Time  Nick        Message
02:07 Pexin       I imagine core devs have at least discussed that the changes are likely sufficient to warrant 6.0, yes?
02:09 MTDiscord   <Jordach> honestly that makes a lot of sense
02:09 MTDiscord   <Jordach> we just changed a major dependancy over to a new-er one
05:47 sfan5       which changes?
08:38 MTDiscord   <IhrFussel> Not at all...it was said that older server versions will still be compatible with newer client ones IIRC ... Also who REALLY wants to split the MT userbase even further at this point in time?
08:40 MTDiscord   <IhrFussel> Cause it was said that 6.0 would be yet another breaking release...that would result in 3 different playerbases: The ones that are stuck on iOS (0.4.X) the ones that want to keep playing on their favorite server that doesn't update anytime soon (5.X) and the ones that wanna find new servers (6.X)
10:36 celeron55   what 6.0 are you talking about
10:59 rubenwardy  they're talking about Minetest releasing 6.0 because of Irrlicht fork
11:00 rubenwardy  I don't think changing dependencies should count as a breaking change, only modding or network APIs
11:17 rubenwardy  update #10536
11:17 rubenwardy  +d
11:17 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/10536 -- Add roadmap by rubenwardy
13:10 celeron55   the irrlicht fork doesn't change anything in terms of user facing compatibility
13:24 don_flymoor I recently tried using ReShade to add more shaders to Minetest, and if turned out looking really nice. I think it would be beneficial to provide instruction to use ReShade with Minetest in the wiki, and maybe to provide a bundled version of minetest with ReShade added in the releases.
14:48 MTDiscord   <Jordach> we don't care about iOS users around here
14:48 MTDiscord   <Jordach> not until i figure out iOS building with cmake
14:48 MTDiscord   <Jordach> i have a sacrificial iPhone XS to go
14:49 MTDiscord   <Jordach> and an SE 2020 handy as well
14:52 Cybille     i care for all, everybody can by an enrichment
15:19 MTDiscord   <josiah_wi> iOS works with 4.x versions but not with 5.x? Or am I misunderstanding?
15:20 sfan5       the only iOS port is MultiCraft which is based on 0.4
15:20 sfan5       there is nothing technically preventing 5.x on iOS, someone would just have to do it
15:22 MTDiscord   <Jordach> i have the tools and hardware required
15:22 MTDiscord   <Jordach> i just need instructions on building it
15:25 MTDiscord   <Jonathon> multicraft is now based on 5x
15:26 MTDiscord   <Jordach> with weird 0.4x compatibility
15:26 MTDiscord   <Jordach> this aint it chief
15:27 MTDiscord   <Jonathon> im just responding to sfan5 out of date comment
15:28 MTDiscord   <Jonathon> source is public https://github.com/MultiCraft/MultiCraft2 idk if its out to there users
18:10 Pexin       RE: 6.0, I was just curious because new irrlicht does affect (temporarily?) the build process at least. but I guess it wouldn't matter for those who just download a binary, shrug.
18:10 Pexin       nevermind me. carry on.
20:32 nerzhul     we will tag next to 6 due to irrlicht breakage ? i agree, but no end user breakage, only toolchain & our internals
20:33 nerzhul     sfan5 i'm thinking about embedding our sound system in the irrlicht lib itself, as irrlicht may change to be more graphics & sound engine and let mt just do the voxel job, what do you  think ?
20:53 rubenwardy  what's the benefit of that?
20:53 rubenwardy  don't create more work
21:22 sfan5       organization is a benefit, but it's kind of abstract
21:22 sfan5       but since sound is only such a small part I don't think it makes sense
22:16 MTDiscord   <Jordach> sound actually has a problem under macOS eventually minetest stops being able to create contexts