Time  Nick         Message
00:03 RealBadAngel ok
00:03 RealBadAngel how that feels? https://imgrush.com/Qh7JBrh-8dvp.png
00:19 Taoki        RealBadAngel: Looks very nice :)
00:19 Taoki        On a different note: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2811
00:20 Taoki        If anyone wishes to look into that sometime
00:44 technoma`    what's the word for when you have keys that act as modifiers or non-modifiers depending on whether they're held or tapped?
00:44 technoma`    oops; wrong channel
00:45 RealBadAngel *** Error in `./bin/minetest': corrupted double-linked list: 0x00007fd0a000ecd0 ***
00:45 RealBadAngel who feels responsible for that?
01:06 Taoki        OldCoder: Poke
01:06 Taoki        (sorry, in the other channel #minetest , this isn't dev related)
01:11 RealBadAngel Taoki, when you are checkin you should rather PEEK instead of POKE
01:11 Taoki        That works :)
01:12 RealBadAngel but that way it looks like youre bashin some1 in the head with a hammer asking: alive or not?
01:13 RealBadAngel segfault will means hes not alive ;)
02:06 OldCoder     RealBadAngel, the peek is to poke
02:07 RealBadAngel OldCoder, im refering to old days and ZX Spectrum Basic
02:08 RealBadAngel peek is to check, poke is to write
02:09 RealBadAngel a memory cell, ofc
02:11 * OldCoder   knows
02:11 OldCoder     Those were the new daya
02:11 OldCoder     Those were the new days *
02:12 RealBadAngel so more corect should be:
02:12 RealBadAngel if PEEK OldCoder > 0 then write "Hello" ;)
02:12 OldCoder     peek = poke(1)
02:12 OldCoder     Yes
02:12 OldCoder     No
02:13 OldCoder     If peek(OldCodger) > 0 then poke(OldCodger)
02:13 OldCoder     If peek(OldCodger) > 0 then poke(OldCodger,"0x01")
02:13 RealBadAngel "codger" rotfl ;)
02:30 paramat      hmmmmm pushing soon https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2789 'Mgv7: Edit noise parameters'
03:25 Zeno`        Does anyone understand the requirement for this do-while: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2795/files#diff-65f34680878a6bd86f3a59ebc0c06c6dR3373
03:26 VanessaE     zeno! *pounce*
03:26 Zeno`        oh oh
03:26 * Zeno`      hides
03:27 Zeno`        maybe it's a strange way to avoid using goto
03:28 VanessaE     I'd have done "while true; do ... done" (or whatever the exact C++ syntax is)
03:28 Zeno`        this is do { } while (false); though
03:28 Zeno`        it must be to avoid goto
03:30 VanessaE     good point
03:32 paramat      now pushing 2789
03:33 Zeno`        lol (ironically) it would have been better and clearer to use goto
03:33 Zeno`        break; is effectively a C-type goto (i.e. local jump) anyway
03:36 RealBadAngel Zeno`, have you saw report about lists crashes?
03:36 Zeno`        no..
03:37 paramat      complete
03:37 Zeno`        RealBadAngel, link?
03:38 RealBadAngel Zeno`, http://pastebin.com/retyxwFX
03:38 RealBadAngel thats all
03:39 paramat      please could the HP bug be fixed soon? drives me nuts =)
03:41 Zeno`        RBA, will look into it
03:42 Zeno`        for everybody's info: I've been away because first my modem broke and I had to wait for a new one; and then it turned out it wasn't my modem after all and I've had no internet (basically)
03:42 Zeno`        but I'm back now :)
03:42 Zeno`        I'll do the HP fix as well.. pretty sure I have a patch already
03:43 Zeno`        RealBadAngel, hoow do you know that's from lists?
03:43 Zeno`        and by lists do you mean these inventory list things?
03:43 RealBadAngel ask the one who reported it
03:44 RealBadAngel im just passing it by
03:44 Zeno`        yeah, just noticed that hehe
03:44 Zeno`        I wish people would supply test cases
03:44 paramat      cool =)
03:44 Zeno`        I hate writing Lua (hehe)
03:44 Zeno`        I suppose I could use world edit
03:45 RealBadAngel btw, https://imgrush.com/tuH6QNkKtYAO.png
03:45 paramat      good to have you back
03:45 RealBadAngel its almost complete
03:45 Zeno`        looks awesome, RBA! :)
03:45 RealBadAngel paramt, i think thats the reason for you to start using shaders
03:45 Zeno`        paramat, the break did me good anyway
03:45 RealBadAngel you will be able to see your mapgen in action way better
03:46 Zeno`        shaders do not work at all on Android for some reason :(
03:46 Zeno`        not on any device or emulator I've tested anyway
03:46 RealBadAngel shaders  need GPU, thats why :)
03:46 paramat      RBA is it possible for the minimap lighting to always come from top or top-left even when it rotates?
03:47 paramat      looks really good
03:47 RealBadAngel yeah, you can just set its position
03:47 paramat      okay, from above is best
03:47 paramat      erm from top-left would be best
03:48 RealBadAngel atm its 0, 0.5, 1.0
03:48 Zeno`        RealBadAngel, my android has a GPU :p
03:48 RealBadAngel Zeno`, or you were just told that ;)
03:49 Zeno`        lol
03:49 RealBadAngel unless we are talking bout x86 android and real box
03:49 Zeno`        I have nfi what it is
03:49 Zeno`        Samsung Galaxy S6
03:49 Zeno`        pretty sure it's ARM
03:50 RealBadAngel i will take a closer look on this devices (i do have galaxy tab 3)
03:50 RealBadAngel but atm i do have more important things to code
03:51 Zeno`        true enough
03:59 Zeno`        Ok, I was really just dropping in to tell everyone why I'd be away. I will be back later (properly) tonight, and tomorrow onwards :)
03:59 Zeno`        O/
04:04 hmmmmm       paramat:  Looks okay to me I guess
04:04 hmmmmm       really never even thought about the periodicity of mgv7
04:05 hmmmmm       Zeno`:  whenever you see do { ... } while (0), it should probably be a separate function :p
04:06 paramat      cool
04:06 Zeno`        hmmmmm, I would agree ;-)
04:06 Zeno`        but even goto would have been better than the do while construct hehe
04:06 hmmmmm       perhaps yeah
04:07 hmmmmm       I think keeping large blocks of code like that out of a separate function is a Carmack-ism
04:07 hmmmmm       this is something he strongly advocates that I can't really get my head around
04:08 hmmmmm       it's not advantageous from an optimization standpoint and atrocious from an organizational one.
04:10 Zeno`        I dunno what's causing it
04:10 Zeno`        there seems to be an aversion to using functions; I raised it once with Warr and he said he didn't make it a function because it would only be used once (like the only reason for functions is reusability :/)
04:11 Zeno`        I like what the Linux Coding Guidelines say about functions
04:11 Warr1024     I don't have an aversion to functions, I have an aversion to large, difficult-to-review diffs.
04:11 Zeno`        It wasn't you anyway, I was about to correct myself
04:12 Zeno`        :)
04:12 Zeno`        I think maybe it was est31... don't really know no
04:12 hmmmmm       celeron was the one who said that I thought
04:12 Zeno`        now*
04:12 Zeno`        maybe it was celeron... it was somebody
04:12 Zeno`        doesn't matter who it was really :)
04:12 hmmmmm       in any case, not everybody has code folding capabilities in their editor, nor is it already named as such
04:12 Zeno`        But there does seem to be a general aversion to using functions :/
04:13 Warr1024     I won't make code a function if it's not reusable AND the function it lives in is small enough even with it included.
04:13 hmmmmm       erm, I mean nor is the code block named
04:13 Zeno`        https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle <--- chapter 6
04:13 Zeno`        nice summary (honestly)
04:13 hmmmmm       when you start having multiple bail-outs in a do { ... } while (0), that's a pretty damn good candidate for a function imho
04:14 Warr1024     vi does not do code folding, last I checked.
04:14 hmmmmm       there's always a plugin
04:14 Warr1024     I'm fair sure vi doesn't do plugins either.
04:14 Zeno`        vim does
04:14 Zeno`        or maybe that's elvis
04:14 Warr1024     vim is not vi
04:14 Zeno`        correct
04:15 Zeno`        vi does only vi stuff :)
04:15 Zeno`        vi as in class vi :)
04:15 kahrl_       IIRC, ed also has no code folding
04:15 Zeno`        classic*
04:15 Zeno`        ed doesn't last I looked
04:15 Zeno`        LOL
04:15 Warr1024     vim cannot be used to fix a busted fstab on a system that failed to mount /usr, and thus I still have a reason to hone my plain-vi skills ;-)
04:16 Zeno`        that's why all real hackers use nano
04:16 Warr1024     haha
04:16 Zeno`        :-D
04:19 Zeno`        I hate code folding anyway
04:19 Zeno`        I alway forget that I've got stuff hidden hehe
04:20 Zeno`        the only place I think it is for the file headers (as in the big (C) messages at the top of files)
04:20 Warr1024     I'm nota fan of big (C) mesages either ;-)
04:20 Zeno`        anyway, I'm rushing now... got an appointment. Must go. BBL. O/ :)
14:57 RealBadAngel hi guys
14:57 RealBadAngel kahrl, hmmm around
14:57 RealBadAngel ?
15:03 Krock        kahrl_ ^
15:30 CraigyDavi   Anyone going to merge https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/541 ?
18:00 Taoki        Weird. If I set_attach() a Lua entity to a bone on the player, it seems to lag and only move slowly as the player moves back or forth. Is this a bug?
18:00 Taoki        It doesn't happen if I set_attach to the player without specifying a bone
18:01 Taoki        Why the smooth movement?
18:07 Taoki        It only seems to happen randomly as well... bizarre
18:09 VanessaE     wield3d mod has the same problem
18:15 Taoki        It's clearly a bug in the code, yeah x_x
18:15 Taoki        Either Minetest's or Irrlicht
18:16 Taoki        Since local attachment processing uses an Irrlicht function, the second is pretty probable as well
18:16 Taoki        But it only happens sometimes. I wonder why
18:45 VanessaE     celeron55: *poke*
18:51 VanessaE     celeron55: you're needed for a forum bug.
18:56 Krock        Yay, create more bugs, that's fine!
19:09 * Sokomine   suffers from a concert in the neighbourhood
19:09 Sokomine     any clues as to protect the ears from too loud bass music? the windows are already closed...
19:09 Sokomine     watching a film louder than i normally would doesn't help either
20:04 CraigyDavi   My server has a memory problem, it keeps increasing until it crashes when it runs out of memory. Is there any way to find out what mod/function is causing the problem? Would valgrind help or should I try removing mods one by one?
20:28 sofar        all of lua runs in the same context I think
20:29 VanessaE     CraigyDavi: remove all mods and start *adding* them one by one
20:29 VanessaE     start with the ones you suspect, first... if there's a memory leak in a mod, you'll find it faster that way
20:30 CraigyDavi   Thanks, I'll try that!
20:49 sofar        I may have something that will help
20:51 sofar        CraigyDavi: https://gist.github.com/sofar/41d1e70893f16d457ff1
20:51 sofar        CraigyDavi: throw that in an init.lua mod, enable it and type /dump in game
20:51 sofar        CraigyDavi: it outputs a dump of the _G global table and estimates the size of subtables
20:52 sofar        CraigyDavi: e.g. G[moreblocks]=(table)=26
20:52 sofar        meaning, the "moreblocks" table is in the order of 26 bytes large
20:52 sofar        the size is a total hack, but it's a good proportional estimate
20:52 CraigyDavi   Thank you!
20:52 sofar        CraigyDavi: paste the output - I'd like to see what you get out of it :^)
20:54 sofar        hmm
20:55 sofar        I don't think its ready just yet
20:55 sofar        hold on
20:55 CraigyDavi   Ok
21:00 sofar        almost ready with a real working version
21:02 sofar        nope, not yet - hangs :^)
21:10 sofar        it's surprisingly hard to determine the memory size of a table object, lol
21:11 CraigyDavi   I see
21:15 sofar        well hmm, I can make it dump everything now
21:15 sofar        but it's io.write'ing it all and I just want to measure the size
21:18 sofar        ok, I think I have it done now
21:19 sofar        lemme test one more time
21:20 sofar        yay, it works - it's very very slow but shows me correct size estimates now
21:20 sofar        G[package]=(table)=1002560
21:20 sofar        G[core]=(table)=769851
21:20 sofar        G[minetest]=(table)=769851
21:20 sofar        G[circular_saw]=(table)=2927
21:21 sofar        CraigyDavi: https://gist.github.com/sofar/88435ba1fad327e9b76a
21:22 sofar        CraigyDavi: it may take minutes to run depending on the size of the objects
21:22 CraigyDavi   I'll try it
21:22 sofar        just let it finish. big tables like "minetest" take 5-10 seconds to parse/estimate
21:26 CraigyDavi   uh haha, it crashed due to low memory - while running a command trying to find out why memory usage increases
21:26 CraigyDavi   How ironic
21:29 sofar        heh
21:30 sofar        anything it dumped before that may be useful?
21:30 sofar        oh hey
21:30 sofar        what was the last line before it crashed?
21:31 CraigyDavi   https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/2d7059613a148ee9fc3f
21:31 CraigyDavi   Shows that mt_irc is quite large
21:31 CraigyDavi   IsPlayerOwner is last line
21:32 CraigyDavi   *IsPlayerNodeOwner
21:33 sofar        so what you can do
21:33 sofar        remove the print_r(n) part
21:33 sofar        and run it again
21:34 sofar        and compare the order and if it's the same, then obviously the one after isPlayerNodeOwner is a likely culprit
21:34 sofar        you want to remove
21:34 sofar        ..string.len(print_r(v))
21:36 sofar        CraigyDavi: 5000 is not large
21:36 sofar        CraigyDavi: minetest itself is like 800000 on my base server with only a few mods
21:39 CraigyDavi   sofar, here's the output https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/8e70de6cd04bebc176fb
21:40 sofar        G[travelnet] is the suspect
21:40 VanessaE     Sokomine: ^^^^
21:40 CraigyDavi   So that's using the highest memory...or has a memory leak?
21:40 sofar        remove it, put the code back, run /dump again
21:41 VanessaE     sofar: you oughta run your script on Dreambuilder so time :P
21:41 sofar        it's large enough to cause dumping it to make your box go OOM
21:41 VanessaE     I'm sure it has its share of mem leaks
21:41 sofar        CraigyDavi: if your box is really low on memory it may just point at other high-memory using modules
21:41 sofar        but it's suspicious that it can't serialize the travelnet table
21:43 CraigyDavi   Here's it without the travelnet mod: https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/93e9a0f73834b6ef649c
21:43 CraigyDavi   It has 1GB of ram and that's always been enough when I have run the server on higher spec servers
21:48 CraigyDavi   What now? I can't do without the travelnet mod!
21:48 VanessaE     add more memory? :P
21:49 CraigyDavi   eh, maybe :)
21:50 CraigyDavi   Rather get the memory leak fixed though
21:52 VanessaE     fwiw I run 8 server instances on 24 GB, and the lot of them (two or three of which use travelnet) generally max out at 3.5 to 4 GB
21:52 sofar        CraigyDavi: you re-rean it but you didn't put the print_r code back
21:53 VanessaE     aw shit
21:53 VanessaE     everyone scatter
21:59 CraigyDavi   Well it crashes again when I put the print_r back
21:59 CraigyDavi   last line was IsPlayerNodeOwner
21:59 VanessaE     areas mod?
22:00 CraigyDavi   Then I removed print_r and the line after that was skins
22:00 CraigyDavi   yeah areas is installed
22:00 CraigyDavi   Although I see no reference to IsPlayerNodeOwner there
22:01 VanessaE     then the old node ownership mod
22:01 VanessaE     one of the two contains that function
22:01 VanessaE     or glomie's protector mod
22:02 CraigyDavi   But I don't have any of those installed
22:04 VanessaE     *shrug* I'm out of ideas :)
22:07 CraigyDavi   Ah, found reference to it in areas! https://github.com/CraigyDavi/Craig-Server_game/blob/c2d45efb4173ed099eeb6bd20591f3da31412bcb/mods/areas/legacy.lua#L108
22:07 VanessaE     :)
22:09 CraigyDavi   So areas.isNodeOwner might cause the problem...I'm confused...
22:10 sofar        CraigyDavi: do you have access to a system with more memory? you could duplicate your server setup and see if the table dump completes on there?!
22:11 CraigyDavi   Good idea, although it will be in singleplayer rather than on a server
22:12 sofar        as long as all the mods load and the map is the same
22:19 CraigyDavi   huh? Not enough memory? I have over 3GB free...
22:20 CraigyDavi   Well it got past travelnet this time
22:20 sofar        how far did it get now?
22:20 sofar        what was the size of travelnet? paste the dump?
22:21 CraigyDavi   https://gist.github.com/CraigyDavi/8f06d0d05daa8e1d7982
22:21 sofar        so then skins is suspect
22:21 RealBadAngel VanessaE, no point. i can see you on the minimap ;)
22:24 CraigyDavi   Ok, so simple_skins mod seems to be the problem then. Thanks sofar!
22:24 sofar        CraigyDavi: well, it's "suspect"
22:26 CraigyDavi   Well just looking at the code it looks like it's creating an array with 1000+ entries, that can't be good
22:29 * sofar      fixes completely unrelated issues in one of his C code projects
22:38 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: you're lagging ;P
22:38 RealBadAngel i turned pc on and went to make a coffee, thats why
22:39 RealBadAngel i was thinkin about minimap scaling, maybe depending only on y would work?
22:40 VanessaE     it doesn't take THAT long to craft a coffee maker .. I mean you just need glass, plastic, a heating element, and a bucket of water.......
23:41 Taoki        So... can https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2372 be merged in the end? I really don't want to fix more merge conflicts if another change occurs, plus it's something people have requested since I implemented the animation system.
23:42 est31        hmmmm, kahrl RealBadAngel sfan5 ShadowNinja can sb give a second +1?
23:46 VanessaE     I have to agree with you, Taoki... that we need to leave irrlicht 1.7.x way behind
23:46 est31        there are ifdefs around there
23:46 est31        so on irrlicht 1.8, it will still work
23:46 VanessaE     I'm still reading the comments :P
23:46 est31        err 1.7
23:47 VanessaE     but we *still* need to leave it behind
23:47 VanessaE     everyone has 1.8 by now, or can get it
23:49 RealBadAngel est31 ive already checked that, so go on