Time  Nick       Message
00:38 Fixer      brand new annoyance: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5236
00:49 Fixer      This: <VanessaE> and someone PLEASE fix the player delete bug
00:50 Fixer      can confirm it on her servers, hard to connect
00:55 paramat    more explanation needed
00:56 paramat    #5237
00:56 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5237 -- Cavegen: Place correct biome surface in tunnel entrances by paramat
00:58 Fixer      this one https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1425
00:59 Fixer      still not fixed
01:04 paramat    i mean for 5236
01:06 Fixer      updated
01:08 paramat    ahh
01:42 paramat    can anyone review/approve this simple crashfix #5223 ?
01:42 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5223 -- Objectpos over limit: Avoid crash caused by sector over limit by paramat
11:49 kilbith    my company is looking to hire a competent Lua developer, if you think to have the profile and you're willing to move in France, please /msg me
16:53 rubenwardy nice catch, sfan5
18:03 est31      nice catch sfan5 indeed
18:05 est31      lets hope the reports stop now :)
18:05 VanessaE   some of them will ;)
18:06 Fixer      i've stopped
18:06 Krock      sorry, what catch?
18:07 * Krock    assumes it's about freetype
18:07 VanessaE   Krock: when a server goes to delete extraneous entities, it deletes the player too
18:07 VanessaE   or it did.  not anymore.
18:08 VanessaE   major bug, fixed by sfan5  :)
18:08 Krock      yeah, and for me it feels like the 4th fix for this problem
18:08 Krock      or maybe rather the 10th issue.. could be that too
18:09 nerzhul    sfan5, nice
18:09 VanessaE   this one appears to have finally solved it.
18:13 Krock      well, wouldn't it be possible to check if it was a player and just skip the current object?
18:13 VanessaE   it's fixed now.
18:17 sfan5      Krock: the code does something like that but for a reason the checks wasn't effective in special conditions
18:18 nerzhul    i'm generating the 0.4.15 release now, i'm late i know
18:18 sfan5      ^ make sure to upload the apk to GH
18:18 Krock      ah okay
18:18 nerzhul    sfan5, yeah
18:18 nerzhul    i uploaded the branch because i need to port one commit to stable 0.4 to build
18:19 VanessaE   you guys still think it's too early for a 0.4.16/0.4.15.1 release? :)
18:20 Krock      0.4.15.1 is for freeminer
18:20 rubenwardy nerzhul, just wondering, have you given celeron55 access to the keystore and play console for net.minetest.minetest? In case you disappear
18:20 VanessaE   heh
18:21 nerzhul    it's not as easy to have a team on the play store, but when i get time i will look at multi account possibilities into one apk
18:21 nerzhul    i'm testing the apk now but i think i didn't choose the right server, mediam dl is slow
18:22 Krock      VanessaE, if there are already many bugfixes or good working features - maybe. For the normal players it may be a bit annoying
18:22 VanessaE   nerzhul: any chance you could pull from a later-than-0.4.15 commit for that build?
18:22 VanessaE   (given the propensity for users not to update otherwise :P )
18:23 nerzhul    apk uploaded: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/tag/0.4.15
18:23 nerzhul    no change without a proper git tag
18:23 VanessaE   ok.
18:23 rubenwardy could use the beta channel to allow user to run 0.4.15-dev
18:24 rubenwardy if that's what VanessaE mean
18:24 VanessaE   anything that allows the maximum numbers of users to get their hands on the newest code.
18:24 VanessaE   (assuming it's as stable as 0.4.15)
18:26 nerzhul    hmmm i'm not sure if the minetest_game is updated correctly
18:26 nerzhul    i will need to re-run a second release i think
18:26 nerzhul    can some test the current GH apk ? i only tested online features
18:27 sofar      GH?
18:28 nerzhul    github
18:28 nerzhul    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/tag/0.4.15
18:29 sfan5      sofar: whats the problem with this license even? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_Open_Font_License
18:30 sofar      nothing
18:30 sfan5      then why did you replace them
18:31 sfan5      there is no problem with any of the fonts
18:31 sfan5      EXCEPT for the lucida_sans bitmaps
18:31 sofar      god dammit really
18:31 sofar      fucking debian complainers
18:32 sofar      can't even get their own complaints right
18:32 sfan5      "The license is considered free by the Free Software Foundation, [...]. The Debian project agrees.[1]"
18:32 sfan5      ~linked article
18:32 sfan5      does this qualify as irony?
18:33 VanessaE   I still like the newer font.  it's easier to read, imho
18:33 sfan5      it breaks things we can't keep it
18:33 VanessaE   D:
18:33 sofar      I'm not sure why the fallback doesn't work for you
18:33 sfan5      the fallback is working
18:33 sfan5      the chinese characters are taken from there
18:33 VanessaE   oh wait, sfan5 you mean the japanese etc. glyphs?
18:33 sfan5      however for some reason the chars that don't need the fallback font go poof
18:34 sofar      huh
18:34 sofar      oh, so if you run with LANG=zh_CN you lose all the english text?
18:34 sfan5      s/english text/latin characters/ yes
18:34 sofar      also, isn't it LANG=zh_CN.utf8 ?
18:35 sfan5      % ./minetest --config <(printf "language=zh_CN\n")
18:35 sfan5      setting LANG does not seem to have any effect
18:36 VanessaE   when I do that ^^^ I get only latin text
18:36 VanessaE   no chinese
18:36 VanessaE   (and then, a lot of it is missing)
18:36 sofar      that works for me, nothing is missing
18:36 sofar      (why can't it use LANG?)
18:36 VanessaE   and the fallback is some odd Times-Roman-looking thing
18:37 sofar      VanessaE: old PR
18:37 sofar      you'd have to merge my latest pr to reproduce
18:37 sfan5      sofar: go into the server tab
18:37 VanessaE   sofar: clean upstream actually.
18:37 sofar      sfan5: it's all english
18:37 sofar      nothing missing
18:37 VanessaE   (commit eb49009d)
18:37 sfan5      did you use LANG= or language= ?
18:38 sofar      mind you I have "no locale folder found" in console
18:38 sofar      language=zh_CN
18:38 sfan5      well then there's not going to be any translations
18:38 sofar      $ grep lang minetest.conf
18:38 sofar      language = zh_CN
18:39 VanessaE   I wrote "language" as you did, if I use "LANG" it's entirely in English, no chinese, and nothing seems to be missing.  sans-serif font/
18:40 sofar      I don't know what minetest wants to get translations working, sorry
18:40 sfan5      sofar: https://a.uguu.se/E6t2dqHb3ah8.png
18:40 sofar      I'm not a native english speaker, but if I see non-english software I burn the PC
18:41 VanessaE   heh
18:42 * sofar    enables gettext
18:42 sofar      software in dutch ... that always just made me throw up
18:43 VanessaE   damn imgur is being slow today
18:44 VanessaE   http://imgur.com/m3qyvwP
18:44 VanessaE   left is as in the terminal, right is just running it normally.
18:44 VanessaE   just for the sake of comparison.
18:44 Fixer      VanessaE: vaporwave styled desktop?
18:45 sofar      well that's weird, now the locale error is gone but it's still not chinese
18:45 VanessaE   Fixer: I don't remember where I got the background image.  had it for ages.
18:47 sofar      so however this locale/gettext stuff is supposed to work, I fail to enable it
18:47 sofar      it's too bad, I like the new font
18:47 VanessaE   me too
18:48 VanessaE   can't we keep it and fix the "fallback" problem separately?
18:48 sofar      but, I guess I'll revert it, and create a debian developer voodoo doll to stab twice daily
18:48 VanessaE   lol
18:48 sfan5      VanessaE: minetest conf uses language=
18:49 sfan5      man this irrlicht font tool has some shitty source
18:49 sfan5      why did the author even bother including a makefile
18:49 VanessaE   can't you use karhl's tool?
18:49 sfan5      if the source depends on windows gdiplus
18:49 sfan5      link?
18:49 VanessaE   moment
18:49 sofar      oh I'm still sending a patch to kill non-freetype
18:50 sofar      stop wasting time
18:50 sofar      much larger bugs to fix than support of ugly fonts
18:50 VanessaE   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4436
18:50 VanessaE   (see the link therein)
18:56 VanessaE   sfan5: does that work for you at all?
18:56 sfan5      it does
18:56 sfan5      but it doesn't create an xml file
18:57 sofar      sfan5: actually there *was* a problem with the fonts
18:57 sofar      sfan5: we shipped the pre-2.00 version of liberation which was not SIL OFL, but GPL
18:57 sofar      sfan5: and we didn't ship source
18:57 sofar      I'm adding the 2.00 versions which are SIL
18:58 sofar      I'm assuming they didn't remove chinese pages in the new versions
18:58 sofar      lol
18:58 sfan5      chinese is provided by droidsansfallback
18:58 sfan5      hm freetype=false does not work at all
19:01 sofar      I think you can't switch it like that
19:01 sofar      you have to recompile without freetype first
19:02 sofar      I pushed a new version to that PR that just puts liberation back, but v2.00
19:02 sofar      so now it's properly SIL licensed
19:06 sfan5      if it doesn't work why is it a setting then?
19:07 sfan5      sofar: btw why does github say that your pr modifies the images
19:09 sofar      I ran chmod on them
19:09 sofar      they were executable
19:10 red-001    huh git stores file permissions?
19:10 sfan5      github bug then
19:10 red-001    how does it even do that when it's cross platform?
19:10 sfan5      because it says "No changes." for the xml files
19:16 sofar      diff --git a/fonts/mono_dejavu_sans_10.xml b/fonts/mono_dejavu_sans_10.xml
19:16 sofar      old mode 100755
19:16 sofar      new mode 100644
19:16 sofar      same for the pngs
19:16 sofar      diff --git a/fonts/mono_dejavu_sans_100.png b/fonts/mono_dejavu_sans_100.png
19:16 sofar      old mode 100755
19:16 sofar      new mode 100644
19:58 sfan5      VanessaE: i got it to generate an .xml file, however it's still missing something for irrlicht to actually accept the chars(?) and it doesn't provide the same charset as the old fonts
19:58 sfan5      also something is off with the size possibly
19:58 sfan5      heres the changes https://gist.github.com/sfan5/7f0930ba1ec1f7fb62d74c434c98c6bd
19:58 sfan5      tl;dr the tool is just too unflexible
19:58 VanessaE   it really IS time to ditch non-freetype
19:59 VanessaE   I mean really, does anyone who can run MT not have freetype?
19:59 VanessaE   who can run the *client* that is.
19:59 sfan5      its nice for porting mt to new platforms
19:59 sfan5      since you don't need to worry about FT at first
20:00 VanessaE   meh
20:04 sfan5      that wasn't supposed to be a serious argument for keeping ft
20:04 sfan5      s/ft/non-ft/
20:04 VanessaE   I never know for sure what's serious and what isn't around here :)
20:28 nerzhul    after rebuilding everything for the apk it seems processReleaseResources step doesn't work
20:34 Fixer      had creepy experience with minetest for the first time
20:34 Fixer      holy shit moment
20:34 VanessaE   ?
20:35 red-001    VanessaE, see #minetest-project
20:35 Fixer      was testing something, and moved minetest.conf out of the mt directory one level up, ... start... it remembers my settings o_O
20:35 Fixer      ended up runing procmon.exe and indeed minetest looked out from its DIR and found minetest.conf and used
20:36 Fixer      why?
20:36 red-001    #5243
20:36 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5243 -- Fix a small regression caused by #5078 by red-001
20:36 Fixer      it was like C:\minetest\bin\minetest.exe looking C:\minetest.conf o_O
20:38 Fixer      had to move it out into more obscure place
20:39 red-001    looks like the NSA mandated api broke, or something
20:39 red-001    jk
20:39 red-001    still that's werid
20:40 Fixer      my first though was... minetest uses registry?
20:42 Fixer      i even searched the source for fixer...
20:43 nerzhul    okay it's a problem with the previous minetest_game build, very strange
20:44 nerzhul    GH is now up to date, uploading to play store
20:45 nerzhul    seems the Android make clean doesn't clean the MT game previous output
20:46 nerzhul    apk uploaded to play store, it will be available ~24 hours
21:24 celeron55  Fixer: it's a feature 8)
21:32 Fixer      celeron55: that was unexpected...
21:33 celeron55  a run-in-place will look for the configuration file from $location_of_exe/../minetest.conf and also $location_of_exe/../../minetest.conf
21:33 celeron55  a run-in-place build*
21:34 celeron55  useful for eg. visual studio builds that append another directory before bin
21:36 celeron55  or for collections of different minetests that still should use the same configuration
21:38 Fixer      ha, now it makes a big sense
21:39 celeron55  i have no idea if that's documented anywhere; it probably should be
21:40 sfan5      sofar: in the updated #
21:40 sfan5      #5234 you forgot the updates to defaultsettings.cpp
21:40 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5234 -- Re-add Droid Sans as fallback font (Reverts part of eb490) by sofar
21:41 Fixer      celeron55: needs to be documented in Readme.txt under Configuration file: section
21:42 Fixer      i will create an issue
21:43 sofar      sfan5: derp, indeed
21:43 sofar      too much work stuff ongoing
21:43 sfan5      sofar: it's still broken w/ chinese chars tho
21:43 sofar      really?
21:43 sofar      are you sure the old code actually works ? I can't test any of it
21:43 sfan5      works perfectly fine before the freetype changes in master
21:44 sfan5      (just re-tested)
21:44 sofar      that just doesn't make any sense to me
21:44 sofar      wait
21:44 sofar      can you try the old fallback font with the new pr?
21:45 sfan5      my question would be: why is your pr using a different fallback font
21:46 sofar      I got the latest versions and verified they're approprately licensed
21:47 sofar      sfan5:
21:47 sofar      git checkout f17c9c45dc30a388675d46418d278a4a029206e2 fonts/DroidSansFallbackFull.ttf
21:47 sfan5      your droid sans fallback is missing something
21:48 sfan5      because it's smaller
21:48 sfan5      it works with the old fallback font btw
21:48 sfan5      where did you get?
21:48 sfan5      last time i wanted to acquire droidsansfallbackfull i could not find a single .ttf that covered everything
21:49 sofar      don't have the exact link since I fetched it at home
21:49 sofar      but it was the official android base location
21:49 sofar      e.g. something like https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/tree/master/data/fonts
21:50 sofar      yep, it's lost 500kb
21:52 sfan5      celeron55: trying to edit dev.minetest.net results in 500 Internal Server Error
21:53 sofar      sfan5: well, I'll just really really push the old file back then
21:53 sofar      so weird
21:54 sofar      sfan5: so if the problem is the fallback
21:54 sofar      sfan5: could we switch to Arimo and Cousine then?
21:54 sofar      lol
21:54 sofar      they look much better to me
21:55 sfan5      celeron55: nvm that was just the absence of an error page for edit conflicts(?)
21:55 sfan5      we could
21:55 sfan5      but i'm against it, there is no need to change
21:55 rubenwardy sfan5, celeron55: the 500 error only occurs if you try to edit the entire page
21:55 rubenwardy sfan5, celeron55: editing just a section works
21:55 sofar      sfan5: well tbh the current font looks like shit in a 800x600 window
21:55 sfan5      you can edit "just a section"?
21:55 sfan5      good to know
21:55 sofar      and really, shit is an understatement :)
21:59 sfan5      sofar: i don't get it http://imgur.com/a/SVvSS
22:00 sfan5      a few subtle differences
22:01 sofar      hmm, yeah, that doesn't look as bad
22:01 sofar      weird
22:01 sfan5      i guess i'm fine with both
22:01 sofar      800x600?
22:01 sofar      yes it is
22:01 sofar      anyway, pr has the old fonts, not arimo
22:02 sofar      but, try cousine as well
22:02 sfan5      since it's pretty subtle i would be fine with keeping arimo
22:02 sfan5      to not unnecessarily bloat the git repo with more binary changesets
22:03 sofar      hmm, that does make sense
22:03 sofar      ok
22:08 sfan5      same comparison of mono fonts: http://imgur.com/a/lEV6K
22:09 sfan5      i prefer liberation mono here, cousin is just too "dense"
22:09 sfan5      lets see what other people say
22:11 sofar      well, so, repushed with Arimo/Cousine
22:12 sfan5      since we have README.txt couldn't we remove the fonts/*-LICENSE.txt files?
22:19 sofar      we could, I don't feel it's well-named though in README.txt
22:19 sofar      I generally prefer keeping attribution as close as possible in code
22:19 sofar      but, that's just my taste
22:21 sfan5      we don't keep the attribution in the same folder as sounds either for example
22:23 sofar      IMHO license information shouldn't go into a README.txt
22:24 sofar      I didn't even know what was in there until last week
22:24 sofar      but, w/e, I'll change it if you want
22:24 sofar      sound licenses/attribution are probably a mess as well
22:25 rubenwardy would be better in a separate file
22:26 rubenwardy Minetest Game already does this
22:26 rubenwardy there's not license info in README, only LICENSE
22:26 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/LICENSE.txt
22:49 VanessaE   paramat, is #5223 also meant to address http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24003628/  ?
22:49 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5223 -- Objectpos over limit: Avoid crash caused by sector over limit by paramat
22:59 * VanessaE pokes randomly about game#1567 also
22:59 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1567 -- Screwdriver does nothing when used on colorfacedir or colorwallmounted nodes
23:48 rubenwardy game#1573
23:48 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1573 -- Remove set_inventory_formspec in default, remove delay in sfinv by rubenwardy