Jordach: meow :P
20:00 tenplus1     you saw Skrote's roller coaster at the end, that's a fun ride btw
20:01 Shara        Calinou: that would involve too much waiting :P
20:04 benrob0329   RobbieF: saw the video (some of it anyways)
20:04 benrob0329   You: "Hiiiiiii!!!"
20:04 benrob0329   Mangle: "hi"
20:05 benrob0329   Me: heh
20:06 tenplus1     was a fun video :D
20:06 RobbieF      Woohoo Calinou! Thanks dude! Which headset you get?
20:06 RobbieF      thanks Shara  :p
20:07 RobbieF      Thanks Calinou also re. video
20:07 RobbieF      tenplus1 I just wish I had a minecart! that looked AWESOME
20:07 tenplus1     I gotta refill the chest
20:07 Calinou      I'll only have it in 1-2 weeks, but it is https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B00NBR6QMK/
20:07 RobbieF      hahah benrob0329 it picked up from there!  LOL
20:07 Calinou      I've tested wireless earbuds (using Bluetooth too) and they work on Linux, so the headset should be fine
20:07 RobbieF      "Sexy Baby In Thong" scene = priceless.
20:08 tenplus1     ahaha yeah, was giggling at that one...  we have a weird selection of skins :D
20:08 tenplus1     we use to have Dr. Frankenfurter from Rocky Horror Show but removed that for the sexy black man
20:09 RobbieF      :p
20:12 RobbieF      Holy crap Calinou - those look INSANE! 3hz?!!!
20:13 RobbieF      gonna loosen your earwax for you!  :p
20:13 benrob0329   Lol
20:13 benrob0329   Some people's car speakers 'll do more than that :P
20:14 Calinou      RobbieF: specs mean nothing
20:15 Calinou      I read a few reviews and audio quality seems to be decent, but bass boost adds too much bass (it's fixable with an equalizer anyway)
20:15 Jordach      Calinou, http://www.juno.co.uk/products/technics-rpdj1200-headphones-black-purple/349677-01/
20:15 Jordach      tap the specs tab :^)
20:19 Calinou      https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/679c2n/how_many_members_of_stack_overflow_does_it_take/
20:19 Calinou      hahahaha
20:19 Calinou      this is so true, the best/most useful questions always end up closed
20:23 benrob0329   heh, that's a good one
20:28 Jordach      /r9k/ has more useful discussions there; but be careful, theres plenty of autism
20:32 tenplus1     wb ben
20:34 tenplus1     niteall
20:44 Fixer        Jordach: "plenty of autism" ? How you even detect it...
20:44 Jordach      Fixer, /r9k/ is always full of autistic spergs like me
21:04 benrob0329   Hi MegaF
21:07 RobbieF      night all.
21:09 benrob0329   ~tell tenplus1 http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Tours/Enthusiast/Tours_-_Enthusiast
21:09 ShadowBot    benrob0329: O.K.
21:09 Megaf        heya
21:09 benrob0329   Hi
21:10 Megaf        benrob0329, so. Yesteday I said I was going for a run
21:10 Megaf        and 20 KM was my target
21:10 benrob0329   *nods*
21:11 Megaf        it turns out, I was halfway my intended journey and was marking 14 KM already. I just thought to myself, Ok, I guess it will be a little more than 20 KM, and kept going
21:11 Megaf        so in total, it was 28.68 KM :D
21:11 Megaf        3 hours and 15 minutes
21:12 Megaf        Im quite proud of myself
21:12 Megaf        :P
21:12 benrob0329   Wow! Nice
21:16 benrob0329   I'm thinking about making a cinematic of Xanadu
21:17 benrob0329   "The Xenial of Xandu"
21:19 benrob0329   ~tell tenplus1 how does "The Xenial of Xanadu" sound?
21:19 ShadowBot    benrob0329: O.K.
21:27 Megaf        are you the youtuber?
21:29 paramat      in the issue for optional entity selectionboxes there was strong support for 'on' by default, and i agree
21:30 paramat      i want to bump the definable player collisonbox PR again, much needed
21:30 Shara        I took a quick look, but couldn;t find the issue
21:31 paramat      i don't know why the option did not happen, if i see it i'll link it
21:31 Shara        was it just a case of no one making it?
21:32 Shara        Might try it if so
21:43 benrob0329   MegaF: "the" YouTuber?
21:44 benrob0329   if you mean am I a YouTuber, then yes
21:47 benrob0329   If your wondering if I'm the YouTuber by the same name, then the answer is also yes
21:48 garywhite    benrob0329: You want to make a Xanadu movie?
21:48 benrob0329   A Cinematic
21:48 garywhite    What's the difference?
21:49 benrob0329   Something akin to the likes of https://youtu.be/t30o-dHo3R0
21:50 benrob0329   (Ill probably do the same for other servers as well, if they don't slow me down to 30 fps)
21:52 Shara        Any specific mapgens or anything else you're looking for?
21:53 benrob0329   Not really, just interesting mapgen and builds
21:53 Sokomine     if you want to do videos about xanandu - be careful. that server used to have a rule that didn't allow making youtube videos. i don't know if that's still in effect
21:54 Sokomine     there's certainly a lot of intresting mapgen and buildings to be found there (and on other servers)
21:54 garywhite    Nah, RobbieF made a video for TPS on Xanadu just over the weekend
21:54 Shara        ethereal + valleys is still the combo I like best
21:54 Shara        garywhite: Robbie had agreement in advance
21:54 benrob0329   Sokomine: you just have to ask first
21:55 garywhite    That's my point
21:55 benrob0329   I've already spoken to 11 about it
21:55 benrob0329   He seems thrilled with thr idea
21:55 Sokomine     ah, ok. i'm not familiar with making videos myshelf. just know that there's that strange rule there
21:55 Sokomine     fine :-) there are very intresting places there
21:56 Sokomine     lots of impressive mountains with very nice biomes
21:56 Shara        Don't forget to give some other servers some love :P
21:57 benrob0329   Oh don't worry, I will :D
21:57 benrob0329   (Not forget)
21:57 Shara        Hah, was just going to say something :P
21:57 * Shara      is trying to wake up enough to look at selection box thing
21:58 * benrob0329 hands Shara a cuo of coffie, black
21:58 benrob0329   *coffee
21:58 * Shara      shakes head
21:58 Shara        Tea instead please
21:59 benrob0329   "Computer: Earl Grey, hot"
22:00 Shara        That'll work :)
22:05 garywhite    C:\>food.exe
22:05 garywhite    C:\food.exe\> Beverage, Hot Chocolate
22:08 Shara        gary, not helping :P
22:09 benrob0329   $ beverage -n "Hot Chocolate" -t "150f"
22:09 garywhite    What?
22:09 garywhite    Oh shoot, now I kinda want a hot chocolate for real
22:09 benrob0329   Heh
22:10 benrob0329   That was a *nix version of food.exe, but specialized for beveragez
22:10 benrob0329   *s
22:10 benrob0329   I swear I can type better on desktop
22:12 paramat      Shara https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4224 option exists
22:12 Shara        benrob0329: there you do. Option is already there!
22:13 Shara        paramat: if it's there, any reason it doesn't show in settings?
22:14 paramat      the thread explains where to find it
22:14 Shara        The dropdown option to select between node outligning/highlighting should surely also have that?
22:14 paramat      it's in advanced settings
22:14 Shara        But why wouldn't it be where the other options about that are?
22:15 paramat      i guess because it's less used
22:15 paramat      a setting has to be very important to be in basic settings
22:16 paramat      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2738 is custom player collisionbox
22:16 Shara        I don't care about it myself, but it seems very odd to omit it when there is a dropdown there with other options that it would be an either/or choice for
22:16 Shara        There's three options but the settings tab shows only two of the three
22:17 Shara        That makes it seem like the option doesn't exist
22:17 benrob0329   ^
22:17 paramat      node highlighting is a very different thing though
22:17 benrob0329   then add a checkbox
22:18 Shara        paramat: You pick one - highlighting, outlining, or nothing
22:18 benrob0329   Its important, so ot should be there
22:18 Shara        They go together
22:18 paramat      there's an option for no node highlighting?
22:19 Shara        No, but you don't pick both highlighting and outlining, you pick one or the other I think?
22:19 Shara        it's a dropping down, so you can only select one
22:19 Shara        drop down*
22:19 benrob0329   Or add a checkbox right above it to completely disable it
22:19 Shara        The third option, which benrob0329 wanted, would be "neither"
22:19 paramat      yeah one or other, 'highlighting' is the boxlike aura
22:20 Shara        neither seeming to be the show_entity_selectionbox = false
22:20 paramat      this has nothing to do with entity boxes
22:20 benrob0329   But it does
22:20 benrob0329   Entity boxes are even more ugly
22:20 paramat      many want node highlighting but not entity boxes
22:20 Shara        hmm, no I see what paramat means I think
22:21 benrob0329   Then add two check boxes/a check box + dropdown
22:21 paramat      yeah you can suggest it :]
22:21 benrob0329   Or make it settable per entity
22:21 Shara        Need to test this a moment
22:21 benrob0329   which imo would be even better
22:22 benrob0329   Because soemtimes you need it, but sometimes you need it hidden
22:22 paramat      since node highlight options are there in basic settings there could be an argument for entity box options too
22:22 paramat      someone can open an issue
22:23 paramat      it would use up the last bit of space in the menu
22:23 Shara        I don't know if this option is what benrob0329 wanted
22:23 Shara        because it only removes the boxes for entities, not the boxes for any nodes
22:24 benrob0329   its a start
22:24 Shara        benrob0329: Was I right you wanted the node boxes gone too?
22:24 benrob0329   Yes, but those are less annoying
22:25 Shara        paramat: that's why I was thinking it belonged in that drop down.
22:25 benrob0329   I would like both hidden tbh, but entities are a good start
22:25 paramat      ok a 3rd option for no node selectionboxes is a separate issue
22:25 Shara        Just add show_entity_selectionbox = false to minetest.conf to handle entities selection box
22:25 paramat      it would fit in the dropdown
22:25 Shara        I just tested and it works
22:27 paramat      also, many seem to find the location of the setting weird, it could be moved
22:27 Shara        Just seeing if I can work out how to add the setting he actually wants :P
22:28 benrob0329   Should be under graphics, no?
22:28 paramat      might be best to first find out if devs would accept it in basic settings menu
22:29 paramat      yeah network is not intuitive
22:29 Shara        sofar already said he liekd the idea
22:29 Shara        liked*
22:30 paramat      maybe someone can open an issue for moving the setting to client->graphics
22:30 Shara        I'm not talking about the existing setting
22:30 paramat      i know
22:30 Shara        But nevermind, I'll leave it then
22:31 sofar        if entity highlighting could use the same settings as node highlighting, then that would be a win
22:31 sofar        even if it just used the entity selection box and not the actual mesh
22:33 paramat      bumped https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2738
22:33 benrob0329   Brb
22:33 paramat      blub
22:36 Fixer        O_____o
22:36 paramat      unfortunately that PR has major issues
22:37 Fixer        paramat: found smth funny on v7 https://i.imgur.com/vNrSWAd.jpg
22:38 paramat      wow a rare vertical cliff
22:38 paramat      almost looks like a bug
22:41 benrob0329   ok, back
22:42 benrob0329   Polari was being wierd
22:43 benrob0329   also, i just updated to Gnome 3.24 \o/
22:53 paramat      Shara didn't mean to discourage you, just best to discuss in an issue before doing the work. i'm not opposed to having entity box option in basic setting menu
22:54 Shara        Sounds like sofar may have a better idea , and I wouldn't know how to start with that
22:57 Shara        I'm not even completely sure I can find what's needed for what I was thinking of
22:59 paramat      ok
23:00 paramat      however applying the node highlight setting to entities cannot be done, as many want node highlighting while not having entity boxes
23:46 benrob0329   hi garywhite
23:48 garywhite    hi
23:52 benrob0329   *sigh* Blender's VSE is just too slow
23:52 benrob0329   looks like im back to Kdenlive