Time  Nick        Message
00:09 paramat     ok
00:50 paramat     will merge #5560 #5581 #5606 in a moment
00:50 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5560 -- Fix tool digging speed limit by HybridDog
00:50 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5581 -- Fix Lua crash if opening door with slab or stair by MarkuBu
00:50 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5606 -- Conf.example: Move some lines to minetest.conf.example.extra by paramat
01:04 paramat     merging
01:09 paramat     complete
01:12 VanessaE    paramat: I can haz soft overlays? :)
01:14 VanessaE    excuse me, s/:)/:3/
01:28 paramat     erm looking
01:31 paramat     i assume sfan5 is +1 now
01:32 paramat     seems popular so i'm sure it will get another +1
01:52 paramat     WIP game#1704
01:52 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1704 -- Ores: Add tin ore, lump, ingot and block by paramat
03:22 nore        can someone else review #5373 please? I already tested it and it works fine
03:22 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5373 -- Add the possibility to skip light update and fix light later by juhdanad
03:45 rdococ      is water level stored in the lower 4 bits or the upper 4 bits of param2? assuming it's 4 bits of course, could be more
03:49 VanessaE    lower 4 bits
03:50 rdococ      ty
03:50 rdococ      hm
03:50 rdococ      so % 16?
03:50 VanessaE    it's more or less analogous to the flow rate of the water, though I doubt that's what it was intended for.
03:50 VanessaE    just read it directly, the upper bits are always 0 as far as I've seen.
03:51 rdococ      I'm gonna % 16 just to be sure
03:51 rdococ      so the higher it is, the more water there is, or the higher there is, the faster the water is?
03:51 VanessaE    yes. :)
03:51 VanessaE    think of it as volume of flow
03:51 rdococ      wait, both?
03:51 VanessaE    a horizontal stretch of water won't exceed more than 7 or 8
03:51 VanessaE    while a vertical flow will quickly hit 15
03:52 VanessaE    (that's why it's useful for technic's water turbines)
03:52 rdococ      so the lower 4 bits is how fast the water is?
03:53 VanessaE    more or less.  it's not an exact science
03:53 VanessaE    (also, offtopic for -dev)
06:06 nerzhul     nice clang 4.0 in arch heh
07:40 sofar       https://github.com/sofar/mtmediasrv
09:05 nrzkt       what do you think about #5612 ?
09:05 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5612 -- toolcap meta overriding by raymoo
09:05 nrzkt       i'm not very aware about this feature, but i helped raymoo to fix the performance issues
09:06 kilbith     that could be very useful for enchanting stuff if I understand it right
09:09 nrzkt       kilbith: i think it's the idea, but i don't know if it's sent to client or not
09:10 nrzkt       i don't think ti's sent to client, and i will increase memory usage of itemstacks, but it's not the most used object
09:10 nrzkt       are dig timers meta ?
09:49 sfan5       https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/665ax5/ubuntu_is_switching_to_wayland_by_default/
09:49 sfan5       do we support wayland?
09:50 sfan5       or rather does mt work with xwayland or whatever that thing is called?
09:51 kilbith     answer: yes, it does support xwayland fine
09:51 kilbith     irrlicht does not support wayland natively tough
09:51 sfan5       well as long as it runs it's fine
09:53 nrzkt       sfan5: no we don't support wayland, irrlicht doesn't support it
11:07 est31       sfan5: last time I've checked, wayland was supported through xwayland
11:08 est31       although only newer versions of it work reasonably, as older ones suffer from this bug
11:08 est31       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1763
11:19 kilbith     why does he leaves
11:19 kilbith     still connected even
11:23 nrzkt       yeah, strange he left project but answered questions sometimes, yes xwayland old versions has a problem with mouse, but it's fixed now,
17:45 Hijiri      can someone review #5612?
17:45 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5612 -- Allow overriding tool capabilities through itemstack metadata by raymoo
17:48 nerzhul     already done
18:20 Fixer       nerzhul: minetestserver starts
18:21 Fixer       nerzhul: running minetest gives https://i.imgur.com/QrHr5gg.png (is not it should bitch about that on install?)
18:25 sofar       something moved/removed it
18:25 sofar       distro problem
18:33 sofar       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=17411&p=264611#p264611
18:33 sofar       mtmediasrv now does everything, collection, service index.mth, making hashes
18:35 rubenwardy  I suggest writing `A go compiler to build the service`
18:40 sofar       no, because I intend to release prebuilt versions
18:40 sofar       since it's neatly configurable
18:42 nerzhul     Fixer, do you have irrlicht 1.8 on debian 8 ?
18:42 nerzhul     i think yes :p i just need to add package deps
18:42 nerzhul     as i said :)
18:42 nerzhul     sofar, and coffee ?
18:43 sofar       dishes
18:44 nerzhul     nice job sofar
18:47 Fixer       nerzhul: it does have it, but it is not installed %)
18:59 sofar       ok, posted binaries as well for linux 32/6bit
18:59 sofar       I can do more platforms if people need it, but I doubt it
19:45 ShadowNinja nerzhul: You recently did a copy -> reference change to spawn_ltree.  There's another spawn_ltree function with the same issue.  There's also large-object-copying in c_content.cpp (read_item_definition), httpfetch.cpp (HTTPFetchOngoing::HTTPFetchOngoing), and container.h (MutexedQueue::push_back).
19:53 sofar       2017/04/19 19:51:54 Scaning mediapath: /var/minetest
19:53 sofar       2017/04/19 19:51:54 mediascan linked/copied files: 1078
19:53 sofar       2017/04/19 19:51:54 mtmediasrv: Number of media files: 949
19:53 sofar       2017/04/19 19:51:54 mtmediasrv: version 1 (v1) started
19:53 sofar       sweet
19:54 sofar       fully operational
20:14 nerzhul     ShadowNinja, possible, i didn't get time to review all things
20:20 nerzhul     read_item_definition is less anoying, i'm fixing it, but it's only called by register_item_raw :)
20:39 nerzhul     ShadowNinja, sofar just a notice i'm waiting travis and i will merge #5615 which is basicly fixes for some points reported by cppcheck (somes are also reported in your comment ShadowNinja )
20:39 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5615 -- Fix various copy instead of const ref reported by cppcheck by nerzhul
20:41 sofar       peekItem is gone?
20:42 sofar       ok with me, I assume peekItem was now unused
20:45 nerzhul     it's unused in inventory list, not itemstack if i'm right
20:45 nerzhul     inventory list it's sure
21:02 nerzhul     travis happy, merging
21:35 nerzhul     guys, another pr #5616 which same goal, const ref, constructor init
21:35 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5616 -- Fix various copy instead of const ref reported by cppcheck (part 3) by nerzhul
21:50 nerzhul     as it's fairly trivial too, i will merge it when travis will be green
22:12 nerzhul     merged
22:18 paramat     wow lots of consts, i can't really judge if they're ok
22:22 OldCoder    <paramat> OldCoder please could you either rename this channel to 'minebest-..' or shut it down?
22:22 OldCoder    Paramat: No. Rename this channel yourself... or shut it down. I've talked to Freenode and Celeron55. You're advised to speak more politely. Difficult though you and others seem to find the concept.
22:22 OldCoder    This channel: #minetest-dev. Earn the right to speak as you have.
22:23 rubenwardy  wtf does that even mean
22:23 rubenwardy  "rename this channel yourself"    - #-project  or  #-dev ?
22:24 VanessaE    I think he means -project
22:24 VanessaE    take the 'minetest' out of the channel name.
22:24 paramat     http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-project/2017-04-18#i_4881276
22:25 rubenwardy  I think the best approach is to just ditch it like #-mods
22:25 rubenwardy  or redirect to hub
22:25 VanessaE    is that possible?  who can do that?
22:26 rubenwardy  /cs migrate #oldchannel #newchannel
22:28 rubenwardy  c55 is the only one that can do that
22:28 rubenwardy  or OC
22:29 garywhite   I have a theory that I'm rolling out among people that Ik on MT
22:29 garywhite   I'm PMing each individual person and telling them to migrate
22:30 garywhite   Ik that you guys don't have the time to do that, but I can if you prefer
22:32 OldCoder    May I add... I asked Perttu this and he didn't respond... Who among you except for perhaps two people... has both been with the project for as many years and put in as many hours as I have? Not Perttu. Not paramat. Who can make the claim?
22:32 OldCoder    RBA is the backbone. I don't think he has an IRL job. He was here before me and is basically embedded in the project. Vanessa, surely, semi-retired or not now, has been here forever and has made innumerable contributions. Most of the rest of you... You're smug, prideful, Johnny Come Latelies. You should be ashamed at recent events. But you look in the mirror and say, "There stands a hero".
22:32 OldCoder    rubenwardy, your behavior, in particular has been a disappointment.
22:33 sofar       OldCoder: as long as you're reading the irc logs, you're still in here.
22:33 rubenwardy  I've been here longer than OldCoder, just saying
22:39 celeron55   i wish i didn't have to read this book he's writing to me again
22:39 celeron55   it's been the same book for weeks and i don't even read books
22:40 VanessaE    celeron55: care to give us the inside-back-cover summary? ;)
22:40 celeron55   no i think those two lines were impolite enough
22:40 Fixer       celeron55: shame on you :trollface: some books are great, worst part is you have huuuuge list of great books that you can't even start reading :(
22:40 Fixer       like earth history
22:42 Fixer       VanessaE: have you seen my message about OOM? guest what, newest dreambuilder on newest engine = OOM within 10min, technic-worldgen, kek
22:42 VanessaE    :(
22:42 sfan5       Fixer: is that with lua gc64?
22:42 Fixer       sfan5: no, 2.1.0-beta2 that you use
22:43 VanessaE    I still get occasional OOMs, but they always, invariably cite mesecons, even with GC64 (so in this case, i think it's mesecons trying to allocate a fuckton of RAM all at once due to some bug, and failing)
22:43 sfan5       well then we can probably blame the lack of gc64
22:43 Fixer       10 ---ing minutes and it is OOM, and I have not even started building anything, just walked like 500 nodes...
22:44 paramat     game#1704 is tested and ready for review
22:44 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1704 -- Ores: Add tin ore, lump, ingot and block by paramat
22:45 sfan5       paramat: btw this one game pr that is a fix has two approvals already
22:45 sfan5       (just fyi)
22:45 Fixer       paramat: you guys need to think about that bronze tools, or remove them... they are useless, i'm not going MINING TWO ORES, smelt it, combine it, to have a slightly better steel pick or whatever, thats ridiculous
22:46 VanessaE    Fixer: well, the bronze/tin stuff is still technically WIP isn't it?
22:46 Fixer       VanessaE: it is not
22:46 VanessaE    paramat: ^^^
22:47 Fixer       bronze tools is different issue
22:47 Fixer       related one
22:47 Fixer       who even use bronze?
22:48 paramat     ok will merge later, just in case you want to check the diff
22:49 Fixer       if you want to keep that useless and pricy bronze tools, they need to have some really special abilities
22:49 Fixer       so that people will actually want to use them
22:50 paramat     yeah bronze has issues, we can address those soon
22:50 paramat     some return for being more difficult to create than steel
22:50 Fixer       first i was thinking about 2x durability, but it turns out IRL it is not durable, so it is bad idea
22:50 Fixer       my next idea is silk touch analogue
22:51 VanessaE    Fixer: heard of it, what does it do?
22:51 Fixer       bug with opening door with a slab is fixed
22:52 Fixer       VanessaE: it can pick up blocks like stone without converting it to cobblestone, in mt you can pick up stone_with_ore without converting it to ore
22:52 VanessaE    oh ok.
22:52 VanessaE    I think maptools has a pick like that.
22:52 VanessaE    a variant of the admin pick
22:54 Fixer       VanessaE: MC wiki says it better "Mined blocks drop themselves instead of the usual items."
22:54 VanessaE    Fixer: well that's trivial to do in MT
22:55 VanessaE    and I'm certain I've seen a tool somewhere that did that
23:11 celeron55   >[celeron55] told me, weeks ago, that the core devs have demoted him to figurehead
23:11 celeron55   i'd just like to note that i haven't said that; maybe if you really bend some words over but not really
23:12 rubenwardy  that's bollocks, imo
23:12 celeron55   (or even if i had, it really doesn't matter)
23:14 celeron55   (also about the trademark and whatnot, but none of that matters for OC if he loses the trust of people like that)
23:26 cheapie     What's with all the [off]? There aren't any MT servers in here, are there?
23:44 celeron55   there are a bunch of weird members in the launchpad "Minetest Developers" team; i switched one administrator that hasn't done anything in a long time to be just a regular member
23:45 cheapie     By the way, Lintian reports some spelling errors: https://lintian.debian.org/full/pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org.html#minetest
23:46 celeron55   "The package has a debian/watch file, but the last attempt to use it for checking for newer upstream versions failed with an error:"
23:46 celeron55   that's not a good thing in the debian package