Time  Nick           Message
00:06 paramat        will push game#620 very soon
00:06 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/620 -- Flowers: Add sporeless mushrooms by paramat
00:30 paramat        now pushing 620
00:45 paramat        complete
04:40 hmmmm          hrhm
13:42 srifqi         any news about #2561 ?
13:42 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2561 -- Add mapgen settings to create world dialog by srifqi
13:46 VanessaE       paramat:  plantlife's former mushrooms mod has been adapted to use the default ones (using game commit 408ee69f)
16:12 paramat        ok
16:21 paramat        hi nore sfan5 here's the stair commit game#629 can i push later? and here's the jungle textures commit game#627 any comments/approval?
16:21 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/629 -- Stairs: Add straw and metal blocks by paramat
16:21 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/627 -- Default: New darker jungletree_top and junglewood textures by paramat
16:22 VanessaE       G*d this FPS regression sucks
16:23 sfan5          paramat: 627 is good
16:23 nore           paramat: 629 is good too
16:23 VanessaE       paramat: +1
16:23 sfan5          I'd like nore's input on the new texture thoo..
16:23 sfan5          ok nevermind
16:24 VanessaE       also, after freeze, remove those "upside down" nodes and use an ABM to convert them to 6dfacedir
16:24 nore           I'm ok with 627 too
16:24 paramat        thanks
16:24 sfan5          hm
16:25 sfan5          paramat: 629 ok too
16:25 paramat        unsure about straw? i was too
16:25 paramat        kinda neutral
16:25 nore           straw stairs are a bit strange, but make sense when used for rooftops
16:26 paramat        yeah seems popular with sokomine
16:27 paramat        Vanessa there is an abm for replacing upside-down nodes with 6d facedir
16:27 nore           btw, for a future release, perhaps we could include generated structures (villages, etc.) to make mapgen even more interesting
16:27 VanessaE       there is?
16:27 VanessaE       well in that case remove the node defs
16:27 nore           sfan5, paramat: what do you think about it?
16:28 paramat        nore that would be excellent
16:28 nore           VanessaE: they are still there for very old maps
16:28 paramat        that replace abm should be removed i think
16:28 nore           although maybe it could be disabled by default, and enabled with a setting
16:28 nore           so people with very old maps would still be able to keep them
16:28 VanessaE       nore: an ABM to convert them means the old nodes don't need to be defined anymore.
16:29 nore           wait, you can do an ABM on nodes that are not defined?
16:30 paramat        i noticed the stairs mod adds node defs for every material, not good
16:30 sfan5          nore: villages? surely a nice idea, but it needs to integrate with the rest too
16:30 sfan5          like e.g. chests in villages
16:30 sfan5          so it's a bit more work than just adding village generation
16:30 paramat        well just a few isolated houses would be fine
16:31 nore           sfan5: chests in villages can be done, (remember mg)
16:31 paramat        villages is problematic and heavy
16:31 paramat        best a mod thing
16:31 nore           paramat: well, isolated houses are a bit lonely
16:31 paramat        hehe
16:31 paramat        small clusters of houses then
16:32 nore           that could be good too
16:32 sfan5          nore: I'm not saying it can't be done but i mean that it does not suffice to just add some houses and be done with it, integration with the test of _game is needed to
16:32 sfan5          too*
16:32 nore           yes, I agree with that
16:33 nore           the question is how much integration we want
16:34 nore           should the villages just use the materials provided by other mods in _game, or should them interact with the game in some way?
16:34 sfan5          so much that villages are not just "oh a village, time to farm some wood and cobble"
16:34 paramat        the replace abm has been in effect long enough, pilzadam won't like it but i think we can remove this heavy abm now
16:34 sfan5          or disable it by default, paramat
16:34 nore           paramat: just add a setting to enable it again
16:35 paramat        okay in .conf
16:36 sfan5          nore: just use the materials imo, it would be pretty nice to have something unique to villages though (like something you can only acquite in a village)
16:36 nore           sfan5: to prevent that, there should be benefits to not destroying a village then
16:36 paramat        i wonder if we can remove the upside-down node defs, those are being generated for all the new materials too
16:37 nore           paramat: put it in the same setting as for the abm
16:37 paramat        okay
16:39 paramat        the replace abm has been in effect for 2 years, i would much rather just remove it completely
16:40 sfan5          https://xkcd.com/1172/
16:41 paramat        oh yes that one
16:42 Krock          LOL
16:43 paramat        oh about mese ore glowing, looks bad, i'd like to remove the light
16:43 paramat        the stone node lights up
16:43 sfan5          it does?
16:43 sfan5          i like it
16:43 paramat        mese block glowing is okay
16:44 nore           well, I think a dim glow for mese ore is good, since the block glows too
16:45 paramat        okay i'll recheck how it looks
16:45 paramat        maybe i remember how it looked before paramtype = light was added
16:48 paramat        RBA is working on a new PR for game#626 i'll merge it when i see it
16:48 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/626 -- Add needed tileable flags for grass nodes by RealBadAngel
16:51 paramat        okay i'll add a setting for the replace abm and disable by default
16:53 VanessaE       regarding leaf decay, is it safe to finally throw out the code I use in moretrees?
16:53 VanessaE       (sorry, offtopic a bit, but I'm working on that mod at the moment)
16:59 paramat        dunno what was the problem?
17:00 VanessaE       leaf decay used to be fairly slow on very large quantities of leaves due to how often the decay ABM runs.
17:01 VanessaE       so I used my own, less-often-running code. est31 had an idea to speed up the default decay.
17:01 VanessaE       just wondered if that ever went in.
17:03 nore           VanessaE: I think it hasn't even been coded yet
17:04 VanessaE       ok.
17:04 paramat        correct not even coded
17:05 paramat        oh crumbs leafdecay is interval 2
17:06 VanessaE       THAT is why I asked.
17:06 VanessaE       I'd like to discontinue this code in moretrees if at all possible.
17:07 paramat        we should tweak the interval and chance
17:08 paramat        longer interval smaller chance value
17:09 VanessaE       moretrees uses an interval of 2, chance 100, nearness radius 5 (except for palms, those have a radius of 12)
17:09 paramat        interval 5 chance 2 might be equivalent and more efficient
17:09 paramat        because the search is the heavy part
17:13 paramat        yes it's equivalent, i'll make a PR for interval 5 chance 2
17:26 paramat        actually the search is in the engine, the action is in lua and is the heavy part, so it's smoother to have a short interval and higher chance value
17:27 paramat        problem is players expect a certain leafdecay rate, it may be unpopular to make it slower
17:27 paramat        so yes it really needs doing in the engine
17:28 paramat        my mapgens never have leafdecay
17:31 VanessaE       now about jungle trees... the default mapgen generates such dense jungle regions (when they're enabled at all) that there's no room for moretrees' versions to grow.  Is there any mod-friendly solution to this?
17:34 kaeza          so set_noiseparams() sets a config variable to "serialized" noise parameters, right? I think that is not very obvious to the user, and not consistent with the other settings functions (setting_set_bool, setting_get_pos, etc)
17:44 Taoki          Is hardware lighting still on the developer's list? Now that RBA retreated in the mountains, since he was the one who was going to work on it.
17:44 Taoki          I assume he'll still do it in his fork, then we can back port it... was curious in either case.
17:45 Taoki          That's one of the changes I'm looking forward to the most.
17:45 paramat        VanessaE, in mgv6 noise param 'mgv6_np_trees' controls tree density for appletrees and jungletrees
17:45 paramat        so you will end up with sparse appletree forests too
17:45 VanessaE       damn.
17:45 paramat        in mgv5/v7 the decorations have individual parameters for each tree
17:46 paramat        in mgv5/v7 jungletrees have a fixed density, you would just reduce the 'fill ratio'
17:47 paramat        (fixed = no noise variation)
17:47 VanessaE       nah, won't work here unfortunately.
17:49 paramat        lighting changes may be done by hmmmmm in future, not sure it will be 'hardware'
17:49 paramat        hopefully we might get realtime shadows ported from the new fork
17:50 Taoki          Hardware is essential. Current lighting system is a hack we really want to get rid of (or at least, me and RBA and other developers). Modern lighting won't be possible without that, so hopefully so.
17:51 Taoki          Shadows might be possible without, but they'd probably be a hack and not as correct as them being a cut in a real light source.
17:51 paramat        okay so how about interval 2 chance 10 for leafdecay? half the rate. the way that abms 'catch up' when returning to an area will clean up any mess quickly enough
17:52 VanessaE       sounds good to me.
17:52 * Taoki        will hope that some developer doesn't do anything that will anger hmmmmm and make him leave the project and start a fork too.
17:53 paramat        lol
17:53 paramat        someone already did a while back
17:53 Taoki          Ouch
17:53 paramat        if hmmmmm left his fork would be 'the project' hehe
17:55 Taoki          You know what? This makes me wonder: Could Github be theoretically configured to facilitate sharing commits between multiple forks? Biggest issue here are of course GIT conflicts, which need to be solved manually and are a pain, which is why this isn't very doable. But if everyone could have a git master repo of their own, set to auto-sync with the main one... that might be neat.
17:56 Taoki          Then every angry developer (or developer who wants to go their own way for any reason) could start a fork, but useful changes are automatically shared. But again, the problem is GIT conflicts, which are inevitable eventually.
17:56 Taoki          So instead of people having Minetest forks, they just have places where they put their own changes. I guess it's kinda the same thing as what's possible and done already, but I'm thinking of something better automated.
18:13 paramat        now pushing game 627
18:17 paramat        complete
18:18 est31          ok, about the 0.4.13 release
18:19 est31          I'm afk for the next few days, so what do you think about the target date being wednesday the 19th?
18:20 paramat        fine for me
18:21 est31          paramat, or other mtgame devs, can you give mtgame the 0.4.13 release label the next few days?
18:21 VanessaE       fine by me, barring any blockers yet to be fixed.
18:21 est31          yes ofc
18:21 est31          just nobody should just give the next person who comes around with a crash the blocker label
18:21 est31          we had this with the "error in error handling" errors
18:22 est31          ofc if multiple people experience the issue, it has to be solved
18:23 est31          There are two open blockers right now, both to be solved by me
18:23 paramat        yes we'll tag mtgame in time for wed
18:24 est31          (one is a regression caused by me, the other is a problem caused by the forum switch)
19:05 VanessaE       paramat: do you plan to add anything else to mt_game before the release?
19:08 paramat        yeah: new grass texture, extra stairs/slabs, tweaked leafdeacy abm params
19:08 VanessaE       ok
19:08 VanessaE       I'll wait then.
19:09 paramat        that is if new leafdecay params are approved
19:09 VanessaE       I just fixed that moretrees bug I mentioned, and between it and other changes, I'll need to resync dreambuilder against mt-game so it can be used there also
19:10 paramat        oh and i might try to get my improved stone/desertstone brick textures in too
19:10 VanessaE       link?
19:12 paramat        nothing to see yet
19:12 VanessaE       ok.
19:16 VanessaE       paramat: shall I close game#611?
19:16 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/611 -- Junglewood texture too light, boring
19:17 paramat        sure
19:20 paramat        too light! ... boring!
19:20 VanessaE       heh
19:21 paramat        name suggestions for the new fork: 'minerock!' 'shinyminey'
19:22 Krock          `mapgen4life`?
19:22 est31          minerswithears
19:23 luizrpgluiz    greatly appreciated pinetrees trees now appearing worldwide generator in the release candidate and could enable the minimap :D
19:41 kilbith        for the record, i stayed around this during 10 min and the map refused to load the mapblock at all : https://lut.im/YBObh1vG/lMvMyemq
19:43 paramat        weird
19:45 kilbith        yes, definitely somme issue to load the mapblocks : https://lut.im/aqlekjL9/kjOehbRq
19:45 kilbith        i can stay around that permanently, never load
19:46 paramat        maybe due to setting a low 'max mapblock number'? < est31
19:46 est31          if you try to log out and back in?
19:46 est31          paramat, it shouldnt do that
19:47 kilbith        est31, yes i did that, then it occurs on different mapblocks
19:47 est31          paramat, if it deleted that block, it would have said that the server too
19:47 est31          then the server would re-send the mapblock once you get close
19:48 est31          kilbith, can you try the commit before my max mapblock commit?
19:48 kilbith        sure, but not now
19:48 kilbith        tomorrow
19:49 paramat        what number of mapblocks do you limit too?
19:49 paramat        (to)
19:49 kilbith        to be kept in RAM ?
19:49 kilbith        i set it to 10
19:50 kilbith        but even then, it shouldnt do that
19:50 paramat        lol 10
19:50 nrzkt          50 maybe better
19:50 kilbith        what "lol 10" ?
19:51 paramat        1 mapchunk = 125 mapblocks
19:52 kilbith        https://lut.im/45pAHonh/k6valG6G
19:53 kilbith        that happened online too
19:54 celeron55      guys. just don't set it to 10
19:54 celeron55      there's no valid reason to do that anyway
19:54 kilbith        if the setting is allowed, why not ?
19:55 celeron55      what's the point of settings if you limit them like for a baby that shouldn't touch the settings anyway?
19:55 kilbith        i'll check with 1000
19:55 celeron55      i mean, that's not ideal of course, but there are way more important things
19:55 celeron55      use defaults if you have no reason to do otherwise
19:57 paramat        1000 is quite low, 8 mapchunks, the visible world with 80 nodes view distance
19:57 celeron55      if this value is put in the UI, then it should be limited in the UI, but otherwise who cares
19:59 kilbith        okay, that does not happen with 1000
19:59 kilbith        problem was setting 10
19:59 celeron55      1000 is very low; it's like 10MB or something
20:00 kilbith        maybe the floor-limit should be set to 100 or so
20:00 celeron55      (actually maybe more like 20-30MB)
20:01 nore           perhaps it should be set to 10000 then
20:01 nore           avec 200MB is not a lot on most devices
20:01 est31          if it really is 200 MB in that case
20:01 celeron55      there's no reason to set it higher than necessary though
20:02 est31          I guess it highly depends on texture pack useage
20:02 celeron55      if 1000 works for everyone, there's no reason to set it higher
20:02 kilbith        agreed
20:02 nore           est31: what is the link with texture packs ?
20:02 est31          nore, ??
20:02 nore           1000 can be quite low if you have a high render distance
20:02 est31          yes
20:03 est31          but then you can set the limit high.
20:03 nore           est31: I mean, I mean, how is this related to texture packs
20:03 celeron55      well i guess maybe 10000 wouldn't hurt
20:03 nore           (sorry, that was a crappy translation earlier)
20:03 celeron55      the optimal value depends on server settings too
20:04 nore           or, the best could be to set the limit depending on how much memory the machine has
20:04 celeron55      if the server sends blocks further away than 5 blocks, then the server will end up sending way more blocks than it should have to
20:04 est31          also note that mapblocks dont just store the actual mapblocks
20:04 est31          but the whole irrlicht mesh
20:04 est31          and more
20:04 est31          this adds to the ram as well
20:05 celeron55      yes; the mesh is generally about the same size as the voxel data IIRC
20:05 VanessaE       1000 isn't enough when I'm testing a plantlife map
20:05 VanessaE       just fyi.
20:05 VanessaE       just found this out today
20:05 celeron55      (the voxel data is about 12 or 16kB)
20:05 kilbith        reason(s) ?
20:05 celeron55      VanessaE: tell us what the minimum value is for your usage
20:06 VanessaE       celeron55: in my particular case, just a very rough guess would be around 5k blocks.
20:06 VanessaE       BUT my usecase here is not typical of a normal user
20:06 celeron55      i'd say then the default should be 5000
20:06 est31          I think that minetest shouldn't take more than 500 MB
20:06 celeron55      because that doesn't hurt even mobile phones yet
20:06 est31          taken together
20:06 est31          with minetest_game
20:06 Calinou        most of our desktop users have 4 GB of RAM
20:06 est31          & in singleplayer
20:06 Calinou        we can afford to take 1 GB
20:06 est31          no
20:06 VanessaE       1GB is too much.
20:06 est31          we should think of our low profile users
20:07 est31          its like the c++11 discussion
20:07 kilbith        the next-gen hybrid tablets are often 2 GB RAM
20:07 VanessaE       est31 is right, 500 MB ought to be the rough max for vanilla default game
20:07 Calinou        make it fit in actual 500 MB and we'll talk
20:07 celeron55      well the thing is, it's again ridiculous to try to make the same setting fit a low end and a high end setup
20:07 Calinou        inb4 it never happens
20:07 celeron55      this value should depend on the view range or something
20:07 est31          celeron55, agree
20:08 nore           well, it could be added to mainmenu too
20:08 nore           in an "Advanced settings" tab
20:08 est31          we need a second settings tab
20:08 est31          for other things too
20:08 nore           and there could be groups of settings that would change a lot of settings
20:09 nore           for low-end/high-end hardware
20:09 nore           so inexperienced users would just have to change 1 setting
20:09 celeron55      since that doesn't exist yet, the default should be made such that it fixes the problem it was made to fix and does not considerably degrade the experience of people using high performance computers
20:09 nore           and experienced ones could precisely tune what they want
20:09 celeron55      i'd say that because of what VanessaE said, 1000 isn't enough
20:09 nore           celeron55: agreed
20:09 est31          nore, nice idea
20:10 nore           5000/10000 should do it I think
20:10 est31          have three big sliders: RAM, CPU and GFX card
20:10 kilbith        i still don't understand why plantlife needs more than 1000
20:10 celeron55      kilbith: increase your view range and block send radius to something rather high and walk to somewhere and turn back
20:11 nore           kilbith: I'd say to be able to explore the map (with full view range) to see if plants are correctly spawned
20:11 celeron55      i would imagine you will see that much unnecessary loading has to be done when turning
20:11 Calinou        we also need a view range slider in options GUI
20:11 celeron55      i vote 5000
20:12 est31          if you set full view range, you already leave the defaults
20:12 kilbith        alright
20:12 est31          if you leave the defaults, you can adjust that setting too
20:12 est31          celeron55, 5000 sounds like a good compromise
20:12 paramat        i like a 128 node view distance, that's 3x3x3 mapchunks = 27x125 = 3375 mapblocks
20:12 VanessaE       kilbith: *plantlife* needs only whatever the engine gives it.  the *client* needs a lot in this case because I was exploring the terrain checking for bugs in some changes I had just made, and noticed some far away stuff disappeared when I would have rather been able to see it.
20:13 celeron55      i like a 400 node view distance
20:13 Calinou        I use 256 view distance, fsaa = 4
20:13 Calinou        all shaders on
20:13 celeron55      it's just that my current computer can't really deal with that 8)
20:13 celeron55      so i'm limited to 300
20:13 paramat        so 5000 sounds good to me
20:14 nore           looks good to me too
20:15 kilbith        talking about viewing range, you have more performance if you set the same value for _min and _max
20:16 kilbith        no "back and forth" shit of the v_range
20:17 celeron55      hmm, i just tested; yes, 1000 is definitely too low; with 5000 i haven't noticed unnecessarily loaded blocks with the same test
20:18 celeron55      the test for this is to walk some hundreds of nodes (going a bit faster than just walking is fine, but not at full speed), and then turning to look back
20:18 celeron55      with 1000, i can see only a very small distance; smaller than what i was seeing forward at that point
20:18 celeron55      with 5000 i could see pretty much where i walked from
20:19 celeron55      and this with a view range of 300
20:20 celeron55      and "max_block_generate_distance = 16" and "max_block_send_distance = 16"
20:21 celeron55      (yes, these are very non-default, but that's what i use)
20:44 est31          man this modstore is a huge piece of a mess
21:00 est31          hmmmm, there are also async worker threads in mainmenu lua
21:01 est31          regarding the discussion of "which lua can make errors"
21:01 est31          err
21:01 est31          "which threads run lua"
21:24 paramat        looks like i won't need to add 'enable_stairs_replace_abm = false' to mtgame minetest.conf because it's absence is interpreted as 'nil'
21:26 est31          ok
21:26 est31          but add it to conf.example
21:26 est31          of mtgame
21:27 paramat        yes is documented
21:27 VanessaE       don't forget to get rid of those redundant node defs then
21:28 est31          abms work on nodes without nodedefs?
21:28 VanessaE       yep
21:29 sfan5          it's not like an ABM needs any stuff from the nodedef
21:29 est31          well, internally abms could work on the internal nodedef id
21:29 est31          and not on those long pesky strings
21:29 est31          it would make sense performance wise
21:31 paramat        updated then game#629
21:31 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/629 -- Stairs: Add straw and metal blocks by paramat
21:31 paramat        setting also disables the upside-down node defs
21:32 paramat        will test and push later
21:32 est31          found yet another argument against touching the param0
21:33 VanessaE       paramat: nono, don't define those nodes at all
21:33 VanessaE       you don't need them, whether the replace ABM is active or not
21:33 est31          why
21:33 est31          if its not active, then its rendered upside down, no?
21:33 est31          but better than unknown nodes, no?
21:34 VanessaE       I don't see anything in the stairs mod that *places* upside down items anymore
21:35 VanessaE       so if the ABM is no longer needed, then by definition neither are the separate, upside down nodes :)
21:35 VanessaE       (the current code just flips the item over via param2)
21:36 est31          isnt the abm a new thing
21:36 est31          also, its only turned off by default
21:36 est31          it cant work without nodedefs
21:36 VanessaE       no
21:36 est31          nodenames = {"group:slabs_replace"},
21:36 VanessaE       you don't need node defs to match in an ABM
21:36 est31          https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/629/files#diff-d85e6749f6707aa8b7c089afb33ccdecR227
21:37 est31          how do you know the group if you have no nodedef?
21:37 VanessaE       groups may be a different matter.
21:37 paramat        seems to me the node defs are needed to add 'replace name' and 'groups replace' to the old nodes so the abm can act on them?
21:37 est31          so the nodedefs should be registered depending on the abm setting
21:37 VanessaE       yeah, I guess so
21:38 paramat        as is
21:38 VanessaE       I hate keeping old code like this around.
21:38 est31          its old code inside if false then end
21:39 paramat        i wanted to remove the abm completely but am in minority
21:39 paramat        so my implementation is fine then?
21:40 VanessaE       yeah
21:42 est31          VanessaE, can you test #3058
21:42 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3058 -- Modstore: show an ui error if retrieving failed by est31
21:43 VanessaE       sure.
21:43 est31          and hmmmm can you look at it?
21:43 est31          (or other devs)
21:44 est31          VanessaE, write in github, im gone
21:44 est31          bye
21:44 VanessaE       I hate when he does that :P
22:21 paramat        tested so now pushing game 629
22:25 paramat        complete
22:35 sloantothebone How do I fix minetest issues on github? or suggest fixes
22:36 sloantothebone https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A0.4.13
22:40 VanessaE       [08-14 18:38] <freelikegnu> adding straw and metal blocks while bronze is causing kittens to die?!
22:40 sloantothebone ...
22:40 VanessaE       ^^^^ solution:  add tin, silver, and mithril from moreores, and make bronze use tin+copper like it SHOULD be.
22:41 sloantothebone Oh
22:41 sloantothebone How do I fix minetest issues on github? or suggest fixes
22:41 VanessaE       steel + copper = the stupidest recipe in the world for bronze :P
22:41 VanessaE       sloantothebone: you referenced the .conf.example.  Open that file on github with the online editor, change it, and make a pull request.
22:41 sloantothebone Maybe i could fix the inconsistent .conf.example
22:42 sloantothebone Online editor?
22:42 VanessaE       ywas
22:42 VanessaE       yes*
22:43 VanessaE       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
22:43 sloantothebone Ok im at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example what do i do next
22:43 VanessaE       above the file, on the right is a pencil and a trash can
22:43 sloantothebone oh i see
22:44 VanessaE       make your changes, add a comment in the fields below the file, and click "Propose file change"
22:44 VanessaE       (I think -- I've always done this by editing the file locally, pushing it to my fork, and making a PR from there)
22:45 sloantothebone Ok
22:46 sloantothebone And I'm not sure i completely understand the graphical regression
22:46 * VanessaE     pokes kaeza
22:46 kaeza          ow
22:46 VanessaE       ha!
22:50 sloantothebone These two issues seem trivial
22:50 VanessaE       #2866 needs fixed before release imho
22:50 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2866 -- Graphical regression.
22:51 VanessaE       this whole "simple shaders" in fact needs addressed.
22:51 sloantothebone Hmm
22:51 sloantothebone How can i help to fix it_
22:51 VanessaE       hm, just noticed it was an 0.4.13 milestone.  doesn't mean it'll stay that way :P
22:51 VanessaE       sloantothebone: are you ad all versed in glsl? :)
22:51 sloantothebone How can i help to fix it?*
22:52 VanessaE       at*
22:52 sloantothebone dont know what that is, guessing its a graphics library
22:52 VanessaE       that would be a "no" :P
22:52 sloantothebone Yup
22:52 VanessaE       it's the shading language used by OpenGL.
22:53 sloantothebone How many people are versed in glsl and working on minetest?
22:53 VanessaE       one.
22:53 sloantothebone Who?
22:53 * VanessaE     looks at kahrl
22:53 VanessaE       (seeing as how RBA has left)
22:53 sloantothebone There is nobody named kahrl in this irc
22:54 sloantothebone How do i get versed in glsl
22:54 VanessaE       same way as in any other language - pour through the web :)
22:55 VanessaE       glsl is rather similar to C/C++, just with a different target platform
23:03 sloantothebone Oh ok
23:04 paramat        game#631
23:04 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/631 -- Default/functions: Half rate of leafdecay ABM by paramat
23:05 VanessaE       +1
23:17 kahrl          the last time I touched minetest's shaders was when they were introduced...
23:18 kahrl          at which point they were trivial shaders that basically only served to move finalColorBlend from the cpu to the gpu
23:18 kahrl          I have no clue how any of RBA's more recent stuff works
23:19 VanessaE       kahrl: it seems that your original shader code may be needed again.
23:19 VanessaE       (as the "simple" shaders previously discussed)
23:26 kahrl          well I think a simple shader could still include some effects like waving
23:26 kahrl          it doesn't have to be *that* bare ;)
23:27 VanessaE       heh
23:27 VanessaE       right
23:28 paramat        one thing that needs doing is improving our waving motion
23:28 paramat        needs noise with more high frequency motion
23:29 VanessaE       agreed
23:29 paramat        another one #3061
23:29 ShadowBot      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3061 -- Defaultsettings: Increase client_mapblock_limit to 5000 by paramat
23:29 VanessaE       and water needs to wave only on the top surface (at present, the bottom vertexes that make up the sides also wave, which looks bad in some cases)
23:37 VanessaE       someone, somewhere, is gonna complain that 5000 doesn't add up to a nice, round number :)
23:37 VanessaE       (in which case, one of 4096, 4913, or 8000 is better :P )
23:50 paramat        aha waving plants are moved by a smoothed triangle wave, we need noise with octaves instead
23:51 paramat        this is a bit beyond me though