Time  Nick      Message
00:55 Hijiri    #4685
00:55 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4685 -- Add control information to player interacts by raymoo
10:54 paramat   please can we consider #2827 ? i'd love this in for release, long overdue feature
10:54 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2827 -- Allow overriding the hand by TeTpaAka
11:49 paramat   'feature' label has been added, please use that in place of 'enhancement'
12:05 * Zeno`   looks at gregorycu
12:18 paramat   game#1352
12:18 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1352 -- Remove 'player falling damage' sound by paramat
12:30 sfan5     umm
12:31 sfan5     paramat: that is definitely the wrong way to fix this issue
12:31 sfan5     what will you do when the engine placed way too many trees in wrong places? remove trees?
12:33 paramat   we can always add a dedicated long-fall sound effect, which is actually what it is
12:34 paramat   and in engine it could be renamed to avoid confusion
12:34 paramat   what's wrong with the PR?
12:35 sfan5     hm
12:36 sfan5     well it should be clarified whether the fall sound should be played with enable_damage = false
12:36 sfan5     and the engine should act accordingly
12:37 paramat   yeah it's confusing
12:39 paramat   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/game.cpp#L840
12:39 paramat   i could reword the sound name here
12:40 paramat   or better only play it when damage is enabled
12:41 paramat   depends on whether we want it as an always-on 'long fall' sound effect
12:43 paramat   so i'll keep the issue open for a while
12:45 paramat   my guess is subgames are already using it as a fall dmamage sound, so an engine fix is needed yes
12:45 paramat   (damage)
12:47 paramat   game#1353
12:47 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1353 -- Default: Remove unnecessary leaf 'visual scale' by paramat
12:49 paramat   will merge games 1284 1348 1352 1353 in 30 mins
13:20 paramat   will merge those 4 in a moment
13:38 paramat   one doesn't apply and another has a possible error, will start again and merge my 2
13:44 paramat   now merging
13:46 tenplus1  hifolks
13:47 tenplus1  has something changed in latest dev build that BREAKS io.open feature ????
13:48 paramat   merge complete
13:48 tenplus1  hi paramat
13:52 red-001   tenplus1 could it be related to mod security?
13:52 red-001   that got enabled by default recently
13:53 tenplus1  crap, lemmie cehck quick
13:53 tenplus1  how to disable
13:55 tenplus1  thanks dude, that was the problem... disabled and working
13:57 tenplus1  so ALL mods using external files will be affected ?!?!?!
14:00 red-001   yes?
14:01 tenplus1  dammit...  gotta add new checks in mods using files then... pah!
14:03 paramat   #4614
14:03 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4614 -- Enable mod security by default by ShadowNinja
14:04 tenplus1  checking... gotta see what to do with new mods to handle security now
14:04 tenplus1  or does this mean until disabled, ALL mods using external files wont work properly
14:27 paramat   #4699
14:27 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4699 -- Lua voxelmanip: Add optional buffer param for 'get param2 data' by paramat
15:55 paramat   hi hmmmm if you are able to look, #4699
15:55 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4699 -- Lua voxelmanip: Add optional buffer param for 'get param2 data' by paramat
16:14 Fixer     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4686#issuecomment-257098948
16:21 paramat   looks like caves got added
16:27 Fixer     and area further ahead
16:28 Fixer     much more triangles
16:28 Fixer     pretty big fps impact on my ati
16:29 paramat   yeah
16:30 paramat   stuff that occlusion culling didn't manage to cull
16:30 Fixer     also caves :S
16:31 Fixer     vertices drawn in this particular scene shoot up high, almost 1.8x or so
16:32 Fixer     1.57x
16:32 Fixer     i was flying above this area before, to avoid confusion, everything that can be loaded was loaded (i hope)
17:53 Fixer     https://i.imgur.com/B97751W.jpg culing at spawns, land-water-caves system
18:19 paramat   est31 are you +1 for #2827 ? i'll test it
18:19 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2827 -- Allow overriding the hand by TeTpaAka
18:47 paramat   Fixer that's with 4686 applied?
18:47 Fixer     without :)
18:50 paramat   celeron55 something i remember you discussed #4686
18:50 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4686 -- Remove optimization that causes underwater and cave rendering glitches. by lhofhansl
18:52 paramat   Fixer if that's solid ground on top, occlusion culling doesn't seem very effective
19:03 Fixer     paramat: not a solid, it is 1 block ground, some water below, and solid ground
19:04 Fixer     if you building on top of water and have tunnels and stuff going below - thats will be very hard to cull
19:04 Fixer     by current method
19:05 Fixer     i will walk some more, want to see how much stuff is rendered below me and behind the walls
19:08 Fixer     not all spawns are like that
19:08 paramat   i see
19:09 Fixer     some are pretty nice with less overhead
19:11 Fixer     water cities could be hard on fps it seems
19:30 Fixer     enable wireframe mode and go to extreme survival minetest city spawn, amount of rendered stuff is just mind blowing
19:30 paramat   nore sfan5 rubenwardy any opinions on game#1326 ?
19:30 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1326 -- Adding a default automation MLGame
19:30 sfan5     meh, we probably don't really need this
19:33 paramat   3 disapprovals then
19:38 Fixer     more pictures, so much stuff not culled http://imgur.com/a/DRouM
19:38 Fixer     water city*
19:47 nore      paramat: I agree that mesecons probably shouldn't be added to mtg, but I think that there should however be automation at some point
19:47 garywhite mesecons is too heavy, now you could probably run a basic vanilla singleplayer game on 1.5GB RAM, but not with mesecons
19:50 paramat   automation would be a big thing to maintain, so you can have that job :]
19:51 Fixer     basic vanilla singleplayer game needs like 400-1400 mb depending on forests and v_range and walking
19:51 Fixer     mostly it is well below 1gig
19:54 Fixer     i wonder if it is possible to not render that much below :/
19:56 Fixer     another server, solid ground, but strange activity below https://i.imgur.com/529Xjc7.jpg
19:56 Fixer     soo much unneeded stuff rendered
20:00 Fixer     i wonder where is chunk boundary? at y=0 ?
20:00 Fixer     what about just shifting it up so you have few blocks for ground and cull everything below
20:02 sfan5     you can't just shift the boundary up
20:03 sfan5     mapblocks end at y=0 y=16 y=32 and so forth, you can't reallychange that
20:04 Fixer     so it renders y=0 to -16 for sure and I have impression even deeper
20:04 paramat   looks like more than 16 nodes depth of stuff in these screenshots
20:04 Fixer     yeah, it is strange
20:13 Fixer     or maybe it does actually render just 0 to -16 mostly
20:13 Fixer     hmmm
20:14 Fixer     seen something deeper
20:18 paramat   looking at occlusion culling, it seems to act in 'updatedrawlist' but only if the mesh is present, maybe you're seeing meshes that are not actually 'drawn'
20:21 Fixer     clearly see caverns with lava there, they sometimes cull, but not always, interesting
20:22 Fixer     sometimes 1 mapblock is not enough to cull?
20:23 paramat   'isOccluded' only needs 1 non-transparent node between camera and point
20:23 paramat   for each mapblock centre and 8 corners are checked
20:27 Fixer     remember that tiling draw fix?
20:29 paramat   yeah
20:29 Fixer     i have question
20:29 Fixer     about that
20:29 Calinou   "-- Could NOT find Ncursesw (missing:  CURSES_LIBRARY)" on Ubuntu 12.04, how do I solve this? I have libncurses5-dev and libncursesw5-dev installed
20:30 Calinou   it's optional but I'd like to build it, for an AppImage
20:30 sfan5     check what cmake looks for
20:30 sfan5     and see why it doesn't exist on precise
20:30 Fixer     https://i.imgur.com/bTLPs5A.jpg i see that it simplifies land rendering, but why not trees? why not in caves?
20:31 paramat   allfaces optional drawtype?
20:32 paramat   fancy leaves are on?
20:34 Fixer     i think yes, or this cave https://i.imgur.com/Ob9ekgW.png
20:34 Fixer     let me check leaves
20:35 Fixer     ok, yes, if simplest leaves are enabled it reduces them
20:36 paramat   \O/
20:36 Fixer     but what about caves?
20:38 paramat   seems to be a mix in that cave
20:39 Fixer     same rock, i think those have different lighting
20:39 Fixer     thats explains it, need to go deeper
20:40 Fixer     ok, it does simplifies it more deeper
20:40 Fixer     fine with it
20:46 Fixer     https://i.imgur.com/l7guSUQ.png now why can't it cull this in center? i'm pretty far from it, yet it draws :/
20:48 Fixer     i'm confused with this
20:49 Fixer     yes, it says 0 blocks culled
20:50 Fixer     ok, thats because i'm in blocks
20:51 paramat   yeah
20:51 Fixer     went into cave and it culled properly
20:52 paramat   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/clientmap.cpp#L281
20:52 Fixer     got it
20:53 Fixer     still, from what I see, in multiplayer, there will be a lot of overdraw near spawns unfortunately, way too much
20:55 Fixer     server admins probably need to protect entire spawn including below + some distance away to avoid this
21:02 Fixer     last one for today: https://i.imgur.com/00zSiqW.jpg
21:05 Fixer     someone said that (maybe est 31) occlusion on per node basis will be too costly, but how you know for sure, maybe it will be better?