Time |
Nick |
Message |
00:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> copper |
00:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> yeah, stripping down through this mtg stuff, im pretty sure none of it has any value |
00:23 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> not worth the effort of doing anything with, at best you will be left with a few sentences per item |
00:24 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> so anyone have any objection of taking option 1, nuking the mientest_game repo |
02:42 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> I'd nuke it and validate whatever basic backup we have for historical purposes. Heck, we can just send every page to archive.org and be done with it in my book |
03:58 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i allowed dependabot to bypass branch rule so making prs would actually work |
05:00 |
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13:43 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> indeed |
14:31 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> If no one screams, say in 3 hours I'll just nuke that repo |
15:06 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> do it ‼️ |
17:47 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> gone |
18:54 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> We should manually update the links anyway, a lot of them point to wik.luanti.org/Page instead of just /page, right? Slashes at the end are kind of industry standard, may be unforeseen consequences of changing |
18:56 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> this was about the MTG content |
18:56 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> for the new docs pages we should obviously update the links to the new format |
19:36 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> would today work? |
19:44 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> merging https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/162 in 5 |
19:51 |
MTDiscord |
<celeron55> Done |
19:51 |
MTDiscord |
<celeron55> Now we can wait for the screaming to begin |
19:52 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> exports are here btw: https://github.com/rollerozxa/mt-wiki-dumping-ground/blob/master/raw-exports/Luanti%2BWiki-20241220214815.xml, we gave up o nthe mtg site because by the time you strip the crafting reciepes there isnt anything of value. also making the wiki text output good is rather intensive actually |
19:55 |
MTDiscord |
<celeron55> I appreciate the executive summaries |
20:10 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> merging https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/163 in 5 |
20:10 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> fix one issue, open another in the process |
20:11 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221 |
20:18 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> truly a momentous occasion to see the old wiki finally being buried |
20:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> two more things on the roadmap till i can nuke greenxeniths contribution |
20:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> well s/nuke/revert |
20:25 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> for 1/2 of those things, thinking of shoving all the server related stuff under /server, thoughts? |
20:28 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> fyi, i added a third issue to the short term: https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/issues/165 |
20:32 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> roller: should database backends be under such a thing? |
20:32 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> hmm |
20:32 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> sounds fair enough |
20:32 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i can see reasons why it shouldnt, but also only server admins are going to care probably? |
20:32 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah probably |
20:32 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I guess backup solutions can also be put under that directory |
20:34 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> even though singleplayer players might end up reading the pages they would be doing so because they've put on the server maintainer hat and gone under the hood, most likely. so sounds good putting it under the directory |
20:34 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> in the same vein I'll put all compilation guides we have here under a /compiling directory |
20:35 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> merging in https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/166 in 5 |
20:36 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> could you move back the compiling headless server page |
20:37 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> (I feel putting all of the compilation guides under its own directory sounds better. especially if we're gonna be starting to link them from the engine repo |
20:38 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> done |
20:39 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> thx |
20:39 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i assume your otherwise happy with that pr? |
20:39 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah looks good |
20:40 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> glances over at #luanti-irc maybe we need a terminology page |
20:40 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> then again, modifying that saying about americans users will always use anything but the actual term |
20:42 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> lel, there is old dev.minetest.net urls still in this content |
20:47 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> added some numbers to https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/issues/165 |
20:49 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/167 |
20:49 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> merging in 5m unless there are objections |
20:49 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> lgtm, ship it |
20:56 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> 16 files to stick in categories |
20:57 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> interesting, itemstring isnt on https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/issues/47, i was thinking of jamming the itemstring file in /docs |
20:58 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> We have a /docs folder? How is that different from the root of the site? |
20:59 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I had put the imported contents from minetest_docs there a while ago |
20:59 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ...in the context of /contents.... |
21:00 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> now it maybe should be called /api since it's for the lua api |
21:00 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> I'm not at my pc right now. What files are in contents/docs? Why not just put them in contents or something more specific? The whole site is docs, so a subfolder named docs is confusing |
21:00 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Yeah if it's for API name it /api |
21:00 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> this ^ is why |
21:00 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ||mobile reading is hard|| |
21:02 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> have to add an alias to every page i suppose |
21:02 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> 🤷 go for it, just means we will get slightly more hate about having duplicate lua api content, but who cares |
21:02 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> I wouldn't go alias-crazy. Site is new, links will break, don't want to keep old URLs aliased if we do want to change them |
21:03 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://tenor.com/view/facedesk-gif-5907213 |
21:03 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Why would we? The hate is just as deserved as "there is a docs subfolder on the docs site but it's just dupe API docs" |
21:03 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah I think we could shed some aliases actually. only ones we really need are ones going from wiki.minetest.net and dev.minetest.net |
21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Note also that we have aliases for casing that we don't need. URLs are not case-sensitive for us, so aliasing /light to /Light does nothing |
21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> since when did github pages become case insensitive? |
21:04 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> its in the context of the old wiki having lua api related docs that where ancient, and some poeple dont want to see the same happen again. you mised the point |
21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> this is false |
21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Easy to test |
21:05 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://docs.luanti.org/compiling/Linux-server/ does not go to https://docs.luanti.org/compiling/linux-server/ automatically, thus your point is moot |
21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Thanks for testing, sorry for being wrong |
21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> do you have examples? |
21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> most of the ones from the voxelmanip wiki, which redirects to their proper new URLs |
21:07 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> (I can go through those myself sometime) |
21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> We should keep aliases that are in use. But I'm OK with breaking any bookmarks to dev.luanti.org/docs/abc, as dev is old and docs is a bad name. Asking those (few) folks to manually update to docs.luanti.org/api/abc seems very reasonable to me and saves us from vestigial aliases that will become a minor headache sometime in the future for reasons unknown |
21:08 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah. when we're this early on we can afford to break some new permalinks too. we have "URLs may change quickly without notice." after all in the banner |
21:09 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Signing off to cook lunch |
21:09 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> eh, just break the /doc ones, if anyone screams we can add them in |
21:10 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I'll do the rename rq |
21:11 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> personally i think there is a chance they might be right. the minetest_docs project kinda died for various factors such as the terrible format, etc, but i havent really seen people in line to work on it even in the new project/format |
21:11 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ||green says he will eventually do it, or did, but that might be in 2069|| |
21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> to be fair, we do have stuff relating to that in the roadmap, under the longerterm part |
21:12 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/168 |
21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> merging in 5m... |
21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ship it |
21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> roller, want to handle updating the main page since wiki.* is merged in now? |
21:13 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> oh, sure |
21:15 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> thoughts on other folders? maybe content-dev or something? could jam licensing, texture packs, dev tools? |
21:16 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> in writing that im kinda on the fence about the suggested folder name |
21:17 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> roller: remote media under server? they are going to be the only people that use it tbh |
21:19 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> remote media under server sounds good |
21:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> roller: maybe you should move https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/blob/master/content/improving-build-times.md to your compiling folder? |
21:22 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> good idea, I'll do that |
21:23 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> if no one has objections, ill do this in a bit, afk a few |
21:23 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i found some more things |
21:28 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I'm sure the name & idea of that directory could grow on us 😄 |
21:32 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yolo |
21:33 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> okay I updated the redirects over on the voxelmanip wiki site and trimmed what should be all aliases that are from there |
21:40 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> interesting, i figured it has been just under a month since this started. its been almost two months now 🤔 |
21:43 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> 4 years and a month if you count from the start of minetest_docs |
21:43 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://tenor.com/view/tom-hanks-sully-serious-gif-14124418 |
22:02 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I also made a new post on the old wiki account request thread announcing the wiki's shutdown |
22:03 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> maybe we should do some more announcements around the community to let people know about it now |
22:03 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> Hmm, I think we're kinda rushing through this organization phase. I won't stop you but I think taking time to create a full nested list of pages would make a better proposal in the long run. Small changes are usually good but this is a big-picture update and I worry we're not taking the time to structure things right, and that'll hurt us in the long run |
22:04 |
MTDiscord |
<mark.wiemer> But yes, definitely we should make a forum announcement and/or Discord/IRC announcement asap |
22:09 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i was planning 1.0 announcement, short term stuff done |
22:09 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> but not there for that yet |
23:06 |
MTDiscord |
<celeron55> My thoughts about that are: I don't mind having a period of chaos with the docs, but eventually they should stabilize enough to warrant a forum post and why not a blog post too, and it's probably difficult to push that "eventually" very much into the future without having to make up excuses |
23:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> my idea was that https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/issues/113 short term section gets done, with whats remaining. basically * fix links (mark says he will do this) * mtg content removal (honestly could kick this to medium term) * categorization of stuff (simple) * remove beta banner at the top of the site |
23:23 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> merging https://github.com/luanti-org/dev.luanti.org/pull/169 in 5 |
23:28 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ok, so does anyone object to me moving mtg content removal over to medium term? |
23:29 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> if mark is able to do his links issue soon ™️ we probably could make an announcement eod tommorrow/eod monday |