Time  Nick       Message
00:49 paramat    merging #4163
00:49 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4163 -- Sky: Darker, bluer sky and improved horizon haze at night by paramat
00:56 paramat    merged
16:32 hmmmm      i know it hasn't been proposed yet at all but
16:33 hmmmm      I would like to pre-emptively ban protobufs or any other library that requires autogenerated code
16:33 hmmmm      this is horrible and nobody deserves to be required to work with this
16:35 est31      ban protobuf?
16:35 est31      great idea
16:35 est31      I've worked with it once
16:35 est31      and its horrible
16:36 est31      the other day I've watched a podcast about languages
16:36 est31      there were the people of Rust, Swift, Go, and the C++ creator was there as well
16:36 est31      the go dude I think mentioned c++ use at google
16:37 est31      he said thanks to c++ headers, one million lines of source code meet the compiler for one line of normal source code
16:37 est31      in some of google's projects
16:37 est31      I didnt believe it
16:38 est31      then I saw what protobuf creates
16:38 est31      that immediately changed my opinion
16:38 rubenwardy What do you mean by normal source code?
16:38 est31      source code inside the file
16:38 est31      i mean the preprocessor bloats this up
16:39 est31      thanks to #include
16:39 hmmmm      but to be fair, a lot of Google C++ projects are made overcomplicated (I'm not going to use the word overengineered, because that implies there is some merit to the design)
16:39 est31      #include is string manipulation only
16:39 hmmmm      it's not just their autogenerated spew
16:39 hmmmm      this has also got to be the worst abuse of templates ever
16:40 hmmmm      overall I'd rate this code a C-
16:40 hmmmm      this is bad to the point where it's write-once-read-never
16:41 hmmmm      i can tell because i'm trying to read it
16:41 hmmmm      I thought google people were super smart!
16:41 hmmmm      how come their code is such putrid crap
16:45 rubenwardy mega corp
16:47 est31      rubenwardy, the thing about google is: their recruitement process is very strict
16:47 est31      you have to pass lots and lots of barriers
16:48 est31      its not just the send resume get email goto interview get job
16:48 rubenwardy I'm aware
16:49 hmmmm      their recruitment process is very strict on the type of developers they want
16:50 hmmmm      i.e. people who are horrible at structuring code and trying to act smart and failing miserably by making overcomplicated code to do something very trivial
16:52 est31      idk ive read a theory on the internet that except for search and maybe maps, google never had developed any successful project themselves
16:52 est31      everything successful was an aquisition
16:52 est31      like android or youtube
16:53 est31      and lots of the things they developed on their own were miserable
16:53 est31      but you know, its a theory on the internet ...
16:53 est31      anyway gotta go
16:53 est31      bye!
16:53 hmmmm      later.
16:53 hmmmm      just wanted to point out that software usually fails for business reasons unrelated to code quality
16:53 hmmmm      but yea... this is unmaintainable
16:53 hmmmm      i don't want minetest to ever become like this
18:22 paramat    nore or mtgame devs, please could you review game#1120 ?
18:22 ShadowBot  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1120 -- Mossy cobble slab and stairs. by sofar