Time  Nick        Message
00:02 paramat     will merge #4682 in a moment
00:02 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4682 -- Fix water flooding onto lava by juhdanad
00:06 Fixer       https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/zipball/master < this link is very useful, it gives actual version in filename
00:07 Fixer       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16656
00:08 paramat     merging
00:12 paramat     complete
00:12 paramat     now onto part 2 #4967
00:12 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4967 -- New bulk node light update by juhdanad
00:22 rubenwardy  paramat, you should rename the topic to "Warning! Maps opened in 0.4.15-dev will no longer work with older versions" https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=251154#p251154
00:22 rubenwardy  players don't tend to know about "serialization versions"
00:23 paramat     good point
00:26 paramat     had to shorten it
00:29 Fixer       https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16656 "Critical bug in builtin authentication handler"
00:31 rubenwardy  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16656
00:31 rubenwardy  oh
00:31 rubenwardy  it's not a bug as such, but an incredible wastefulness
00:32 rubenwardy  basically auth.txt is entirely rewritten on every player join
00:33 Fixer       nice
00:33 rubenwardy  this would be fixed by a player database
04:42 ShadowNinja What do you all think about this? (someone says that we're bundling a font against its license) : https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=851114
04:50 paramat     one for sofar perhaps :)
04:52 paramat     #5223 i revived 5157 as it is needed after all, simple and tested. note the nazgul may ask for a unit test to be written, i might do that later but not in this PR
04:52 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5223 -- Objectpos over limit: Avoid crash caused by sector over limit by paramat
05:36 sofar       ShadowNinja: has someone actually notified us or not?
05:38 VanessaE    ShadowNinja: the complaint is wrong.  Liberation Sans is SIL Open Font License, not GPL.
05:38 VanessaE    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts
05:38 VanessaE    or rather, it's both licenses
05:40 sofar       which version do we have?
05:40 VanessaE    no clue
05:41 VanessaE    though seems like it should be trivial to swap it out for the "right" one.
05:41 sofar       +  Copyright (c) 2007 Red Hat, Inc. All rights reserved. LIBERATION is a trademark of Red Hat, Inc.
05:41 sofar       not very helpful commit message
05:41 VanessaE    from a quick read of SILOFL, about all that should be needed is a copy of the license file
05:42 VanessaE    http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL_web
05:42 sofar       https://spdx.org/licenses/OFL-1.0.html
05:43 sofar       this looks like a correction is needed
05:44 VanessaE    maybe it would be easier to find some nice public domain font
05:44 sofar       fairly sure
05:46 sofar       As of July 18, 2012, Liberation Fonts 2.00.0 and above are a fork of the Chrome OS Fonts released under the SIL Open Font License, and no longer include the Liberation Sans Narrow fonts.[2]
05:46 sofar       so, it seems updating would also solve the problem
05:47 sofar       I don't even understand all the pngs and xmls in the fonts directory
05:48 VanessaE    I don't remember what they were for either
05:50 sofar       #if USE_FREETYPE
05:51 sofar       so it uses liberation(sans|mono) with a fallback for DroidSansFallbackFull (ttfs)
05:51 sofar       and then without freetype it uses lucida sans/mono_dejavu_sans fonts
05:51 sofar       those are essentially bitmaps
05:57 sofar       I say we switch to the chromeos arimo/cousine/tinos, since those are apache-2.0
05:58 VanessaE    I'm okay with that.  my biggest concern with any font is whether it's readable and easy on the eyes, even if it's not some "big name" font.
05:58 sofar       they are all meant to fit the same way on the screen
05:58 sofar       and the newer fonts are usually better than the old ones in screen readability
06:05 sofar       dejavu is OK
06:05 sofar       but the lucida sans stuff is bad as well, I don't think we can ship that
06:09 sofar       trying Arimo/Cousine atm
06:09 sofar       will make a patch
06:13 sofar       looks nice to me :)
06:13 sofar       gotta figure out what to do about lucida
06:13 VanessaE    screenshot?
06:13 sofar       we should kill that
06:13 VanessaE    the old bitmap fonts?
06:13 sofar       http://i.imgur.com/83Zxql2.png monospace
06:14 VanessaE    imho it's time to ditch the bitmap stuff and hard-dep on freetype
06:14 sofar       http://i.imgur.com/ddZaj3C.png
06:14 VanessaE    lgtm
06:14 VanessaE    could be a hair larger
06:14 sofar       yeah they are pleasing
06:14 VanessaE    but that's config, not font
06:14 sofar       I reset all my font settings
06:14 sofar       I had them larger than this before :)
06:26 sofar       ohh I think I can make bitmapped fonts too
06:58 sofar       building without freetype, yuck
07:00 VanessaE    yeah.
07:01 sofar       pretty much a clean build :/
07:04 sofar       ugh this needs irrfonttool
07:04 sofar       can't we use fontbuilder instead?
07:04 VanessaE    isn't that in the utils dir?>
07:04 VanessaE    hm, it isn't./
07:06 sofar       android folder
07:12 sofar       segfaults, dumbasses
07:18 sofar       useless
07:18 sofar       GRAH
07:18 sofar       fucking code rot wasting my time
07:34 * sofar     takes an axe to non-freetype
07:36 sofar       hey wow it compiles
07:36 * sofar     looks at blooded, blunt axe
07:36 VanessaE    heh
07:38 sofar       ugh, something broke
07:46 sofar       I really don't want to know cmake better
07:56 sofar       well that's an hour of my life wasted
07:57 VanessaE    told you you should nuke non-freetype :P
08:02 sofar       that's what is taking me so long
08:02 VanessaE    oh ok
08:02 sofar       almost there though
08:02 sofar       but, midnight. my legs have already turned into pumpkin roots
08:02 VanessaE    jaja
08:02 VanessaE    haha*
08:05 sofar       for a moment I thought you had accidentally revealed your inner latina
08:05 VanessaE    bahahaha
08:11 sofar       oh, we ship the 'build' folder, yikes
08:18 sofar       #5225 if you want to test
08:18 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5225 -- FreeType: address font license issue, remove non-freetype builds. by sofar
08:45 * sofar     pumpkin entirely
15:27 octacian    rubenwardy: updated #4994
15:27 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4994 -- Clear Inventory Chatcommand (/clearinv) by octacian
16:44 sofar       sfan5: are there actually builds that still require non-freetype?
16:45 sfan5       dunno
16:45 sfan5       probably not
16:47 sfan5       but it would be nice to keep compat still
16:51 VanessaE    imho bitmap fonts are ugly, obsolete, and clearly are extra crap to maintain
16:51 VanessaE    (at least in the case of the UI)
16:53 paramat     i might merge #5223 later. semi-trivial. reduces object limit by 16 nodes to avoid crashes caused by mobs spawning near world edge
16:53 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5223 -- Objectpos over limit: Avoid crash caused by sector over limit by paramat
16:54 sofar       we shouldn't even ship ttf files I think, but that's another matter
16:55 sofar       sfan5: dead weight code is dead weight code
16:55 sofar       sfan5: it all comes at a cost and now someone is forced to use the irr font tool from 2003 to make a new bitmap font
16:55 sofar       for exactly nobody
16:56 sofar       just consider it a healthy diet/exercise
17:54 VanessaE    sofar: heh
17:55 paramat     #4967 is rebased and ready for review, high priority, fixes most lighting bugs
17:55 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4967 -- New bulk node light update by juhdanad
17:58 VanessaE    paramat: not having tested it yet, :+1: :)
17:58 VanessaE    s/yet//
18:32 Taoki       Just so I know: Has any progress whatsoever been made on the shaders RBA left in the works, in the course of the last year? Probably not, but thought to poke around again out of curiosity and ask.
18:33 octacian    rub
18:34 octacian    I meant to hit delete, sorry xD
18:34 Taoki       Been so long since I poked around Minetest BTW. Been too demotivated to... after RBA left, then all the things he was working on got abandoned like they did.
18:34 Taoki       No worries :)
18:34 VanessaE    Taoki: not to my knowledge.
18:34 paramat     post processing shaders? no, but we have some new contributors who may look at that
18:34 Taoki       paramat: Mostly curious about bloom, DoF, as well as the 3D drawtypes for plants.
18:35 Taoki       Good to know about the new contributor at least though.
18:36 paramat     we've kept RBAs PR open so coders see it
18:37 paramat     just a case of if a coder is inspired to work on it
18:37 paramat     core devs are busy with higher priorities, we're understaffed
18:38 paramat     especially now est and hmmmm are taking breaks
18:42 octacian    Would anybody mind reviewing #4994? paramat, sofar?
18:42 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4994 -- Clear Inventory Chatcommand (/clearinv) by octacian
19:05 octacian    paramat: I now agree with now adding a priv. Preparing change.
19:06 octacian    I'll just check for the server priv instead.
19:07 paramat     i'll review again later tonight
19:07 octacian    paramat: updated.
19:34 Taoki       In other news, glad to see my mods still work against latest GIT master code. I haven't updated them in over an year, said demotivation being part of the cause... wasn't sure if any sort of naming conversion or anything might have happened.
20:19 Hijiri      the particle glow and animation properties aren't present in the documentation's particle spawner definition (but is present in the particle def specification)
20:19 Hijiri      does that match the actual API?
20:34 sfan5       Hijiri: oversight, glow and animation works for particlespawners too
20:39 Hijiri      ok, thanks
21:05 red-001     #5229 another database backend?
21:05 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5229 -- Gdbm backend by agaran
21:09 VanessaE    can someone patch the screwdriver mod so that it properly handles colorwallmounted and colorfacedir?
22:05 sofar       VanessaE: worth a bugreport? I'm sure juhdedad(?) will spot it
22:05 VanessaE    https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1567
22:05 sofar       +1
22:06 VanessaE    (filed right after I mentioned it :) )
22:06 VanessaE    juhdanad*
22:06 VanessaE    (I can never remember how he spells it either, always have to check the scrollback :P )
22:07 sofar       juh-da-nad
22:07 sofar       nope, still not recording
22:07 * sofar     sends a refresh cycle to his DRAM banks
22:08 VanessaE    heh
22:43 paramat     i'll merge #5223 later (2hrs) in case anyone wants to look at it
22:43 ShadowBot   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5223 -- Objectpos over limit: Avoid crash caused by sector over limit by paramat
23:04 nerzhul     paramat, where are the approvals ?
23:05 nerzhul     this is not really a trivial change, not many code lines but somes needs to review
23:20 paramat     yeah it's borderline trivial. what's your opinion?
23:20 paramat     removed trivial label