Time Nick Message 13:20 Zughy[m] OP has disappeared and this should be closed, but I don't have any power in the irrlicht repo: https://github.com/minetest/irrlicht/pull/134 13:34 Zughy[m] Sorry I haven't created the meeting note, I completely forgot. Anyway, meeting in about 3:30h 13:51 Desour Zughy[m]: that's some interesting feedback! did they by chance name an example of a project that has less "gatekeeping vibes", and what they did better? 13:52 Desour (otherwise, to make getting into engine development easier, we should definitely add more recent engine documentation, i.e. explaining the architecture on a high level) 14:26 Zughy[m] Desour: unfortunately not, but I guess Godot it'd be a nice example 16:06 MTDiscord Take a look at irrlicht/examples/AutomatedTest/main.cpp. That’s the only file that was using that function IIRC. Replacing it took a few lines but was straightforward. 16:08 MTDiscord If you need it in several tests now though, restore it as a free function somewhere in test code (am I right you only need it for tests?). 17:02 Zughy[m] Dlin dlon, meeting time 🛎️ 17:02 Zughy[m] How many people here? 17:03 Desour hi 17:04 MTDiscord hello 17:05 MTDiscord desour: what exactly was wrong with c_converter.h? 17:05 Zughy[m] please keep these questions for later 17:06 Desour will answer in PR 17:06 Zughy[m] >close all the Jude's PRs that haven't been adopted (Zughy) 17:06 Zughy[m] anyone wants to adopt something? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls/TurkeyMcMac 17:07 Desour I will definitely adopt some, regardless of whether they're open or closed. 17:08 Desour if the adoption_needed label is used correctly (i.e. applied on all non-adopted ones of them), it shouldn't be hard to find them 17:08 Zughy[m] yes, I usually remove it after a couple years 17:08 Zughy[m] but I forget most of the time 17:09 Zughy[m] well then, I'll close them for now 17:10 Zughy[m] >"Dual Wielding" I think OP is waiting for a core dev feedback, see their last comment (Zughy) 17:11 Zughy[m] #11016 17:11 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11016 -- Dual Wielding by LizzyFleckenstein03 17:12 Zughy[m] basically, it says "Action/Change needed", but I'm afraid it's not OP's 17:13 Desour >I usually remove it after a couple years <-- please don't, at least not without comment. the PRs will get lost otherwise, and iirc, we don't have so many closed adoption needed PRs 17:15 Zughy[m] 53 17:20 Zughy[m] anyway, since it seems only Desour and I are here, I'll just leave some food for thought: we should really consider to change name, people think we're some alpha version of Minecraft. In general it's very misleading, since mines are not a core feature (plenty of games have none) nor we've been a test of Minecraft for years 17:20 Krock the Dual Wield issue is tricky to fix overall 17:20 rubenwardy everyone agrees the name is rubbish, no one agrees what to rename to 17:20 MTDiscord nodetech 17:21 Desour I like having a rubbish name, it suits minetest 17:21 Desour (sorry for offense) 17:21 Krock this has been brought up at least as often as infinite worlds and no solution has been found for either 17:21 Zughy[m] well, let's start with the core feature: it's a voxel game engine 17:21 Zughy[m] something with "cube"? 17:21 Desour voxels are not cubes 17:22 Zughy[m] the world is made of cubes, c'mon 17:23 Desour a mtg flower is not a cube 17:24 Zughy[m] Krock: I imagine, but I (nor anyone else) can't spend 5 minutes every time for every single person to explain them that we're not Minecraft and why we're called like that 17:25 Krock instead we're wasting time here trying to find a name that everyone agrees on which hasn't worked in years 17:26 Krock the forum should have a few topics with name suggestions 17:26 Krock perhaps it's possible to get inspired there 17:26 Desour searched for the renaming threads, found #11657, #5670, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17133 17:26 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11657 -- Rename Minetest to better communicate this project being a sandbox engine, perhaps by conducting an up-to-date vote by the community 17:26 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5670 -- Renaming Minetest 17:28 Krock the survey says "no", though. 17:29 Krock seems like the majority has decided 17:29 Zughy[m] probably the majority has never been to a festival trying to explain outsiders what Minetest is 17:30 Zughy[m] this comment is a great summary: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=261117&sid=698563ecd79b5759849859ab0418d0d2#p261117 17:30 rubenwardy honestly, it's a good warning. Primes them to the amount of jank 17:30 MTDiscord what's an festival 17:30 rubenwardy maybe one day when we have fewer issues, we can rename ourselves to Mineprod 17:31 rubenwardy a conference but more fun, I'm guessing 17:31 Krock summary or not. the community is OK with it 17:31 Desour to enchance the warning, we could add a typo: minetset 17:31 MTDiscord mesetint 17:36 rubenwardy biased survey 17:37 MTDiscord https://github.com/Unarelith/OpenMiner 17:37 MTDiscord whar 17:37 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163566800633906/1107361162242302083/image.png 17:39 Krock I have an idea -hear me out! what about.... Freeminer? 17:40 MTDiscord multicraft? 17:40 Krock good idea 17:40 MTDiscord minecraft, even 17:41 MTDiscord voxeltest 17:41 rubenwardy this is why I don't like renaming conversations 17:41 Desour testtest 17:41 MTDiscord wardytest 17:42 MTDiscord irrvoxel 17:42 Pexin CaveCubes 17:43 MTDiscord how are you even supposed to pronounce "irrlicht" 17:43 MTDiscord it's german 17:43 pgimeno maybe the game should be separated from the engine? it's hard to give a name to something that is an engine but contains a built-in game which can be used or not, but is mostly a base to build on 17:43 MTDiscord ear - lisht? 17:44 MTDiscord the game is separated from the engine 17:44 rubenwardy the name we need to change is the game engine / game creation platform 17:44 MTDiscord anyways jokes aside, having a -tech suffix as opposed to -test could make it more clear it's an engine, rather than a scrappy minecraft clone game 17:44 Desour if we were some big cooperation, it would've already gotten some stupid generic name, like core 17:44 pgimeno I like minetech 17:45 rubenwardy any name starting with mine or ending with craft probably invokes too many comparisons with MC, better to try and form our own identity 17:45 Desour we could also softly just change the capitalization: MiNetEst (has "net" in it, because the engine is multiplayer-focused) 17:45 rubenwardy and any name with "test" in it doesn't solve the problem 17:45 Krock Craftminer passes your sanity checks 17:46 rubenwardy haha 17:46 rubenwardy thinking too much like a programmer 17:46 Krock somewhat 17:47 Pexin well I'd suggest decide on newname in time for 6.0 17:47 giov4[m] Desour: "Voxacore" ahah 17:47 Desour 6test 17:47 Pexin (in 20 years) 17:47 MTDiscord voxey!! >w< 17:48 Zughy[m] and a fox as a mascotte 17:48 Zughy[m] boom 17:48 rubenwardy 5.0 was 7 years after 0.4, so we have until 2026 17:49 Pexin bet it wasnt 7 yrs between 0.1 0.2 17:49 Krock those were minor versions 17:50 Krock but from 0 to 5 we did 5 steps at once, which means that in 2026 there will be version 10.0 17:50 Desour yes, skip more versions 17:51 Pexin Minetest Vista 17:51 pgimeno Landscape Engine 17:51 MTDiscord minecraft 2 17:51 pgimeno can we drop the jokes? 17:52 Zughy[m] I genuinely like Voxey, it sounds childish and playful. Draw a fox as a mascotte and profit 17:52 MTDiscord "minetest vista" isn't a joke? 17:52 rubenwardy owu voxey 17:52 rubenwardy uwu voxey 17:53 Zughy[m] you're not helping 17:53 MTDiscord I only need it for tests, and I've already written my own subclass which should be portable. The tests treat Irrlicht as a black box so they can't access Irrlicht's internal implementations (CReadFile and CLimitReadFile). 17:53 Pexin I still like tunnelbauer 17:53 MTDiscord gitvoxel 17:54 MTDiscord BlockVerse TerraCraft Voxiland CubeWorld MineCraftopia PixelQuest WorldForge GeoRealm Craftopia LandBlocks TerraBlocks VoxCraft PixelMiner CubicExplorer Earthscape CraftVerse BlockScape TerraMiner VoxWorld CubeMiner 17:54 MTDiscord I like Tunnelbauer as well. Irrlicht is already a German name so it'd fit wonderfully. 17:54 Zughy[m] CubeWorld is a game 17:55 rubenwardy chatgpt vibes from that list 17:55 MTDiscord This feels unproductive 17:55 rubenwardy renaming conversation? well I never 17:55 Zughy[m] Does anyone mind if I open an issue about that? 17:55 MTDiscord voxey sounds very cute 17:55 MTDiscord Do you think it might be productive to turn that list into a community survey? 17:55 MTDiscord Not likely 17:55 Zughy[m] to turn it into a survey it means we should provide a few options first 17:56 MTDiscord textbox survey 🤯 17:56 Pexin huge list of prefixes, huge list of postfixes 17:56 Pexin winner: MineMine 17:56 Desour textbox, and arrange it into a wordcloud? 17:56 Zughy[m] selfish name 17:56 MTDiscord Voxey 😻 17:57 Zughy[m] Ofc the issue will be strictyl moderated 17:57 Zughy[m] *strictly 17:57 MTDiscord Something that worked pretty well for making the US Constitution was to elect a bunch of delegates and have them work it out. 17:57 Zughy[m] to avoid.. well, this 17:58 MTDiscord MinetestNotCraft 17:59 Desour tbh, I'm still for something like MiNetEst. I don't remember any positive example of software renaming. someone will always be unsatisfied, and everyone has some work to do to update to the new name. therefor: less disruption = better 18:00 rubenwardy The name sucks, it's not been changed in the past because of the pain of deciding and doing it. Most people in the community have already passed the hurdle of the name and it's not a big deal to them, if it was then they would have left 18:00 MTDiscord MiNetEst 18:00 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747163566800633906/1107366952437035139/Mocking-Spongebob.png 18:01 MTDiscord You could probably call it anything other than something related to blocks or voxels and it would sound better 18:01 Pexin Zughy's point is that without a namechange, its appeal to current NON-community members is stunted 18:01 Zughy[m] ^ 18:01 rubenwardy exactly 18:01 rubenwardy I'm saying why the issue is downplayed, it's a selection bias within our community 18:02 MTDiscord I'll take "Cantaloupe Game Engine" over something like "VoxelMaker" 18:03 MTDiscord 😻 【Ｖｏｘｅｙ】😼 18:03 Pexin voxbauer? 18:03 Zughy[m] and since I've been talking with outsiders for two events here in Italy (and 4 more to come), I'm not asking to trust me, I'm asking to trust them - they were interested 18:03 MTDiscord Is there a reason we can't try a new name for a month with the plan to change it back if the response is terrible? 18:03 rubenwardy overhead of renaming and if we move domains we could sabotage our SEO 18:04 rubenwardy Public renaming conversations end up with bikeshedding and nonsense, would rather avoid them. The best way to rename would probably be to: 18:04 rubenwardy 1) decide to rename. This is a boolean, needs celeron55/etc buy in 18:04 rubenwardy 2) a small group of people come up with names and then test them. Focus groups would be better than a survey as people don't know what they want 18:04 rubenwardy 3) do the rename 18:04 MTDiscord We don't have to change infrastructure yet 18:04 rubenwardy alternatively, replace 2) with "celeron55 decides the new name" 18:04 giov4[m] "I genuinely like Voxey, it..." <- Voxily 👀 18:04 Zughy[m] yeah, people wouldn't fall for the minetest.org trap 18:05 giov4[m] rubenwardy: MineTest55 18:05 rubenwardy if people don't get the memo for the rename then more people could fall for it. Google has options to redirect entire domains, not sure if it would be clever enough to keep our new name as #1 for the old name 18:05 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome 18:05 MTDiscord I believe new names could be designed more purposefully than just riffing off of blocky words 18:05 rubenwardy Minetest-c55, I'll have you know 18:05 rubenwardy GreenXenith: yeah, that's what you get with these unproductive naming conversations 18:06 MTDiscord A convenient time to rebrand would be when MTG is decoupled 18:06 rubenwardy the most important step would be 1) 18:09 Zughy[m] We could send an e-mail but enough people in the staff you should agree with that first 18:10 Zughy[m] as far as I can tell is a no from Krock, a yes from me, a... yes from both ruben and Desour? I'm not certain 18:10 rubenwardy My position is that I see the name as a problem, but I'm worried about the confusion, pain, and SEO implications of renaming, especially when there are malicious actors owning prominent domains 18:12 Desour I'm feeling the same as ruben. and I'm also worrying about the overall increased maintenance and renaming costs 18:16 MTDiscord I think the overhead is lower than we think it is. That, and the longer we wait, the harder it gets 18:17 rubenwardy the costs of renaming are more indirect than direct 18:18 rubenwardy it's fairly easy to buy a domain, rename stuff in the application, etc 18:18 rubenwardy the indirect costs is the confusion and ensuring that enough people find out the change 18:18 Zughy[m] what Matrix did when it changed its name was to call the app "Matrix (previously Riot)" for a while 18:19 Desour and "minetest" being used in repo names, in code, in discussions, ... 18:19 rubenwardy code really isn't that hard, in discussions doesn't matter 18:19 Desour but the readers of the discussions still need to know the old name 18:19 Zughy[m] *Element, Matrix is the protocol, sorry 18:20 pgimeno RewriteRule (.*)\.minetest.net/(.*) $1.newname.tld/$2 18:20 Desour I see Element as a negative example for renaming. "element" is an english word and much too generic 18:21 Desour (and renaming costs were not big, as it wasn't already a decade old) 18:22 pgimeno it's easy to make every old link point to the new site's corresponding page once moved 18:22 rubenwardy yeah, domain redirects are easy 18:22 ROllerozxa "it's fairly easy to buy a domain" assuming a malicious person doesn't snipe any potential names... 18:23 pgimeno rubenwardy: who would not find out the change if all links are redirected then? 18:23 rubenwardy those googling "minetest" and seeing a malicious domain 18:24 rubenwardy ROllerozxa: yeah, one of the reasons to discuss in private and buy domains before any public announcements 18:26 Desour if we had in-game news (which would be useful anyways), we could use that to communicate to the userbase when we rename. but to get that rolled out to most distros, it will take some months or years 18:28 Zughy[m] why do you need in-game news when you can rename it like Element did? See my previous message 18:28 MTDiscord there are many other reasons in-game news would be useful 18:28 Zughy[m] totally, I was talking about this point in particular 18:29 rubenwardy merging web#279 in 10 18:29 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/279 -- [NoSquash] Add App Privacy Policy by rubenwardy 18:30 MTDiscord Not sure of CLimitReadFile but CReadFile is accessible via device->getFileSystem()->createAndOpenFile 18:31 MTDiscord (replying to a message well above... the bridge apparently discards that info) 18:31 Desour Zughy[m]: I was actually using riot when they did the renaming. it caused some confusion for me. and in the case of minetest, searching the web for help is assumably more common. and large portions of minetest users don't use a rolling distro, so they'd have more issues, I guess 18:32 MTDiscord > I only need it for tests, and I've already written my own subclass which should be portable. The tests treat Irrlicht as a black box so they can't access Irrlicht's internal implementations (CReadFile and CLimitReadFile). 18:38 MTDiscord Thank you numzero. That will allow me to eliminate about an hour's worth of code. Thank you very much. 18:39 MTDiscord I guess I should have grepped or searched online for relevant functions before writing my own file opening implementation. 20:20 Zughy[m] So I still don't get if we should bother celeron or not 20:32 celeron55 renaming minetest has always been an option 20:32 celeron55 however many things need to align for it to happen 20:33 jordan4ibanez What will it be renamed to? :) 20:34 celeron55 that's one of the difficult things 20:34 celeron55 the universal namespace is very crowded 20:35 celeron55 and people have different preferences and goals with a nae 20:35 celeron55 name* 20:36 jordan4ibanez That is quite true. We must find something that differentiates minetest from the others within that namespace 20:39 jordan4ibanez So Minetest's basis is: A game engine. This game engine's world consists of nodes which in default state exist as a block, cubes, equally sized 3x3 planes. Within the default state of the engine, with a blank game exists nothing but air & stone. There is no goal. There is no point. You must give the game within this game engine a point. A reason to exist. What encapsulates this vision of the engine without intertwining any game that has 20:39 jordan4ibanez ever existed within the space of it? What word exists in the english language in which someone hears it they think of this project? 20:40 v-rob I can empathize with the pain of explaining the name Minetest to other people. I made a education theory of computation mod (https://github.com/v-rob/automata/, not as yet published in ContentDB), and it seems that no one could get past "Wait, you said Minecraft, right?" "No I didn't: 'Minetest'--it's an open source game *engine*" "But it looks like a clone of Minecraft" "That's a game made with the engine, it can do much more than that" "Yeah, but 20:40 v-rob Minecraft can do XYZ" "Gaah! That's not relevant! Pay attention to the mod already!" 20:40 v-rob It got old fast 20:41 MTDiscord Voxel Canvas? 20:43 runs Please someone adopt this one https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/12928 20:44 runs I propose CubeZ as a new name, it has punch. 20:46 runs https://namelix.com/ is a brand generator wit AI 20:47 runs namelix give me "Blocko" I love this name 20:49 runs https://namelix.com/app/?keywords=cube+game+voxel 20:50 celeron55 my style in naming is such that i'd like minetest to be called mesetint, for example. uniqueness is more important than easily understandable logic. however that name has been already taken by multiple minetest-related projects 20:51 celeron55 CubeZ is a widely used name already, it's not an option at all 20:51 jordan4ibanez Well, perhaps the shifting of the engine's global ID within understanding of the community takes presidence over the games within it? 20:51 celeron55 as is Blocko 20:51 v-rob I don't care a whole lot about what name we have; Minetest is a fine name from a lot of standpoints. For instance, it's easily searchable online, since there's nothing else that will come up for "Minetest". It's not overly hard to type or remember. Perhaps the only downsides are that it gets confused with Minecraft and it sounds "new" because it has "test" in the name, which are both point of pain when talking to new people. I would dislike a name 20:51 v-rob along the lines of "Voxel Engine", for instance, because it would be hard to search online. 20:52 runs cubega, voxelio, blocktopia, bloxit are examples of short and punchy names 20:52 celeron55 a name is very easy to learn for people. that's why the name doesn't have to be derivable in any way 20:52 runs no more than two syllables 20:52 v-rob Mesetint sounds like a fine name to me along my line of reasoning. 20:52 jordan4ibanez DreamVox? 20:53 celeron55 one name that has stuck into my mind is Kuutio. it's the finnish word meaning cube and it is still totally unused in the video game context 20:54 celeron55 paramat suggested it at some point 20:54 jordan4ibanez Ooo, that's pretty good. For americans, that also gives it an element of mystique! 20:54 v-rob Non-English words actually sound like a very smart idea 20:55 jordan4ibanez What if you cut out one of the Us to make it just Kutio? 20:55 v-rob Irrlicht, Kuutio, Lua--sheesh, none of our names will be English at this rate :) 20:55 jordan4ibanez Kew-Tee-Oh 20:55 celeron55 well kutio isn't a finnish word so as a finnish person i wouldn't like it 20:55 celeron55 it would seem silly here locally 20:55 jordan4ibanez I suppose, we're finnished with my idea 20:55 runs no, kutio or kutyo, NOT kuutio, double letters are confusing to read and type in a browser. 20:56 v-rob ..."letters" has a double letter 20:57 v-rob So does "Irrlicht" 20:57 runs I propose a contest with several options to be voted by a committee of wise men. 20:57 jordan4ibanez I was only saying that because I'm monolingual and uu is not common in american english 20:58 runs "Irrlicht" is an example of a horrendous name, I never know how to write it. 20:58 v-rob Only if you don't speak German. 20:58 v-rob For reference, I don't speak German or Finnish, but I see no reason to be hostile to names in those languages 21:00 runs Good morning in finish: Hyvää päivää 21:01 jordan4ibanez Vokseli? 21:02 runs In esperanto: Bonan matenon 21:02 runs I propose to use Esperanto 21:06 runs In esperanto Minetest = Minaprovo 21:08 MTDiscord minemod 21:09 MTDiscord https://www.minemod.net/ whelp 21:11 Zughy[m] I'm in favour of Kuutio 21:15 Zughy[m] It'd stick right after you tell people "it's the Finnish word for cube", so they'll go " oooooh!", with also the feeling they know some Finnish now (well, one word, but you get what I mean) 21:17 Zughy[m] I also suggest to ban runz after such a comment right after someone had told the author passed away 21:17 Zughy[m] https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/12928#issuecomment-1546996687 21:23 jordan4ibanez That is ultra extremely disrespectful 21:26 celeron55 we can now do a thought experiment 21:26 celeron55 can one come up with a realistic path through which Minetest would change its name to Kuutio, and what would that path be 21:26 celeron55 like, does it begin with a renewed forum poll? is it just me buying the domain, committing the change to github and declaring that's the way it is now, deal with it? 21:27 jordan4ibanez Okay well let us see here 21:27 celeron55 there's no process for this as it's a thing that generally, in any project, essentially never happens 21:28 jordan4ibanez Yes precisely. I think, the fist step here is, every core developer should give the input on the name change. Next, the forum post should be made to declare the change. Finally, the Minetest discord should be notified about the change. 21:29 jordan4ibanez These steps should be taken before any other steps are even considered 21:29 jordan4ibanez Before change, it is best to have knowledge of the change to not be blindsided 21:30 Pexin really seems like any new name should not be simply a single common word, in any language 21:31 jordan4ibanez Don't be like me and just go changing names willy nilly, people will be like, why am I in kuutio? What is kuutio?? 21:31 Zughy[m] celeron55: it depends, are we sticking with Kuutio? If so, probably the first thing you want to do is buy the domain to avoid a second minetest.org scenario 21:32 rubenwardy domains are already taken 21:32 MTDiscord Looks like there are no free kuutio.* domain, take it into consideration 21:32 celeron55 i'm not set on any name 21:32 rubenwardy once we get the new domain, we can set up redirects. Google has a form to tell them when you move everything from one domain to another 21:32 celeron55 basic words in any language are super likely to have all the domains taken, it's what you get when formulating a name that way 21:33 jordan4ibanez Is Vokseli.net taken? 21:33 rubenwardy .net is a bad tld for us, best to use .org or .com 21:34 jordan4ibanez Well okay then, is vokseli.org taken? As this is an organization not a company 21:34 Zughy[m] according to the list rubenwardy posted a few hours ago, the next step is "a small group of people come up with names and then test them. Focus groups would be better than a survey as people don't know what they want" 21:34 rubenwardy although you'd probably want to get all the main ones to avoid an .org scenario 21:34 runs I freak out. Ban me because I ask someone to retake the PR? 21:35 celeron55 runs: don't worry about it. just try to understand many people don't like you demanding PR progress from the dead 21:36 runs I will delete the message, but that was not my intention. 21:36 Zughy[m] rubenwardy: who should that group be? What if we create an issue on GitHub where people propose names? So that outsiders too can have a saying 21:37 jordan4ibanez That is a great idea 21:37 runs Not another PR no. There are already 1100. Better a regulated contest. 21:38 celeron55 when considering the word "vokseli" vs. "kuutio" in how they sound to me as a finnish native speaker, i'd say "vokseli" sounds very nerdy and like a mathematics lesson. "kuutio" sounds very ordinary and approachable, but not plain - it has some mystery to it 21:38 jordan4ibanez A forum post linking to it, GreenXenith can post an announcement on the Discord linking to it as well 21:39 Zughy[m] I can regulate the issue, runs. The important thing is to set a rule, like: only comment with the name you're proposing, and you can comment three times top 21:39 celeron55 (that's probably because vokseli is a more direct loan word) 21:39 jordan4ibanez Hmm I see, well I suppose to create a game in the engine you must be very nerdy and mathematical so perhaps that is more fitting? 21:39 runs blocko is taken 21:39 runs It must be an almost original name because the registration issue will be difficult. 21:41 celeron55 one thing i think you'll have to be prepared for is to essentially give me (with a small number of minetest staff) essentially license to pick a name and grab the domains once it seems so to me and the said group that a name has enough acceptance 21:41 celeron55 if a name is publicly announced before taking domains and stuff, an ill intentioned person could get the domains and start playing other games with us 21:42 Zughy[m] Fine for me 21:42 MTDiscord Probably every single word is taken, need to combine two words 21:42 jordan4ibanez KuutioVokseli :P 21:42 jordan4ibanez Math block, mysterious block 21:42 jordan4ibanez Or vice versa actually 21:43 MTDiscord Terrible 21:43 MTDiscord too much like QtVoxeli... 21:44 jordan4ibanez Damn I've been KIA. lohkosuunnittelu? 21:44 jordan4ibanez It is very hard to make a small name in Finnish 21:44 MTDiscord I agree with c55 that the name doesn’t need to be obvious. i.e. no “voxel” or “cube” or likewise in it 21:45 jordan4ibanez Voxelua? 21:45 rubenwardy luatic 21:46 jordan4ibanez You're going to give Lars a big head 21:47 MTDiscord and add that “open”, “libre”, “free” (suggested somewhere above) aren’t good name parts either IMO, they suggest a clone too much 21:49 MTDiscord on “Kuutio”, um... clearly better than “Minetest” 21:49 runs luatic is very similar to lunatic :-D 21:49 rubenwardy how do you pronounce Kuutio? 21:50 rubenwardy I suppose google would help me there 21:50 runs I am going to propose "kreiblokon" which means to craft a block in Esperanto. 21:51 runs that no one steals my idea 21:51 runs kreibloko 21:52 runs KK would be the acronym 21:52 runs the logo would be two KK's joined together in some way 21:53 rubenwardy yeah let's not 21:53 runs KreiBloko 21:53 runs sounds good 21:55 runs KB better, cos KK can be confused with the racist KKK :-D 21:56 runs good evening and ciao I'm going to start working on the design 22:12 MTDiscord Finnish words are hard to combine for me, I did my best and ended with "lohikuutio", which apparently means cubed salmon. 22:12 Zughy[m] so shall I proceed with the issue? 22:12 MTDiscord Sure 23:05 MTDiscord I mentioned earlier that id rather have a completely unrelated word to voxels as a name than something lame like "blockmaker" in any language 23:05 MTDiscord err... "word completely unrelated to voxels"* my brain jumbled those words 23:06 MTDiscord I dont see a lot of engines that self-describe with their name 23:09 MTDiscord Suppose that this engine, in the future, eventually decoupled the voxel renderer from the rest of the engine to form a more general game engine with a hyper-optimized voxel rendering module. Having a voxel-related name would be problematic :] 23:11 MTDiscord It may be wise to not repeat the same mistake of self-describing in case it changes later. "Minetest" was accurate in 2010, after all. 23:43 Zughy[m] Due to the lack of feedback, I've proceeded. If you think it should be unpinned, please do #13510 23:43 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13510 -- A different name for Minetest 23:45 MTDiscord I recommend making a note to encourage names outside of "voxel" nature 23:49 pgimeno would someone do me the favour of adding "Terraforma" for me? I left Github 23:49 Zughy[m] GreenXenith: done 23:50 MTDiscord Awesome, thanks 23:51 Zughy[m] pgimeno: done 23:51 pgimeno tyvm 23:54 MTDiscord Here we go