Time Nick Message 00:01 Fixer Jordach: goes good before sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQE66WA2s-A 00:09 Fixer this house is gonna suck 00:09 Fixer too square 00:10 Fixer more testing later @ strange fps results 04:27 TommyTreasure just for kicks, before i do the lights out here..... what is the lowest vid card for a win 32 system for client side? 04:27 TommyTreasure .15-stable 09:57 Shara Morning all 10:03 nerzhul hi 10:05 Shara Ugh, back to server issues every day, even though nothing has been updated or changed lately 10:11 Shara Hi lumidify 10:12 lumidify Hi Shara 10:12 Jordach meow 10:12 Shara Jordach! Meow! 10:12 lumidify woof 10:12 * Shara sighs to lumidify 10:12 Shara Meow is better, I think. 10:13 lumidify snort 10:13 Shara Hmm 10:13 lumidify https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animal_sounds 10:13 Shara Okay, I don't mind snort 10:14 Shara Good morning, Fixer 10:22 celeron55 beep 10:23 Jordach celeron55, morning 10:23 Shara hi celeron55 10:23 Jordach getting those final touches done to my base core and then github is read 10:23 Jordach +y 10:24 Shara I want to poke mods, but should really do non-MT things today 10:29 * shivajiva checks manual - single beep: all systems functioning :) 10:38 Jordach woot 10:38 Jordach on_wake jingles are working correctly 10:39 * Jordach hits the formspec button to disable it 10:39 celeron55 the button should only make them increasingly louder 10:39 * Jordach is already scarred from overly saturated Green Hill 10:40 * Shara adds celeron55 to the list of people who are probably making her not use sound in MT :P 10:47 Fixer hi 10:47 shivajiva hi Fixer 10:49 Jordach In order to make this repository private, you’ll need to upgrade your account. 10:49 Jordach ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 10:50 Shara Hehe... that's where github tries to get your money 10:50 Shara I think I still have free private repositories there though, because I'm special :) 10:51 shivajiva use gitlab for private repos :) 10:51 shivajiva it can fetch it from github and then you can delete it 10:52 shivajiva you can even sign in with your github credentials 10:53 Shara Hi CWz 10:58 Shara shivajiva: I'm tempted to say that sounds like more effort than what I do, but then I realised I only get them for free because I study, and that's definitely too much effort :P 11:00 Jordach how do i save in git vim 11:01 celeron55 maybe esc :wq 11:01 Shara Yea, that would work I think 11:01 Shara I try to avoid landing in vim with it, when I can :) 11:02 celeron55 (i use vim every day) 11:02 celeron55 it's just that you can't really guess all the modes and stuff 11:02 lumidify I use the original vi :) 11:03 Shara I use it, just not often enough for much at all to stick in memory 11:03 lumidify Mainly so that I can tell people I write my essays in a 41 year-old editor with LaTex :P 11:03 Shara :D 11:03 celeron55 vi would be fine if it had proper undo but it doesn't have even that 11:03 celeron55 apparently back then having more than one undo steps consumed too much memory 11:04 lumidify Have you ever tried vis? 11:04 lumidify It's a lot smaller than vim, but still has a lot more features than vi. 11:04 celeron55 frankly vim could be 10x bigger and i wouldn't care, lol 11:05 lumidify I just really like having an editor that opens in a split second like vi 11:05 Shara Hmm, everything I use seems to open in less than a second :P 11:06 lumidify *and I like using old computers 11:08 Shara I don't think I'd have enough patience. 11:08 Shara And I like to run far too many things at once 11:10 lumidify Just the fact that I like using gopher should show how lightweight I like things... 11:10 Jordach ayy 11:10 Jordach finally got my git account relinked again 11:13 Jordach wait what 11:13 Jordach minetest.after didn't pause in singleplayer? 11:13 Jordach it has been doing that the whole time during my testing 11:13 Jordach wat 11:16 Calinou GitHub private repos are free if you're a student 11:16 Calinou (valid for 2 years, renewable) 11:17 Jordach mfw "On 24 September 2017, you will be charged £39 for another year of Student Prime." 11:17 Dumbeldor Yep Calinou 11:17 Jordach FeelsGoodMan 11:17 Shara Calinou: Yes, that's how I get them. 11:19 Jordach >sees website for this repo 11:19 Jordach >thinks about designing it 11:19 Shara Though I'm not sure if it's still working for me or not anymore. Trying to find out if I can check somehow 11:26 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/issues/1 12:48 Jordach Shara, meow 12:48 Jordach look, a repo 12:48 Shara Meow! 12:48 Shara You dare to share? 12:49 Jordach >sets technics to -30dB 12:49 Jordach >forgets MT audio was enabled 12:49 Jordach >ears rekt 12:49 Shara Ekk 12:50 Shara No time to wreck your years, Jordach! Hurry up and have working quests! :P 12:51 Jordach Shara, i'm doing each bit in sequence 12:51 * Shara is impatient! 12:51 Jordach Shara, doors, then hydrolics 12:51 Shara You should probably take me being impatient as a positive though 12:51 Shara What's the aim with hydrolics? 12:52 Shara What I see there looks interesting, but don't see much yet 12:53 Jordach Shara, it's a power system that aims to be entirely visual 12:53 Jordach no need for silly number crunching 12:53 Jordach *cough* technic 12:53 Jordach it also only flows *down* 12:53 Shara Hmm 12:53 Jordach infinately on X,z 12:53 Jordach but only downways on Y 12:53 Shara Looking at this made me want to poke mods again :( 12:53 Shara But I have assessment questions to answer :( 12:54 Jordach Shara, the machines aren't even required 12:58 Jordach everything can be done with just a furnace and thinking 12:59 Shara But thinking hurts sometimes :) 13:00 Jordach nah 13:00 Jordach i've got a classical paper notepad 13:00 Jordach and a gel pen 13:02 * Jordach implements corrected intro spawning 13:02 Jordach no more underground random spawns 13:19 * Fixer compiles 13:25 Fixer http://0.30000000000000004.com/ 13:26 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce8uKx8WwAAMSJD.png:large 13:27 Jordach >Lua isn't wrong 13:30 Krock >go 13:30 Krock 0.29999999999999998889776975374843459576368 13:30 Krock like what 13:31 celeron55 it's an exact number in the binary representation and just gets weird when it's converted to base 10 8) 13:31 Jordach Krock, https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/ :^) 13:32 Krock yes, Tom Scott, the red shirt youtuber made a lovely video about this theme 13:33 Krock Jordach, I think commit messages are NOT supposed to be a container for youtube links! 13:33 Jordach Krock, i ballsed it when re-doing git auth 13:33 Jordach i got vimmmmmmed 13:34 Jordach (remind me to use -e when doing it as it loads the default system text editor and not vi/m) 13:34 Jordach i've got a nice old bucket list of things to do starting here; https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/issues/1 13:34 celeron55 you can configure git to use any editor you want by default 13:34 celeron55 in various ways 13:35 Jordach celeron55, git for windows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 13:35 Jordach for some reason i can git push to github without a password 13:35 celeron55 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10564/how-can-i-set-up-an-editor-to-work-with-git-on-windows 13:35 Krock just use a 1-letter password 13:36 Krock ^ /s 13:36 Jordach eh, i figured out an alternative which works just fine 13:37 Jordach it might be that windows 10 auth system is an email (which is the same as my github one) 13:38 Jordach usually i get asked for my https login details 13:38 Jordach >There are no SSH keys with access to your account. 13:38 Jordach :thinking: 14:44 Shara Seems like a busy day for MT today. 14:45 Shara Been a long time since I saw both RC and DL hit 20+ players at the same time 14:57 Fixer still trying to reproduce fps drop bug on earlier builds 14:59 Fixer and while doing bisect i'm left with some innocent commits it seems, weird 16:28 Fixer chats are quite today 16:28 VanessaE zzz 16:29 Fixer everyone is dead and trees are humming 16:30 * Shara is htinking about mods 16:30 Shara thinking* 16:30 VanessaE carefil 16:30 VanessaE careful* 16:30 VanessaE lots of flammable materials around here. too much thinking will set stuff on fire. :) 16:31 Shara I know 16:31 Shara Especially the way I make mods 16:31 Shara Mess everywhere 16:31 Fixer it is not just your mods 16:32 Fixer everything is mess 16:32 Shara But especially my mods! 16:33 VanessaE heh 16:35 Shara Thinking of messing around with grappling hooks idea for a while now. I'm guessing someone already has by this point, but kind of still want to try 16:36 Shara Climing is obviously a theme with my mods at the moment 16:36 Fixer Shara: idea for a mod: pigeon mail 16:37 Shara Hehe 16:37 Shara I think that might need someone a bit crazier than me 16:39 VanessaE pigeon mail? 16:43 Fixer VanessaE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeon_post 17:00 Krock owl post, if you're harry potter 17:00 Fixer KekPost if you are a Jordach 17:00 VanessaE Fixer: oh, you meant it literally :) 17:01 Fixer VanessaE: o_0 17:01 Sokomine VanessaE: no worry. fire's disabled on this channel :) 17:02 Sokomine Shara: hmm, yes. such a mod might exist. i think i saw one somewhere... 17:02 Sokomine Fixer: won't work. people will plug the pidgeons out of the air (birds in mt are like that), and the mail will never arrive if thee are unloaded blocks between! 17:02 Shara Sokomine: I've generally decided someone else having done a thing won't stop me when I like the idea 17:02 VanessaE Fixer: I kept trying to picture a pigeon wearing chain mail. :P 17:03 Shara I won't learn from it if I don't do it myself after all :P 17:03 Shara Sokomine: There'd probably be ways around having the bird literally fly the whole distance, but I'm still not mad enough to try :) 17:04 Sokomine VanessaE: i saw a picture somewhere with a dove with armor...seen through the crosshair of a weapon. it was a painting and looked very good 17:04 VanessaE heh 17:05 Sokomine Shara: have you seen the mobs mod with the flying creatures? air traffic can become quite tricky :-) also they sometimes fly very low and get stuck in midair in front of other blocks. easy to "catch" them in such a situation. admittedly so many birds in the air look good 17:06 Shara Image is a bit dark but... 17:06 Shara http://rc.minetest.tv/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/CRL_bat-900x567.png 17:06 Sokomine but...how about a pidgeon house? they could be like bees and more symbolic. that'd be far less problematic and might be funny 17:06 Shara I've even extended it with my own ridable ones :P 17:06 Shara But I'd think not to use actual mobs for posting letters 17:06 Sokomine yes, too dark for me. i see a (winged?) shadow but nothing more 17:07 Shara Giant bat 17:07 Sokomine aah :-) 17:07 Shara One of the rewards of digging deep enough is catching one to fly around on :) 17:08 Sokomine a Taubenschlag (pideon house) might really be nice to have. could have an animation of 2d birds sometimes flying in and out 17:08 Sokomine ah. i can imagine :-) might be impressive to have one in a caverealms world 17:09 Krock a pigeon slap :3 17:09 Krock (bad translator: on) 17:11 Fixer VanessaE: pigeon brute 17:22 Shara Hi rubenwardy 17:22 rubenwardy hi Shara 17:22 Shara Sokomine: Yes, that was kind of what I was thinking. Then just a delay in the message showing up in the house you want it sent to 17:44 Sokomine Shara: sounds like a nice idea if combined with a nice model 17:45 Shara Sokomine: Just find someone crazy enough to make it :) 17:45 Shara Hi kaeza, hi paramat 17:46 kaeza hello Shara 17:55 paramat mgv5 and mgv7 get mgvalleys-type caverns this evening 17:56 Shara The most awesome caverns :) 18:03 Jordach Shara, found a flamegrilled place that does takeout 18:03 Jordach their burgers and onion rings are of legend 18:03 Jordach we went for the random takeout with delivery this evening 18:04 * Shara sobs because hunger 18:09 * VanessaE offers Shara some string cheese 18:09 VanessaE (either that or some cherry poptarts. it's what I happen to have handy at the moment :P ) 18:09 Jordach are there any *cats* 18:09 Shara Either works :D 18:09 * Shara is not eating the cat 18:09 Jordach VanessaE, this burger joint delivered in about 25 minutes 18:10 VanessaE a burger joint that delivers?? 18:10 VanessaE man, wish we had that here. 18:10 VanessaE all we can get is pizza 18:10 Jordach proper flame grilled too 18:10 Jordach that beef was legendary 18:11 Jordach VanessaE, come to britain; we have decent fast food 18:12 Fixer kek 18:12 Fixer "decent fast food" 18:12 VanessaE I've been tempted, actually, Jordach 18:12 Jordach we're free from the tyranny of Germany again 18:12 Jordach sfan5 right now must be salty that he's stuck with merkel 18:13 Jordach bets on AfD rn 18:13 sfan5 ✔ 18:16 VanessaE Jordach: I'm not sure I'd like being yelled at from a camera/speaker on the corner though :) 18:16 Jordach VanessaE, eh if you've not got a hoodie on at least 18:17 Jordach it's not a bother for anyone 18:19 VanessaE Jordach: btw I DO like your idea with beds, to present a formspec to use to get out of bed. 18:19 VanessaE please submit a PR against homedecor :) 18:23 Jordach VanessaE, you can even chat with that text field with the enter key 18:23 VanessaE so I assumed. nice touch. 18:24 VanessaE the dialog needs dressed up though, but I like the idea. 18:24 Fixer pingwine 18:24 Jordach VanessaE, there's a button to enable an alarm clock style wake up jingle too 18:24 * Fixer keks 18:24 Sokomine what is string cheese? 18:25 rubenwardy Sokomine, :O 18:25 rubenwardy Sokomine, https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2014/11/shutterstock_219722968/lead_large.jpg 18:25 VanessaE Sokomine: mozzarella cheese, pulled into fine strings and shaped into a small stick. 18:25 Sokomine Jordach: britain and food? 18:25 * Sokomine looks a bit doubtful 18:25 rubenwardy was all the rage in secondary school 18:25 kaeza char *s = "cheese"; 18:25 VanessaE and usually rather whiter than that ^^^ picture shows 18:25 VanessaE it's quite good. 18:25 Jordach Sokomine, indian, ukrainian, turkish, kebab, burgers, chips/fries 18:26 Jordach name it, we have it for delivery 18:26 * Sokomine tyrannizes Jordach a bit by...er...don't know how 18:26 Fixer we have that "cheese" if i understand it correctly 18:26 Fixer smoked version 18:26 Jordach i forgot chinese as well, Sokomine 18:27 rubenwardy thai + viet 18:27 Jordach rubenwardy, i can't list them all 18:27 rubenwardy :D 18:28 Jordach but also a classic british pub 18:28 rubenwardy + 'spons 18:28 rubenwardy *spoons 18:28 Sokomine VanessaE: looks a bit like asparagus 18:29 VanessaE not even close :P 18:29 Sokomine Jordach: ah, fine. we mostly get pizza here, although chinese and to a smaller extend other nationalities are also present. but mostly the pizza delivering services offer diffrent menus 18:30 CWz Wow *-project is quite now 18:30 Jordach is ded nao 18:30 Shara Heh, was about to say, dead not quiet 18:30 Jordach i for one welcome our c55 and Shara overlords 18:30 Shara >.> 18:30 Shara There's probably more people who need invites here. 18:30 Jordach Shara, VanessaE https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/issues/1 18:30 Krock yes, -hub for the new -project :) 18:31 * Jordach delivered, sfan5 18:31 sfan5 nice 18:31 CWz there are lurkers there. one with them is bound to tweet soon 18:32 Shara It's nice to have lots of active people here 18:32 Shara Much better than just lots of people 18:33 * CWz place a plate full of worm-centipedes on *-project. 18:33 CWz come on dinner 18:34 VanessaE ew. 18:34 CWz the worm-centipedes are bate to capture the tweetsters 18:35 CWz tweetsters taste like chicken, i want chicken. 18:35 Fixer man 18:36 Shara I think the worms just put me off everything. 18:36 Fixer MOM/DAD/etc must be banned from chat 18:36 Fixer it is irritating 18:36 CWz MOM/DAD? 18:36 Fixer every time i see this I slowly become a hitler 18:36 Jordach Fixer, lemme fix that for you 18:36 Shara Kiddy roleplay? 18:36 Fixer execute those moms/dads on the spot 18:36 Jordach Fixer, i can write a chat hander for that 18:36 Fixer Shara: no, annoying kids 18:36 Jordach as part of Solar Plains 18:36 Shara Fixer: /revoke shout is a beautiful command. 18:37 VanessaE "family roleplay" like that is strictly forbidden on my servers 18:37 VanessaE (because it irritates other users) 18:37 * Jordach considers solving the spawn problem with granting noclip and fly for 20 seconds on random spawn 18:37 Shara VanessaE: Mine too. I can't stand it. 18:37 CWz sounds like you need pump-inaction-ghotsun 18:37 Fixer family roleplay is damn annoying, get yourself a f-ing doll or smth 18:37 shivajiva it doesn't happen on mine either, it's just too weird 18:38 VanessaE Fixer: exactly. 18:38 Fixer so much this spam in chat 18:38 * Fixer is triggered 18:38 Shara I just revoke shout or ban 18:38 CWz a firearm 18:38 Jordach building towns and RP as a merchant, adventurer and miner: fine 18:38 Jordach family RP: thor's banhammer 18:38 kaeza Fixer, i can write a chat hander for that 18:38 VanessaE Fixer: fuck you and your triggers ;) 18:38 Shara :D 18:38 VanessaE OH that burns me up. TRIGGERED! :P 18:38 kaeza GL;HF, see any other wordfilter in existence 18:38 Fixer i want mom 18:38 Jordach kaeza, instead of sending and revoking - just removes the message 18:38 Fixer i want dad 18:38 Fixer i want sister 18:39 Fixer i want slave 18:39 Fixer work for gold 18:39 VanessaE heh 18:39 Shara LOL! Fixer, don't make me take voice off you :P 18:39 CWz I want a pension! 18:39 Jordach VanessaE, see my description of finer areas 18:39 shivajiva I want to be a mod 18:39 shivajiva I want admin 18:39 CWz What is keyword? 18:39 kaeza help 18:39 * Fixer runs with protector logos like an idiot 18:39 Shara Okay, shivajiva's winning in the "how to get de-voiced" stakes now :P 18:39 Jordach [F] 18:40 Jordach currently writing up the Beta Milestone 18:40 shivajiva trigger word is 'want' 18:40 Shara Auto kick on 'want', maybe? 18:40 CWz hmmm 18:40 Shara Or maybe 'give me'? 18:40 sfan5 Jordach: tell me when its stable enough to include in my builds 18:40 Jordach sfan5, see Issue #1 18:40 Jordach requires a few things at the moment 18:41 Fixer lol 18:41 Fixer or some way to hide those messages 18:41 shivajiva subtle 18:41 Jordach Fixer, or ignore clients all together 18:41 Shara The other one is: "waaah, imma baby help mee!" 18:41 Fixer need free wood 18:42 Shara pls craft torch 4 mi 18:42 Shara and so on 18:42 Fixer (huge forest around) 18:42 Fixer octacian detected 18:42 Shara Give him a poke and get him in here? 18:43 Fixer btw, can CSM be used to filter the chat? 18:43 Jordach YES 18:43 Jordach oops 18:43 VanessaE Fixer: yes. chat6 mod. 18:43 Fixer or make it better in some way? 18:43 VanessaE https://github.com/cheapie/chat6 18:43 Fixer to just ban that mom/dad/whatever 18:43 Fixer forever 18:43 Fixer and make chat clean once again 18:43 Fixer as in 2011 18:43 VanessaE hah 18:43 VanessaE good luck with that. 18:44 Fixer VanessaE: nice, will check 18:44 CWz where is this family "RP" happening? 18:44 VanessaE CWz: everywhere :( 18:44 VanessaE (at least everywhere that an admin isn't stopping it) 18:44 Fixer NO README 18:44 Shara CWz, RC had an infection of it in the past, until I started banning lots of people. 18:44 VanessaE Fixer: chat6 makes in-game chat look like hexchat 18:44 Jordach BAN ANDROID CLIENTS 18:44 Fixer :trollface: 18:44 red-001 ban 0.0.0.0/0 18:44 VanessaE colorization, similar join/part messages, etc. 18:45 Fixer Jordach: i suggested an option for that but there is opposition to that 18:45 CWz damn the one on redkitten is getting disgusting inappropriate 18:45 red-001 you will get rid of all hackers 18:45 Jordach by thor's beard 18:45 Sokomine oh. does that family roleplay actually occour? i tought the poster took something too serious... 18:45 Jordach grab the banhammers 18:45 red-001 Sokomine, sadly yes 18:46 Shara Sokomine: Unless you actively moderate for it, you get drowned in it 18:46 Fixer yes 18:47 * Sokomine hands Fixer one gold ingot and sends him off to chop down some stacks of wood :-) 18:47 Fixer Sokomine: i already have chest full of wood after testing that half-automated apple tree farm 18:47 Fixer i'm still at my "house" on hometown trying to catch that fps drop bug 18:48 Sokomine auto kick is stupid. "i want to build a house here" - criminal offense? :-) (well, maybe on a pvp server...but even those tend to tolerate building :-)) 18:48 Shara Sokomine: Auto=kick was a joke. I'd never actually do it. 18:48 Shara -* 18:49 Shara (though the temptation sometimes...) 18:49 Fixer does someone made tracers for minetest already? 18:49 red-001 run a spellchecker on all chat and kick for typos 18:49 Shara red-001: I'd only last ten seconds :D 18:49 Fixer a cheat that indicates players location by line 18:50 red-001 lol 18:50 Sokomine Shara: problem is: others might still believe that a technical solution is a solution there...where all that can help is human moderators 18:50 Fixer there are moderators, they are not always on server though 18:50 Shara Sokomine: The long term difficulty in maintaining a server, when it comes to these issues, is finding moderators who will do what you need and stcik around 18:50 kaeza I tried to report an obscene sign to the admin of hometown the other day and got auto-kicked for that 18:51 kaeza (via PM) 18:51 Sokomine oh yes. a server is constant work in that regard. can't really help that 18:51 red-001 the best technical solution is to make it easy for players to ignore chat form players of thier chossing 18:51 Fixer kaeza: thats because antiswear mod also filters PMs... 18:51 Shara I grant ban/kick privs to pretty much every mature player on my server that was around for long enough... there can still be no one there. 18:51 Sokomine kaeza: yes, that's the fun of those...bright....scripts 18:52 kaeza interestingly it seemed to also ban "f*ck" (literally) 18:53 red-001 so much form self cersorship 18:53 red-001 for* 18:54 Shara I won't use any kind of auto kick or filters on my servers 18:54 Shara Hello WhoAreYou :) 18:55 WhoAreYou Hello all. :) 18:55 red-001 hi? 18:55 kaeza wordfilters simply don't work. it may be nice to flag messages for review or something, but there must always be a human behind the kick/ban 18:55 Sokomine hi :-) nice to see you 18:55 VanessaE hey, Who. 18:55 kaeza greetings, WhoAreYou 18:55 * Sokomine nods to kaeza and hopes that all server owners will be aware of that 18:55 Shara whoareyou = chief admin/babysitter of one of my servers. 18:55 red-001 oh 18:56 kaeza babysitter, heh 18:56 WhoAreYou Any discussions about server administrating at the moment? 18:56 Sokomine isn't whoareyou the creator of all those subway stations? 18:56 WhoAreYou Sokomine, definetely. :) 18:57 Sokomine ah. good. so you connect all servers :-) please add a tunnel here as well 18:57 * Sokomine hands WhoAreYou a shovel 18:57 Shara :) 18:57 WhoAreYou A shovel? 18:57 Shara We officially lost count of the tunnels and stations he made on Red Cat 18:58 Sokomine some letters can be heavy 18:58 Sokomine *g* 18:58 WhoAreYou Why not a pickaxe or in ideal situation WorldEdit? :) 19:00 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/E7D54PW.png 19:02 Sokomine too powerful 19:04 WhoAreYou There too much kids on RedCat who prefer RP to creative-building nowadays. Can someone suggest a nice cure for this disease, or atleast, a soothing medicine for poor WhoAreYou to take it easy? :) 19:04 Jordach it's called building a proper game 19:04 Jordach the less boredom and freeform the better 19:04 Jordach but still allow for freeform gameplay 19:05 Sokomine that has been a topic already, WhoAreYou. i was surprised that this kind of roleplay actually happens in significant amounts 19:06 Sokomine small children always tend to get bored, or ask for tasks to perform, or play hide and seek, ... 19:06 Shara Well, hide and seek is difficult, when names show 19:07 kaeza names can be hidden IIRC 19:07 WhoAreYou I'm not a Minecraft player. But did RP came from it or it was formed inside Minetest already? 19:07 kaeza but... old clients :/ 19:07 Shara kaeza: Yes, from .14 onwards only, I think 19:10 * Jordach on re-writing doors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fts7bj-so 19:11 Jordach i don't give a single damn about existing methods in MTH 19:11 Jordach MT_G* 19:17 Fixer there is anticurse mod, just add keywords to it 19:17 WhoAreYou And another guestion to server admins. There is a silly form of roleplaying with "princesses, kings, quennes and e.t.c". Is it popular on every server nowadays or only on RedCat? 19:18 Shara I'm actually not sure if I saw that elsewhere. 19:19 TommyTreasure ohhhhhhhyyyyyawwwwwn, must have been super tired. slept for almost 14 hours 19:20 tenplus1 hi folks 19:20 Amaz Hello ten :) 19:20 tenplus1 hi amaz 19:20 WhoAreYou Hey tenplus1. :) 19:20 tenplus1 hi Who :) 19:20 tenplus1 how's all ? 19:20 WhoAreYou Fine. You? :) 19:21 tenplus1 long day, glad to be home :))) *sips coffee* 19:21 TommyTreasure coffee.... i'll be right there! 19:21 tenplus1 ehehe, hi tommy 19:21 TommyTreasure g'day everyone 19:23 Shara Hi tenplus1 19:23 tenplus1 hi Shara :) 19:23 VanessaE greetings, Tommy. 19:23 tenplus1 hi Vanessa 19:23 VanessaE hey ten 19:23 tenplus1 w00t! they fixed def.groups in doors mod :D 19:25 tenplus1 burli's new pathfinder looks quite good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szgNmzNob70&feature=youtu.be 19:27 TommyTreasure has anyone ever calculated or estimated the bandwidth, or network traffic used by minetest client playing on the averager server? 19:28 tenplus1 nope 19:28 Shara Hi there TommyTreasure 19:28 TommyTreasure g'day Shara 19:28 Shara TommyTreasure: I guess that could vary quite a bit by server 19:28 tenplus1 would be interesting to see though 19:28 TommyTreasure i know its got to be a lot lower than netflix. lol 19:31 Shara we can hope :P 19:31 kaeza greetings, tenplus1 19:32 WhoAreYou Tenplus1, do you have a players that perform an RP with "princesses, kings, quennes and e.t.c" on Xanadu. Or it's only misteriously popular on RedCat? 19:32 tenplus1 hi kaeza 19:33 tenplus1 what's an RP ? 19:33 kaeza Request Pull 19:33 Shara kaeza :P 19:33 WhoAreYou 11, role playing. :D 19:33 tenplus1 no-one has really asked that on server... one player did want to form his own police force at one time though :P 19:34 WhoAreYou Tenplus1, lucky you! :) 19:34 tenplus1 ehehe, they use to role play on Xanadu mk2... pretending to be families etc... so many mom and dad's.... 19:35 WhoAreYou Yeah, that's bad too... :) 19:38 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/3bca0c2b-wstrich-learns-to-fly-thanks-to-vr.gif 19:39 * Jordach ports my own doors model to tenplus' doors 19:39 VanessaE I'm still waiting for you to port your beds code to Homedecor :) 19:39 tenplus1 heh... you like the key tool on redo Jordach ? 19:39 Jordach no 19:39 Jordach getting it's ass removed 19:40 Jordach you want protection -> areas 19:40 tenplus1 nooooooo , whyyyyyyy ? 19:44 tenplus1 Jordach: why port your doors to my mod if you're not using the key tool... that's the only difference to default doors :P 19:47 Sokomine hmm. can't we give them mom and dads as npc? they could say "clean up your room" and the like *veg* 19:48 tenplus1 ahaha yeah, that would be so funny :D 19:49 Shara mwahaha... not allowed to go and play until they eat their veggiess and do the dishes :D 19:50 TommyTreasure ummm, Sokomine. that's not usually what they mean with "i need a daddy" 19:52 tenplus1 typically players need parent figures in game to give them stuff and go on quests/mine with them :D 19:53 Calinou the more you know 19:53 Calinou https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Protip_meme 19:53 Calinou apparently, "protip" comes from Doom 19:53 TommyTreasure search "i need a daddy" on just about any search engine. 19:55 TommyTreasure if it was up to me, that phrase would be an instant kick 19:55 tenplus1 lolol 19:59 Sokomine Shara: certainly :) 20:07 * Shara is playing with prototype grappling hook 20:08 tenplus1 ooh nice 20:08 * Amaz has been working on this recently: http://imgur.com/a/XxLbA 20:08 tenplus1 if mt engine had player:set_velocity() then we could swing around like spiderman 20:08 Shara Yea... this is very basic 20:08 Shara but still fun 20:08 Amaz set_velocity for players would be soooooooooooooooooo great 20:08 Shara I've set range fairly low, so you can't just go anywhere with it 20:09 tenplus1 we can already do it with entities and server/client handles it well... I dont see why players are left out 20:09 Shara Kind of jumping off things and hoping something will be in range before I splat :P 20:10 Shara Am I right that it's moveto(pos) where you can actually see player movement? 20:10 Shara Or is that something I was dreaming 20:11 tenplus1 yes, moveto you see the progression of the teleport and setpos is instant 20:11 Shara I picked the right one then :P 20:11 Shara Just hard to watch and see in singleplayer 20:12 tenplus1 an older teleport mod used moveto and all you coudl see was players zipping around the map at full speed, was so funny to watch 20:12 Shara I guess no way to actually slow the movement speed while using it? 20:12 tenplus1 teleport in small progressions prolly 20:13 Shara Hmm, sounds messy 20:13 tenplus1 yeah, but would prolly work 20:14 tenplus1 the player entity needs more control over it since it's the MAIN character on server for each player... 20:16 Shara hmm, might bug you for help when I get a bit further 20:17 tenplus1 ? 20:18 Shara well, you said it would probably work :P 20:21 tenplus1 :P 20:26 celeron55 to have player:set_velocity, some kind of a mode has to be added to the client where the client gives up control and doesn't try to just stop the player still at the first chance it gets 20:28 celeron55 (i.e. it's not that simple; not impossible though) 20:28 tenplus1 how about player:set_velocity(vel, seconds) <-- seconds to relinquish control 20:30 celeron55 maybe more like player:set_control_mode("normal"/"entity") or something 20:31 celeron55 needs some figuring out for sure 20:31 Shara Grappling hook with range 6 feels surprisingly well balanced 20:32 Shara To move up, you need to be able to target higher than where you aim to land, so the distance isn't crazy 20:35 tenplus1 hrm, will be worth trying :D 20:39 Jordach celeron55, dunno, player physics in BFD removed air manuverability almost entirely 20:40 celeron55 setting that kind of physics might actually do the trick already 20:41 celeron55 ...if there was the velocity setter 8) 20:41 tenplus1 unless we cheat somehow by attacking a player to a tiny entity and using physics on that 20:41 tenplus1 *attaching 20:41 celeron55 that'd be easy 20:42 tenplus1 that way knockback, hook control etc would be easier 20:42 * tenplus1 has parachute already on Xanadu doing just htat 20:43 celeron55 is there any downside to doing that? it's basically the same thing as switching off player control 20:43 tenplus1 knockback only lasts a second or so, so after being flung across the land you gain control once it's over 20:44 tenplus1 and parachute keeps going until land is hit, then disappears and player control back 20:44 Jordach what sort of parachute 20:45 Jordach paratrooper or modern parawing 20:45 tenplus1 it's a tool item, while falling you use to open, then you float down until hit ground... you get 4 uses then it breaks :D is fun tho 20:45 tenplus1 might add controls to float in directions tho so player can aim 20:45 tenplus1 was really to save ppl from building and falling to their doon 20:45 tenplus1 *doom 20:46 tenplus1 k, I sleep now :) nite all 21:39 paramat new sneak works differently and so does new sneak ladder and any 2-node jump we might code. sneak behaviour identical to before is very unlikely, however, worlds have been built that depend on the specific previous behaviour. so it seems a certain solution i proposed is needed 21:41 sfan5 why are we bound by endless backwards compat here 21:46 TommyTreasure paramat, sfan5, not intended to be criticism. some server admins have spent countless hours designing their worlds with the past use of the sneak glitch. personally, i have spent all of february working on a 'test/puzzle' spawn routine to determine custom 'hometead' areas for qualifying players. this change has made it very difficult to rework my previous setup. 21:46 TommyTreasure however, i do wholeheartedly agree on removing the shift to stop fall damage 21:48 TommyTreasure case in point. a newplayer enters the game, falls into a generated and exposed dungeon. can't get out. stuck for life. 21:49 sfan5 that's one of the worse reasons for adding a double jump glitch 21:49 TommyTreasure could be, but just one reason 21:50 Fixer TommyTreasure: /spawn 21:51 TommyTreasure Fixer, i agree, but some admins limit privs on new players too. again, not complaining, but it does put quite a bit of extra work on admins to make sure privs are properly set for new players 21:52 TommyTreasure i do agree that the game is in need of eliminating some of the issues, but also hope that a config option will help with some of it 21:53 TommyTreasure also, please realize that i probably the only 'non-coding' admin on channel 21:53 TommyTreasure i can only give my opinions as a server admin 21:55 TommyTreasure eliminating - resolving 22:00 TommyTreasure and, for the record. my server is running the latest official .15-dev. 22:03 TommyTreasure 0.4.15-dev-cc1ff26 to be more precise 22:10 Shara There are a lot of things in many worlds that break depending on how much of the old sneak behaviour is lost 22:10 paramat my proposal was to add a setting to switch between old move code and new, while continuing to work on and improve new move code. however i'm not insisting we do this and it may be unpopular with devs. personally i'm not too bothered, but then i never used sneak 22:11 Jordach paramat, there's a fine line between seeing it through a players eyes and a developers eyes 22:11 Jordach i happen to see both sides of the argument 22:11 Shara paramat: Persoanlly I'd love that, though I understand some of the devs probably won't agree to it 22:12 paramat sorry sfan i know you don't like this proposal :] 22:12 Shara I can honestly see people making a patch to just re-add old behaviour if there is no official way to do it, but that gets even more messy and awkward 22:13 * Sokomine nods to shara 22:13 Shara The thing that really bothers me as well, is that this is all the client, but it's really server owners that should be deciding how they want it on their server 22:14 Jordach adoorable 22:14 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/9Y6aOgN.png 22:15 TommyTreasure Shara, i think that was the point i was failing to make 22:16 shivajiva I'm torn between the fact sneaking out of drop on die needed fixing and what it breaks in my server with the parkour elements, finding myself reading the discussion again on github looking for a sensible perspective 22:16 TommyTreasure and, may i add that not all server owners understood this, and caused me to make some very bad decisions in the past 2 weeks 22:16 paramat so my proposal would essentially be: choose old behaviour along with all the associated bugs, or choose new behaviour where we provide non-identical optional replacements for sneak ladder (and maybe also sneak jump if possible) 22:16 Sokomine shivajiva: *does* it need fixing? 22:17 Jordach paramat, there is no solution to this problem 22:17 Shara I'd love to get the fall damage bug fixed, I really would, but it's just not worth any of the other issues to me 22:17 Jordach the only way to really deal with it is to do it when 0.5 gets released 22:17 paramat yes all corresponding settings should be server-side 22:17 Jordach we expect 0.x changes to break entirely 22:18 Jordach but not 0.4.x ones 22:18 Shara Jordach: Even then, not great to break so many things 22:18 Jordach Shara, given that 0.5 is eta +inf away 22:18 Jordach we have time to do a proper conversation about it 22:18 Shara Is it really? 22:18 Jordach not just feelings and cherry picked servers 22:19 Jordach i'd rather weigh both sides 22:19 Shara I'm a bit worried all the view points were expressed by now, and those one one side of the other are mostly set in their opinions. 22:19 Shara on one* 22:19 Jordach and then consider both pros and cons 22:19 Shara or* 22:19 Jordach any cons and pros that match another are canceled out 22:19 Jordach giving us a list of things that are: before and after 22:20 Shara Yes, but people don't even agree on the pros and cons. 22:20 paramat Jordach the old code could be dropped far in the future but i'm considering now 22:20 Jordach paramat, save it for a later date 22:20 rubenwardy Jordach: the next release will be 0.5 22:20 Shara This is actually game breaking enough to me that I won't update my client (and if it goes server side, my servers) again 22:20 Jordach rubenwardy, don't pull my heart 22:20 rubenwardy we have client side scripting 22:20 rubenwardy and most core devs agree 22:21 Shara Even if it means I simply run outdated servers until such a time as no players come to them 22:21 rubenwardy Just as how 0.4 was released for server side 22:21 rubenwardy 0.5 will be for client side 22:21 paramat Jordach you're not making much sense :] 22:21 Jordach paramat, consider both arguments 22:21 paramat yes 0.5 is very soon 22:21 shivajiva I'd like to hear a perspective of why it doesn't Sokomine for balance 22:21 nerzhul paramat, when ? 22:21 Jordach 0.6 eta +inf+inf 22:22 Jordach i'd consider 0.6 to be a CAO/SAO focused upgrade 22:22 nerzhul each time i asked for a release i have no response and there is no issue on github about this :) 22:22 Jordach per player velocity 22:22 Sokomine paramat: good to hear that 0.5 is on the horizon. the game has come a long way and deserves a higher number now and then 22:22 Shara Got to agree with Sokomine there :) 22:22 paramat nerzhul next release is around june 22:23 nerzhul paramat, and it will be 0.5 ? last time we discussed it was 0.4.16 last 0.4.X release with CSM disabled ? 22:23 nerzhul maybe version changes due to CSM more advanced as we wanted , no ? 22:23 paramat seeing CSM, new default mapgen, i think we can go 0.5 in next or release after 22:24 nerzhul okay then 22:24 paramat maybe after 0.4.16 22:24 nerzhul i need to rewrok the chat protocol for this release to have a proper protocol adapted to CSM 22:24 Sokomine shivajiva: i think that the sneak glitch(es) are unexpected for new players and ought to be considered a bug as such. yet they existed for a long time and have been part of the game; a lot has been built around. changing the behaviour does provide considerable problems. so, what do we gain with fixing this bug? it gets more realistic. in that world where we carry tons of materials in our pockets 22:24 nerzhul i'm okay for 0.5 version for june paramat , see you soon, i shouldo go 22:25 paramat it seems CSm will still be very young in june so 0.5 for after 0.4.16? 22:25 Jordach paramat, nah 22:25 Jordach 0.4.17 - a years end 22:25 nerzhul paramat, young but it seems many users are working on it, and atm it's more advanced than i hoped :) 22:26 nerzhul the core part is stable, API are added , we need a mod store for end users (rubenwardy ?) 22:26 Sokomine and that's not all. very few servers actually focus on the survival aspect. some - not all! - have mobs. some are even creative (=unlimited materials). some have hunger, some not. some even allow pvp. and while on most servers dying from falling down is something that can happen, not terribly much is lost if a player survives and just continues his work 22:26 Jordach nerzhul, consider the following 22:26 nerzhul i consider my bed :) 22:26 Jordach most of MT's multiplayer traffic are mobile clients 22:26 Shara Sokomine pretty much just summed up my exact thoughts. 22:27 Jordach who have no interest in playing singleplayer 22:27 paramat lol 22:27 nerzhul Jordach, i know, but CSM is here, and mobile users never read version, they just want game work 22:27 Sokomine mod store also sounds good. or promote at least krocks mod search. that's very useful 22:27 Shara Also, I never had a player or server owner tell me they'll leave the game if it doesn't get 'fixed'. I've had a few telling me they will over the fix (one who actually did leave so far) 22:28 Jordach nerzhul, my point is: they want MP, we want a game engine to give them MP 22:28 nerzhul Jordach, i don't see why a version number can change this 22:28 paramat anyway, i can't see any big problem in providing old code / new code choice for the mid-term future, and i feel we should seriously consider it before next release 22:28 Jordach nerzhul, it's not the version number: it's the content 22:28 Sokomine i started a project to sort all mods once in the past and to group them according to what they contain. it was too much and i eventually gave up 22:28 nerzhul Jordach, if you talk about sneak i don't talk about this 22:28 Jordach it's not sneak 22:28 Jordach it's the whole shebang 22:29 nerzhul Jordach, please discuss with me about this tomorrow, i'm tired and i need to go to bed, see you :) 22:29 Jordach MT is the *first* game engine to not need installing the whole media on every players device 22:29 Jordach it is requested and then cached and freed up when no longer needed 22:29 nerzhul this is wrong, world of warcraft uses streaming content 22:29 Jordach nerzhul, well, WoW is a different case 22:29 Jordach it's a monolithic game 22:30 Jordach not one that is endlessly re-configurable 22:30 nerzhul and you are wrong, because the mod community on WoW is very very advanced, without any mod server side heh :) 22:30 nerzhul see you alter 22:30 nerzhul later* 22:30 red-001 minetest is definatly not the first game to auto-download assets 22:30 Jordach gmod is close, but doesn't have real time worldediting ;) 22:30 Sokomine paramat: your solution sounds very good, at least for me. give the player the choice which version he/she wants 22:30 red-001 all source engine games do it 22:30 Jordach red-001, still not a realtime map editor 22:31 Shara paramat: would be my favoured solution as well. 22:31 Jordach tesseract is a FPS with that, but has the problem of being a FPS 22:31 Jordach MT is neither 22:32 red-001 ? 22:32 * red-001 re-reads log 22:32 Jordach red-001, every game that has a mobile port is dumbed down with IAPs or incompatible with the main game 22:32 kaeza lel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17153#p261557 22:33 Jordach MT has the option of being both a game engine that works across both platforms of a PC/lappy or phone/tablet 22:33 shivajiva paramat: It's messy for dev but I agree with you 22:34 * Shara hides away again for a while 22:34 paramat the advantage of my proposal is that the pressure is off new code to have identical replacements, this frees it up to improve new basic sneak behaviour without the constraints of providing identical replacements 22:35 paramat it's just a bit messy codewise 22:36 red-001 minetest isn't really lacking in messy code 22:36 shivajiva it's a good compromise given so much has been built on it 22:38 rubenwardy lol 22:38 shivajiva hopefully it will mature enough to translate and move on 22:38 rubenwardy I've been working on the clientlauncher/game/input code today 22:38 rubenwardy god wow 22:39 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5506 22:40 red-001 I know that some people see it as a bug but a lot of players that know about it see it as an undocumented feature instead 22:41 shivajiva shouldn't ultimately stop progress though or we get weighted down in legacy 22:44 paramat it will not stop progress, it would be a legacy option default disabled 22:44 paramat and probably not forever 22:45 paramat it just buys time while we slowly improve new move code 22:45 paramat while keeping players happy 22:45 shivajiva perfectly acceptable 22:46 shivajiva I wish sfan5 would have stayed to broaden the perspective 22:46 paramat i'll open an issue for the idea sometime 22:48 shivajiva :) 22:53 shivajiva xbox controller support, nice 23:17 rubenwardy "This server has experienced an internal error. You will now be disconnected" 23:29 Jordach fack 23:31 Jordach uploading fix and pushed to HEAD 23:31 Jordach rubenwardy, see https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains/issues/1 23:32 Jordach check milestones as well 23:33 Jordach server reloaded 23:35 Jordach i did make a pleb bug 23:35 Jordach during the conversion to minetest.after recursion 23:35 Jordach hud has a hp restore issue 23:36 Jordach also; blob:http://imgur.com/1da7b0d0-b68f-4da9-809d-c54e140070b0 23:36 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/19BQPhU.png 23:36 Jordach REEEE 23:36 Jordach rubenwardy, ^