Time Nick Message 11:26 Obani Guys, I thought you would like to know about this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraf 11:28 Obani Also, there is a version you can buy https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraftplus 11:48 Calinou old news 11:48 Calinou we banned SquakeCraft default names in name_restrictions in like, April 2015? 11:49 Gael-de-Sailly https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roso2kosi.castmedbu 11:49 Gael-de-Sailly another clone 11:50 Gael-de-Sailly https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.bestsandapp.obsidiancraft 11:50 Gael-de-Sailly ... 11:50 Gael-de-Sailly (list is long) 11:51 Obani damn 11:52 Gael-de-Sailly is that really a problem for Minetest ? 11:52 gravgun Yes it is 11:52 Obani It's problem of honour 11:52 gravgun It makes peple play shitty ripoffs 11:53 gravgun And it's a *legal* issue here 11:53 Obani We had an example just right now on a server 11:53 gravgun Clones isn't a problem 11:53 gravgun aren't* 11:53 Obani gravgun, make it possible to buy is legal ? 11:53 gravgun Ilegal clones are 11:53 gravgun Yea you can sell LGPL software 11:53 gravgun even GPL can be sold 11:53 gravgun as long as you provide source for the same cost 11:53 gravgun or less 11:54 gravgun If you propose a free version then the source access must be free too 11:54 gravgun In Squeake Craft's case, only the Java wrapper is accessible 11:55 gravgun The "jni" directory is nearly empty and contains a sort of broken symlink to the guys' machine 11:55 gravgun That makes it illegal since it's only partial source 11:55 gravgun The big part, that is the engine, isn't there 11:56 gravgun And since he may have modified the C++ source, his changes are distributed with his binaries 11:56 gravgun And since the binaries are publicly accessible, he's violating LGPL. 11:57 gravgun Thankfully the guys making those illegal clones are generally weak idiots 11:57 gravgun Putting a bit of pressure on them works most of the time 12:01 sapier 9af7f38e3f077ec42fcc3086c82d2676c53c84a6 ??? 12:01 Obani Uh ? 12:02 sapier this commit removes removal of redundant information on favour of passing bloated pointlists to lua ... calling it "more usefull paths" 12:05 sapier prior a path from (1,1,1) to (3,1,3) was { (1,1,1), (3,1,3) } now its { (1,1,1), (2,1,2), (3,1,3) } why not add some digit value points in between this way the path could be even more big ;-) 12:06 Gael-de-Sailly gravgun : I think this kind of clone has not any future 12:06 Gael-de-Sailly it may attract some players but not a lot 12:06 Obani Gael-de-Sailly, but it can be bought 12:06 Gael-de-Sailly and it's on android phones 12:09 Obani tablets are way more popular than PC for minetest things 12:10 Gael-de-Sailly android players are a problem for MT 12:10 Gael-de-Sailly MT is a PC game 12:11 Obani But they still are the greatest part of MT community :/ (playing) 12:12 Gael-de-Sailly I think it was a mistake to make an android version. I've not played it, but it's said to be unplayable. It brings many players and a bit of popularity, but the quality of the game is only getting worse 12:13 Obani Gael-de-Sailly, It IS unplayable :) 12:13 sapier well there have been a lot of unautorized clonse by that time, android version not beeing playable is because there's noone maintaining it ;-P 12:13 Obani Maybe because no one wants to maintain it 12:15 sapier obvious ;-) ... but don't be too upset last time I tried to start it on my lolipop phone it did immediatly crash so chances someone really plays it are minor 12:15 Gael-de-Sailly Minetest should aim the quality, not the quantity 12:16 sapier ok this is the point I'm out of discussion, I did fight to dead about philisophic usless topics in past I'm not gonna do it again 12:16 Gael-de-Sailly That's not a problem if we are only some hundreds around the world to play MT, if it's a good game 12:17 Gael-de-Sailly ok 13:01 yunfan sapier: i think official team should learn some experiece from php team, for every release, they add some hot and tested extensions and drop some not that hot or proved harmful extensions 13:02 yunfan for MT case, it should be some core modules that could enhance the game playing 13:04 sapier I'm not in position to decide anything and if I remember correct there's never been a lack of ideas in minetest team but in ppl doing it ;) 13:05 yunfan also a universal storage interface should be added for the lua script, i have played a minecraft clone which i modified some modules , and i found there're no standard on storage, some use plain file as the store while other use sqlite 13:22 Wayward_One I use Minetest on Android quite often... it works well enough for me 13:27 yunfan hey, i just downloaded the sourcecode from github(master) and built a client, and i found that the chest response very laaaaag even in my local server 13:29 sapier I realized this for regular pc client too 13:29 sapier even in singleplayer 13:30 yunfan i guess 2 reason: 1, udp; 2, does chest modules needs to syncing to filesystem everytime it has changed? 13:31 yunfan will check that 13:46 yunfan by quickly checking the code , it looks like chest store items by the node's meta data 13:48 sapier that's what I remember too 13:51 yunfan do you still play the game? 13:51 yunfan i found the lua module system give me lots of fun 13:52 yunfan i could easy check the code and gains 13:53 sapier I didn't do anything for minetest for quite some time but I'm fixing some long run bugs in animals_modpack atm trying to get a release till christmas 13:53 sapier and obviously I have to play minetest to find those bugs ;-) 13:53 yunfan :] 13:54 yunfan authors often didnt get much fun playing the game campared to just players 13:55 sapier true writing is more fun :-) but to find the bugs you've got to play yourself 13:56 sapier and for some bugs you even require some time to realize it's abug 13:58 yunfan i think for sandbox game like mt, if you know too much rules, especially the rules are created by you, then you lost some fun. 13:58 sapier that's why animals_mod uses some randomness ;-) 13:58 yunfan when i running a minecraft smp server, the op role has just let me lost all fun from the game :[ 13:59 yunfan becasue i could get everything i want, then i wont feel great when digging :] 13:59 sapier cheating always ruins fun ;-) 14:00 yunfan but bug using are different 15:01 luizrpgluiz would have any problems in using the torque to make the game? 15:32 Calinou won't happen. 15:32 Calinou Torque 3D is not made for voxel games 19:51 sapier https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3454 whoever does maintain the play store build plz check this pull 19:51 VanessaE omg 19:51 VanessaE the prodigal son returns :) 19:52 sapier hmmm not sure what to think about this comment ... *looking up prodigal in dictionary* 19:52 VanessaE it means someone who has gone missing for a long time has returned 19:52 sapier ahhh 19:52 VanessaE it's something of a compliment. 19:52 sapier thanks 19:52 Fixer "dependencys" 19:53 VanessaE anyway I think nrz handles the play store app 19:53 sapier argh ... why is it always some sort of spelling mistake commented first? ;-) 19:53 sapier or coding style 19:54 VanessaE because they're easiest to spot? ;) 22:04 sapier https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2132 is for android too ... don't know why this wasn't merged ages ago