Time Nick Message 01:49 benrob0329 Mobile irc clients just aren't as robust as desktop ones 01:53 benrob0329 I mean, I can flippen enable airplane mode on my laptop and it'll stay connected (obviously turning it back off again quickly) 01:53 benrob0329 But moble clients, pfff 01:53 benrob0329 Your lucky if it stays connected whilst your sitting next to your router 01:54 VanessaE benrob0329: not to mention they love to disconnect if you switch to some other task for more than 1-2 mins 01:58 benrob0329 Anc they don't tell you about it 01:59 benrob0329 I just need to make a couple eathernet cables so I can plug my rpi back in 01:59 benrob0329 Use weechat-android 02:14 benrob0329 Hi paramat 02:33 benrob0329 !ping 02:33 ShadowBot pong 02:57 paramat Shara https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1708 03:11 benrob0329 paramat: never noticed hoe contrasting they were 03:14 benrob0329 Ugg 03:14 benrob0329 paramat: I think that iron blocks have a bit too much contrast imo 03:15 paramat steelblock? 03:15 benrob0329 Yes 03:16 benrob0329 It looks like steel plating right now 03:18 paramat you mean the edge has too high contrast? 03:18 benrob0329 Yes 03:18 paramat i somewhat agree 03:19 benrob0329 I tried to remove it a little while ago...lets just say I can't to textures ver well :P 03:47 paramat i'm not too keen on our metal block textures, they look old, dull and dirty, i prefer a clean, modern, shiny look 03:49 paramat they're by kilbith, tin block is too, at least they're consistent :] 03:50 paramat weird thing is he's not credited for them in docs 03:57 paramat i'll update my PR to do that 03:59 VanessaE well, MT is supposed to be somewhat rustic isn't it? 03:59 VanessaE so "old, dull" might be appropriate 04:00 VanessaE at least for steel and tin anyway. 04:06 paramat yeah i guess it is somewhat rustic (unfortunately for my tastes) 04:08 paramat so perhaps we can make gold clean and shiny at least 04:09 VanessaE yes 04:09 VanessaE probably bronze and copper too 04:40 benrob0329 shouldn't all textures look generally nice though? 04:40 benrob0329 I mean, why do I want to build with giant steel panels? 04:44 benrob0329 I think I've worked out a system for transitions 04:44 benrob0329 If its part of the same scene, half a second 04:44 benrob0329 If its a new scene, full second 04:45 benrob0329 If its the start/end of a video, 2 seconds (maybe) 05:27 benrob0329 !ping 05:27 ShadowBot pong 05:27 VanessaE ploink :) 05:28 benrob0329 Why is it that I have a tendancy to push video editors to the point of previewing at 1 fps? 05:29 VanessaE heh 05:29 VanessaE well if that's what it takes to get it to render super-quality video in the end, so be it :P 05:30 benrob0329 I kid you not, I have 16 gigs of ram, and 16 gigs of swap 05:30 benrob0329 Flowblade was using 98% of both 05:43 VanessaE wow 05:52 benrob0329 Ohmygosh 05:52 benrob0329 Its rendering 05:54 benrob0329 now to have ice cream in celebration! 06:00 benrob0329 http://imgur.com/a/SxpTV 06:06 benrob0329 Honestly, I pretty much need a video editor with a 2D animator tacked on 06:22 benrob0329 08:05 benrob0329 Just some random thoughts: 08:06 benrob0329 SCP Containment breach is one of the least optomised, most graphically unimpressive games ever 08:06 benrob0329 But the sound design is uncanny 08:07 benrob0329 It responds, flows with the environment 08:07 benrob0329 Something chasing you? 08:07 benrob0329 you'll probably know 08:07 benrob0329 event in game? Keep an open ear 08:07 benrob0329 It helps bring the game to life 08:08 benrob0329 Heck, the ambiant music even blends well 08:08 benrob0329 Minecraft also feels "alive" 08:08 benrob0329 the way things respond seems somehow "right" 08:09 benrob0329 Mobs and players get pushed back when hit 08:09 benrob0329 Not enough to make it annoying, just enough for smooth feedback 08:10 benrob0329 Items bounce up and down when dropped, as if they are just waiting, anticipating to be picked up 08:10 benrob0329 Buttons have a satisfying click, but not all buttons 08:11 benrob0329 Only important ones 08:11 * benrob0329 tries to think of another game to bring up 08:14 benrob0329 idk, its 4 in the morning 08:14 benrob0329 Basically what I'm trying to say is that yes, minetest needs the big things out of the way 08:15 benrob0329 But time needs to be taken for the little things too 08:15 benrob0329 If we want the game to be truly, honestly fun; 08:15 benrob0329 It needs to feel like its engaging the player 08:16 benrob0329 It needs to feel, alive 08:16 benrob0329 this can be done without mobs 08:16 benrob0329 But it needs to be done right 08:17 benrob0329 Make the game feel alive, and people will play it. 08:17 benrob0329 that's all, gnight 08:38 paramat essentially, MT sucks :] (joking) 08:44 tenplus1 hi folks 08:44 VanessaE hey 08:45 tenplus1 hi Vanessa 08:48 tenplus1 the new leafdecay system does seem to be giving some problems 08:49 tenplus1 especially when using default.dig_up() 09:33 tenplus1 hi Krock 09:34 Krock hi tenplus1 09:36 tenplus1 is there any reason the minetest.dig_up() function stops nodetimers from working ? 09:36 Krock what? there's dig_up? 09:37 Krock tenplus1, that must be a custom function 09:37 tenplus1 when digging the bottom papyrus it uses dig_up to dig the rest above it... I use this for bamboo stalks but somehow the leafdecay doesnt activate for the leaves at the top 09:38 VanessaE did you register them with the leafdecay call? 09:38 tenplus1 yup 09:38 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest-mods/moretrees/commit/2967c107d8e90a531ded53357e83ef904c3ea6cd 09:38 tenplus1 works fine when I dig the topmost bamboos talk, but not the bottom 09:38 VanessaE maybe there's something useful there. 09:39 tenplus1 default.register_leafdecay({trunks = {"ethereal:bamboo"}, leaves = {"ethereal:bamboo_leaves"}, radius = 1}) 09:40 VanessaE looks right to me anyway 09:41 VanessaE though leaves are also in "leafdecay=1" group, at least in moretrees 09:41 VanessaE (and "leafdecat_drop=1" for the various fruits and cones) 09:41 tenplus1 same, ethereal is backwards compatible with 0.4.15 10:10 tenplus1 increased radius to 3, seems to work ok now but leaves only spawn 1 around stalk itself ?!?! weird 10:14 tenplus1 hi Fixer 10:22 Krock tenplus1, apparently the first song I've seen on the infinite jukebox that can wrap around so easily: http://i.imgur.com/bq5f6Sa.png 10:23 tenplus1 ooh 10:23 Krock that's a real loop :D 10:23 tenplus1 havent seen that page in a while :P nice 10:23 Krock they disabled uploading songs but the old ones are still kept 10:23 tenplus1 must be running out of space 10:40 tenplus1 hi Megaf 10:43 Shara Hello all 10:43 tenplus1 hi shara 10:44 Megaf Hello onety one 10:44 Megaf Hi Shara 10:45 tenplus1 :P 11:03 tenplus1 hi cx384 11:06 cx384 hi tenplus1 (thank you :D) 11:07 tenplus1 :P 11:36 tenplus1 am happy with knockback now :P will be adding to Xanadu 11:42 Megaf onetyone, did you fix all incompatibilities of farming vs bushes? 11:42 tenplus1 how do you mean ? 11:43 tenplus1 hi Jordach 11:43 Jordach T+4 seconds 11:43 tenplus1 :P 11:44 Megaf 2017-04-23 07:44:05: [Server] Item "bushes:blueberry" not defined 11:44 Megaf 2017-04-23 07:44:09: [Server] Item "bushes:raspberry" not defined 11:44 Jordach F 11:44 Megaf When I did those bushes, instead of getting the fruit I get unknow item 11:44 Megaf 2017-04-23 07:41:57: [Server] Megaf digs bushes:blueberry_bush at (-30,1,124) 11:44 tenplus1 ? famring redo overrides farming plus items only, nothing else 11:45 Megaf hm 11:45 tenplus1 minetest.add_alias("bushes:blueberry", "farming:blueberry") 11:45 Megaf add this upstream please 11:46 tenplus1 link me the bushes mod you are using plz 11:46 Megaf 2017-04-23 07:46:22: [Server] Megaf uses bushes:gooseberry, pointing at [node under=-37,0,120 above=-37,1,120] 11:46 Megaf 2017-04-23 07:46:24: [Server] Megaf uses farming_plus:strawberry_item, pointing at [node under=-37,0,120 above=-37,1,120] 11:46 Megaf 2017-04-23 07:46:26: [Server] Megaf uses bushes:blackberry, pointing at [node under=-37,0,120 above=-37,1,120] 11:46 Megaf thats a mess anyway 11:46 Megaf I remember I had problems with that way back 11:47 Megaf but we never finished fixing everything 11:47 Megaf tenplus1, is from VanessaE''s mod 11:47 Megaf its been almost a year already 11:47 Megaf or more. I dont know 11:48 tenplus1 plantlife modpack, bushes ? 11:49 Megaf yep 11:50 tenplus1 so instead of using it's own fruit it alias' farming plus fruits which is messy in it's own... 11:51 tenplus1 so I gotta add a check for bushes mod, and alias' for strawebrry, raspberry and blueberry items 11:54 tenplus1 ok, farming redo doesnt have strawberries, but ethereal mod does so when running both together it'll use ethereal strawberries as an alias for farming plus one's 11:54 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/GbJoIHW.jpg deja vy 11:57 Megaf what about his mom? 11:57 Megaf his mom loves him 11:57 Megaf and his sister 11:57 Megaf and, his grandmother! 11:57 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/dM7YXVH.jpg 11:58 Megaf if he was looking at the plane it would be better 11:58 Megaf terrible photoshop skills... 11:58 Megaf I do better on inkscape 11:59 Megaf what I have been doing lately http://megaf.imgur.com/all/ 11:59 Jordach >Unfortunately, there's nothing to see here. 11:59 Jordach me_irl 12:01 tenplus1 Megaf: bushes_classic compatibility added (if ethereal found it'll use strawberry alias, otherwise raspberries, and rasp and blueberries alias set also) 12:04 tenplus1 bushes_classic SHOULD have a check if farming_plus is running, if not then it defines and uses it's own fruit items 12:04 Jordach ~tell paramat http://imgur.com/a/jGt5H 12:04 ShadowBot Jordach: O.K. 12:05 sfan5 Jordach: i see you subscribe to /r/minecraft too 12:05 Jordach or do it 12:05 tenplus1 hi sfan 12:05 sfan5 when biomes o' plenty port for mt 12:05 sfan5 ? :D 12:05 Jordach sfan5, fuck it 12:05 Jordach write a lua mapgen that doesn't suck balls like v5, v7, valleys 12:06 tenplus1 is that what that was ??? nice... ethereal has a long way to go :D 12:19 Megaf why dont we have a distcc+ccache thing for all of us maintained by us? 12:19 Megaf to build minetest 12:19 tenplus1 ? 12:20 Megaf tenplus1, distcc is a distributed compiler, it automatically share the load of compilation across two or more machine 12:20 tenplus1 ohh, gotcha :P 12:20 Megaf tenplus1, ccache caches already compiled files so you dont have to compile again 12:20 Megaf you can make both work together 12:21 Megaf the workflow will be almost identical in the developer side 12:22 Megaf https://debian-administration.org/article/129/Speeding_up_recompilation_with_ccache 12:22 tenplus1 sharing the load would be handy 12:22 Megaf https://debian-administration.org/article/112/Speed_up_compiling_software_with_distcc 12:23 Megaf and you can set priority levels to it. so it dont eat your CPU when you want to play minetest :) 12:23 tenplus1 last night's changelog was over 600kb... mundo changes 12:23 tenplus1 glad the fine pointing was fixed with slab./doors 12:24 tenplus1 wish the entity unmount changes were added 12:26 tenplus1 also find_node_near bool addition 12:29 Calinou hi 12:29 Calinou back from Godot meetup (which happened yesterday) :P 12:31 tenplus1 wb 12:34 Megaf_ thanks 12:35 nerzhul players into database is now merged 12:36 nerzhul celeron55, can we have TLS in wiki.minetest.net? 12:36 tenplus1 hi nrz 12:37 celeron55 nerzhul: soon; i did already configure acme-client for one site on the VPS 12:37 nerzhul okay :) 12:37 nerzhul hi tenplus1 12:37 celeron55 my general to-do list is just like 1000 lines long 12:38 Jordach isn't everyones? ;) 12:38 celeron55 so roll your dice for where that's going on the list 12:39 tenplus1 *cough* https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5622 and https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5255 12:44 nerzhul celeron55, lol 12:53 Jordach >sfan5 is playing CS:GO 12:53 Jordach silver scrub 12:53 sfan5 no u 12:53 sfan5 gn3 12:53 Jordach >not GE 12:54 Jordach gtfo P90 scrub 12:54 sfan5 ikr 12:54 Calinou relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejkHVAgzQ7U 12:55 Calinou the comments <" 12:55 Calinou the comments <3* 12:55 Jordach ayyyyy ahoy 12:56 Jordach literally the best presentation and voice i've ever seen 13:00 Calinou Jordach: yeah, always great to see and heaar 13:02 Jordach just like Techmoan 13:03 tenplus1 hi rubenwardy 13:04 rubenwardy hi tenplus1 13:21 tenplus1 hi octacian 13:22 octacian hey tenplus1 13:28 tenplus1 back laters 13:34 Jordach ~tell paramat http://accidentalnoise.sourceforge.net/minecraftworlds.html 13:34 ShadowBot Jordach: O.K. 13:47 benrob0329 o/ 13:50 Jordach hi benrob0329 13:51 benrob0329 Hi Jordach, its been..how long? 13:51 benrob0329 5 mins? 13:52 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-rfBsWmo0M 13:56 benrob0329 DECEARING EGG!! 13:58 Jordach OOOOOOH 13:58 Jordach OOOOHHHHHH 13:58 Jordach OpenShot 2.x for Windows x64 13:58 Jordach MOM GET THE CAMERA 13:59 Jordach http://github.com/OpenShot/openshot-qt/releases/ 13:59 Jordach OpenShot-v2.3.1-x86_64.exe 14:00 benrob0329 ITS ABOUT FRKING TIME!! 14:00 benrob0329 heh 14:00 benrob0329 I've been waiting for that for years 14:01 * Jordach can finally toss the pirated vegas in the trash 14:01 benrob0329 Have they fixed the memory leak? 14:01 Jordach no idea 14:01 Jordach it's a rewrite in QT5 14:02 benrob0329 If they have, then I can add it to my duck taped arsenal of death 14:03 benrob0329 Aka ~5 different video editors, WinFF, Blender, MediaInfo, and Youtube-dl 14:04 benrob0329 Btw Kdenlive had a Windows release a while ago 14:04 Krock youtube-dl is an _editor_ ? 14:04 sfan5 winff is not an editor either 14:04 sfan5 mediainfo is not an editor 14:10 benrob0329 No, and yes 14:11 benrob0329 ~5 editors AND a few other tools 14:15 benrob0329 Hi nerzhul 14:17 nerzhul hi 14:21 Jordach m e o w 14:27 benrob0329 meow meow like a cow 14:36 octacian How can I light up a specific position without actually placing/changing the node? 14:36 benrob0329 setting param1? 14:38 benrob0329 it'll be undone on a light update though 14:45 Jordach wat 14:45 Jordach losing vocie 14:45 Jordach blegblegl 14:45 Jordach can't ever type3 14:46 * Jordach autistically screeeches 14:47 red-NaN ? 14:47 Jordach i suck at typing recently 14:48 red-NaN who is cx384 anyway> 14:48 red-NaN ? 14:50 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/K7Hn1rPQouU 14:51 benrob0329 I'm dying 14:51 benrob0329 (Of laughter) 14:51 Jordach is that NCIS or another one of those shows 14:51 Jordach pretty sure it was that writer dude 14:51 Jordach (going by memory of the title) 14:53 red-NaN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU 14:53 Jordach >CSI 14:53 Jordach thanks quassel preview 14:54 benrob0329 Heh...hheheheh 14:54 benrob0329 Can I slap Hollywood? 14:55 red-NaN youtu.be/y6120QOlsfU is the closest hollywood got yet 14:55 Jordach needs https 14:56 benrob0329 Needs salt 14:57 red-NaN Darude saltstorm? 14:57 Jordach DUDUDUDU 14:57 red-NaN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_storm 14:59 benrob0329 (Language) https://youtu.be/xh3Wveg4DMk 15:00 red-NaN I though it would be that song by some guy called rick 15:01 benrob0329 Heh, naw just a funny movie dub 15:14 octacian benrob0329: How do I set param1? Do you think it'd be suitable for a light that moves with the player to illuminate where he is currently standing? 15:21 shivajiva octacian: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=36928 https://github.com/minetest-mods/torches 2 examples of walking light 15:23 octacian shivajiva: Yep, those both use the method of placing a node AFAIK. 15:23 octacian Works, but I was hoping to be able to do it without changing the node... 15:25 shivajiva I just checked and they do use node swap, my bad 15:45 benrob0329 octacian: I'm not sure, id assume it would be done the same way as setting param2 15:45 benrob0329 Perhaps the screwdriver mod 15:46 benrob0329 Might be worth looking at 15:46 octacian Yeah, I will 15:47 benrob0329 node.param2 15:47 benrob0329 perhaps node.param would do it? 15:49 sfan5 i'm pretty sure you can't just set param1 on a random node like that 15:49 benrob0329 it'd sure be handy sometimes 15:53 * Jordach wonders if Calinou voted today 15:54 benrob0329 I have 101 views on my tardis pre alpha announcement 15:54 benrob0329 Wtf 15:55 benrob0329 that's double my lp videos 15:55 benrob0329 Wait, those have 70, 80 views now 15:55 benrob0329 but those are months old 15:57 benrob0329 that's over half the views of the epicness of etheral in like, less than 1/4 the time 15:58 benrob0329 For a one minute video 15:59 red-NaN talking about voting isn't the french election or something like that soon? 16:00 benrob0329 RIP Logic, 4000 BCE - 2016 CE 16:00 red-NaN bit generous there 16:01 benrob0329 Probably 16:02 benrob0329 then again, my crap vids from when I first started doing youtube have more views than all my videos from the past 6 months combined 16:07 Jordach kek 16:07 nerzhul http://xproger.info/projects/OpenLara/ 16:10 Jordach fuck me 16:10 Jordach classic PSX era games native to a browser 16:13 * Jordach has motivation 16:22 * benrob03291 is waiting for old instance to time out 16:24 * benrob0329 wants the blender vse to figure it's crap out and become a proper video editor 16:26 Jordach >expecting blender to do things right 16:26 Jordach LUL 16:26 benrob0329 Well, it does things more correctly than some 16:27 Jordach i know more keyboard combos in blender than i do for windows 16:27 Jordach (gimp, aseprite etc) 16:27 benrob0329 But like, transform should be combined with base offset 16:27 benrob0329 And the compositer should be usable as a vse strip 16:28 benrob0329 Or the vse in the compositot 16:28 benrob0329 *or 16:28 benrob0329 Also, performance 16:29 benrob0329 Right now, blender could be the most powerful video editor money can't buy 16:29 benrob0329 But they just dony focus on it 16:31 Jordach >blender 16:31 Jordach >powerful 16:31 Jordach ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 16:32 benrob0329 > confused 16:34 Jordach 75.6 hrs last two weeks / Blender 16:34 Jordach *REEEEEE* 16:35 benrob0329 Jordach, you're not making any gosh darn sense right now 16:35 Jordach benrob0329, paid blender work 16:35 Jordach steams been counting for me 16:36 benrob0329 O_O paaaaiiidd? 16:38 * red-NaN wonders if it's too soon to make "will it blend" jokes 16:39 benrob0329 But the question is, will it blend? 16:39 benrob0329 Dadada da da 16:39 red-NaN will will it blend blend? 16:40 benrob0329 will blender blend a blender blended wil blender? 16:40 benrob0329 *with 16:41 red-NaN -> #crimes_against_the_english_language 16:42 Jordach *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE* 16:42 benrob0329 > excessiveunderscores 16:47 benrob0329 Hi Megaf_ 16:47 Megaf_ Heya benrob0329 16:48 benrob0329 what's up? 16:54 Megaf_ lets see 16:54 Megaf_ !server Megaf 16:54 ShadowBot Megaf_: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} ] 16:54 Megaf_ !server Megaf 16:54 ShadowBot Megaf_: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} ] 16:54 Megaf_ eh 16:54 Megaf_ the bot here is different, there's that 16:54 Megaf_ :P 16:54 Megaf_ benrob0329, going for a run in some minutes 16:55 Megaf_ I want to see if I can make around 20 KM today :) 16:55 Megaf_ Friday I ran 9.3 KM and I was fine. 16:55 benrob0329 Wow, thays quite a bit 16:55 benrob0329 Id just fall over after a little while 16:55 Megaf_ 20 it is. It would brake all my records if I make it 16:59 Megaf_ I will be with good music at least. Gonna be listening to Daft Punk :D 17:34 benrob0329 !ping 17:34 ShadowBot pong 17:47 tenplus1 hi folks 17:49 Krock hi tenplus1 17:49 tenplus1 hi Krock :P 17:50 Calinou Jordach: yep, I did 17:50 Jordach inb4 Le Pen landslide 17:50 Calinou votes end in 10 minutes 17:51 tenplus1 ?? 17:51 Calinou we have results in 10-15 minutes too 17:51 Calinou tenplus1: French presidential elections 17:51 Calinou this is the first time I went voting 17:51 tenplus1 ohhhh 17:52 Krock Calinou, you should go voting more often 17:53 Krock I don't want to see the pen as president 17:53 Krock US-bing-bong is already enough for the moment 17:54 Calinou I wasn't 18 before 17:55 Krock oh 17:57 Jordach Krock, you don't have a horse even in the EU 17:57 Jordach you're neutral ffs 17:58 Krock "horse"? huh 17:59 * Jordach meows at paramat 17:59 tenplus1 wb octacian, hi paramat 17:59 paramat thanks for the link will read 18:00 CWz i wonder if at any point in time during the long rich history of horse back ridding, did horse ever snap in to when a heavy rider hopped onto it's back. 18:01 * CWz googles 18:01 CWz ello Tenplus1-san 18:03 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1, paramat, Calinou, Krock, CWz 18:04 Calinou results are here btw 18:04 tenplus1 hi CWz, hi ben 18:04 Krock o/ benrob0329 18:04 * CWz hides behind a conveniently shaped candle 18:04 Calinou Macron 23.0%, Le Pen 23.0%, Fillon 19.0%, Mélenchon 19.0% 18:04 Calinou so, 4 candidates are almost equal, two by two 18:04 Calinou also, a candidate has currently 0.0% 18:05 sfan5 macron on the same level as lepen 18:05 sfan5 fff 18:05 CWz Uh, what are you talking about 18:05 CWz sounds political 18:05 benrob0329 French elections 18:05 tenplus1 sodium 8%, invert sugar syrup 16% 18:05 benrob0329 Heh 18:06 CWz New alt account getting selected for Prime minister 18:06 CWz ? 18:07 CWz Obama was just a reskin of bush, and Trump was just a defected copy of Obama 18:08 CWz maybe not, Trump actully did exist prior to the elections; on the other hand Obama, never heard of them prior to him being chosen as an elective guy 18:09 CWz this can only mean one thing, 18:09 tenplus1 he's a robot / 18:10 VanessaE nono, he's from the future duh 18:10 tenplus1 ehehe 18:10 CWz No, it means Obama was created in lab and given false history, either that or he was just a nobody 18:10 benrob0329 what ide does everyone use for C/++ ? 18:10 tenplus1 mousepad 18:10 benrob0329 Kek 18:10 sfan5 Calinou: german television says on twitter that macron is ahead of lepen 18:10 sfan5 benrob0329: gedit 18:11 nore sfan5: yeah, he is 18:11 CWz Maybe there never really was an US president 18:11 * nore is depressed about the results 18:11 tenplus1 who won ? 18:11 Jordach what's wrong, nore 18:12 CWz was a "Trump" elected as prime minister for france 18:12 CWz ? 18:12 VanessaE I know nothing about French politics, except that one of the guys who's running is the French counterpart to Bernie Sanders, and had a reasonable chance of winning. hope he does (or too bad if he didn't) 18:12 nore Jordach: well, for the second round we have the choice between a xenophobic president or one that is the candidate of the banks 18:13 Calinou benrob0329: CLion, or Visual Studio Code for small edits (in any language) 18:13 nore VanessaE: nope, it's Mélenchon and that's why I'm depressed 18:13 Calinou JetBrains IDEs are not free and open source, but nothing is better :( 18:13 tenplus1 cant you vote for "none of the above" and have new candiates 18:13 Calinou (I have a student license, so they're free for me, all of them :P) 18:13 Jordach nore, take the one who isn't going to sell everything or privatize it 18:13 Calinou they're also Java-based, but they're not that slow on good machines 18:13 VanessaE nore: do you have a process in place to oust a bad choice later? 18:13 Calinou (though something C++/Qt would likely be a bit faster) 18:13 nore Jordach: ehm, that's none of the two I think 18:13 CWz Who's Bernie Sanders, is he a bro or a jerk 18:13 Jordach CWz, a communist 18:13 VanessaE CWz: a democratic socialist 18:13 Jordach fucking commies 18:14 nore VanessaE: no. that's one of the things Mélenchon wanted to introduce though 18:14 VanessaE he's the "we're all in this together, we all gotta pay for it" guy, basically 18:14 Jordach VanessaE, yet he owns a audi supercar and three mansions 18:14 Jordach :thinking: 18:14 CWz So does it mean he is a good or a bad guy? 18:14 VanessaE nore: your legislative branch doesn't have something similar to Articles of Impeachment? 18:14 Krock Bernie Sanders is the good USA-future that nobody saw 18:14 Jordach neither of any he paid for :thinking: 18:14 VanessaE Jordach: [citation needed] 18:15 CWz VanessaE-sama! 18:15 nore Macron is the kind of guy who wants to raise the taxes for the poor people and lower those for the rich ones, to make workers conditions even worse, etc 18:15 * tenplus1 woulda voted Bernie if I was US citizen... could see he was for the ppl 18:15 sfan5 nore: would you prefer le pen over macron? 18:15 nore sfan5: certainly not 18:15 VanessaE nore: oh, so like every US republican ever. 18:15 CWz wha would Macron do that, is he fucking stupid? 18:15 Jordach https://twitter.com/CMSAF12/status/855249202233962497 VanessaE 18:16 VanessaE Jordach: a twitter post from a hater? um, no 18:16 sfan5 "why not move to europe?" to an american politician 18:16 nore CWz: you can say that about 3 of the 4 candidates who had a chance unfortunately 18:16 sfan5 :thinking: 18:16 Jordach https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2016/08/10/bernie-sanders-buys-a-half-million-dollar-vacation-home-and-the-internet-cries-hypocrisy/ 18:16 Jordach shit rag VanessaE 18:16 Jordach from the dems mouthpiece 18:16 red-NaN well shit someone said it on twitter 18:16 red-NaN must be true 18:17 Krock red-NaN, related: http://imgur.com/gallery/NQyUy 18:17 sfan5 politics 18:17 nore well, *shrug* 18:17 nore going to watch Ponyo of the cliff by the sea to avoid depression now 18:17 VanessaE Jordach: I don't see the problem. 18:17 tenplus1 wb ben 18:17 VanessaE the man's a democratic socialist, not a communist :P 18:17 benrob0329 Ty 18:17 VanessaE "the home is 1800 square feet" 18:18 VanessaE for fuck sake, my house is 1536. 18:18 VanessaE my mom's house was ~2200. that is NOT a mansion by any stretch 18:19 red-NaN so did americans have a better choice? 18:19 nore we have like 2 candidates accused of fraud 18:19 VanessaE red-NaN: they did. 18:19 VanessaE Bernie. 18:19 VanessaE and failing him, Hillary 18:19 nore Macron is believed to have cheated on his tax declaration as well 18:19 red-NaN trump has intersting links to putin and is rich as f*** 18:19 Jordach VanessaE, and when commisar cletus and commisar jamal come knocking... 18:19 * sfan5 puts on a CD with classical music 18:19 VanessaE red-NaN: HELL, I would have been happy-ish with any of the republican candidate other than trump, and I'm definitely no fan of that party. 18:20 VanessaE Jordach: again, socialist != communist.. 18:20 Krock sfan5, nightcore isn't considered as classical <.< 18:21 sfan5 Krock: is this classical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kQZHYbZkLs 18:21 VanessaE sfan5: look up "Back in Time" (the C64 CD series, not the Huey Lewis song :P ) 18:22 Jordach here's a cat 18:22 Jordach https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-HQh60U0AACx8B.jpg:large 18:22 Krock sfan5, the one from Simon & Garfunkel sounds better IMO 18:22 Jordach sfan5, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9kteMZUIAACiNP.jpg:large meow 18:22 Krock needs voice! 18:22 red-NaN even if bernie is a communist he is hardly the stalin apologist kind 18:22 CWz Macron is Tump 18:22 Krock Jordach, quick, make a MTB pull 18:23 Jordach Krock, https://twitter.com/CharweeMonster 18:23 VanessaE red-NaN: exactly, but Americans have this illogical aversion to "socialism" and "communism" and any variants of them 18:23 Jordach Freedom is worth the price it pays 18:23 Jordach best work is produced when you get paid for it 18:23 Jordach shitty work is produced when you don't 18:23 red-NaN and Putin is 18:24 shivajiva didn't Trump borrow money from Russia when the west wouldn't bankroll him :) 18:24 tenplus1 hi Fixer 18:24 sfan5 VanessaE: in the sense of "communism = the russians = bad" ? 18:24 red-NaN ^ 18:24 CWz That's what you get when you name your president after a duck 18:24 tenplus1 wait, isnt he a very rich man... ? why would he need russian funding ? 18:25 Jordach tenplus1, yes 18:25 red-NaN I mean I don't support commuism 18:25 Jordach built his own fortune 18:25 red-NaN it doesn't work 18:25 CWz communism isn't good for the community 18:25 Jordach http://www.politico.eu/article/france-election-2017-russia-hacked-cyberattacks/ 18:26 Jordach AYY LMAO 18:26 red-NaN you tend to just give power to people like stalin 18:26 Jordach AYYY LMAO 18:26 shivajiva http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/richard-dearlove-mi6-trump-russia-money-2008-financial-crisis-us-election-a7684341.html 18:26 Jordach >muh russia 18:26 red-NaN but then democracy and capitalism can end up with the trainwreak that is trump 18:26 VanessaE sfan5: yes, more or less, or today I suppose people equate it to China rather than Russia. same difference. 18:27 CWz China and Russia are best chums 18:27 red-NaN good thing trump doesn't own a rail company 18:27 VanessaE tenplus1: of course he's rich, how do you think he stays rich? He spends other peoples' money of course. 18:27 sfan5 does he own an oil company 18:28 Jordach you can't buy someone if they're already rich ;) 18:28 * tenplus1 runs for President of the World 18:28 CWz red-NaN, becouse it would be a major derailment for the American dream 18:28 red-NaN best way to get richer is to already be rich 18:30 benrob0329 >political crap 18:30 VanessaE the only things I know about being rich is that the rich pay a lower tax percent than I do, you don't stay rich by spending your own money, and what you DO spend your money on is ridiculously opulent compared to anything else. beyond, that, meh. no clue. 18:30 tenplus1 I'd only need 1 million to live the rest of my natural life like a prince 18:31 CWz prince don't live for very long 18:31 benrob0329 At least Bill Gates didn't run for pres 18:31 red-NaN so if trump screws everyone over we know it was for his own benfit and not someone else's? 18:31 CWz they become kings at somepoint 18:31 CWz benrob0329, he'd probably make the windows XP startup theme into the natinal anthem 18:32 benrob0329 LOL 18:32 CWz Windows 98 memorial day 18:33 CWz Using Linux = as bad as drug use 18:33 VanessaE red-NaN: more or less, though others may benefit as a side effect. 18:33 red-NaN well thats a comforting thought 18:34 CWz A lot of people misheard him, he actually said: Let's make America's Grave again 18:35 CWz da same thing happened with starwars and "No, I am your father" 18:35 benrob0329 *sigh* 18:35 red-NaN huh you say a bit under half the population misheard him 18:36 benrob0329 Conservatives complain about Obama, liberals don't care 18:36 red-NaN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD1TVZ47xZY 18:37 red-NaN I promise it's not rick ashly 18:37 benrob0329 Liberals complain about Trump, conservatives don't care 18:37 benrob0329 Sounds familiar 18:37 CWz I have a crazy plan, we need to elect one of the core devs as president, that way the presidential salary could go into better use, like feeding the starving sever owners and devs 18:38 Jordach benrob0329, conservatives usually have 9-5 jobs 18:38 red-NaN Can I haz president? 18:38 CWz /grant red-NaN president 18:39 red-NaN /grantme all 18:39 Krock CWz, what are you even trying? /give red-NaN president 18:39 red-NaN /ban * 18:39 tenplus1 lolol 18:39 Krock also, rick astley ends with Q 18:39 Krock (in the URL) 18:40 Krock or M, if you see this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMyqQWcAuKM 18:40 red-NaN /shutdown 0 false why did you people vote for me 18:40 CWz <--- confused 18:40 tenplus1 hi lumidify 18:41 lumidify Hi tenplus1 18:48 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy 19:07 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejkHVAgzQ7U - the top comment xD 19:08 Calinou (the P90 video I posted this afternoon) 19:22 shivajiva ROFL 19:23 tenplus1 Xanadu now has player knock-back added to server for testing, we really need that entity detach pull added 19:26 tenplus1 plz plz plz plz devs : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5622 19:29 shivajiva it's being looked at carefully, need to make sure no errors are introduced by merging it 19:30 tenplus1 :3 19:59 Fixer Jordach: what FTB pack you said you played? 20:03 Jordach er 20:03 Jordach waii 20:10 red-NaN oh neat you can set the forum to hid certain users posts by default 20:10 red-NaN hide* 20:11 tenplus1 ooh 20:12 red-NaN I wish there was a way to ignore offtopic 20:32 tenplus1 nite all 20:32 Jordach GET SUM 20:44 shivajiva seen how it's ended? 20:46 Amaz ? 20:49 shivajiva wrong window =) 20:49 Amaz :) 20:49 shivajiva just following #minetest 20:49 Amaz Ah, that drama :P 20:51 shivajiva surreal 20:51 Amaz Here we go again *sigh* 21:08 Fixer [fuck] 21:08 Fixer [sneak can be enabled] 21:08 sfan5 i believe you meant [blyat] 21:11 Fixer [i don't swear IRL] 21:11 sfan5 doesn't mean you can't use your native language ;) 21:11 Fixer not my native 21:11 Jordach c h e e k i b r e e k i 21:12 sfan5 your native lang is not ukrainian? 21:12 red-001 pretty sure blyat is russian 21:12 Fixer blyat is russian word 21:12 red-001 ukrian and russian are not that similar 21:12 sfan5 oh thought you'd use it too 21:12 Fixer ukraine has poland analogue 21:12 Fixer we use both 21:12 Jordach neeeat 21:13 Jordach people taking SM64 apart byte by vyte 21:13 Fixer this is bad kind of offtopic now 21:13 Jordach it's minetest, of course we have offtopic when it's a slow day 21:14 rubenwardy could be more offtopic 21:14 sfan5 its always a slow day isnt it 21:15 rubenwardy could be talking about actual completely irrelevant things like sneak 21:15 * Jordach keks 21:15 Fixer sneak can be enabled via mod 21:15 sfan5 snek 21:15 Fixer 3 lines long iirc 21:15 Jordach how about we put sneak in a box 21:15 Jordach and push into fucking orbit and leave it there 21:16 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/RO1yCos.jpg 21:16 Fixer server owners will decide to use it or not 21:16 Jordach the sneak argument needs to cool off in cold vacuum 21:16 sfan5 also relevant http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/017/890/426.png 21:16 Jordach deport kebab 21:17 Jordach Minetest -hub should be the staging ground for new _game content, as well as discussing the engine PRs more publicly 21:18 Jordach i don't mean implementing new features, i mean testing it properly 21:18 Fixer i hope so 21:18 sfan5 yes make biomes great again 21:18 Fixer do you have anything to stage in? 21:18 Jordach Fixer, it's ***** ***** 21:18 Jordach take a guess 21:18 Fixer MTG is still a sandbox, decision must be made about the future of it 21:19 Fixer will it be Minetest Sandbox / Minetest Survival games... 21:19 Jordach in about a year when MCW10 ed catches up, MS will kill it 21:19 Jordach (the java one) 21:19 red-001 dunno they spent a lot on money on mc 21:20 Jordach yes, to make it less of a shithole 21:20 Fixer Jordach: har har... someone will write a proper launcher for it or whatever 21:20 red-001 surely they know that mods are the only reason so many people still care about MC 21:20 Jordach Notch's existing code is so much spaghetti that you can make so many meals to feed the homeless 21:21 Fixer i'm more interested in minetest future 21:21 Fixer minetest game future 21:21 Jordach yes 21:21 Fixer it is stuck more or less in sandbox territory 21:21 red-001 there is a mythical creature called good code 21:21 Jordach but relying on MTG to progress is expecting a dyslexic to win a spelling contest 21:22 red-001 no one has yet witnessed it 21:22 Fixer (?) split it in two: sandbox (current) and full blown survival (current + mobs + ambience/weather + automation + advanced (?)) 21:23 Jordach Fixer, i'm actually going to expand Solar Plains into not only a game, but to fix builtin 21:23 Fixer with automation you can finally utilise that ores you mine 21:23 Jordach (builtin as in main menu) 21:24 Fixer right now we have next new ore - TIN, with Bronze - those are two literally useless metals 21:24 Jordach a good coat of paint and a proper functional main menu might do wonders 21:24 Jordach why not use the existing auth handler to save a servers password locally 21:25 sfan5 a good coat of paint and a proper functional main menu might do wonders 21:25 sfan5 agree 100% 21:25 Jordach with shit like that you can add a button with a new main menu called rejoin last connected server 21:25 Jordach and play last selected singleplayer world 21:25 Fixer whats wrong with main menu? i know you can merge few tabs and get rid of some others... 21:25 Jordach Fixer, the whole fucking thing 21:25 Jordach get rid of fucking tabs 21:26 Jordach and use a true and tested button system 21:27 Fixer calculatrice 21:27 Fixer now this KEKS me a lot 21:28 Jordach we had a perfect chance with Kenney, and your moral high ground of "muh FOSS" killed it 21:28 Fixer not actually kek but interesting to note some similiratity with word I used in school 21:28 Jordach you've had plenty of chances to improve MT, and blew the lot because of neckbeardy FOSS-ness 21:29 Fixer Jordach: engine improved a lot, the problem is MTG 21:29 Jordach Fixer, it's both and you know it 21:29 sofar neckbeardy FOSS-ness 21:29 sofar heh 21:29 red-001 lol 21:29 Jordach goddamn licensing zealots 21:29 * sofar cheers on jordach 21:29 Jordach go suck stallmans fucking cock if you want 21:29 Fixer also, I wonder WTF with SUBgames... we want actual games for minetest, not just subgames for minetest_game 21:30 Jordach Fixer, oh look at me, the one person doing something about it 21:30 red-001 Jordach, I would watch out I heard stallman has a samuri sword 21:30 Fixer Jordach: but will it be included with the game? 21:30 * Jordach did get hired to make blender models for dosh 21:30 Jordach Fixer, that remains to be seen 21:31 red-001 https://i1.wp.com/imgs.xkcd.com/blag/rms_katana.jpg 21:31 Jordach about as sharp as the bevel on a CRT 21:31 Jordach Fixer, https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/blob/master/mods/hydrolics/init.lua#L4 21:31 Jordach technic like machines but with a super super quirky power system 21:32 Jordach for basic machines 21:32 Jordach (more advanced have their own separate sort) 21:33 red-001 intersting 21:33 rubenwardy I like that this community is so foss 21:33 rubenwardy means that you can modify and fix any of the mods 21:34 rubenwardy without stupid eulas, or worse - no source 21:34 Jordach rubenwardy, and it kneecaps potential developers (and commercial improvements) in the process 21:34 rubenwardy nope 21:34 Jordach see how many fucks are given with Forge 21:34 Jordach open or not 21:34 rubenwardy I'm not against proprietary subgames etc 21:34 red-001 linux seems to get a good bit of commerical support 21:35 Jordach and where would the world be without commercial support 21:35 Jordach there's a thing called nescessary evils 21:36 paramat kenney left because he was generally unhappy with the engine, it wasn't licensing 21:36 rubenwardy ^ 21:36 paramat and MT can be good without changing licensing 21:36 Jordach and was that a wake up call to pull your finger out or not? 21:37 rubenwardy we're not paid for this 21:37 Fixer btw, look at endless sky game, totally open source, sales on steam with nice reviewes 21:37 rubenwardy we all have other commitments, and can't invest enough time 21:37 red-001 looks like OC got more ips 21:37 paramat we work very hard on MT 21:38 red-001 doesn't seem to understand the idea behind ignore 21:38 Jordach paramat, Fixer money is the best motivator ;) 21:38 Fixer if there is limited time, there needs to be more people in MTG, with best mods and modders in deving it 21:40 paramat most of us are here because it is not about money and commercial stuff 21:40 Jordach paramat, doing it for fun is justifiable 21:41 paramat and your ego and superiority complex is amazing, i can't take it seriously :] 21:41 Jordach paramat, learn that anger is basically the second best motivator 21:41 Jordach get pissed off and you'll find how much it helps 21:43 Fixer you are lucky if pissed off person can code 21:43 Jordach Fixer, then channel it 21:43 Jordach or ask Cave Johnson 21:43 rubenwardy there's a difference between pissed off and annoyed 21:45 Jordach and like another proverb, use it or lose it 21:46 sofar anger isn't a good long-term motivator 21:46 sofar short term, maybe 21:47 sofar but long term it needs to morph into something else otherwise you're more likely to walk away (ragequit) 21:47 NathanS21 5 21:47 NathanS21 sorry, wrong keyboard. 21:48 shivajiva negative energy isn't creative it's destructive short or long term imo 21:51 Fixer when i go underwater in glass tunnel observing blinking everywhere i'm pissed off and annoyed at the same time 21:52 paramat hehe 22:02 sofar FYI, for those running minetest media servers 22:02 sofar I've made a new media server tool that makes deployment a LOT easier 22:02 sofar single program to do all the parts needed 22:02 sofar I'd like reviews and testers 22:02 sofar https://github.com/sofar/mtmediasrv 22:02 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17411 22:03 sofar binary releases are available for linux, but I can probably make other OS builds as well (easily) 22:11 rubenwardy sounds good 22:12 garywhite media servers? 22:13 rubenwardy garywhite, remote media, makes loading faster 22:13 rubenwardy media is loaded over http 22:16 garywhite I see 22:17 paramat can anyone kick iaamfriend200 in minetest? 22:21 Shara Seems all the channels need more ops at the moment... 22:27 garywhite All the channels? 22:27 garywhite I think there's plenty in here 22:28 Shara Here is fine. 22:28 Shara There was no one fighting in here so far. :) 23:00 octacian What's the difference between default.grow_apple_tree and default.grow_new_apple_tree? 23:03 paramat mgv6 appletree created using LVM or new design appletree schematic 23:04 paramat schematics cannot recreate the mgv6 appletree 23:04 octacian Yep, just figured it out. 23:04 octacian paramat: so, how do I create a schematic with the tree for my subgame? 23:08 benrob0329 Jordach: Minetest-Gamma is supposed to be a sort of staging ground 23:09 benrob0329 Just..nothing has been done with it 23:09 benrob0329 One some prs get there ill fire up a server for it 23:10 red-001 personally I would be more intersted in something like that but for the engine 23:11 benrob0329 An engine fork could be placed there as well 23:11 benrob0329 But I'm not capable of maintaining one atm 23:11 Fixer holy shit 23:11 benrob0329 What? 23:11 Fixer FTB beyond start up time is huuuuge 23:12 benrob0329 Fixer, I told you to stau away from dope things 23:13 benrob0329 They make you kek 23:14 Fixer 4gb min mem requirement 23:14 Fixer start up time like 3 minutes or so 23:17 Fixer status line with 80 000 receipes... 23:17 benrob0329 What is it? 23:19 paramat octacian you want to create a new tree schematic? 23:20 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3961 23:20 benrob0329 *bump* 23:20 octacian paramat: yes 23:20 octacian For my subgame 23:21 paramat ok .. 23:21 paramat https://github.com/minetest-mods/saveschems 23:21 paramat that's what we use to create all mtg schematics 23:21 octacian Thanks :D 23:22 octacian ok 23:22 octacian I'll mess around 23:22 benrob0329 Worldedit works too 23:22 paramat once you add your schem as a table, just run the mod in a world and the schem file appears in the folder 23:22 paramat worldedit nope 23:23 paramat cannot do some things 23:23 paramat cannot set per-node force-place 23:23 benrob0329 what's that? 23:23 paramat it's essential that trunks and branches are force-placed but leaves are not 23:23 benrob0329 Ohh 23:24 benrob0329 Yeah that's handy 23:24 octacian paramat: so how can I get the schematic table? 23:24 paramat force-place: replace any existing node 23:24 paramat you write out the table manually 23:25 paramat it's actually a fast and powerful way to design 23:25 paramat copy-paste z-slices for symmetrical trees 23:25 octacian Just read through the init.lua, I see. 23:25 octacian Also, WHY does the mod depend on "flowers" and "default?" 23:26 paramat those mods contain the nodes used in the schematics 23:26 octacian OK, I guess I just have to edit a bit. My subgame has neither of those mods. 23:27 paramat yeah you would depend on your own mod that contains the nodes you use in the schem 23:29 octacian Now, you mentioned that I could just write out the table manually, but also indicated that there's another way to do it? 23:30 paramat no other way, but if the tree is symmetrical you can copy-paste slices 1 and 2 to be slices 4 and 5 23:30 octacian Also, what's the difference between stuff like aspen tree, aspen tree from sapling, and mapgen aspen tree 23:31 octacian OK 23:31 paramat mapgen trees have force-placed trunks/branches by necessity, but this can grief builds when grown from saplings 23:32 octacian I see 23:32 paramat 'from sapling': only the sapling position is force-replaced 23:33 paramat i had complaints trees were growing through structures 23:33 octacian Also, how do those data tables work? I'm a bit confused especially from all the air at the top 23:33 paramat air prob = 0 is used for nodes you don't want to place 23:34 paramat they're upside-down vertical z-slices 23:34 paramat order is: x rows, increasing in y, increasing in z 23:35 paramat you can see the shape of the trees in the slices 23:35 octacian huh, ok... 23:35 octacian How big is each slice? 23:35 paramat you define that in the data 23:36 octacian So each slice = 1 row? 23:36 paramat it's all self explanatory when you study the data 23:36 octacian I'll try :D 23:36 paramat by 'slice' i mean a vertical slice, an XY plane 23:36 octacian ok 23:37 paramat like sliced bread 23:38 paramat the whole table runs through all nodes in order XYZ 23:39 paramat more info https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12011 23:56 octacian paramat: I got the idea I think :D 23:56 octacian Mapping out an oak tree ATM