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paramat |
celeron55 i have a PR that somewhat sorts out CSM for MT 5.0.0 by disabling client-provided CSM until server-sent CSM is completed, but it's likely to be controversial. i'm wondering if you might approve it? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7949 |
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ClockGen |
nerzhul: I've managed to write a build process for fdroid, minetest compiles with NDKs r16b and r17b, but now I'm facing another problem: it crashes on startup. I checked logcat and it actually segfaults with null pointer dereference, I've checked the code and I thought it was fixed by this commit? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/119aa5c91977ce5381e399e21eabf390e5cb5f5e |
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ClockGen |
It's one of commits between 0.4.17 and 0.4.17.1 |
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nerzhul |
ClockGen why you don't have it in your tree |
10:37 |
nerzhul |
paramat, remember c55 is the original dev but it's a consensus, and i really think a 1 year old message can be invalid :) |
10:38 |
nerzhul |
just stop that please, VanessaE which was one of the -1 1 year ago said it's not the best but it's quite good |
10:38 |
nerzhul |
Krock looking |
10:38 |
nerzhul |
paramat: remember this battle was one of the reason of my afk |
10:59 |
ClockGen |
nerzhul: I do have it, I even compared the code manually |
11:00 |
ClockGen |
But for some reason it still happens |
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Krock |
nerzhul: push_back missing near https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7939/files#diff-2e8891f210fadde431f8a10c08a228edR77 |
13:03 |
nerzhul |
oops i did this only on server side |
13:03 |
nerzhul |
ty |
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Krock |
np. I see the compilers are yet not happy with it |
13:05 |
Krock |
will merge #7947 in 10 minutes |
13:05 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7947 -- Update minetest.conf.example and run updatepo.sh by SmallJoker |
13:06 |
* Krock |
quickly changes the author back to get impressive contributor stats |
13:06 |
nerzhul |
yes it's memory problems in the unittests because the lifetime is different than in code due to our historical lifetime on these objects |
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13:14 |
Wuzzy |
Please someone review my eat sound patch: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7788#issuecomment-429656014 |
13:15 |
ANAND |
lol Krock :P |
13:15 |
Krock |
merging... |
13:16 |
Krock |
no what |
13:17 |
nerzhul |
? |
13:17 |
ANAND |
:O |
13:17 |
Krock |
fixed the commit. for some reason squashing assigned it to my account |
13:19 |
ANAND |
You really did change back the author, didn't ya? ;) |
13:21 |
Krock |
yes sure. the stats would shoot through the roof otherwise |
13:22 |
nerzhul |
Krock i'm pretty sure you want to be the first commitor, behind c55 :p |
13:22 |
Krock |
yes sure. maybe I should re-structure the repository now |
13:23 |
ANAND |
Would someone be able to take a look at #7891? |
13:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7891 -- Fix ContentDB packages timing out by using download_file instead by rubenwardy |
13:24 |
nerzhul |
Krock: are you for a FF this day ? |
13:24 |
nerzhul |
it seem your didn't answered on https://github.com/orgs/minetest/teams/engine/discussions/17 :) |
13:24 |
Krock |
nerzhul: what does FF mean in this context? |
13:24 |
nerzhul |
not firefox :p |
13:25 |
Krock |
https://github.com/orgs/minetest/teams/engine/discussions/17/comments/4 |
13:25 |
nerzhul |
erf; ... i need to clear my glasses i missed the earlier comments :p |
13:25 |
Krock |
well, it's nearly no answer but I'd like to see a feature freeze |
13:25 |
nerzhul |
yeah, i was afraid about the changelog since august |
13:26 |
nerzhul |
it seems you, sfan5, ruben (except a little content db fix which requires re-handling one feature), and me are okay |
13:26 |
nerzhul |
paramat seems okay or neutral i don't really understand :p |
13:27 |
nerzhul |
nore, sofar lhofhansl are absent |
13:27 |
nerzhul |
Shadowninja too |
13:27 |
nerzhul |
Ezhh doesn't vote |
13:30 |
nerzhul |
then we have +1 (4), unk (1), afk (5), nc (1) |
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Wuzzy |
Krock: ??? |
13:43 |
Wuzzy |
this link does not work: https://github.com/orgs/minetest/teams/engine/discussions/17?from_comment=4#discussion-17-comment-4 |
13:44 |
Krock |
Wuzzy: these page are restricted to core devs |
13:44 |
Wuzzy |
wow, secret link |
13:44 |
Krock |
or rather those people who are inside the "Engine" group of the Minetest team |
13:44 |
Wuzzy |
GitHub says error 404 :O |
13:45 |
Wuzzy |
GitHub lied to me!! haha |
13:45 |
Wuzzy |
should be error 403 |
13:45 |
Wuzzy |
the error has an error :D |
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14:06 |
Wuzzy |
hello. i have recently worked on making builtin translatable |
14:06 |
Wuzzy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7955 |
14:06 |
Wuzzy |
its WIP and a couple things need to resolved |
14:06 |
Wuzzy |
opinions are welcome |
14:07 |
Wuzzy |
feel free to discuss it right here in IRC |
14:15 |
Krock |
good idea |
14:20 |
Wuzzy |
"idea"? |
14:20 |
Wuzzy |
translating stuff is kind of obvious thing to do :D |
14:21 |
Krock |
yes, but yet it wasn't done in builtin |
14:22 |
Krock |
having the translation files too would be great... |
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14:22 |
Krock |
doesn't intllib have a tool to collect the strings? |
14:23 |
Wuzzy |
intllib has nothing to do with that |
14:23 |
Wuzzy |
and no, we dont have any scripts to collect the strings. sad but true |
14:23 |
Wuzzy |
at least not in our repo |
14:24 |
Andrey01 |
hi devs, i want to ask what decision did you make for #7930 ? |
14:24 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7930 -- Support for Mesh Animations in Mesh Nodes |
14:24 |
Wuzzy |
Krock: well, there is a script *somewhere*, hold on a minute |
14:24 |
Wuzzy |
just not merged into master |
14:25 |
Krock |
ah, the one from nore/Ekdohibs |
14:25 |
Andrey01 |
are you going to add this support in 5.0.0? |
14:25 |
nore |
ehm yes I recall that one |
14:25 |
nore |
it was never merged, was it? |
14:25 |
Wuzzy |
no |
14:25 |
Krock |
yes, sadly. |
14:26 |
Wuzzy |
what i totally cannot understand |
14:26 |
Wuzzy |
its critically important for translators |
14:26 |
rubenwardy |
Andrey01: if there's no open pr, then it won't be added in 5 |
14:26 |
nore |
still toying with the idea of writing a mo parser and using mo instead of our own format |
14:26 |
Krock |
#6325 |
14:26 |
Wuzzy |
YES YES YES |
14:26 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6325 -- Add scripts to find and update translations. by Ekdohibs |
14:26 |
nore |
not trivial though... |
14:26 |
Wuzzy |
i hate the .tr format |
14:26 |
Wuzzy |
Gettext solves many problems |
14:26 |
nore |
Wuzzy: to be honest, I hate it too |
14:26 |
Andrey01 |
rubenwardy: this pr is opened now |
14:27 |
Wuzzy |
why was it chosen? laziness? too hard? :) |
14:27 |
Krock |
gettext also creates many problems which is why we have this workaround |
14:27 |
Wuzzy |
wait what?? |
14:27 |
nore |
gettext has problems |
14:27 |
Wuzzy |
thats news to me |
14:27 |
Krock |
Wuzzy: did you seriously miss the whole discussion about this? |
14:27 |
nore |
like, not having an API for what we want to do |
14:27 |
nore |
so we would need to parse the gettext files ourselves... |
14:27 |
Krock |
it does not allow dynamically loading/unloading translations and requires an app-hard-reset |
14:27 |
Wuzzy |
oh riiight. your use case... |
14:28 |
nore |
and tr are easier to parse than mo :/ |
14:28 |
Krock |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/intllib/blob/master/gettext.lua |
14:28 |
nore |
Wuzzy: well, if there just was an API to parse mo files, I wouldn't have hesitated one second about what to do |
14:29 |
Krock |
*cough* link |
14:29 |
Wuzzy |
:D |
14:29 |
nore |
I asked the question long before I implemented it and no-one ever found one... |
14:29 |
Andrey01 |
rubenwardy: why did you not close it if it won`t be added in 5.0.0? |
14:29 |
Krock |
there's no C++ implementation but that one from inttlib in Lua |
14:30 |
nore |
yeah |
14:31 |
nore |
and that one isn't suitable as-is for client-side translations |
14:31 |
nore |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/intllib/blob/master/gettext.lua#L110 this would be client executing server-sent code |
14:31 |
Wuzzy |
uh-oh |
14:31 |
Andrey01 |
so will #7930 be added in 5.0.0? What decision ?? |
14:31 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7930 -- Support for Mesh Animations in Mesh Nodes |
14:32 |
nore |
shouldn't matter with a proper C++ implementation: but it means writing a parser for these expressions |
14:32 |
nore |
and it doesn't matter for intllib as well: it is all server-side executed code, so no security holes |
14:33 |
Wuzzy |
nore: Krock: Aaahh!! I found the translation updating scripts!! https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6325 |
14:33 |
Wuzzy |
*someone* has killed the PR for unknown reasons :O |
14:33 |
nore |
should *probably* be okay even with untrusted translations server-side, I think the worst you can do is an infinite loop |
14:33 |
Krock |
Wuzzy: scroll up. It's the line below your "<Wuzzy> YES YES YES" |
14:35 |
nore |
anyway, it's complicated in any case... |
14:35 |
Krock |
nore: it doesn't look that insecure. better than nothing for the moment |
14:35 |
nore |
Krock: yes of course :) |
14:35 |
Wuzzy |
Krock: so the PR was killed for incomplete documentation? All that needs to be done is to write the docs, then it's good? |
14:36 |
Krock |
Wuzzy: please read the GitHub discussion again. It was closed due to long inactivity by the developer |
14:36 |
nore |
oh |
14:36 |
nore |
https://github.com/cbeck88/spirit-po |
14:36 |
nore |
however: depends on boost... |
14:36 |
Krock |
just seen that too.. but that means such parsers exist |
14:37 |
Wuzzy |
Krock: so what do you mean with "possibly also a mod where this can be tested?" |
14:37 |
nore |
this one seems quite recent but interesting |
14:37 |
Wuzzy |
i think you can't just add a mod into the source tree |
14:38 |
Wuzzy |
never in the history of minetest has a mod been bundled with Minetest |
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14:38 |
Krock |
Wuzzy: at this point client translations were very new. Some kind of testing instructions would be very helpful |
14:38 |
Wuzzy |
so you mean just some example code in a README? |
14:39 |
Krock |
no, sample code in the PR description as it's done with other script PRs |
14:39 |
nore |
<Wuzzy> never in the history of minetest has a mod been bundled with Minetest <-- well, there are lots in the minimal/ game |
14:39 |
Krock |
^ that too |
14:39 |
Wuzzy |
standalone mod* |
14:39 |
Krock |
however, minimal needs some cleanups and the most recent PR is probably dead by now |
14:41 |
nore |
oh https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/libgettextpo.html |
14:42 |
nore |
so maybe we could get away with only gettext... |
14:42 |
Wuzzy |
yay |
14:42 |
nore |
well, "libgettextpo" isn't exactly gettext but close enough |
14:42 |
nore |
and doesn't depend on boost |
14:42 |
Wuzzy |
double-yay |
14:42 |
Krock |
well yes, it's a C library |
14:44 |
nore |
I wonder how much work it would be to use that instead |
14:44 |
nore |
probably not that much, given most of the infrastructure for the code is there (assuming we don't deal with pluralforms for now) |
14:52 |
Krock |
does that mean you've got some time to work on it? :D |
14:57 |
p_gimeno |
Wuzzy: FYI, in Lua, constant strings need no parentheses around the function call if they are the only arg, e.g. S"string" is the same as S("string"). Also, a common choice for aliasing gettext is _ which would make _"string" be the translation of "string". |
14:57 |
nore |
ehm, not sure :/ |
14:58 |
Wuzzy |
but that's not according to coding style guide afaik |
14:58 |
Wuzzy |
also S() has been popularzied by intllib, this convention should be kept |
14:58 |
p_gimeno |
I think the convenience for translations would merit an exception |
14:59 |
Wuzzy |
i will only change the coding style on core dev request. are you are core dev? |
14:59 |
p_gimeno |
no, but it's worth discussing, to avoid further clobbering of the code |
15:00 |
Wuzzy |
ok fine |
15:00 |
Wuzzy |
parenthesis can go away indeed |
15:00 |
Wuzzy |
but i am still not happy with S → _ change |
15:00 |
nore |
one problem is that this won't work for translations with one argument |
15:01 |
Wuzzy |
heh |
15:01 |
nore |
(like what minetest.translate currently does) |
15:01 |
Wuzzy |
ok then better keep the parenthesis otherwise its inconsistent |
15:02 |
Wuzzy |
eeeeh. i just noticed the code quality of the locale update scripts isnt very good |
15:02 |
Wuzzy |
i found a bug |
15:02 |
Wuzzy |
the script fails when theres an equals sign in the string |
15:02 |
nore |
what happens? |
15:03 |
nore |
if it replaces the '=' by '@=', that is normal |
15:04 |
Wuzzy |
no |
15:04 |
Wuzzy |
i mean thats not what it does |
15:04 |
nore |
okay |
15:04 |
Wuzzy |
the script only collects half of the string, the rest is missing |
15:04 |
nore |
so this is a bug indeed :) |
15:04 |
nore |
wat |
15:04 |
Wuzzy |
everything after the equals sign is gone |
15:04 |
nore |
hmmm |
15:05 |
Wuzzy |
why do you claim you made the script when it was Ekdohibs? |
15:06 |
nore |
because I am Ekdohibs ‽ |
15:07 |
Wuzzy |
ok |
15:07 |
Wuzzy |
nore's secret identity has been finally revealed :D |
15:08 |
nore |
lol that was never secret :) |
15:08 |
Wuzzy |
thats what you WANT us to believe... *x files music plays* |
15:08 |
nore |
I'm even credited as both in https://www.minetest.net/credits/ :p |
15:10 |
rubenwardy |
_ is used by underscore already |
15:10 |
rubenwardy |
And stress |
15:11 |
Wuzzy |
? |
15:12 |
Wuzzy |
nore: my first attempt of a documentation: https://ptpb.pw/TR8k |
15:12 |
rubenwardy |
Underscore is a Lua library, stress is a mineteet library |
15:13 |
rubenwardy |
Thinking about it, _ would be overwritten by Lua values when marked as not important |
15:13 |
nore |
Wuzzy: oh, good |
15:13 |
nore |
well, if you want to take the PR over and add the documentation, please feel free to do so :) |
15:13 |
Wuzzy |
well then just let's keep using S like we have always done |
15:13 |
nore |
yeah, S is good |
15:14 |
Wuzzy |
nore: i guess this means you are also unwilling to fix the bug |
15:14 |
nore |
Wuzzy: I looked at the code and I don't even understand why there is a bug |
15:14 |
Wuzzy |
oh |
15:14 |
nore |
it should be a simple string.gsub... |
15:15 |
Wuzzy |
i am stupid ... hold on a minute |
15:15 |
nore |
hm? |
15:15 |
Wuzzy |
has nothing to do with equals sign... |
15:16 |
Wuzzy |
it fails for something like this (Lua code): |
15:16 |
Wuzzy |
S("This is the [minimal] \"Minimal Development Test\" game. Use [minetest_game] for the real thing." ) |
15:16 |
Wuzzy |
there's a hiccup at the \" |
15:16 |
Wuzzy |
ahhh right. because the script believes its the end of the string, i gues |
15:16 |
Wuzzy |
so it will only collect... |
15:16 |
Wuzzy |
This is the [minimal] \ |
15:17 |
nore |
hm |
15:17 |
nore |
yeah, lua string parsing is not obvious to do right |
15:18 |
nore |
well, that's an additional reason to move to gettext I guess? |
15:18 |
Wuzzy |
obviously the " needs to be escaped, thats not unique to lua :D |
15:18 |
Wuzzy |
of course! :D |
15:18 |
nore |
heh |
15:18 |
Wuzzy |
in Hedgewars we also have just a dumbed-down string parser for collecting Lua strings |
15:18 |
p_gimeno |
s/\\"/\\x22/g |
15:19 |
Wuzzy |
We only recognize strings within " |
15:19 |
Wuzzy |
but we support \" |
15:19 |
Wuzzy |
so strings in ' or even [[ ... ]] are ignored |
15:19 |
nore |
hmmm yeah |
15:19 |
Wuzzy |
in docs we wrote 'only use " when you call the locale function' |
15:20 |
Wuzzy |
makes things easier for devs :D |
15:20 |
nore |
well if you can fix that pattern "([^"]*)", please do :) |
15:20 |
nore |
hehe ^^ |
15:21 |
Wuzzy |
well it gets painful if you want to support [[ .. ]], [=[ .. ]=], [==[ .. ]==] etc |
15:21 |
Wuzzy |
lua strings are a bit crazy |
15:24 |
nore |
yeah |
15:28 |
p_gimeno |
could I take a look? I added support for them (and comments) in a Lua syntax highlighter written in Lua |
15:29 |
Wuzzy |
cool |
15:29 |
Wuzzy |
here you go: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6325 |
15:29 |
Wuzzy |
findtext.lua line 123 |
15:31 |
p_gimeno |
thanks |
15:32 |
Wuzzy |
its good enough for a start if you just fix \" |
15:36 |
p_gimeno |
how well does it deal with strings within comments? |
15:37 |
p_gimeno |
looks like it doesn't deal with them at all, from a cursory look |
15:39 |
p_gimeno |
I'd need a specification. What is it doing about get_translator? |
15:40 |
Wuzzy |
specification? |
15:40 |
Wuzzy |
ask nore :) |
15:41 |
nore |
it looks for calls of the form local S = minetest.get_translator("context") |
15:41 |
nore |
then tries to find calls like S("string to translate") |
15:41 |
p_gimeno |
ahh, ok |
15:55 |
p_gimeno |
well, parsing comments and strings is not too difficult, but parsing locals and function calls is much trickier. It would be best to standardize to one function call without parentheses, with always the same name (single character), and perform argument replacement in a separate function. Example: F(S"string @1 @2", arg1, arg2) |
15:56 |
p_gimeno |
F() doesn't need to be standardized, but S() would, according to this proposal. |
15:57 |
p_gimeno |
Otherwise, Lua scope rules come into play, e.g. local S = minetest.get_translator("context") do local S = function() end; S("blah") end. That's a royal pain to track. |
15:58 |
Wuzzy |
i am all for standardization |
15:58 |
Wuzzy |
S() is luckily pretty standard anyway |
15:59 |
p_gimeno |
If the tool only has to search for S<lua_string>, that's much simpler. |
16:00 |
Wuzzy |
i like to keep parenthesis tho |
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16:02 |
Krock |
doesn't S() also accept multiple parameters? |
16:05 |
p_gimeno |
I'm suggesting separation into two functions, one to handle translation and the other to handle parameters |
16:06 |
Wuzzy |
:( |
16:06 |
Wuzzy |
bad idea |
16:09 |
nerzhul |
p_gimero bad |
16:11 |
p_gimeno |
sigh... ok |
16:13 |
Wuzzy |
you only need to care about the first parameter, however :) |
16:14 |
p_gimeno |
with this structure and these limitations, I think it's best to replace \" as I suggested earlier |
16:23 |
Wuzzy |
yeah |
16:24 |
Wuzzy |
p_gimeno: wait, you mean s/\\"/\\x22/g ? |
16:24 |
Wuzzy |
nooooo |
16:24 |
Wuzzy |
that would look horrible |
16:24 |
Wuzzy |
its reasonable to expect that \" works |
16:24 |
p_gimeno |
definitely yes, but that would be done internally within findtext.lua |
16:25 |
p_gimeno |
I'm working on that already |
16:25 |
Wuzzy |
great |
16:25 |
Wuzzy |
sorry i misunderstood. phew |
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p_gimeno |
Lua escapes need to be handled too, once the strings are parsed |
16:55 |
p_gimeno |
my challenge is that this is handled correctly: S('bar baz "this" \'that\' foobar') print("this is in a string S(") x=0 print(") still text") |
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17:05 |
Wuzzy |
try to care about "" first and ignore '' strings |
17:07 |
p_gimeno |
I'm almost there anyway |
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17:32 |
p_gimeno |
phase 1 complete: https://notabug.org/pgimeno/minetest/commit/d69937544317bf7eef4faae1f1022558441048e0 |
17:35 |
Wuzzy |
nice |
17:40 |
p_gimeno |
I think the function I'm writing should also add @ quotes. How are @ themselves quoted? By doubling them? |
17:40 |
Wuzzy |
yes |
17:41 |
Wuzzy |
p_gimeno: i think this is already handled in nore's code |
17:42 |
p_gimeno |
where? |
17:42 |
p_gimeno |
anyway, I'm going through the string to remove \ escapes, so I could as well handle it there as I go, and remove another function |
17:47 |
p_gimeno |
oh crap, PUC Lua 5.1 doesn't accept \x |
17:47 |
Wuzzy |
haha. oh. nore actually didnt handle @@ :D |
17:47 |
nore |
no, it shouldn't be handled |
17:47 |
Wuzzy |
oops |
17:48 |
nore |
it needs to stay in the translation file |
17:48 |
Wuzzy |
ah, right |
17:48 |
nore |
well and in the string to translate |
17:48 |
nore |
(so that it isn't mistaken for things like "@1") |
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p_gimeno |
nore: um what? so if I write S("This is blah@=3"), that goes as is? |
17:49 |
Wuzzy |
yes |
17:49 |
nore |
p_gimeno: yes |
17:49 |
Wuzzy |
i now understood the logic |
17:49 |
nore |
but you are the one to blame here |
17:49 |
nore |
because @ should be escaped in your string |
17:49 |
Wuzzy |
i had a brainfart |
17:49 |
nore |
:) |
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nore |
if you want "This is blah=3" you should write it as such (the tool will add the @), if you want "This is blah@=3" you should write "This is blah@@=3" |
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p_gimeno |
ahh |
17:51 |
nore |
And the tool will write "This is blah@@@=3 = ...." |
17:51 |
p_gimeno |
understood, thanks |
17:51 |
nore |
you're welcome :) |
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p_gimeno |
finished: https://notabug.org/pgimeno/minetest/src/translation-toolchain/util/findtext.lua |
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p_gimeno |
eep, bug found |
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p_gimeno |
and fixed |
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p_gimeno |
another bug found |
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p_gimeno |
done |
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