Time  Nick         Message
00:14 sapier       can someone please reset my minetest password and send me the new one? automatic email never does reach me. I can write a pull request to validate it's me requesting the password reset if this helps ;-)
00:14 sapier       minetest forum ;-)
00:15 jomat        sapier: The mail setup of the forum ist badly broken
00:16 jomat        no hostname for the outgoing mailserver, wrong spf record…
00:16 VanessaE     sapier: see /msg
00:19 sapier       thanks VanessaE
00:26 VanessaE     sure thing.
00:46 celeron55    wait what
00:46 celeron55    jomat: explain
00:50 jomat        celeron55: The IP 89.188.9.43 doesn't have a PTR record, a lot of mail servers will consider mails from this server as spam and therefor reject it
00:51 celeron55    it didn't have that at any point in time; why is it now that people complain
00:51 celeron55    or did it?
00:52 jomat        celeron55: But the worse problem is, that the sfp record says forum.minetest.net is sending mails only via minetest.ru (which resolves to 176.9.122.10)
00:53 jomat        celeron55: I don't know, but I had to remove those two checks from my mail setup to receive the forum mail
00:53 celeron55    it's meant to say that minetest.ru is allowed to send them in addition to the actual host; how is that done then?
00:54 jomat        celeron55: -all forbids all other servers
00:55 jomat        celeron55: "v=spf1 ip4:89.188.9.43 a:minetest.ru -all" should do it
00:59 jomat        http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#reject_unknown_client_hostname …
01:01 jomat        celeron55: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname
01:48 est31        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2132#issuecomment-165994371
01:49 est31        when was #2132 approved?
02:41 est31        <est31> https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/f192a5bc43951f7ea120877335e97efe755ac29c
02:41 est31        <est31> pushing ^ in 10 minutes
02:41 est31        <est31> this is a "trivial fix" as of the "easy push" rule.
02:42 est31        lets hope it gets in before the launchpad build
02:43 est31        otherwise we get more people with even more pitchforks around this place :)
02:43 est31        well, if it doesnt i just press the button to rebuild
03:08 est31        okay, had to press the button
09:46 celeron55    jomat: Can you re-check now
09:47 celeron55    (or maybe wait for 5 minutes first so that things actually update)
11:39 sapier       https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/f192a5bc43951f7ea120877335e97efe755ac29c oh I see minetest is now even more unpolite then a year ago. Guess I'll always add an extra blame to all bugs I fix in future too
11:42 sapier       actually I wont do that because it's childish ...
11:49 celeron55    sapier: can you test the forum's automatic email now?
11:49 celeron55    i set up the reverse dns and modified the spf to correspond to it
11:50 sapier       ok trying
11:53 Fixer        any news on that awesome farmap feature?
11:54 celeron55    i think it is appropriate to mention the author of a commit that broke something (it's information that can be useful for quickly seeing how a bug happened), but it's not appropriate to scold people in commit messages
11:54 sapier       the author of the bug is shown within the commit so it' in ther double
11:55 sapier       imho it childish but if you believe we should establish a blame society well I'm able to adopt bad habits
11:57 celeron55    meh; what i'm saying is that it's up to the person writing the commit message; as you think est31's commit message is not appropriate, you can personally ask him what's up
11:57 celeron55    i'm sure the intention is not that malicious
11:58 sapier       hmm ok maybe the empty line made me misinterpret the by sapier to be connected to the error not the commit
11:59 sapier       to be honest for mintest I'm used to worst interpretation of some sentences ;-)
12:01 celeron55    Fixer: no news; i do acknowledge i should get back to it altough it's kind of useless to say this; it's good to hear people like it enough to remind me though
12:01 sapier       I still will not extra mention the author of a commit because imho it's not necessary at all everyone who wants to know it can find it out ;-)
12:04 sapier       but it's that minor I actually never wanted to discuss a lot about it
12:06 sapier       celeron any opinion about adding mesh support for items? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3470 I think about reremoving the ingot part of it and only support file based meshes what do you think?
12:10 celeron55    i don't like the style (which should be obvious from my prior statements about stylistic things); however, i think that the most useful comments about new features like this can be heard from modders
12:11 celeron55    as it doesn't change anything by itself and just gives a new tool to them
12:12 celeron55    i don't know how to best get modder feedback to these; we really should have a standard way of doing it
12:12 sapier       I agree
12:14 sapier       as of mobs perspective I could save a couple of mob item images but that's not really a big improvement. Well ... maybe it would if i didn't already have those images. Yet I believe most obvious improvement would be for simple geometric items like ingots.
12:15 celeron55    it enables a new style for games to use for items, but the question is if anyone actually wants to use it
12:15 celeron55    or if they have a need for some changes before being able to use it
12:17 sapier       true
12:17 sapier       well it's there ppl can try it ... guess as usuall noone will do it ;-)
12:17 celeron55    i do agree that the ingot default specialization is kind of weird and even if people would ask, zero other specializations like that would be added
12:18 celeron55    personally i am not comfortable with the extra effort and skills model making requires compared to using minetest with just textures and simple nodeboxes
12:19 celeron55    it makes the whole process kind of unclean
12:19 celeron55    that has been the case for a long time already
12:20 sapier       well I could have a look if we can remove cubemesh too to get a really clean interface but I believe that's not gonna be that simple
12:21 celeron55    cubes are a sane specialization because the base world consists of cubes
12:21 celeron55    there's nothing else the base world consists of, however; certainly not of ingots
12:22 celeron55    i think ideally minetest could be used for making models for itself
12:23 celeron55    even texturing them
12:23 sapier       true as of this perspective but in inventory cubes are quite special
12:26 sapier       celeron I did not get a mail from forum by now
12:28 celeron55    i think i fixed the two issues related to it that jomat mentioned here
12:28 celeron55    not sure why it would still be broken
12:28 sapier       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3471 pushing in a few minutes to get rid of some minor issues
12:29 celeron55    i'm quite the noob in these email configuration things though
12:30 sapier       strange, as vanessae did reset my password I don't need it atm but as I'm using a quite large email provider I'd not be surprised if other ppl have same issues
12:30 celeron55    given those two problems, i am not surprised either
12:30 celeron55    but now that i fixed those, i would expect it to work
12:30 sapier       maybe it's about encryption? german mail providers did enforce some of them this year and oldest mail from forum I have is about a year old
12:31 sapier       stop last mail is from 4th june 2015 so half a year not a year
12:44 celeron55    check your spam filters; maybe they learned that forum.minetest.net mail is never good and now they're stuck filtering it always out
12:48 sapier       already did my provider spamfilter is set to mark only and local one to deliver to folder
12:51 sapier       do you have any way to check if the mail is rejected by my provider?
12:53 sapier       well just forget about it guess it's something as strange as the fact I never have commited anything to minetest (as of contributors list) ;)
12:59 sapier       anyone here willing to do a merge all those minor fixes session? I can't do it on my own as of two agreers rule
13:02 sapier       talking about  #3468 #3467 #3466 #3448 #3443 #3358 #3326 #3325 #3277 #3211  ...
13:08 sapier       wow celeron the mail arrived!
13:09 sapier       snailmail
13:09 Krock        ran a thousand times around the world
13:10 sapier       My server got it at 13:53 ... according to send date it's been sent at 12:50
13:11 sapier       more then an hour from russia to germany ... don't know how many agencys had to parse it prior delivering it
13:13 celeron55    the server is in the netherlands
13:13 sapier       even more strange ;-)
13:13 celeron55    maybe there are like ten thousand NSA boxes along the way
13:13 celeron55    one for every 100 meters
13:14 sapier       according to the email header it's been recieved by my email provider at 13:50
13:14 sapier       from someone called "everything.8dromeda.net"
13:14 celeron55    yeah it's the reverse dns name of my VPS
13:15 celeron55    i think i'll try to keep an eye on this; but as long as the mail arrives, it's much better than before when it never did at all
13:15 sapier       hmm it's been sent encrypted "esmtps" ... there shouldn't be a way for nsa boxes to do mim :-)
13:16 sapier       true an hour is strange for email but not a big deal for recovering passwords
13:16 celeron55    yeah it seems it's using TLS at least for my test message
13:17 sapier       the interesting thing is the send timestamp is exactly 1 hour off the actual send time
13:17 sapier       I mean really exactly down to seconds
13:18 celeron55    the date on that server at the moment is Sun Dec 20 15:18:13 EET 2015
13:18 celeron55    so that is right
13:18 sapier       EET?
13:18 sapier       in netherlands?
13:19 celeron55    it's finnish time because i live by finnish time
13:19 sapier       I see in this case the send time may even be correct
13:20 sapier       it's 13:22 for you true?
13:20 sapier       wait other way round 15:23
13:21 sapier       actually doesn't matter :-)
13:37 sapier       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3470 updated to not contain a special itemtype ingot as this can be done via file based mesh too
13:45 celeron55    you should update the title too :P
13:45 sapier       the removal is marked as optional thus the title is stil (kind of) valid ... and just in case no I'm not gonna update the branch name ;)
14:10 sapier       anyone else to agree to merge https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3466?
14:22 sapier       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3325 celeron this is quite helpfull for what I can read only minor issues are open ?
14:38 celeron55    well it's a blocking issue, but not that difficult to fix
14:38 celeron55    i just have a queue of things to do and that's not the first one on it
14:39 sapier       I see
14:39 sapier       just remove the wip flag once you've done it
15:39 est31        sapier, noted, wont include commiter names anymore.
15:42 est31        sapier, not time right now for PR merging session, later this evening I have
15:42 est31        but before merging https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3277
15:43 est31        I'd first merge what's piled up in weblate
15:43 est31        perhaps I sit down this evening and merge all the translation stuff.
15:43 est31        its time again :)
18:15 RealBadAngel plantlike (and all the otheres) with overriding normal map:  http://i.imgur.com/HePeu7h.png
18:17 RealBadAngel this is single normalmap for all the nodes, 1024px, imho it looks quite nice
18:20 sapier       interesting looks like toilet tiles used here in germany used som decades ago ;-)
18:21 RealBadAngel lol
18:21 RealBadAngel thats texture pack stuff, you can make them look like lego bricks for example
18:26 Krock        Lol, true. sapier :)
18:35 sapier       core.global_exists doesn't seem to work it's still triggering a warning?!
18:37 sapier       ahh misunderstood how to use it ... guess it can't be done in a  more straight forward way?
19:50 amadin2      Hi all
19:52 amadin2      How to add different textures to cart: outside and inside.
19:52 Calinou      you need to make it a mesh, rather than a nodebox
19:53 RealBadAngel make a mesh in blender, uv map it and export to .obj
19:54 amadin2      so i can't do it with cart.x?
19:54 sapier       or even better export to b3d which is way more small then obj
19:54 sapier       for what I remember there is a .x importer for blender, not sure how got it does work
19:56 amadin2      .obj is too large i see
19:56 RealBadAngel amadin, no matter the format, be it x, obj or b3d
19:56 amadin2      size no matter the format?
19:56 RealBadAngel you have to make a model in an external app
19:57 RealBadAngel irrlicht can read dozens of formats
19:57 amadin2      i undestand i have blender install but i nethe use it
19:57 RealBadAngel pick your fav one and use it
20:02 amadin2      sapier can you put name or link for importer?
20:02 amadin2      because i nether use blender before
20:03 amadin2      never i mean
20:03 Calinou      amadin2, -> #blender
20:03 Calinou      this is a development channel for Minetest :)
20:03 sapier       or just juse google ;-)
20:04 sapier       I don't have the link here but I guess google will tell you what you need to knoe
20:04 sapier       know
20:04 amadin2      ok i will try
20:05 RealBadAngel obj import/export is native
20:05 RealBadAngel http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/Import-Export/Wavefront_OBJ
20:06 RealBadAngel i believe that this plugin is built-in
20:07 Calinou      it is, and .x support just has to be enabled in add-ons
20:07 Calinou      .b3d requires a plugin though
20:07 Calinou      RealBadAngel, you should patch Irrlicht to support .iqm :)
20:07 Calinou      great format, just needs more engines to support it
20:07 RealBadAngel never heard bout it
20:07 sapier       true Calinou you need to download b3d exporter and there ain't an importer for what I know
20:08 sapier       but size reduction of factor 10 on some animated models is a big benefit of b3d
20:09 RealBadAngel size of the file when loading is not that important
20:09 Calinou      RealBadAngel, http://sauerbraten.org/iqm/
20:09 Calinou      (disregard the ugly page)
20:09 RealBadAngel at the end all take same amount of mem loaded
20:09 sapier       but it's huge difference on connecting to a server ;-)
20:10 Calinou      servers should all use remote_media…
20:10 sapier       well I should have 10 billon euros on my account too ;-)
20:11 Calinou      it's easy to set it up, takes 10 minutes
20:12 sapier       yet it's another independent system to maintain thus duplicating maintenance
20:12 Calinou      if it's failing, it doesn't prevent connection to server
20:12 sapier       so you wont even notice ... why add it at all? ;-)
20:13 sapier       AND doesn't do any difference to the fact that downloading 100mb takes more time then 10 ;-)
20:33 Calinou      it's ~10 times faster to use remote_media than not
20:34 sapier       hasn't been that fast when I last tried it
20:34 sapier       but to be honest I don't care but I won't setup a remote_media server to play singleplayer or on local lan for sure ;-)
20:35 Calinou      you don't need it on LAN
20:36 Krock        5/7 times a ;-) smiley
20:37 Krock        You're a nice and happy person, sapier :-)
20:38 sapier       sounds to me like all those fancy new web 2.0 stuff ... you don't have to do any updates or security fixes as long as you're willing to put all your personal data to cloud ... if you want to install it yourself it's just crazy ... of course you can do it but it's like 1000 times more complex then installing a regular application
20:39 sapier       has anyone of you ever tried to install docker manually without using a provided ass is appliance?
20:39 sapier       or jenkins? ... things like that ;)
21:59 Fixer        enabling shaders causes 2x FPS drop on my win7 setup, and shaders are enabled by default in MT, so people get slow MT by default
22:50 Taoki        Hi. Does object:get_properties().collisionbox no longer work in latest GIT? Apparently this is seen as null...
22:50 Taoki        I figure it might be a bug? My Creatures mod seems to crash because of it, which it didn't before.
22:56 sapier       taoki which version?
22:56 Taoki        sapier: Latest GIT master
22:56 sapier       b4eb?
22:56 Taoki        b4eb?
22:56 sapier       commit hash starting with b4eb?
22:56 Taoki        ah, hold on
22:57 Taoki        5755c9a43980930ba97fe7db56d3e0509a3e2d77
22:58 Taoki        Clearly a bug though... the collision box is always seen as nil
22:58 sapier       true but I wonder where it's originated from
22:59 Taoki        It didn't do this about two weeks or a month ago... sadly that's not a lot to go by, lots of commits since :(
23:00 est31        Taoki, what was the last working commit that you tested
23:00 Taoki        est31: I didn't note it down, sorry
23:00 Taoki        I only know it was about 3 weeks ago
23:00 est31        Taoki, git reflog usually shows it
23:00 Taoki        ok
23:01 Taoki        Seems to output kind of a mess. Also I pulled several times since and didn't test.
23:01 Taoki        Like yesterday for instance. I didn't test because of another crash, but that was fixed today.
23:02 est31        sapier, you working on it?
23:02 est31        if yes, I do the translation stuff, if no, I look at the bug
23:03 sapier       I'm debugging it right now if it's always nil it shouldn't be hard to find
23:03 est31        okay
23:03 * est31      reviewing translations
23:03 Taoki        Could you duplicate the bug for now? So I know for sure it's not some isolated circumstance in my mod, that could make testing harder
23:06 Taoki        BTW: It doesn't SEEM (I might be wrong) to happen for players. Only for objects / mobs. I believe this because the function that runs into this does math on the player's collisionbox first, but there are no complaints there... next it's on the collisionbox of a mob and there it crashes because it's nil.
23:08 sapier       hmm seems I've missed to add the facedir property to the lua push thingy too
23:10 sapier       well I think I found it
23:10 sapier       whole properties consist of nametag_color = {} only ;-)
23:12 est31        blockmen
23:12 est31        or 9eee3c3f465c071bb9908749cf48be3c131a1bdf
23:12 sapier       but I don't see what he did wrong in there
23:13 est31        (me polite xD )
23:14 est31        lua_newtable(L);
23:15 est31        src/script/common/c_content.cpp
23:15 est31        i guess thats it
23:15 est31        but i cant test it
23:15 sapier       I try
23:15 sapier       I'm gonna add the missing facedir property when changing this too
23:16 Taoki        I'll test it once it's on GIT
23:16 est31        facedir?
23:16 est31        and missing in what sense
23:16 sapier       The new property I added is missing
23:16 est31        aha
23:17 est31        when did you add it
23:17 sapier       missing as of not pushed
23:17 sapier       you already did a fix for it est31 ;-)
23:17 sapier       ok seems to work without the newtable
23:18 est31        you mean automatic_face_movement_max_rotation_per_sec?
23:18 sapier       yes
23:18 est31        ok
23:18 est31        yeah, that makes sense to get pushed
23:23 sapier       taoki should work again
23:23 sapier       hmm beeing si written with only one e is it?
23:24 est31        being yes
23:24 sapier       rewriting history
23:24 est31        its still within the ten minutes frame
23:25 Taoki        sapier: Confirming it works well now. Thanks!
23:25 sapier       taoki you might have to do a hard clone as I just have rewritten history
23:29 Taoki        RealBadAngel: I still seem to get the FPS hiccups with the new parallax mapping code. It's understandable if that can't be improved any further... just letting you know since I tested.
23:40 sapier       example of digging time calculation in lua_api.txt is quite suboptimal
23:41 est31        btw seen hybriddogs comment?
23:42 est31        he wants the facedir param you added documented in lua_api.txt
23:42 est31        makes sense
23:42 sapier       true
23:42 sapier       I'll update docs tomorrow
23:45 sapier       I can't understand the digging time example ... guess I have to read code again