Time  Nick           Message
13:41 MTDiscord      </g/> Just passing by to thank you for your continued work on improving MT sfan5
16:54 rubenwardy     !title https://twitter.com/Mansimvula/status/1498189808291692545
16:54 ShadowBot      rubenwardy: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
16:55 rubenwardy     someone asking for info about Pi4
17:07 sfan5          if I had an rpi to actually test stuff I'd have worked towards an easy installation experience before
17:08 sfan5          (which would include publishing an official deb)
17:08 rubenwardy     could ask c55 to get you one
17:09 rubenwardy     not that they're not super available
17:09 sfan5          well yeah they're hard to get atm
17:10 rubenwardy     ah yeah, chip shortage
17:10 sfan5          and I guess I could do half the work on a generic ARM SBC anyway
17:12 sfan5          the interesting part is good default settings and making sure the user enables the vc4 opengl driver for proper performance
17:21 celeron55      i might have a half working raspberry pi somewhere
17:22 celeron55      it's a weird prospect to develop an installation process for hardware that nobody can get in more than year though
17:23 erlehmann      well i have a reform 1
17:23 erlehmann      there exist only 13 as far as i know
17:23 erlehmann      still, some people shared stuff online about it
17:24 erlehmann      i think the problem with raspi stuff is that it is always so convoluted
17:24 erlehmann      and rarely knowledge transfers well. we had a thing with rp3 vs rp3b+ at work. software ran on one but not the other.
17:25 celeron55      well, you can make sd card images, and if you have a new kernel the same image will work on many rpi versions
17:25 celeron55      but not sure if it makes sense here
17:25 celeron55      probably not
17:27 erlehmann      well in the case of 3b vs 3b+ you needed an additional device tree file in the image i think
17:28 erlehmann      or maybe just new firmware, i don't know. but you are not building a ready-made-image, are you?
17:28 erlehmann      just trying to get compilation instructions and good defaults?
17:29 celeron55      ok so my stock of raspberry pis: 1) 3b with the ethrenet and USB ports crossed out by myself - probably the processor works but the i/o chip is toast, you could solder a usb port directly to the processor in place of the i/o chip 2) 3b with the marking "heats up"... i recall it just gets super hot but works otherwise, 3) 2b with a slightly broken sd card slot but otherwise works i guess
17:30 erlehmann      he, i encountered a “heats up” 3b too. i think they have a lesser lifetime, at one point they may no longer boot (but still heat up lol)
17:30 celeron55      well, it could be plenty enough for what sfan5's is looking to do
17:31 celeron55      sfan5*
17:31 erlehmann      indeed, but the person who asks has rpi 4
17:31 erlehmann      i think it might just make sense to let the submitter write the instructions as a PR?
17:31 erlehmann      after all, they did make it run somehow
17:31 MTDiscord      <j45> i have an rpi right on my desk, can i help?
17:39 celeron55      i think it's fully within reasonable use of the donation money to buy a rpi4b for the 100€ that it costs now if a core developer wants to develop on one
17:40 rubenwardy     celeron55: schools already have loads of them
17:40 celeron55      (well you do need the power brick also, a cheap phone charger won't work)
17:50 erlehmann      is this the rpi that has a brownout if you turn on networking without having the power brick? ^^
17:55 MTDiscord      <Sublayer plank> doesn't minetest already exist in the raspbian repositories?
18:09 sfan5          in an outdated version, yes
18:09 sfan5          and it won't be set up to use GLES
18:14 twrightsman[m] sfan5: I have 5.5.0 packaged for Debian, just need to get it reviewed and uploaded to the official repos, then it can trickle down to Raspbian
18:15 sfan5          sure thanks for your effort, it'll unfortunately still take a while until it arrives there
18:16 twrightsman[m] <sfan5> "and it won't be set up to use..." <- If you have any pointers on how to enable that, I can add that to the Debian packaging
18:16 erlehmann      twrightsman[m] i think you'd have to create two versions of the library? bc that is a compile time thing now?
18:16 erlehmann      not sure
18:17 erlehmann      depending on hardware you get 10 fps more with GLES, which can be difference between playable and unplayable
18:17 erlehmann      (i have both hardware where GLES tanks framerate and some where it gives me more frames)
18:18 erlehmann      raspbian should probably be able to have exact compile options for their target platform (because it is so little hardware)
18:18 erlehmann      always GLES etc.