Time Nick Message 10:28 kilbith why is core.{de}compress not using zstd yet? 11:22 sfan5 ShadowNinja: can you split the commit you want in into a separate PR? 11:45 MTDiscord on that compres question, if it's for legacy reasons, at the very least give us the option as modders to use zstd instead of zip 11:45 MTDiscord compress, DEFLATE 12:20 MTDiscord DEFLATE may not be removed in a non-major release. 12:21 MTDiscord If ZSTD compression is to be supported by the API, it must be optional and not default. 19:13 v-rob Style question: is it better to indent everything inside a namespace block or keep the same indentation before and after? I've seen it both ways. 19:18 sfan5 for new code the indentation should be correct but I'd avoid indenting large amounts of existing code 19:20 v-rob ok 20:09 jonadab Yeah, fiddling with the whitespace makes a mess out of the history. 20:09 jonadab If it's _extremely_ bad, you have a "flag day" where you run the entire codebase through a pretty printer. 20:09 jonadab But minor irritations, you just live with. 20:48 kilbith v-rob: your presence's requested. 21:06 kilbith v-rob: what's better for animated image buttons: 1. new style property (`animation=100,2`) 2. find ':' in {bg,fg}img* textures and apply animations accordindly 3. new formspec element 23:11 Sokomine hi. got a problem with connecting to a test server. others manage to join. it's a stripped-down version of the main server. i do get "Access denied. Reason: Connection timed out." entering the wrong password gets detected. entering the right one gets said message after showing "Media..." for a time. any ideas? 23:12 Sokomine i'm on latest dev now, and the server is on 5.5.0 as well 23:13 Sokomine any ideas what might cause that? 23:14 sfan5 "5.5.0" is too imprecise unfortunately 23:15 sfan5 if it's not on latest dev it could be affected by bugs that were already fixed 23:16 AliasAlreadyTake This commit: 53e126ac49807d066328377c7c06352b0fc1a380 23:17 AliasAlreadyTake Strange: everyone else can enter, only Sokomine cannot. I checked the ban stuff, there are hardly any mods on it. 23:17 MTDiscord Is that a clean slate MTE build or are there custom engine modifications? 23:18 AliasAlreadyTake No engine modifications 23:18 Sokomine my version is 5.5.0-dev-80c3c7e64 and on 80c3c7e642749f9316a3eee2c235df3ce8be1666 (just pulled and compiled maybe an hour ago; the older version i had before had the same problem) 23:18 MTDiscord Do you have overridden media? 23:19 AliasAlreadyTake overridden media? I disabled external media server, if that's the question 23:19 sfan5 AliasAlreadyTake: too old 23:19 MTDiscord Sokomine: Have you tried clearing your media cache yet? 23:19 AliasAlreadyTake Should I rebuild? 23:19 MTDiscord AliasAlreadyTake: Say, two different mods which provide different media files with the same name 23:19 sfan5 you need to go to at least commit fe5cb2cdfb137764d20ca56f17f607ec361e0dcf 23:20 Sokomine no, not yet cleared. i don't really expect trouble there. there is far less media data on the test server than on the main one - and i can join the main one. will try anyway 23:20 sfan5 latest master is also fine 23:20 AliasAlreadyTake I will go to latest master 23:21 Sokomine same error with new empty cache folder 23:22 Sokomine the empty cache folder just got a cdb/ folder and nothing else in it 23:24 AliasAlreadyTake server is up 23:24 Sokomine hm, intresting: my cache folder has grown to 2 gb 23:25 Sokomine er - and now i joined in almost no time 23:25 Sokomine so whatever it was - it seems to have been an incompatibility with the two versions 23:26 Sokomine the old 5.2.0er version i have on android likewise failed to connect 23:27 MTDiscord try to run minetest --verbose 23:27 MTDiscord does it stumble off specific media or off random one? 23:28 Sokomine good question. now with the newly compiled server it works fine again. we can try with the old binary if alias got that lying around 23:28 sfan5 debugging this is pointless, the bugfixes has been in for two months 23:29 sfan5 bugfix* 23:29 MTDiscord ah it wasn't the last dev? 23:29 Sokomine aah. thank you, sfan5. i wasn't aware of that. is it server-sided, client-sided or both? 23:30 sfan5 both sort of, you need the fix on both at least 23:30 Sokomine thanks! might be difficult to get people on android to update. hope they'll manage 23:31 MTDiscord andriod is the easiest platform to get people to update on tbh 23:32 Sokomine i've noticed another issue recently (not yet tested with very latest dev): when fps drop, i fail to be able to type. letters get lost and scrambled. the computer is so busy it can't keep up with registering chars. never noticed that to this extreme before 23:33 Sokomine jonathon: in theory. f-droid didn't get the latest version for a while, and i'm not sure it's current now 23:33 MTDiscord f-droid is abandoned and dead 23:34 MTDiscord also f-driod ~= google play which is what most of the world uses for andriod apps 23:35 Sokomine true. but most of the world uses ms. most here probably don't 23:36 Sokomine it seems likely that people seeking free software would look out for f-droid. or is there any reason i missed for not using it anymore? 23:36 MTDiscord minetest past 5.2 isnt supported on fdriod due to the fact they cant compile everything for it themselves 23:37 Sokomine that is bad. is there no way to solve that? open source projects ought to overlap 23:38 MTDiscord you could tell f driod to get of there high horse 23:38 Sokomine oh :-( doesn't sound good 23:38 MTDiscord or submit a pr to the mt repo for building everything for andriod from it 23:38 sfan5 it can be solved with 5.5 23:39 sfan5 the scripts weren't in order before so that everything could be easily built from source 23:39 Sokomine compiling under linux doesn't seem to have any problems apart from having to download and compile irrlicht seperately. that got me a bit and required asking here, but then it worked nicely 23:39 Sokomine aah! very good. would be great if the latest version could be put on f-droid again 23:40 MTDiscord lets be honest that minetest on mobile is about 3 steps from basically being unusable 23:40 Sokomine for me - yes. using it without keyboard and mouse is torture. yet younger people seem to manage just fine. don't know how they do - but they do 23:40 MTDiscord and is the absolute bane of most people who work with formspecs/controls 23:40 Sokomine er, yes 23:41 MTDiscord its not just you, minetest mobile interface sucks. but its better than nothing 23:41 Sokomine which is what i'm doing mostly (apart from building a bit lately): working on AliasAlreadyTakens npc mod so that npc can used point&click adventure like and be talked to 23:43 MTDiscord sounds painful 23:43 Sokomine (the npc can do that already as such. what i've added is a lot of complex formspecs so that players can program those npc) 23:43 Sokomine it's also joyful to see progress 23:43 MTDiscord he still have that based on mobs redo? 23:44 MTDiscord anyways, this seems more like a minetest irc discussion 23:48 Sokomine yes, based on mobs_redo, but that is less relevant. hope it wasn't too much offtopic. it helps me sometimes to see people use what i implemented and enjoying it. hope you devs here think likewise and get at least a tiny bit of feedback and thanks that way :-)