Time  Nick         Message
00:41 Grandolf     where can i find nathan? or am i on at the wrong time?
00:42 rubenwardy   this is very definitely the wrong channel
00:42 rubenwardy   #minetest or #-hub
00:42 Grandolf     hes not on -hub rn
00:43 Grandolf     i cant talk on -hub
00:43 Grandolf     nvm, will PM
10:37 sfan5        merging #6209 (2 approvals)
10:37 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6209 -- Fix player coordinate rounding in collisionMoveSimple() (#6197) by JRottm
13:03 Fixer        new bug
13:04 Fixer        hmm
13:13 Fixer        https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1866
13:18 Fixer        there were collision fixes i want to test, are they client-side?
16:17 ShadowNinja  I probably won't be here for the dev meeting later today.
18:41 paramat      Krock nore rubenwardy sofar maybe we can look at some issues/PRs
18:41 Krock        okay, I'd be here
18:41 paramat      game#1863 is simple, can anyone good with player api check?
18:41 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1863 -- Player_api: Integrate settable player collisionbox by paramat
18:42 paramat      game#1851 seems good if anyone can review, i'll retest it, nice feature
18:42 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1851 -- Make underwater torches drop by ForbiddenJ
18:43 paramat      game#1859 simple texture PR
18:43 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1859 -- default_desert_cobble.png with darker mortar by TumeniNodes
18:43 Krock        first one looks good but it would be great to have such defaults in the minetest functions, like minetest.defaults.player_collisionbox
18:44 paramat      maybe do that in a separate PR?
18:44 Krock        actually that request is low-priority because each model can change the collision box int he definition
18:47 paramat      no rush for game#1813 but that's ready for consideration, i decided that adding a 2nd density increase can be in a follow-up PR
18:47 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1813 -- Ores (non-mgv6 mapgens): New distributions by paramat
18:47 Krock        1851 is ok too, if tested
18:47 paramat      ok i'll test that later
18:47 paramat      retest it i mean
18:47 Krock        neutral on 1859, as I like more contrast slightly more
18:47 paramat      yes it still doesn't look quite right to me
18:48 paramat      somehow
18:48 Krock        design is a difficult task :P
18:48 paramat      mortar too close in colour
18:50 Krock        the change of mese blocks from -1024 to -2048 looks a bit extreme. is reducing the chance of the generated ores not possible?
18:51 paramat      that's an added density increase that was missing, upper limit is unchanged
18:51 paramat      i should clarify the commit message with old values
18:51 paramat      no rush to review that, it will take some time to consider
18:52 paramat      you can see my design thoughts there are complex
18:53 paramat      mese blocks are the only ores without a 2nd stage so i added one twice as deep
18:53 Krock        oh I see, that's where it comes from
18:54 Krock        increasing the occurrence of the ores with increasing depth is what players like
18:54 Krock        as long it's still possible to get a few ores without mining hundreds of meters down to start on a server
18:55 paramat      yeah, i plan to add a 2nd increase in density for all ores much lower
18:55 paramat      yes that PR leaves iron and coal unchanged to not change basic gameplay
18:56 rubenwardy   reviewed game#1851
18:56 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1851 -- Make underwater torches drop by ForbiddenJ
18:57 rubenwardy   game#1863 looks fairly trivial, but I've not checked out the new collision box changes yet
18:57 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1863 -- Player_api: Integrate settable player collisionbox by paramat
18:58 paramat      actually i should give 1863 a quick test, duh
18:59 Krock_       or there would be further params to specify the start chance and end chance, so we 1) don't have to add five registrations per ore and 2) don't need more RAM and time to calculate a perlin noise for each of them
18:59 Krock_       but that's issue number 8XX ;)
19:00 paramat      ores don't use perlin noise
19:00 Krock        pseudorandom?
19:00 paramat      oh isee
19:01 paramat      yes PRNG
19:01 paramat      but perlin noise is an option in many ores
19:03 paramat      however each stage tends to change the cluster size and cluster number of ores too, so i like having separate registrations for each, it's clearer and simpler
19:03 paramat      anyway something for later
19:03 Krock        merging #6211 in 5 mins
19:03 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6211 -- Start off newly generated worlds early at sunrise, 5:15am by JRottm
19:04 paramat      nice
19:04 paramat      a nice difference from MC
19:04 Krock        what does happen in MC when a world is created?
19:05 paramat      erm middayish
19:05 Krock        ah
19:05 paramat      i think?
19:05 rubenwardy   does it matter
19:05 rubenwardy   what MC does, that is :)
19:05 Krock        the chance is high that they have midday, like our current code is
19:06 Krock        inspired by MC ;)
19:06 rubenwardy   +1 for concept on that PR
19:06 paramat      not much but i prefer to not copy MC if there's no reason to :]
19:06 rubenwardy   in that case, evaluate features without thinking about MC.
19:07 rubenwardy   although not sure how you'd counter the bias of people suggesting MC things
19:08 rubenwardy   but yeah, that's fair
19:08 rubenwardy   so, about underground decorations
19:08 rubenwardy   it may be useful to decide on what to add, and how it would fit together
19:09 rubenwardy   I like the idea of adding some sort of glowing fungi to be used in mese lamps
19:11 paramat      yes i'll code the feature soon
19:11 paramat      but don't have much inspiration for creating decorations
19:12 paramat      however Shara has done a lot of good work with underground decorations so i will to ask for her help
19:12 paramat      glowing fungi stuff which looks lovely
19:15 Shara        :)
19:18 paramat      i want to add the new sandstones to mapgen, but there isn't an oregen that is continuos over mapchunk borders, for a nice strata effect, so i'm thinking of adding a 'strataore' type that uses 1 2D noise for a gentle wavelike variation
19:19 paramat      for a visible band of alternative nodes, should look nice cutting through mountains and cliffs
19:19 paramat      maybe we can get this merged finally? #4703
19:20 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4703 -- Rename “Use” key to “Special” by Wuzzy2
19:21 paramat      possible close? #5654
19:21 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5654 -- Add the ability to toggle camera mode backwards by bigfoot547
19:24 rubenwardy   paramat, yeah, not really needed
19:25 paramat      ok, and #6049 seems pointless
19:25 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6049 -- noclip: Avoid pointing the node which contains the camera position
19:26 rubenwardy   it would be better to avoid going into walls
19:27 rubenwardy   even Tomb Raider I could do that
19:27 rubenwardy   iirc
19:30 paramat      well with noclip you want the camera to pass through solids
19:31 paramat      and without noclip the player doesn't pass through solids
19:31 paramat      :]
19:32 paramat      i should mention, serverside validation of noclip/fly, improvement of anticheat, it's a very big issue for server owners, shivajiva has shut down a server over this
19:32 paramat      c55 might work on this but it might be a while, i might ask nerzhul if he's interested on working on it
19:52 paramat      thanks for being around, i'll merge some MTG stuff later
20:33 paramat      anyone agree with this simplification https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6202#discussion_r131450803 to #6202 ?
20:33 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6202 -- Remove cloud_height setting by bendeutsch
20:33 paramat      the clouds would just look a little higher in menu
20:39 paramat      +1 for #6213
20:39 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6213 -- Leaner minimap arrow makes it easier to see the direction by JRottm
20:45 Noxarivis[m] paramat: hey
20:59 Wayward_One  What else needs to be updated to build Android? My build environment's been broken since the recent breaking changes. FWIW, the Linux version builds okay on the same machine.
21:00 rubenwardy   what's the error
21:01 Wayward_One  one sec
21:06 Wayward_One  https://pastebin.com/8s9F3cYL
21:07 rubenwardy   you need to update gcc to one which supports c++ 11
21:12 Wayward_One  that's the thing, it's already updated. normal minetest compiles fine
21:14 Wayward_One  i'm pretty sure it may be the ndk or something else android-specific that needs updating, but there's been no mention of it that i'm aware of
21:16 rubenwardy   the error is thrown in one of the NDK files
21:16 paramat      Monte48 from MultiCraft has said that C++11 changes broke Android
21:17 rubenwardy   note: C++11 'constexpr' only available with -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11
21:17 paramat      meaning he cannot update and keep up with MT
21:17 rubenwardy   maybe the Android makefiles do not include the flags?
21:19 Wayward_One  i tried fiddling with the flags, to no avail
21:20 rubenwardy   does gcc 4.9 support C++11
21:20 Wayward_One  i hope android isn't completely broken..
21:20 Wayward_One  i don't think so, but that machine has 5.4.0
21:20 rubenwardy   it's using 4.9
21:21 rubenwardy   according to the logs
21:21 rubenwardy   and also https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/build/android/Makefile#L37
21:21 rubenwardy   maybe try changing that line to 5.4?
21:21 Wayward_One  i tried that already :/
21:28 Wayward_One  that makes it try to use /home/home/android-ndk-r11c/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-5.4, which doesn't exist. only folders with the 4.9 ending. not sure how i'd go about updating that, if possible