Time Nick Message 02:47 erle if anyone can help me debugging this i would appreciate it https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13920#issuecomment-1776408046 14:23 erle for future reference: i am working on issue #13920, i have a friend who already helped me with debugging last night. i am taking no ones time away from this and zughy has closed it on flimsy grounds and tagged this very obvious rendering bug WONTFIX. please reopen. 14:23 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13920 -- Massive rendering errors with nodeboxes in inventory (closed erroneously, this bug still exists) 14:27 [MTMatrix] And yet you kept retagging me after I said "unsubscribing" twice. Very polite I must say 14:28 erle a) tone argument b) i thought unsubscribe only means you don't automatically get notified and i wanted to notify you. if “unsubscribe” means “don't talk to me” then i know it now. 14:31 [MTMatrix] well, you got an answer from a core dev. And yes, tone argument because it's mentally exhausting to have to deal with you and you don't even realise that 14:32 erle no one forces you to close my stuff 14:32 erle in any case, i guess that is settled 14:32 erle rubenwardy would you be willing to replay an apitrace recording i made on your hardware to see if that bug is happening there too? 14:33 [MTMatrix] I do my "job", it's not something against you 14:33 erle that's what all buerocrats say 14:34 [MTMatrix] I would have closed it even if it had been opened by someone else 14:34 erle yes probably, but why do you think it takes away resources if i am doing work on it and no one else is? 14:35 erle i mean it is not like anyone else even has a motivation 14:42 [MTMatrix] You've basically just called me a bureaucrat. Expect no response from my part from now on, I'm tired of being shitted when I'm doing work for free - work probably nobody would even like to do. You're a very impolite person and I hope you get banned eventually, no matter the good contributions you've brought to the table. We've banned kilbith for being bluntly aggressive, but I see no difference with passive-aggressive irrita 14:44 erle look, i'm not your enemy and i hope neither of us gets banned. all i am asking is to not act on feelings. the response that rubenwardy wrote is one that i disagree with and dislike, but it explains the rationale from his POV. yours is … less explanatory and more mechanical. 15:07 MTDiscord I think you would both feel better if you brought to the table compassion and professionalism, even though this is a volunteer project. 15:09 MTDiscord I don't think it's necessary to open an issue if there isn't general interest in it. You can keep track of it locally just as well, and once you have a fix, you can open a PR. 15:09 erle yeah, could be. but no amount of compassion is going to overcome me wanting to fix a bug and then basically getting insulted for trying to contribute. 15:09 erle how is anyone else going to reproduce something in a closed issue? 15:10 MTDiscord If you want to open an issue at that point just for record keeping, go ahead, but I don't think you even need to do that. Just PR the fix, and prepare for the very real possibility that it will be rejected. 15:10 erle it's not for record keeping 15:10 erle and the fix is not obvious 15:10 MTDiscord How do you feel about Zughy repeatedly shutting your issue down? 15:10 erle nor do i really have much interest if the *first* interaction is not helping me with debugging but saying my debugging activities are ”a drain on resources”. i had a good reason for asking a friend unaffiliated with minetest. 15:11 erle not good, but on procedural grounds. i think it is wrong on principle and irritating to contributors in particular to close bugs without an explanation. 15:11 erle and “i think someone else this” lacks explanatory power 15:11 erle someone else *wants* this … sorry 15:12 nrz you are talking a bit too much and make this chan noisy for no reason tbh 15:12 MTDiscord And how do you think other people feel about "acquire the exact hardware I have 😜"? 15:12 nrz if you have sth, PR and we'll take a look, or issue 15:14 MTDiscord Who in their right mind would spend their precious time trying to reproduce a difficult-to-debug issue that doesn't affect their hardware? AFCMS was very gracious, and I think it's good that you were able to work together, but remember he's under no kind of obligation to reproduce your issue. 15:15 erle look, AFCMS was not gracious at all and all this bragging about “my weakest PC is better than your best one” was just harassment. i'll be silent on this. you can query me if you think you have something to say to me in particular. 15:15 MTDiscord So how is anyone going to reproduce anything in an open issue either? This is why I suggested not bothering to make an issue in the first place. There is nobody responsible for fixing that kind of bug and nobody being compensated to spend their time on it. 15:15 erle again, i was debugging it. closing it means “do not fix this”. 15:16 MTDiscord If you show that you respect people's time in the way you manage your issues, and the way you talk with them, then you will get more respect back. 15:16 erle oof. okay, there is two ways people use ”respect” – respect for a person as a human being and respect for an authority. what i read is “if you respect others authority, they will treat you like a human being”. 15:16 MTDiscord I don't think Zughy was telling you not to fix it. 15:17 erle no, but AFCMS was, kinda, and it was not ”gracious”. it's bullying and i have seen this already. bye. 15:18 MTDiscord I'm sorry you chose to read it that way. I don't want to see you banned, but if you continue to pick fights with your peers, I think that is what will happen. 16:04 sfan5 can I merge #13793? 16:04 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13793 -- Amend list of planned breakages by sfan5 16:07 rubenwardy lgtm 16:07 json hi all! 17:06 MTDiscord Hi json!