Time Nick Message 00:05 benrob0329 Well in other news, I'm finally getting a new desk \o/ 00:09 ThomasMonroe benrob0329, you were interested in the Electric univers? 00:12 benrob0329 To an extent 00:30 benrob0329 o/ kaeza 00:35 kaeza hi benrob0329 00:50 octacian I'm working on a subgame that has all-stone terrain if mgv7 is used. What should I look for? 00:50 octacian paramat: ^ 00:50 VanessaE sounds like you want to resurrect the old "just test" server 00:50 octacian (note, this is an old subgame that I"m attempting to bring back to life) 00:50 VanessaE (it relied on mgv7 during a time when mgv7 had nothing but stone or air) 00:50 octacian Nope. Trying to resurrect the OCD subgame 00:51 octacian It's from 2014 lol 00:53 VanessaE good luck :) 00:53 octacian thanks xD 00:53 behalebabo octacian: looks like it doesn't register any biomes, so that would be your trouble 00:53 behalebabo seems it's using a default designed for v6 00:54 octacian Ah, you're right. 00:54 octacian How do you consistently know the exact answer for every one of my problems? :rotfl: 00:55 behalebabo too much digging around trying to fix broken mods 00:55 behalebabo I learned a lot that way 00:55 octacian Let's see if you know this one then: How do I get the current mapgen? 00:56 behalebabo minetest.get_mapgen_setting("mg_name") 00:56 octacian Thank you :D 00:56 behalebabo when answering a question I usually cheat and just look where I know it's used, in this case minetest_game/mods/default/mapgen.lua 00:57 behalebabo best way to find how something works, I've found 00:57 paramat erm 00:58 octacian Yeah, I'd just forgotten that you actually needed to register a biome 00:58 octacian paramat: NVM, behalebabo had the answer :D 00:58 paramat clearing the registered biomes might leave you with all-stone 00:58 octacian Issue was no mgv7 biomes were registered at all 00:58 paramat oh a subgame 00:58 octacian Yep 00:59 octacian Trying to resurrect OCD as OCD2 00:59 paramat do you want all-stone or is that the problem? 00:59 octacian Problem. Registered basic grassland biomes from minimal though, and fixed. 01:00 octacian I'm just now implementing river water so as to just use new MTG mapgen.lua. 01:00 paramat sorry i'm behind on reading logs 01:01 octacian Nope, it's OK. I'm just glad you're willing to help in the first place :D 01:01 paramat see default/mapgen.lua for biome registration examples 01:01 paramat minimal is a unreliable source for correct code 01:02 octacian *unrelated*: I updated my MT client today and snow + other nodeboxes show up in blue. Also, Exit to Menu exits game. 01:07 octacian Well, nearly got mapgen working. Still stone, but found a random beach which is a plus I guess :rotfl: 01:35 benrob0329 paramat: Your updated moonrealm mid is getting a video of its own :D 01:35 paramat nice 01:36 benrob0329 unfortunately, I have no idea how to survive on the moon 01:36 paramat the mod is a bit of a mess 01:37 benrob0329 (I'm pretty sure I screwed myself over tbh) 01:37 paramat i have plans for machines that generate air, silicon, glass from moondust, powered by solar panels 01:37 benrob0329 Granted, it may be bugs in the mod aswell 01:38 paramat air gen problem? 01:38 benrob0329 Like I couldn't craft a furnace 01:38 benrob0329 And that 01:39 paramat i might have removed furnace crafting to prepare for solar powered furnaces 01:39 paramat so yes it's a bit broken, but driving the rover is fun 01:39 Sokomine octacian: update again. i had that same problem today as well. latest version fixes it 01:40 benrob0329 paramat: this is true 01:40 octacian Sokomine: OK, will try. 01:40 benrob0329 I'm probably going to post the video asap rather than schedule it 01:40 benrob0329 Because I'm a bit behind 01:41 paramat the air generator will place air in a 16 node radius but your entire base must be sealed and within that radius 01:41 paramat otherwise vacuum nodes will spread through and remove the air 01:42 benrob0329 Having pressurized areas marked would be good 01:42 paramat air is visible from outside the air 01:42 paramat it has 2 blue pixels in the corner (O2) 01:42 benrob0329 Also was having problems with hydro-whatevertheheck spread 01:43 octacian Sokomine: thanks for mentioning, building again. 01:43 benrob0329 It didn't want to go into the dirt below flowing 01:43 benrob0329 anyways, you'll see in the video 01:44 paramat not sure the flowing node can saturate dirt. ok 01:44 benrob0329 It was interesting to play anyways :D 03:11 Sokomine paramat: oldcoder already runs a moontest server. that afaik has some air generators already 03:15 benrob0329 Meh, I'm gettin tierd 03:15 benrob0329 But this video must be finished 03:24 paramat Sokomine yes as far as i remember the moontest air code is based on an earlier version of my mod, with some edits 03:38 octacian How do you set the light of one specific node without placing a node? 03:38 octacian I heard that there was some way to do it using the Voxel Manipulator... 03:39 paramat yeah 03:41 paramat although set_node might do it with param1 = x 03:41 benrob0329 Is vmanip faster than set or swap for single node places? 03:42 paramat slower 03:42 benrob0329 K 03:43 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2229 03:43 benrob0329 Is there a way to start a nodetimer after swap? 03:44 paramat seems so https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L333 03:47 benrob0329 That function never calls swap_node 03:48 paramat yes but that code shows how to start a timer on a node 03:49 Sokomine paramat: ah. good to know. it's a nice server 03:50 octacian paramat: param1 = x? 03:50 paramat x being the light level you want 03:51 benrob0329 paramat: ik how to start a node timer, I'm just wondering if you can do so after calling swap_node (I don't believe you can, but if anyone knows otherwise then I can ditch my custom function) 03:51 octacian huh ok 03:51 octacian I'll try that, cause VoxelManip is COMPLICATED 03:52 paramat octacian see the lua api link i posted 03:52 octacian Yup! Thanks :D 03:53 Sokomine voxelmanip is nice :-) it's worth trying to understand how it works 03:55 octacian paramat: it doesn't seem to be working in add node. I try param1 = 13, but somehow param1 always = 15 03:55 octacian ..and It's not changing the light level 03:57 paramat might need an update, maybe dig a node nearby 03:59 octacian paramat: nope, nothing. 04:03 octacian I'm out, night all! 04:11 benrob0329 Ah shite 04:11 benrob0329 I have an early morning appointment tomorrow 04:11 benrob0329 I just want to get this video done! 04:12 benrob0329 I will get it done, tomorrow (obviously) 04:12 benrob0329 Hell or high water 04:12 benrob0329 Ill do it if I have to tape film strips together 12:20 Fixer *,...,* 13:26 Shara Anyone else finding their servers literally flooded to death by these three number ending names? 13:26 rubenwardy Android clones' version of guest123 13:28 Shara I'm currently needing to restart my survival server every couple of hours because maploading just stops. I've never had problems when the number of players is sitting close to the cap before, and all I can think of is it's the attempted number of connections due to them 13:28 Shara ANy time I restart, I seem to have 10+ of them again within a minute 13:29 Shara Server up five mins, and I'm at 17/22 players, with 11 of them being these 3 number names 14:22 Jordach just autoban 3 number names 14:23 Jordach got three numbers in your name consecutively? get a real name 14:23 Jordach learn to drop the fucking ban hammer every now and then 14:23 Shara Jordach: I ban plenty of people 14:23 Jordach Shara, and i mean harder 14:23 Jordach :^)))))) 14:24 Shara I'm known to get grouchy if I go a full day without banning anyone :) 14:24 Shara But there's a whole bunch of genuine players using numbers. 14:24 * Jordach meant on registering a new player 14:25 Shara Yes, I know. But still thinking about what I want to do. 14:26 Shara Mostly trying to work out if their connection attempts after player cap is reached are the issue 14:26 Shara Because I don't mind them playing, I only mind if they are what is stopping others playing 14:44 red-NaN shit I guess I'm about to get banned then 14:45 * Jordach was joking 14:46 Shara If it comes to that, I'll make a special exception for names starting with red :) 15:39 red-NaN I wonder are we missing a lot of people from -project 15:41 Amaz Nope, we have 3 people more :P 15:41 ircSparky hi 15:42 Amaz red-NaN: Users on #-project and those on #-hub now: https://pastebin.com/enWXkgkN 15:44 rubenwardy you can get a list of names for each channel, add them as two lists in librecalc/excel, color by channel, merge into one list, then sort 15:44 rubenwardy then go through and remove all duplicate names 15:44 rubenwardy you'll get a diff 15:44 Amaz That sounds like a bit too much effort for a Saturday afternoon :P 15:44 rubenwardy actually, you could use `diff` instead 15:47 * Shara wonders who some of these people are 15:48 Krock rubenwardy, how about doing multiple records, say all two days and make a pie ( <3 ) diagram to visualize the changes? 15:49 Krock not to forget that it must be published on a website using the material design 15:49 Shara An come with the other type of pie as well, because I'm hungry :) 15:50 rubenwardy should look like this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7c/dc/52/7cdc529b97492aefd4f9611fa4ce2c3b.jpg 15:50 Shara And* 15:50 rubenwardy have input and output sources (ie: the channels, left IRC, joined IRC) 15:50 rubenwardy plus it should be written using silverlight, to allow proper business logic 15:51 rubenwardy brb 15:51 Krock why is that one not 3d? not satisfying this way 15:51 Krock moving along the "stripes", zooming in and going around them is definitely a missing feature there 16:07 red-NaN well I doubt davisonio will join -hub any time soon, he hosts a server but is almost never online 16:14 rdococ red := 3.5 18:22 * Jordach meows 18:26 * Jordach meows at rubenwardy 18:27 * rubenwardy barks 18:27 Fixer rubenwardy: nice visualisation 19:09 tenplus1 hi folks 19:12 Shara Hi Ten :P 19:12 tenplus1 hi Shara :) 19:13 Krock hi tenplus1 19:13 tenplus1 hey Krock 19:13 tenplus1 how's all tonight :) 19:13 Krock I'm fine, thanks 19:13 tenplus1 glad to hear 19:13 * tenplus1 has ordered a Hoggie for noms :PPPP 19:14 Krock adding some ASCII art into an ASCII art 19:14 tenplus1 ooh, gotta link ? 19:16 Krock http://i.imgur.com/UfW5P5F.png there's also text around that I simply removed (privacy) 19:16 tenplus1 TF Receiver 19:24 tenplus1 hi ben 19:30 Krock bye ben 19:31 tenplus1 o/ 19:39 kaeza hi tenplus1 19:39 kaeza first! 19:39 tenplus1 h kaeza 19:39 kaeza o/ Krock 19:40 Krock o/ kaeza 19:40 tenplus1 :P 19:52 tenplus1 pah! the latest firefox has a weird stall glitch 19:54 shivajiva Hi tenplus1 o/ 19:54 kaeza what a surprise 19:55 tenplus1 FF has run well for me each time, just this latest release that messed up 19:55 tenplus1 hi shiva 19:55 kaeza on the good side you probably have yet another social network thingy bundled 19:56 tenplus1 hope not, I disable all those things by default :P 19:56 Krock FF just crashed today because I set my computer into standby for a couple hours 19:57 sfan5 chromium never does that :3 19:57 Krock it only eats your memory and does nothing else 19:57 tenplus1 hi sfan, and yes, chromium has bugged out on me as well at times :P 19:57 shivajiva o/ kaeza, Krock, sfan5 19:57 Krock o/ shivajiva 20:00 Jordach m e o w 20:00 tenplus1 hi Jordach 20:00 Jordach t h a t w a s f a s t 20:00 tenplus1 :P 20:02 rdococ h i 20:02 rdococ moo moo I'm a cat 20:02 tenplus1 lol hi rdococ 20:05 kaeza ｐｏｎｉｅｓ 20:06 Krock cat cat I'm a moo 20:09 * Shara wonders if the channel needs renaming 20:09 tenplus1 #minetest-zoo 20:09 shivajiva my family and other animals? 20:09 Shara One of those :) 20:10 shivajiva o/ Jordach 20:10 VanessaE heh 20:11 Jordach nah, this is #minetest but for expert shitposters 20:11 sfan5 ｅｘｐｅｒｔ 20:11 shivajiva lol 20:14 Jordach we've migrated from the ungrateful noobs 20:14 tenplus1 hehe 20:14 * Jordach is working on a brand new main menu for MT as part of the Solar Plains project 20:14 tenplus1 I liked the idea of mixing client/server tabs together in git 20:15 * Jordach thought better 20:16 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5622 <-- we need 'dis 20:17 red-NaN doesn't that break pausing in singleplayer? 20:17 Jordach my better option was something far more impressive 20:17 red-NaN which was? 20:17 tenplus1 you got link? 20:34 * Jordach has the stuff written down 20:34 Jordach will do later on once i finish this set of blender models 20:41 Fixer Jordach: 3d scene in main menu? 20:41 Jordach Fixer, less "we didn;t spent anything on designing a real UI for MT" 20:41 Jordach more holy shit it's usable 20:43 tenplus1 hi rubenwardy 20:44 rubenwardy hi tenplus1 20:45 Fixer Jordach: holy shit, it is baked clay, ambience, weather, automation, mobs in Minetest Game 20:45 tenplus1 ? 20:45 Fixer sorry, that was my cat typing 20:45 Fixer nevermind 20:48 Jordach Fixer, Solar Plains will get some sort of weather,automaiton and ambiance 20:49 tenplus1 sounds good 20:49 tenplus1 nite folks :PP o/ 20:51 Jordach a more fancy automation systen that's entirely visual 20:52 Jordach but requires a bit of thought into it 20:52 Jordach power flows infinitely on x and z, but not up, only down 21:08 benrob0329 Boom. 21:09 Jordach headshot. 21:10 Jordach snipins a good job m8 21:10 Jordach plenty of work 21:10 Jordach out of doors 21:11 benrob0329 Heh 21:11 Jordach guaranteed you won't go hungry 21:11 Jordach at the end of the day, as long as there's two people left on the planet, someone is going to want someone dead 21:25 * benrob0329 uninstalls, and disables most built in Sprint App crap that keeps sending him frcking ad as push notifications 21:25 benrob0329 *ads 21:26 benrob0329 Its like, geez, I paid for your darn service, leave me alone! 21:27 benrob0329 (One of the reasons I wont use |\/|$ Windows) 21:42 Hijiri Jordach: I don't know, what if nobody knows about any other people? 21:42 Hijiri though in that case they might want themselves dead 21:50 benrob0329 "Connection reset by peer" 21:50 benrob0329 Can I slap the peer? 21:51 VanessaE so... 21:51 VanessaE some asshole has decided to bot-attack VE-Building 21:51 VanessaE three guesses who? 21:51 VanessaE kaeza and I have mitigated it 21:52 rubenwardy RedocDlo? 21:52 VanessaE probably. 21:52 VanessaE oh you DDoS'ed me! I'll do the same to you! 21:52 VanessaE :P 21:55 Fixer VanessaE: or maybe same dude(s) that ddosed oldcoder 21:55 VanessaE Fixer: could be. 21:55 VanessaE paramat: no need to [off] here. he directly made such a threat. 21:56 Fixer i don't think so, he phrased it differently iirc 21:57 VanessaE well whoever it was failed :) 22:00 red-NaN VanessaE, let's make a baseless accusation and blame it on notch 22:01 VanessaE heh 22:01 red-NaN clearly he grew jealous of minetest and used his botnet of minecraft client that microsoft lets him keep due to it being in his contract 22:01 red-NaN clients* 22:02 VanessaE whoever it is doesn't realize I run xban2, have several admins, and if I have to, can drop whole class-A's at the firewall :P 22:05 red-NaN botnet? 22:05 VanessaE even a botnet runs out of IPs eventually.. 22:08 benrob0329 http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/articles/installing-linux-on-a-dead-badger-users-notes/ 22:08 red-NaN I wonder why someone would do that 22:08 red-NaN out of all the targets to DDoS 22:09 VanessaE https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats-daily.html 22:09 VanessaE bottom image of the set, all that lime green is VE-Building 22:10 VanessaE almost all of the "users" names were "fooNN", like "Jeff23" or "horatio35" or so 22:10 red-NaN oh so the DDos'ers used the minetest protocol 22:11 VanessaE yeah, actual client connections 22:11 red-NaN did they connect or just sent a the first few packets then start another connection? 22:12 red-NaN oh I see 22:14 VanessaE they signed on, walked around randomly, tried to dig, most of them getting stuck in corners or buildings 22:14 VanessaE so it's a bunch of headless minetest clients using the "random moves" test option I think 22:14 red-NaN lol so basicly 50% of moblie users 22:15 benrob0329 Heh 22:15 red-NaN well thats a pretty low effort attack 22:15 red-NaN probaly just trying to use up all the user slots 22:16 VanessaE heh 22:16 VanessaE yeah probably so 22:17 VanessaE correction 22:17 VanessaE they're "fooNNN" (three digits) but getting caught by my "too many digits in username" filter 22:17 VanessaE so they're re-trying with two digitsa. 22:17 VanessaE -a 22:18 red-NaN are all the ip's similar? 22:19 VanessaE no 22:19 VanessaE and now they're switching targets, one just tried my DB creative server 22:19 benrob0329 O_O 22:19 red-NaN huh maybe they are somehow using proxies? 22:20 VanessaE and now longerstaff13 is seeing something hitting his as well. 22:20 VanessaE I don't know. 22:20 nore VanessaE: just xban all of them *shrug* 22:20 VanessaE nore: I have been, but my servers don't share auth.txt or xban records, wish they would. 22:20 benrob0329 rsync? 22:21 VanessaE can't use that 22:21 benrob0329 Git? 22:21 VanessaE the xban mod (and engine) would need to know how to share the files. 22:21 VanessaE doesn't matter how they get copied. 22:21 benrob0329 Http requests? 22:21 VanessaE idk 22:21 red-NaN seems a bit unsophisticated for someone with a botnet 22:22 nore ^ hmm I could try to write a way for many servers to share auth records sometime 22:22 kaeza it would be nice to be able to send a pre-connection form of some sort to clients. this could be used to show a proper "register account" form with possible captcha-like functionality 22:22 red-NaN I mean for what you are saying they are running something close to a full client 22:22 VanessaE that would be nice 22:23 red-NaN form* 22:23 VanessaE nore: I'd like that. all five of mine should use the same auth.txt, ban list, and xban records. 22:23 nore VanessaE: auth.txt is not so simple though 22:23 nore it contains privs IIRC 22:23 red-NaN ^ 22:23 VanessaE nore: yeah I know. but sharing uid/pw would be useful 22:24 nore yep 22:24 benrob0329 having your name/pword/skin shared across servers would be handy 22:24 red-NaN they should really be moved to the player info database 22:24 VanessaE (I realize that increases the attach surface some) 22:24 nore we could make an "auth server" and a way to ask for auth on the auth server instead 22:25 VanessaE ~tell tenplus1 [04-22 18:16] i have farming plus, with recent update no leaves are droped <-- he means leaf decay. 22:25 ShadowBot VanessaE: Error: Missing ">". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 22:25 Fixer kek 22:25 VanessaE ~tell tenplus1 "[04-22 18:16] i have farming plus, with recent update no leaves are droped <-- he means leaf decay. " 22:25 ShadowBot VanessaE: O.K. 22:25 * red-NaN summons nerzhul 22:26 red-NaN isn't there some way offical way to add a custom auth backend? 22:30 VanessaE *cough* 22:31 VanessaE dude, get that magic wand checked out, it's belching out smoke againm 22:31 VanessaE -m 22:31 benrob0329 **crickets** 22:31 VanessaE and idk about custom auth backends. 22:31 benrob0329 You used a magic wand to summon him? 22:32 benrob0329 Well there's your problem 22:32 VanessaE yeah, that's the one of his that he broke in half and tried to tape it back together 22:32 benrob0329 You obviously need to use psychic paper 22:32 VanessaE we've already seen the trouble one of those can cause. :) 22:34 benrob0329 We have? 22:35 * red-NaN uses time travel and them summons red-001 22:35 VanessaE benrob0329: surely you've seen Harry Potter? 22:36 benrob0329 wait, so you can send messages throughout time? 22:36 benrob0329 that's cute 22:36 * red-001 uses time travel and them summons red-NaN 22:36 benrob0329 VanessaE: nope, well I saw one, that was it 22:37 VanessaE benrob0329: in one of the movies, maybe the second one, one character (Weasley?) broke his wand by accident. taped it back together, but it always malfunctioned after that. 22:37 Jordach sounds like me_irl 22:37 benrob0329 ill stick to sonic screwdrivers :-) 22:38 VanessaE heh 22:38 red-NaN benrob0329, it's just a small violation of causality 22:38 benrob0329 a small bit 22:39 benrob0329 If people like you have time messages, we're all doomed 22:39 red-NaN well I'm not google they give up on something **just** beacuse it violates a few laws of phyiscs 22:40 benrob0329 Well, it violates our laws of physics 22:40 benrob0329 Simple way around that: don't be in our universe 22:41 benrob0329 aka, own a spacecraft that utilizes pockey dimentions for the interior 22:41 red-NaN we almost had teleportion but google gave up just because of a few fundamental laws of the universe 22:43 red-NaN "The conversation eventually drifts to how the team had at one point debated the pros and cons of taking on teleportation. Yes, like in Star Trek. As with that show’s Transporter, the molecules of a person or thing could theoretically be “beamed” across a physical distance with the help of some kind of scanning technology and a teleportation device. None of which really ­exists, of course. Piponi, after some 22:43 red-NaN study, concluded that teleportation violates several laws of physics. " 22:43 * red-NaN thinks that this reached the off topic limit