Time  Nick       Message
03:36 paramat    #4522 any more comments?
03:36 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4522 -- Modify default font appearance. by everamzah
03:42 paramat    i might merge that in a day or so if no objections
03:48 paramat    wow #3497 is simple
03:48 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3497 -- Allow mesh and nodeboxes to wave like plants or leaves. by sofar
03:53 paramat    +1
03:55 paramat    likewise will merge in a day or so if no objection
05:38 paramat    #4523 updated with t4im's request
05:38 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4523 -- Register.lua: Throw error if node 'light_source' > core.LIGHT_MAX by paramat
06:16 paramat    thanks, replied
08:07 paramat    i notice we tend to use 'minetest.CONTENT_AIR' instead of 'core.CONTENT_AIR' when using these constants, is one decprecated or either preferred?
08:09 paramat    #4523 updated
08:09 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4523 -- Register.lua: Throw error if node 'light_source' > core.LIGHT_MAX by paramat
08:10 Krock      in builtin "core" should be used, in mods "minetest" - but it really doesn't matter as they're both referring to the same table
08:10 hmmmm      paramat, why do you feel the need to tell people that a light value of 15 causes a "lighting bug"?
08:11 hmmmm      this is not a friendly users guide, this is the official documentation, the word of the bible for minetest
08:11 hmmmm      an api documentation never describes implementation
08:11 paramat    sure, i don't mind leaving that out
08:12 Krock      yeah, it's enough to mention that 14 is max
08:12 paramat    will do
08:12 hmmmm      just write this
08:13 hmmmm      "If light_source is outside of the range between 0 and core.LIGHT_MAX, the behavior is undefined"
08:13 hmmmm      maybe today it might cause a "lighting bug" whatever that is
08:13 hmmmm      maybe tomorrow it might print out an error message
08:14 hmmmm      maybe the next day it will silently truncate the value to 14
08:14 hmmmm      who knows?
08:14 paramat    ok updating
08:17 paramat    even that comment seems unnecessary? it's obvious out-of-range might cause weirdness
08:18 hmmmm      in the C and C++ standards, there are details that are left unmentioned, and then there are some that explicitly say have undefined behavior
08:18 hmmmm      for the sake of specificity i'd rather do the latter
08:18 hmmmm      it clearly lays out the expectations
08:18 paramat    ok
08:19 hmmmm      maybe i'm applying too high of a standard to the lua api documentation?
08:19 hmmmm      we call it documentation, not a standard
08:19 hmmmm      shouldn't it be a standard though?
08:19 hmmmm      terasology should be able to take lua_api.txt and implement it
08:19 hmmmm      buildat should be able to do the same
08:19 paramat    your high standards have been a good thing
08:20 hmmmm      you should be able to make a birthday game that don't involve computers at all, by following the rules layed out in lua_api.txt
08:20 hmmmm      birthday party game*
08:22 paramat    updated
08:24 paramat    \O/
08:29 paramat    will merge this then in a moment
08:31 paramat    2 that have approval, but any further reviews or objections?: #3497 #4522
08:31 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3497 -- Allow mesh and nodeboxes to wave like plants or leaves. by sofar
08:31 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4522 -- Modify default font appearance. by everamzah
08:34 paramat    now merging 4523
08:39 paramat    merged
14:16 celeron55  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTjR5-IabY
14:21 celeron55  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/compare/master...celeron55:client_player_physics_script
14:35 sfan5      wait so this is client side lua scripting but with just physics?
15:00 celeron55  it is
15:00 celeron55  i consider controls and physics the most important client-side thing that has always been way too static
15:12 twoelk     clients could control in game physics?
15:12 * twoelk   must have understood something wrong
15:35 * twoelk   watches the video and considers buying faster pc to be able to use such physics in minetest
15:46 celeron55  eh, that doesn't use practically any resources
15:47 hmmmm      what the hell
15:48 hmmmm      what happened to farmap?
15:48 rubenwardy oh my god, non yaw rotation
15:49 rubenwardy does digging work?
15:49 hmmmm      it's called pitch
15:49 rubenwardy Yeah, pitch and roll
15:50 hmmmm      that's not really impressive though, the scripting part is impressive
15:50 celeron55  i started it yesterday afternoon
15:50 rubenwardy oh, didn't read that
15:50 hmmmm      i'm just kind of upset that farmap is rotting in a WIP unfinished buggy state while this new feature is here
15:50 rubenwardy that's lua?
15:50 rubenwardy wow
15:50 hmmmm      lol?
15:50 hmmmm      you did this in one day?
15:51 celeron55  i am not comfortable continuing farmap until regular rendering is faster
15:51 hmmmm      do you take adderall or something
15:52 celeron55  i was surprised i found sapier's scripting abstractions fairly useful; it didn't take very much to get my hands on a new sandboxed lua instance and adding it there
15:53 celeron55  the flight sim is the shittiest flight sim i have ever tried to fly in, but the interface is fun
15:54 hmmmm      how do you control roll?
15:54 celeron55  it's keyboard only; because i wanted to try that
15:54 celeron55  it's just pitch and roll; no yaw control
15:54 celeron55  mouse does nothing
15:54 celeron55  as defined by the script
15:54 hmmmm      heh
15:55 hmmmm      when i exposed keyboard bindings to the client side lua mockup est got upset
15:55 * twoelk   puts old joystick back in box
15:55 celeron55  it needs some kind of a collision function and a network message passing function and then it's fairly useful already
15:55 celeron55  anything that the client doesn't support (=basically everything) can be just passed to the server side lua
15:56 hmmmm      i think the part where i ultimately got stuck on with my version of client side lua was the icky details of server media sending and resolution
15:56 celeron55  i couldn't even make any hud yet because the only interface to that is on the server side and i didn't make the mssage function yet
15:56 hmmmm      from what i take it you are avoiding this part right now as of this initial iteration?
15:57 celeron55  well, what this does it it basically just allows one to replace LocalPlayer::applyControls and LocalPlayer::move with a script
15:57 celeron55  there's not much more to it
15:58 celeron55  and a very limited API is exposed; just some basic utilities in addition to whatever is considered safe in the lua standard library
15:59 celeron55  i guess minetest.get_node should be exposed so that people can make things that stay on the ground
15:59 celeron55  or maybe just do it with a collision box, whatever
16:00 celeron55  in theory something like this should enable all kinds of vehicles in such way that they don't suck
16:00 celeron55  with almost no API at all
17:13 est31      nice branch celeron55
17:14 est31      I also want to say that I am not "upset" in any way about the fact that it exposes controls
17:14 est31      it exposes them in a way that will work with joysticks and on android as well
17:15 est31      and it still enables players to set their own keybindings
17:15 est31      so I am totally okay with it
18:41 paramat    good to see this. it would go well with the mgv7 floatlands i'm working on
19:04 paramat    will merge these in a few hours unless objections #4522 #3497
19:04 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4522 -- Modify default font appearance. by everamzah
19:04 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3497 -- Allow mesh and nodeboxes to wave like plants or leaves. by sofar
19:05 Krock      I'm using font size 19 so .. no problem :)
19:06 Krock      but I disagree with the opacity change to 255 of the shadow
19:07 Fixer      suddenly wild celeron55 appears
19:07 Krock      with the changes the contrast is a bit too high IMO
19:08 Fixer      and disappears...
19:08 Krock      suddenly wild Fixer appears
19:08 Fixer      i've approached slowly
19:10 paramat    perhaps i'll leave the font PR a bit longer
19:11 paramat    the text in menu tabs is not very visible, needs darker boxes
19:13 paramat    in-game text is not clear against sky or brightness
19:14 Krock      \x1B(c@#0000)very visible text ingame
19:15 Krock      players with 0.4.14 clients will love this ^
19:15 paramat    hm but the higher contrast in-game is a bit hard on the eyes
19:15 paramat    i might agree with you
19:19 Fixer      i also have a feel that snow pr was somewhat rushed...
19:20 paramat    i'm going to soften the dark wave line
19:21 paramat    font shadow alpha 193 is good
19:21 Krock      Fixer, what snow PR ?  (off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSn2JuDQSc)
19:21 paramat    191
20:53 Calinou    yeah, font is too contrasted with the shadow now
20:53 Calinou    keep alpha to 160 or something
20:53 Calinou    192 might be acceptable
20:56 celeron55  why do people want to make it so high contrast
20:56 celeron55  buy better screens or just configure it yourself, lol
20:59 Fixer      there are lots of mazohists those days
20:59 Fixer      buying as shittier hardware as possible
20:59 Fixer      with small screens
20:59 Fixer      it is like 1929 economic crysis or smth
21:00 Calinou    Crysis wasn't set in 1929 :(
21:00 Fixer      nevermind
21:33 celeron55  :D
21:44 Fixer      new trend m = rn , in chat it is very hard to distinguish
21:44 Fixer      in mt chat
22:17 paramat    #4522 is updated to not change shadow alpha
22:17 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4522 -- Modify default font appearance. by everamzah
23:49 paramat    mapper bug https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/issues/31
23:53 est31      i think thats related to how the mapper work
23:53 est31      s
23:53 est31      afaik it starts scanning down from some point