Time  Nick       Message
18:46 Krock      m_matrixnode->getAbsolutePosition() returns (440,86,-1330) but the game coordinates are (44.0,8.6,-333.0)
18:46 Krock      thanks camera offset
18:47 Krock      -333.0 * BS - 200 * BS is exactly -1330
18:49 Krock      but even then it's still totally broken
19:17 Krock      GenericCAO::step is interesting because "getParent()" returns an attachment for half of the time when the player is attached
19:19 Krock      to be precise. m_attachment_parent_id is only valid in 1/3 the calls
19:20 rubenwardy that sounds reliable
19:21 rubenwardy the venn diagram of "entities" and "reliable" is two separate circles
19:21 rubenwardy apparently making it an actual venn diagram, if the fish is to be trusted
19:21 Krock      well no. I' just stupid
19:22 Krock      object 1 is the first client, 2 the cart and 3 the main client
19:29 Krock      val_target is not updated properly
19:55 Krock      ok.. got quite a good success rate now. https://krock-works.uk.to/u/attachment_random-2019-11-26_20.54.27.mp4
19:57 Krock      4x (440,86,-2070), 1x (0,0,-2000). m_matrixnode spits out (0,0,0) sometimes
22:02 erlehmann  hi again
22:02 erlehmann  it's been a long time
22:03 erlehmann  how have you been?
22:17 celeron55_ oh, well that's something
22:19 erlehmann  hey celeron55_ long time no see
22:19 celeron55_ what brought you here? i didn't expect i'd see a word from you ever again
22:19 erlehmann  a new friend of mine tried minetest
22:19 erlehmann  and i looked it up again
22:20 erlehmann  i found that it now has A LOT of content
22:20 erlehmann  i am sorry for the sudden stop of maintaining minetest Δ
22:20 erlehmann  i got a girlfriend and immediately had no time for minetest
22:20 erlehmann  anyone of you going to attend 36C3? i'll be there
22:21 celeron55_ well, not much happening these days, but we're here anyways
22:21 erlehmann  the lua engine thing was a very good idea
22:21 celeron55_ there were wilder times
22:22 celeron55_ of the things you made, the logo is living on
22:22 celeron55_ dunno if anything else is left
22:22 erlehmann  the clouds?
22:22 erlehmann  the rails?
22:22 erlehmann  papyrus?
22:22 erlehmann  bookshelf?
22:22 sfan5      clouds certainly still exist as they were back then
22:23 erlehmann  well, if my contributions get replaced, it will probably be something better in its place.
22:23 erlehmann  do you know the fable of the ship of theseus?
22:23 erlehmann  the ships parts break down and are replaced one by one
22:23 celeron55_ we usually talk about the knife's blade and the handle here in finland
22:23 celeron55_ same thing 8)
22:24 erlehmann  at the end of the journey, no single piece of wood remains of the original ship
22:24 erlehmann  but the real ship was the friends theseus made along the way
22:24 erlehmann  the friendship of theseus
22:24 erlehmann  :--DDD
22:25 nepugia    what an unsatisfying ending to a thought experiment
22:26 erlehmann  did the weather subsystem (rain etc.) ever got included?
22:27 erlehmann  i remember that i rejected it for minetest Δ because of code quality issues
22:27 rubenwardy erlehmann: did you make the Minetest logo?
22:27 celeron55_ not really, but there's a humidity and temperature map in the engine that mods can use
22:27 rubenwardy oh yes
22:28 erlehmann  rubenwardy, yes, i made it
22:28 celeron55_ from that days perspective, what there's now is a bit odd maybe
22:28 rubenwardy nice, thanks for that
22:28 erlehmann  rubenwardy, maybe you can find „/home/erlehmann“ in the SVG source somewhere
22:28 rubenwardy I recognised your name
22:29 rubenwardy I do a lot of PR for Minetest, and have to attribute you :D
22:29 celeron55_ being CC something-SA, erlehmann's name is in a license file somewhere
22:29 celeron55_ i mean CC BY-something
22:29 rubenwardy also, erlehmann: https://rwdy.uk/vqWac.jpg
22:29 rubenwardy my laptop
22:29 celeron55_ something being SA most likely
22:30 erlehmann  rubenwardy, haha
22:30 rubenwardy also, your logo was on a big screen at CERN: https://rwdy.uk/vqWac.jpg
22:30 erlehmann  rubenwardy, wan i have a sticker?
22:30 rubenwardy if you PM me an address, I'll send you one
22:30 celeron55_ wrong link
22:30 rubenwardy also, your logo was on a big screen at CERN: https://rwdy.uk/uDBJB.jpg
22:30 rubenwardy lol
22:31 erlehmann  oh someone did a talk about minetest? where is the talk?
22:32 rubenwardy That's me in the photo, the talk was at CERN in Geneva regarding this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=22871
22:33 celeron55_ does some keyboard layout have c next to w? that's the weirdest typo
22:33 erlehmann  celeron55_, i use the neo2 keyboard layout
22:33 erlehmann  the basic row of it is uiaeosnrtd
22:33 erlehmann  and the row above it is
22:33 rubenwardy I assumed it was a weaboo thing
22:33 celeron55_ ah
22:33 erlehmann  xvlcwkhgfqß
22:33 celeron55_ i looked up like 13 layouts and non had that
22:36 erlehmann  celeron55_, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo_(keyboard_layout)
22:36 erlehmann  look at the pictures to the right
22:41 erlehmann  rubenwardy, from where are you sending? i am based in berlin
22:42 erlehmann  also can i get a dozen stickers if i send monies via SEPA?
22:42 erlehmann  also LOL @ weaboo thing
22:42 erlehmann  rubenwardy, is the talk recorded?
22:44 rubenwardy the UK
22:45 rubenwardy and yes, supposedly
22:46 rubenwardy I think selling stickers puts me in a rough spot legally, but I have them as a benefit on my patreon: https://patreon.com/rubenwardy
22:46 erlehmann  why legally?
22:46 rubenwardy I can give you the sticker template, might be easier to order yourself if you want more than 10
22:47 erlehmann  i mean the graphics are CC BY SA
22:47 erlehmann  so as long as you credit me, i have no problem
22:47 erlehmann  ah i see
22:47 erlehmann  > You'll get a mention on the acknowledgements page of the print edition of the Minetest Modding Book.
22:47 erlehmann  wait, there's a book?
22:47 erlehmann  amazing
22:48 erlehmann  where do i need to put monies
22:48 erlehmann  to get it
22:48 rubenwardy book: https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/
22:49 erlehmann  nice
22:49 erlehmann  i also wrote a book in the meantime, with a friend
22:49 erlehmann  http://internetmeme.de published with o'reilly (in german)
22:49 erlehmann  testimonials were like “never read such an unfunny book about such a funny topic”
22:52 erlehmann  rubenwardy, query
22:56 nepugia    :o, tolles buch
22:57 erlehmann  danke :)
22:58 erlehmann  o'reilly germany stopped selling it (because everyone got fired), but i put a clause in it that it is CC BY-SA as soon as o'reilly stops selling it.
22:58 erlehmann  so that triggered and i put it on the web page
22:58 erlehmann  if someone wants to translate it, i still have the source code of the book (it is written in restructured text)
23:03 erlehmann  i am now installing the 31 minetest mods in debian stable
23:03 erlehmann  this is amazing
23:03 rubenwardy there's also https://content.minetest.net
23:04 sfan5      debian stable means you're still using 0.4 ...right?
23:04 erlehmann  i JUST upgraded my system to debian stable
23:07 sfan5      0.4.17 it is then https://packages.debian.org/buster/minetest
23:08 sfan5      5.0 has been in development much longer than other releases (and is also not network-compatible), you might want to look at it too
23:09 erlehmann  what are the differences?
23:09 erlehmann  it is mod-compatbile?
23:09 erlehmann  compatible sorry
23:09 erlehmann  i have to reboot
23:10 erlehmann  brb i hope it comes up again
23:14 Guest61330 hey
23:14 erlehmann  so
23:14 erlehmann  apparently 4.17 works quite well, but the Hauptmenü (main menu in german) shows up as Hauptmen� in the window title
23:15 erlehmann  has this been fixed in 5.x?
23:15 rubenwardy which language?
23:15 rubenwardy oh, derp
23:15 rubenwardy german proabbly
23:16 erlehmann  german, yes
23:18 sfan5      works on my system, though I remember it being broken some years ago
23:18 sfan5      re 5.x: it's entirely compatible just not network-compatible
23:21 sfan5      also if you feel like reading pages of text: https://dev.minetest.net/Changelog https://dev.minetest.net/OldChangelog
23:25 erlehmann  i may have the earliest minetest developer chatlogs somewhere
23:25 erlehmann  do you need them?
23:25 erlehmann  remember zweipktfkt
23:25 rubenwardy :O
23:27 erlehmann  how can i have 0.4.17.1 if you people went from 0.4.16 to 0.5.0 ?
23:27 erlehmann  https://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.16_.E2.86.92_5.0.0
23:27 sfan5      we backported some bugfixes
23:28 erlehmann  ah nice
23:29 erlehmann  so about that 36C3 thing, no one going there except for me?
23:29 sfan5      not me at least
23:29 rubenwardy https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2019/36c3-in-leipzig  ?
23:30 erlehmann  y
23:30 sfan5      rubenwardy: don't worry you couldn't get a ticket anymore anyway ;)
23:30 erlehmann  what sfan5 said
23:30 rubenwardy was interested in what it was
23:30 erlehmann  if you don't know if you are going, you are not going
23:30 erlehmann  big hacker conference
23:30 erlehmann  with a lot of techno
23:30 erlehmann  & general weirdness
23:30 rubenwardy hacker as in hacker or hacker as in hacker
23:30 rubenwardy hacker as in someone who plays with tech, or someone who does security
23:31 rubenwardy wait, it references a resource exhaustion attack so probably the latter
23:31 erlehmann  both
23:31 erlehmann  i will be there hacking human relationships
23:31 erlehmann  it is very easy i have tape
23:31 erlehmann  so i do a workshop called RNGed marriage (pronounced: arranged marriage)
23:31 erlehmann  it is simple: we choose your partner for you, then tape you together at the wrist
23:32 erlehmann  so the only thing that is guaranteed is that you are taped to a person who is crazy enough to come to the workshop
23:32 sfan5      that is ... interesting
23:32 erlehmann  it worked very well at ccc camp in the summer
23:32 erlehmann  people immediately become codependent
23:32 erlehmann  some people do not understand though
23:33 erlehmann  btw, of course i use tape that breaks easily
23:33 erlehmann  in case you need to … break it off
23:33 erlehmann  i saw a woman coming to two guys i taped together, asking if they were gay
23:33 erlehmann  they denied
23:33 erlehmann  and she could not understand why tape-marry a man then? :D
23:34 sfan5      :D
23:34 erlehmann  rubenwardy, ccc congress has stuff like motorized bobby cars
23:34 erlehmann  and a lot of talks
23:34 erlehmann  rubenwardy, enjoy https://media.ccc.de
23:45 rubenwardy looks cool
23:57 erlehmann  was there ever a minetestcon?
23:58 erlehmann  like, a convention with minetest talks and stuff?
23:59 rubenwardy the CERN event was close to one
23:59 rubenwardy 3/4 of the talks were Minetest-related :D
23:59 rubenwardy unfortunately, Minetest is small and people tend to be hesistant to travel on their own money