Time Nick Message 00:01 paramat hmmmm please could you review sometime https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2763 00:06 RealBadAngel paramat, have you tried those leaves textures? 00:06 paramat nope 00:06 paramat savanna is essential so im going to add it to biomesdev and convince people with pretty screenshots 00:07 paramat sorry, i don't like them :) 00:08 RealBadAngel so we have to suffer with those black ones? 00:08 RealBadAngel default leaves are not altered, only black was replaced 00:09 paramat yep. i don't like the black either 00:10 RealBadAngel so why you dont like this modified default_leaves one? 00:10 paramat a while ago i did the same as you and found that only black-green looked good because it preserved the contrast 00:10 RealBadAngel contrast? 00:10 RealBadAngel it looks completely different when fancy disabled 00:11 paramat yes, the leaves look washed out, faded and flat, no edge definition 00:11 RealBadAngel its whole way darker 00:11 RealBadAngel because black is then the most used color 00:11 RealBadAngel not to mention that on minimap trees are no longer green, just black 00:14 RealBadAngel using fancy option makes world look like graveyard 00:14 RealBadAngel btw, you wouldnt have washed out feeling if contrast of leaves was adjusted 00:15 RealBadAngel try the brighter jungle leaves textures we made 00:15 RealBadAngel i fiddled there with contrast 00:15 paramat i always use non-fancy leaves, and i agree the black background looks wrong 00:16 RealBadAngel https://imgrush.com/dwmCJZoi9Zok 00:16 RealBadAngel doesnt that jungle look a bit better? 00:18 DI3HARD139 oops wrong server 00:20 paramat well my comments are for fancy off. that looks okay because it's fancy 00:20 RealBadAngel https://imgrush.com/izkrt83RtieM.png 00:21 RealBadAngel here i tweaked (increased contrast) for default ones 00:21 RealBadAngel i mean default_leaves 00:22 paramat yeah that's better 00:23 paramat for appletree 00:23 RealBadAngel thx to a bit more juicy colors it doesnt look like washed out 00:24 paramat for me jungletree still too flat and lacking contrast though 00:28 RealBadAngel https://imgrush.com/yhDRWJZHz_hc 00:28 RealBadAngel how about now? 00:31 paramat sorry it's too bright green for me, doesn't balance with the other default textures. when i tried this only extreme dark green looked okay 00:32 paramat i probably can't be satisfied :) we have very different artistic tastes 00:36 RealBadAngel please do notice that it fits now jungle grass 00:37 RealBadAngel otherwise you should propably be after making jungle grass equally dark as leaves ;) 00:37 paramat yeah 00:38 RealBadAngel such dark greens should go for swamp biomes not the jungle imho 00:38 paramat well for me junglegrass looks right that bright, jungleleaves don't 02:53 RealBadAngel kahrl, hmmmm here? 03:09 RealBadAngel ive reworked PreMeshBuffer and mesh collector, so without shaders mesh without tangents is built 03:09 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2755/files 03:09 RealBadAngel it works fine in both cases 06:35 VanessaE ok, what's the story on allowing dig_/place_/set_node actions to NOT be recorded by rollback? 06:37 VanessaE I just had to repair one of my worlds due to massive greifing, and could only do so by restoring from yesterday's backup, because I can't safely enable rollback recording on it 06:38 VanessaE if I enable it, the rollback log gets bloated to 20 times the usual size due to all the automated stuff running in this world 06:38 VanessaE (stuff that should be hidden from the rollback log but can't be because there's no option to) 06:53 VanessaE anyone? 08:30 RealBadAngel kahrl, are you around? 09:18 Megaf VanessaE: I have the very same problem, had t disable rollback on my server because of it getting huge very quicly 09:18 Megaf I'm talking about gigabytes every couple of days 09:18 Megaf It begun to speed up is growing when it was migrated to sqlite... 14:00 Teckla Hi all, I'm just here to fanboy at you, I installed Minetest on my PC and my daughter's PC, ran server on mine, and we're so very very much enjoying building in a shared world 14:00 Teckla Big big THANK YOU to all your devs for your awesome work and project :) 14:07 kilbith ShadowNinja, while you're here... the lines wrapping on the default book is inexistent, please consider this patch : https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/533 14:24 est31 kilbith's PR looks good gonna push it in 5 mins 14:24 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/533 14:24 kilbith thanks est31 14:27 est31 but close buttons are not ok 14:27 est31 its not a job of mod developers to do this 14:28 kilbith delete it then 14:28 kilbith line 31 14:28 est31 yes 14:31 est31 pushed 19:31 OldCoder I have two reports, including one from Amaz here, that the server list is not displaying LOTT despite restarts on our part 19:31 OldCoder Who is hosting the primary server list, again? 19:34 sfan5 me 19:41 OldCoder sfan5, Hi. Excuse delay... 19:41 OldCoder sfan5, Amaz and others report that LOTT is not on the server list 19:41 OldCoder I have restarted the world twice. Unless it is now there, may I ask you to look at the issue? Will restart on your end help? 19:41 sfan5 which ip does the server announce from? i can check the logs 19:42 OldCoder Minetest.org, which is... 19:42 OldCoder 38.126.148.144 19:42 OldCoder The IPV4 has changed in the past few days 19:42 OldCoder Perhaps my other worlds are gone as well? 19:42 OldCoder If not, it is a separate issue 19:44 sfan5 hm 19:44 sfan5 nothing in the logs 19:46 sfan5 OldCoder: nothing in the logs 19:47 sfan5 OldCoder: maybe it is announcing using ipv6? 19:49 OldCoder sfan5, my connection is poor today; excuse me. The IPV4 is: 19:49 OldCoder 38.126.148.144 19:49 OldCoder The IPV4 has changed in the past few days 19:49 OldCoder Perhaps my other worlds are gone as well? 19:49 OldCoder If not, it is a separate issue 19:49 OldCoder sfan5, ^ 19:49 sfan5 yes i got those 19:49 sfan5 OldCoder: nothing in the logs 19:49 sfan5 OldCoder: maybe it is announcing using ipv6? 19:54 OldCoder sfan5, is this a new feature? If so, what is the conf-file setting? 19:54 OldCoder Would I need to patch minetest itself? 19:54 sfan5 nah 19:54 sfan5 curl possibly decides to prefer IPv6 over IPv4 19:54 sfan5 that is not a bad thing 19:54 OldCoder Odd this would start suddenly 19:55 sfan5 no 19:55 OldCoder Do I need to patch the curl call in MT? 19:55 sfan5 i mean that that would explain me not finding anything in the logs 19:55 sfan5 but not explaining/causing the not-on-the-server-list problem 19:55 sfan5 can you tell me the IPv6 address so i can check? 19:56 OldCoder Um, the IPV6 of what? 19:56 OldCoder I don't have one AFAIK 19:56 OldCoder How would I tell? 19:56 OldCoder DNS will only show IPV4 I think 19:56 sfan5 run "ip address list" look for "inet6" 19:56 OldCoder Moment 19:57 sfan5 inet6 2a00:1768:1005:ca7:ea75:b12d:a:3a45/112 scope global [...] 19:57 sfan5 this is how it looks on servers.minetest.net 19:57 OldCoder inet6 fe80::221:5aff:fe48:7d7e/64 scope link 19:57 sfan5 thats a private one 19:57 sfan5 hm 19:57 sfan5 looks like you don't have a v6 addr 19:57 OldCoder inet6 ::1/128 scope host 19:57 OldCoder Just those 2 lines 19:57 sfan5 that's localhost 19:57 OldCoder So a LAN and localhost IPV6 19:57 OldCoder This is as expected 19:57 sfan5 hm 19:57 OldCoder I have never discussed IPV6 with the server host. O.K. Let me see if my other worlds are present... 19:58 OldCoder There is a web address for the server list, right? 19:58 sfan5 OldCoder: can you run "curl http://meow.minetest.net/"? 19:58 sfan5 yes 19:58 OldCoder I see this as core dev BTW and acceptable for this channel 19:58 sfan5 http://servers.minetest.net 19:58 OldCoder Moment 19:58 sfan5 aha 19:58 sfan5 73.15.61.154 - - [08/Jun/2015:19:58:31 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1046 "-" "curl/7.42.1" "-" 19:58 OldCoder No 19:58 OldCoder Not that one 19:58 sfan5 wait no 19:58 OldCoder Look at the 2nd 19:58 sfan5 38.140.16.242 - - [08/Jun/2015:19:58:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1046 "-" "curl/7.38.0" "-" 19:59 OldCoder That one yes 19:59 sfan5 thats not the ip you told me 19:59 sfan5 did it change? 19:59 OldCoder I know; interesting. Unlikely, moment... 19:59 sfan5 offtopic but semi-interesting: 2604:180::5a69:7f32 - - [08/Jun/2015:19:58:16 +0000] "HEAD /%22? HTTP/1.1" 404 0 "-" "IrssiUrlLog/0.2" "-" 19:59 OldCoder Queries from the server are not originating from the domain IPV4 19:59 OldCoder sfan5, what is that last log entry? 19:59 sfan5 so you have multiple v4 IPs? 20:00 OldCoder Apparently. Let me phone the host. Bbiab. 20:00 sfan5 OldCoder: that one, and there were 2 of them 20:00 OldCoder You mean the Irssi? 20:00 sfan5 no 20:00 OldCoder What is the significance of that? 20:00 sfan5 38.140.16.242 - - [08/Jun/2015:19:58:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1046 "-" "curl/7.38.0" "-" 20:00 OldCoder Go on 20:00 sfan5 that one was there twice 20:00 OldCoder Yes 20:00 OldCoder I ran it twice 20:00 OldCoder To see 20:00 OldCoder Phoning host 20:01 sfan5 yup 20:01 sfan5 thats the IP curl is using 20:01 sfan5 38.140.16.242 - - [08/Jun/2015:20:01:03 +0000] "POST /announce HTTP/1.1" 202 61 "-" "Minetest/0.4.12-dirty (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64)" "-" 20:01 OldCoder Phoning host 20:01 sfan5 there are a lot of announces 20:01 sfan5 status code 202 means tha announce has been accepted so something else must be wrong 20:01 sfan5 something else on the side of the master-server i mean 20:03 OldCoder 202 for me you mean? 20:03 OldCoder Host confirms... 20:04 OldCoder IPV4 in != IPV4 out. He says 5 minutes to fix. I will then restart and we will see. 20:04 sfan5 moment 20:04 sfan5 you don't need the host to remove the second v4 addr 20:04 sfan5 that's not the problem 20:05 OldCoder Needed regardless for me to set up access through firewalls 20:05 OldCoder But go on 20:05 sfan5 202 for me you mean? 20:05 OldCoder Is something getting confused 20:05 OldCoder Because in != out ? 20:05 sfan5 202 status code returned to the client 20:05 OldCoder Why is world not on the list, then? 20:05 sfan5 OldCoder: there is a check for that in the code but i disabled this because it causes trouble like this 20:05 sfan5 no idea 20:05 sfan5 will have to look further 20:05 sfan5 lemme look at the code 20:06 OldCoder Let's remove one factor, I will get In back to == Out 20:06 OldCoder Sensible step, reduce balls in the air 20:06 OldCoder I will also review right now to see if other worlds are present 20:06 OldCoder !curl 20:07 OldCoder check logs again 20:07 OldCoder sfan5 20:07 sfan5 sec 20:07 sfan5 38.126.148.144 - - [08/Jun/2015:20:07:01 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1046 "-" "curl/7.38.0" "- 20:08 OldCoder Correct now 20:09 OldCoder sfan5, most of my worlds seem to be there. I will restart LOTT. 20:09 sfan5 please do 20:09 sfan5 I'll watch the logs 20:13 sfan5 ok great 20:13 OldCoder sfan5, restarted. I checked the settings in the .conf too 20:13 sfan5 less froze my terminal 20:13 OldCoder and increased curl timeout to 75000 20:13 OldCoder Hm; should I set debug = 5 or something here? 20:14 sfan5 nah 20:14 sfan5 38.126.148.144 - - [08/Jun/2015:20:11:03 +0000] "POST /announce HTTP/1.1" 202 61 "-" "Minetest/0.4.12-dirty (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64)" "-" 20:14 sfan5 there it is 20:14 sfan5 status code 202 20:14 sfan5 so the initial checks in the code went good 20:15 OldCoder I recently updated to latest MT 0.4.12 stable 20:15 OldCoder Hm; let me restart Silvercrab 20:17 sfan5 181.50.x.x - - [08/Jun/2015:20:16:34 +0000] "POST /announce HTTP/1.1" 202 61 "-" "Minetest/gUnknown (Linux/3.4.5 armv7l)" "-" 20:17 sfan5 huh? 20:17 OldCoder That is not me 20:17 sfan5 are people actually running servers on android? 20:17 OldCoder !! 20:17 OldCoder Possible?? 20:17 sfan5 (gUnknown is an android specific thing) 20:17 OldCoder sfan5, I have restarted Silvercrab and it is on the list 20:18 OldCoder So is some odd world-specific issue possible? 20:18 sfan5 hm 20:18 sfan5 the world shouldn't affect this 20:18 OldCoder I did sync with Amaz's help with upstream _game 20:18 OldCoder Can prove this by booting a recent copy; wait a few minutes 20:19 * OldCoder likes debugging 20:19 sfan5 hm 20:20 sfan5 there isn't much that can go wrong after you get a 202 status 20:20 Amaz Let me try putting a world up with the same game... 20:22 sfan5 OldCoder: i started a debug instance of the serverlist, can you set serverlist_url = http://servers.minetest.net:5050/ in minetest.conf and restart the server? 20:22 OldCoder Yes 20:22 OldCoder Moment; debugging separate Internet problem where I am (not MT server) 20:24 Amaz I just put a server up with the same _game, it announced, so I don't think it is a problem with that. 20:26 OldCoder Wait briefly 20:26 OldCoder Restarted using debugging instance, sfan5 20:27 sfan5 good 20:27 OldCoder The issue ought to be interesting 20:27 sfan5 not seeing any requests yet 20:27 OldCoder Odd 20:27 OldCoder It's up and running 20:28 OldCoder Restarting 20:29 sfan5 hm 20:29 sfan5 OldCoder: does it say anything in the logs about annocing 20:29 sfan5 +u 20:32 OldCoder Excuse delay, looking 20:33 OldCoder 10:51:17: ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: servers.minetest.net/announce 20:33 OldCoder not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 500) 20:33 OldCoder That was earlier; nothing presently 20:33 OldCoder That was 45 minutes ago I think 20:33 OldCoder Turn on detailed debug? 20:33 sfan5 hm 20:33 OldCoder debug_log_level = 4 ? 20:33 sfan5 OldCoder: try serverlist_url = servers.minetest.net:5050 20:34 OldCoder serverlist_url = http://servers.minetest.net:5050/ 20:34 OldCoder Is the http:// supposed to be there or not? 20:34 sfan5 i don't know 20:34 OldCoder Taking it off 20:35 OldCoder Restarting with that setting 20:37 sfan5 nothing 20:37 sfan5 hm 20:38 OldCoder No request to 5050, then? But one does show up without the 5050 ? 20:38 sfan5 didn't look at that 20:38 sfan5 sec 20:38 sfan5 actually 20:38 sfan5 lemme try something else first 20:40 sfan5 (need to recompile minetest...) 20:41 sfan5 ok got it 20:41 sfan5 OldCoder: serverlist_url = http://servers.minetest.net:5050 20:41 sfan5 exactly that 20:42 OldCoder Exactly same as before but no trailing / OK 20:42 sfan5 yes 20:43 OldCoder sfan5, restarted and up 20:44 sfan5 hm 20:45 OldCoder No query received? 20:45 sfan5 nope 20:45 OldCoder But queries were received before the 5050 ? 20:46 sfan5 ... 20:46 OldCoder But queries were received before the 5050 ? 20:46 OldCoder I mean, earlier 20:47 OldCoder You mentioned 202 20:47 OldCoder so queries must have been received? 20:47 sfan5 no query from your ip in... 20:47 sfan5 god damnit 20:48 sfan5 OldCoder: no /announce from your ip between :41 :45 20:48 OldCoder Progress 20:48 OldCoder What were the 202s you mentioned? 20:49 sfan5 considering that you started the server at :43 there should've been one 20:49 OldCoder there isn't much that can go wrong after you get a 202 status 20:49 OldCoder Let me take off the 5050 20:49 sfan5 202 is the status code the master server returns when it got a valid announce 20:50 OldCoder Right 20:50 OldCoder and you saw one earlier? 20:50 OldCoder How about right now? 20:50 OldCoder Not to 5050 20:50 sfan5 actually i see many continously 20:50 sfan5 38.126.148.144 - - [08/Jun/2015:20:50:25 +0000] "POST /announce HTTP/1.1" 202 61 "-" "Minetest/0.4.12-dirty (Linux/3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64)" "-" 20:50 OldCoder I mean from .144 20:50 OldCoder Just now 20:50 OldCoder There 20:50 OldCoder So you *are* getting them but not to 5050 ? 20:50 sfan5 you must be having a second minetestserver running 20:50 OldCoder Loads 20:51 OldCoder Payload presumably indicates which world, right? 20:51 OldCoder I have a dozen worlds, remember 20:51 sfan5 that makes debugging harder because we don't know which one is which 20:51 sfan5 yes 20:51 OldCoder Isn't there a payload? 20:51 sfan5 but the payload of a post request isn't logged 20:51 OldCoder Ah 20:52 OldCoder Well, I can shut down all worlds 20:52 OldCoder Hang on 20:52 sfan5 moment 20:52 sfan5 OldCoder: i have another way 20:52 OldCoder Already done 20:53 sfan5 ok that works too 20:53 OldCoder No worlds running 20:53 OldCoder Restarting LOTT 20:53 OldCoder LOTT is up. See an announce? 20:53 sfan5 none yet 20:53 OldCoder So, announces are not being sent 20:53 OldCoder Simple explanation 20:54 sfan5 last one is from 20:52:46 (utc) 20:54 OldCoder A minute ago 20:54 OldCoder Restarting again to be sure 20:54 sfan5 please do 20:54 OldCoder Nothing showed up? 20:54 sfan5 nothing 20:54 OldCoder public_serverlist = true 20:54 OldCoder server_announce = true 20:55 OldCoder serverlist_url = servers.minetest.net 20:55 sfan5 public_serverlist = true is a client side setting iirc 20:55 OldCoder OK 20:55 OldCoder So the other 2 are correct? 20:55 sfan5 yes 20:55 OldCoder Well, then, I must add debug code on this end, correct? 20:55 sfan5 server_announce = true 20:55 sfan5 server_name = 20:55 sfan5 serverlist_url = http://servers.minetest.net:5050 20:55 sfan5 this is my test confg 20:55 sfan5 +i 20:55 sfan5 and it works 20:56 OldCoder copying that, then 20:57 OldCoder .conf is just those 4 lines 20:57 sfan5 hm 20:57 sfan5 hmmmmmmmm 20:57 OldCoder Wait 20:57 sfan5 38.126.148.144 - - [08/Jun/2015:20:52:46 +0000] "POST /announce HTTP/1.1" 500 316 "-" "Minetest/0.4.12-dirty (Linux/3.16.0-4 20:57 sfan5 -amd64 x86_64)" "-" 20:57 sfan5 there is that 20:57 OldCoder So it works; now back to old conf 20:57 sfan5 500 means something went wrong 20:57 sfan5 no 20:57 OldCoder Ah! 20:57 sfan5 that was :52 time is now :57 20:58 OldCoder Restarting again 20:58 sfan5 nothing 20:58 OldCoder Adding debug_log_level = 4 20:59 OldCoder Moment 20:59 OldCoder Need to disable irc mod for this config 20:59 sfan5 if that doesn't work we'll have to try again tomorrow 20:59 sfan5 (i would prefer going to bed soon-ish) 20:59 OldCoder Fine; moment 21:00 OldCoder OK how about now? 21:00 OldCoder Nothing? If so, good night 21:00 sfan5 nope 21:00 sfan5 nothing 21:00 OldCoder I am not seeing the Announcing line 21:00 OldCoder One more question for now 21:01 OldCoder 10:51:31: ACTION[ServerThread]: Announcing to servers.minetest.net 21:01 OldCoder That was 8 minutes ago 21:01 OldCoder I am not seeing the line presently 21:01 OldCoder What might prevent it from appearing? 21:01 sfan5 it only tells you the first time i think 21:01 OldCoder Yes but I have restarted since then 21:02 OldCoder This might be the problem; any thoughts before you go? 21:02 OldCoder I don't think it is announcing reliably 21:02 sfan5 curl might not be working properly 21:02 sfan5 also there is a small unrelated bug in the master server 21:02 OldCoder sfan5, thank you. This does not explain why only lott. Go on. 21:03 sfan5 AttributeError: 'ServerList' object has no attribute 'remove' 21:03 sfan5 it's just that 21:03 sfan5 nothing to do with the initial announce 21:03 OldCoder Interesting it is only LOTT world. Hm; is it related to the issue? 21:03 OldCoder sfan5, good night, then; I will review further 21:04 OldCoder I will nap briefly myself now 21:04 OldCoder o/ 21:04 Amaz The strange thing is that I can run a world with the same _game and it announces fine... 21:05 nolsen https://meldy.hira.io/Zerobin/?4ef59e66fd13aa2f#4KkYkHToXlrXKd4kX54lxRXFmCT5QxNCLySkXHw0aU0= 21:05 sfan5 night~ 22:46 RealBadAngel kahrl? 22:52 RealBadAngel guys, can anybody review my pull? 22:53 kilbith not the good hour for this... 22:55 RealBadAngel we really should hire full time coder with an extra paid job. looking at the clock. 23:00 RealBadAngel hmmmmm, here? 23:04 RealBadAngel hmmmmmm, you just got -1 for that ;) 23:05 RealBadAngel do it a few more time and i will order windows 10 giving your name :p 23:19 RealBadAngel anyways core of the pull is rdy i think 23:20 RealBadAngel i will add there only some settings to control the efffects 23:20 RealBadAngel with this merged i can continue with minimap and "reliefed" look 23:25 paramat sorry hmmmmmm i have a review request too =/ should be quick and easy though https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2763 23:28 paramat actually mine is trivial so i'll just push it soon 23:45 paramat now pushing 2763 23:53 paramat complete 23:59 * paramat notices hmmmm's troubles with variable thoughtfulness