Time  Nick        Message
02:38 benrob0329  http://imgur.com/a/bW9Zf
02:38 benrob0329  go home mgv5, your drunk.
02:57 benrob0329  http://imgur.com/a/b93qq <- this is why railnet should have been considered for mtg.
03:15 sofar       I don't understand
03:16 * VanessaE  peeks in
03:31 benrob0329  sofar: thats a ton of carts all on the same track, all running smoothly
03:34 sofar       send a patch to improve the current carts in mtg?
03:35 benrob0329  railnet is a total rewrite, and was considered experimental by stu last update
03:35 benrob0329  probably should be tested extensively before hand on multiplayer servers
03:35 sofar       I mean, if the movement code is an improvement, I'm sure Krock would consider adopting it
03:36 benrob0329  well, he can take a look. carts code is...interesting
03:37 benrob0329  im currently using simulated lag to test between default and railnet
03:39 benrob0329  with a fair amount of lag both mods are fairly vomit enducing
03:40 benrob0329  but with a reasonable amount of lag railnet is considerably smoother
03:41 VanessaE    do we not have a "move to x,y,z and stop" entity command yet?
03:41 VanessaE    that would certainly eliminate the vomit-inducing problem
03:41 VanessaE    and pipeworks items look horrible when they float out of a tube during lag, only to snap back smoothly
03:42 benrob0329  i think railnet somehow smooths out the movement
03:42 nore        VanessaE: timed move
03:42 VanessaE    nore: could it be applied to pipeworks?
03:43 nore        VanessaE: yes but would need some rewrite
03:43 VanessaE    ok.
03:43 nore        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1489
03:43 benrob0329  particles might be less server intensive
03:43 benrob0329  fore pipworks
03:43 benrob0329  *for
03:44 VanessaE    can't use particles.
03:44 nore        (also, still requires the lag on the server to be lower than the time between two updates, or to modify the PR so that you can have more than one update at a time)
03:44 VanessaE    for particles to work, tubes would have to be hollow, and they aren't (and can't be)
03:44 VanessaE    btw that reminds me... nore, how hard would it be to use connected nodeboxes for those tubes?
03:44 VanessaE    (should be trivial I think?)
03:45 nore        VanessaE: no, there's not enough control on connexions I think
03:45 VanessaE    no?
03:45 nore        for things like 1-way tubes, etc
03:45 VanessaE    well one-way tubes already behave differently
03:45 nore        you want pipes to connect to some sides but not others
03:45 nore        the problem is the other nodes
03:45 VanessaE    hm
03:45 VanessaE    well
03:46 nore        well, the faces to which the tubes connect to these other nodes
03:46 nore        correct me sofar if I'm wrong
03:46 VanessaE    a node that says it can only connect from two siders, will only erver get the engine to connect ot those two sides
03:46 VanessaE    regardless of what the other connecting nodes want to do
03:46 VanessaE    so you could tell the engine that the one-way tube can onyl connect from its ends and the engine will obey
03:46 nore        are you sure that is possible? and works with 6d facedir?
03:47 VanessaE    yep.
03:47 VanessaE    I'm not sure about 6dfacedir
03:47 VanessaE    but the rest I am sure of
03:47 nore        ok
03:47 * VanessaE  pokes sofar
03:47 nore        well, depends on whether 6d facedir works then...
03:47 VanessaE    well
03:48 VanessaE    one could easily just add a vertical tube
03:48 VanessaE    with connections to top/bottom only
03:48 nore        hmmm
03:48 VanessaE    and on-screwdriver that enforces only flipping it over
03:48 VanessaE    or rather,
03:48 VanessaE    that flips it between the vertical one and the horizontal one
03:48 nore        what about node breakers & deployers?
03:48 VanessaE    and enforces exact param2 values
03:48 nore        we would need to add three versions of each of these
03:49 VanessaE    I don't know about those
03:49 VanessaE    have to look into how it behaves
03:49 nore        one with normal facedir
03:49 VanessaE    right I got you
03:49 nore        one looking to the top
03:49 nore        and one to the bottom
03:49 VanessaE    lemme look at something
03:50 nore        btw, taking about lots of nodes: do you remember https://github.com/Ekdohibs/wires/blob/master/wires_tables.lua ? :)
03:51 VanessaE    well, rotating a node that connects to wires works
03:52 VanessaE    http://i.imgur.com/fDasMgC.png
03:52 VanessaE    the front of that MV grinder is facing up
03:52 VanessaE    the cables, as you know, are connected nodeboxes
03:52 nore        VanessaE: did you check all sides?
03:53 VanessaE    in this shot, the sides facing left and down are connected to the cables.  the side facing away (the top) is not.
03:53 VanessaE    I'm checkin that nog
03:53 VanessaE    now*
03:55 VanessaE    ok, flipping and rotating it around is a little confusing
03:56 VanessaE    but basically, I can't cables to connect to the side facing up or toward me regardless of which side of the node that actually is
03:56 VanessaE    (though simple rotations around the Y axis do change the cable connections to X/Z, as expected)
03:57 VanessaE    oh, and yes I remember the lots-of-nodes thing :)
03:58 benrob0329  (Offtopic) https://youtu.be/pgwWsTqeIx0
03:59 VanessaE    so the engine needs patched to honor 6dfacedir
03:59 VanessaE    or three versions of each node will be needed.
04:12 VanessaE    I wonder what would happen if you threw wallmounted at it? :)
04:28 benrob0329  Total chaos
04:38 * VanessaE  wonders where nore and sofar wandered off to
04:41 benrob0329  You know,  coding can be a huge drag sometimes
04:41 VanessaE    yes, it can :-/
04:41 benrob0329  Like converting my tardis mod to an api
04:41 benrob0329  Its boring as hell
04:42 VanessaE    I've been so...uninspired lately.  trying to fix technic bugs (in most cases, it's at least better than before), but otherwise just can't be bothered to create something new
04:43 VanessaE    (I've got a TODO for homedecor a mile long :-/ )
04:43 benrob0329  I've got a life TODO a mile long :-/
04:43 VanessaE    that, too
04:44 benrob0329  So many things, so little time
04:44 benrob0329  *sigh* I suppose you do that just like anything else
04:44 benrob0329  One thing at a time
04:44 VanessaE    yep
09:21 paramat     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5519 "Sneak: Add option for old move code" is merged, i'll make a forum post later about how to enable old move code
09:25 paramat     enable using this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5519#issuecomment-294439036
10:48 celeron55   everybody who's on linux: which freetype version are you running? either package version like 2.6.0 or library version which is like 18.0.12 (freetype-config --version)
10:56 nerzhul     19.0.13
10:57 CWz         17.1.11
11:11 celeron55   (someone was wondering about a chat newline bug on #minetest, which is why asked)
11:11 celeron55   +i
11:15 Calinou     19.0.13
11:15 Calinou     exactly like nerzhul :P
11:32 Krock       ah great. MSVC build is broken again.. looking up bad commit
12:26 paramat     freetype version 18.1.12
12:37 Jordach     eh
13:48 * CWz       presses the button coloured lavender
14:07 paramat     sneak news https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17397
14:59 Fixer       all your bugs are belong to us
15:07 Krock       aww man. It looks impossible to allow walking on 1/16 stairs AND to disallow double-jumps
15:10 * Shara     is fine with double jumps :P
15:59 Krock       ah moment. there's apparently a way
16:05 Wayward_One Hi all :)
16:05 Wayward_One Freetype version 18.1.12 on this installation btw
16:09 celeron55   that's the exact version that the person who had a text wrapping issue had
16:09 celeron55   see like 5 hours earlier on #minetest
16:10 paramat     i'm 18.1.12 also
17:07 Krock       did they change their versioning system somewhen? Latest stable is listed as version 2.7.1 on Wikipedia
17:08 sfan5       there is a difference between library version and package version
17:14 Krock       that sounds strange but whatever. if it works like this...
17:19 Krock       Did some sneak ladder measurements and finally understand why it feels much slower with my PR. The new sneak ladder are faster than the original ones. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5533#issuecomment-294529290
17:23 sfan5       i'm assuming this is caused by the MYMAX on y coord i added in my second sneak pr
17:24 Krock       who knows *shrug*
17:47 Jordach     meep
17:47 Krock       meep meep
18:48 celeron55   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxEX0qvQ4p8 ok who makes a mod with this
18:49 celeron55   the sound is important, and you will need a file for fixing up the points ignition when you find it
18:50 VanessaE    heh
18:50 VanessaE    a gas-powered circular saw, now that's something you don't see every day
18:55 sofar       that's gonna make a fantastic halloween costume
19:19 Krock       > formats flash drive
19:20 Krock       > copies 10 MiB on it
19:20 Krock       > disk error, can't be formatted anymore
19:20 Krock       Thanks god that I almost reached 1 write cycle per sector
19:21 Krock       ^ without regarding the formatting itself
19:21 Krock       must've been a bad production
19:46 Fixer       Krock: shiteconomy
19:50 VanessaE    sofar: regarding connected nodeboxes..  any chance we could get full 6dfacedir support on those?
19:51 sofar       it's possible, I think
19:51 VanessaE    oh good.
19:51 sofar       nodedef.cpp has the code to calculate the sides and return the boxes
19:51 sofar       that also should know about the param2 value and thus rotation
19:52 VanessaE    I ask because pipeworks is one of the last holdouts for it (tubes would benefit, but a few tubed machines/items have to have param2 support)
19:52 VanessaE    and, what would happen if someone tried to do connected nodeboxes + wallmounted paramtype2?
19:53 VanessaE    (I haven't tried it yet, just curious)
19:54 sofar       should be possible, but it'd be weird?
19:54 VanessaE    well I ask because, you know how some homedecor items are wallmounted but they look like they're not?
19:55 VanessaE    like couches or lamps?
19:56 tenplus1    hi folks
19:56 VanessaE    I was thinking, pipeworks' "one way tube" is one of about half a dozen items that can flip around and rotate.. what if I made it the same way, with the two ends marked as "connects".  if I flipped it around, would the connections follow to all 6 possible orientations?
19:56 VanessaE    afternoon, tenplus1
19:57 tenplus1    hi Vanessa
20:08 VanessaE    I think I short-circuited sofar's brain ;)
20:09 Shara       Hi ten
20:09 Krock       hi tenplus1
20:09 tenplus1    hi Shara, hi Krock :)
20:10 Fixer       VanessaE: his brain right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43zOwm34hqQ
20:11 sofar       just busy, nothing weird guys
20:11 VanessaE    now now :)
20:11 VanessaE    sofar: I figured as much, only kidding :)
20:11 VanessaE    see above though.
20:12 Fixer       VanessaE: this is excellent music for connecting to your servers
20:13 Fixer       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17402
20:14 VanessaE    zzz
20:14 VanessaE    come on people, just use mesecons, maybe give it new textures if you want it to look red.  improve the code therein if it's slow.
20:15 Fixer       VanessaE: we need automation in game, basic one, yet powerful :trollface:
20:15 * Fixer     is compiling a newer engine version yet again
20:16 tenplus1    hi Fixer
20:16 Fixer       hi tidyman
20:53 Fixer       sofar: https://github.com/minetest-mods/frame/issues/2 .__.
21:02 sofar       hah
21:02 sofar       lemme just Fixer that now
21:03 tenplus1    nite peeps
21:06 sofar       Fixer: pushed fix, please try
21:10 Fixer       sofar: works, ty
21:13 Fixer       sofar: new bush saplings can't be put into frame
21:13 sofar       they're not registered
21:14 Fixer       same with waterlilly
21:14 VanessaE    Fixer: we can haz meta_set_nodedef? :P
21:14 Fixer       sofar: intended?
21:15 VanessaE    it's the only way to solve it
21:15 sofar       water lily is an omission
21:16 sofar       meta set nodedef would make registrations no longer needed
21:16 sofar       it would be entirely dynamic
21:16 VanessaE    exactly
21:22 Fixer       sofar: also, flowerpot does not support new bush saplings
21:24 sofar       same reason
21:24 sofar       you can do a PR though, that's trivial
21:24 sofar       can even use web editor for that
21:24 Fixer       so it is a bug?
21:38 sofar       omission?
21:38 sofar       so yes, by definition a bug
21:39 paramat     btw should waterlily be renewable somehow? i guess all plants have to be?
21:41 VanessaE    paramat: renewable yes, but definitely limit their spread
21:42 VanessaE    they should, imho, be just as they were in plantlife - always along a shore within like 3m or so of it
21:42 sofar       I'd like that, but, you can't really consume them
21:43 VanessaE    or rather, always on water, within 3m or so of sand or dirt (that allows them to spawn in shallow water without necessarily having to be along a shoreline)
21:53 Fixer       sofar: frame registrations are hand written? o_O
21:53 sofar       of course
21:58 Fixer       put frame in frame
22:00 sofar       it works
22:00 Fixer       yes
22:38 * Jordach   prefers making buckets place water that decays with an abm
22:41 VanessaE    idea:L
22:42 VanessaE    idea:  have the bucket only place a water source if it would be contained on all five sides
22:42 VanessaE    otherwise, it places flowing water == let the engine decay it immediatle.y
22:42 VanessaE    immediately*
22:42 VanessaE    (all five sides, assumes a bottom, four sides, open top, e.g. a hole in the ground is okay)
22:52 VanessaE    actually I suppose that wouldn't work.