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devmarth |
http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11472 |
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| 05:26 |
paramat |
now pushing #2487 |
| 05:26 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2487 -- mg_decoration.cpp: Increase max_y to top of voxelmanip volume by paramat |
| 05:26 |
hmmmm |
ohh you don't want to do that |
| 05:28 |
hmmmm |
in fact the code that was there has a bit of a problem for decorations > 16 nodes high |
| 05:29 |
paramat |
lol |
| 05:30 |
paramat |
yeah trees disappear at certain altitudes |
| 05:30 |
paramat |
the mapblock shell is surely there to be used to enable <16 nodes high trees? |
| 05:31 |
hmmmm |
better than cut-off trees |
| 05:32 |
paramat |
the PR will remove any decoration that exceeds the voxelmanip volums, so no cutoffs |
| 05:32 |
paramat |
*volume |
| 05:32 |
hmmmm |
well the idea was to have this handled by the cutoff placer |
| 05:33 |
hmmmm |
so if they may potentially not fit, let the decoration get placed from the cutoff queue |
| 05:33 |
paramat |
easier to just use the vm volume we already have? |
| 05:33 |
hmmmm |
but i guess that's not valid anymore since it's been deactivated |
| 05:34 |
paramat |
all lua mapgens rely on using the full vm volume for trees |
| 05:34 |
paramat |
its basic mapgen =) |
| 05:34 |
hmmmm |
yeah actually looking at it closer that is valid. |
| 05:35 |
paramat |
phew cool |
| 05:35 |
hmmmm |
probably a better idea to use mg->vm.MaxEdge.Y instead of MAP_BLOCKSIZE - 1 |
| 05:35 |
paramat |
ah okay, will do that |
| 05:35 |
hmmmm |
remove height, remove max_y, just simplify that into: |
| 05:36 |
hmmmm |
if (y + getHeight() >= mg->vm.MaxEdge.Y) { ... |
| 05:36 |
hmmmm |
erm... i mean |
| 05:36 |
hmmmm |
if (y + getHeight() >= mg->vm->m_area.MaxEdge.Y) { ... |
| 05:38 |
paramat |
how about y + getHeight + 1 > .. ? slower? |
| 05:40 |
paramat |
yeah i'll add the +1 since it's in the current code |
| 05:41 |
hmmmm |
technically speaking it is one less operation |
| 05:42 |
hmmmm |
yes, y + getHeight + 1 is minutely slower |
| 05:42 |
paramat |
BTW i plan to remove mgv6 lua blob code and replace with 'register blob ore', the same definitions as used in v5 and v7 |
| 05:42 |
paramat |
v6 blob code is slow |
| 05:42 |
hmmmm |
v6 has blobs? |
| 05:42 |
hmmmm |
sand and gravel? aren't those just cuboids? |
| 05:42 |
paramat |
yeah i meant cuboids |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
didn't realize they were slow but yeah... please do get rid of those |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
I never did get a chance to make use of the blob and vein ores |
| 05:43 |
paramat |
then replace v6 lua decorations with c++ decorations |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
well |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
maybe |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
I never did that because I have concerns about how good the decorations work |
| 05:43 |
hmmmm |
for example, I can't seem to get the distribution of cacti correct |
| 05:44 |
paramat |
the lua decos place stuff in square formations, and use an exponential for density |
| 05:44 |
hmmmm |
in any case, the clay ore should be blob |
| 05:45 |
paramat |
see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=172555#p172555 and following post, horrible |
| 05:46 |
paramat |
i can do better with c++ decos |
| 05:50 |
paramat |
v6addDirtGravelBlobs places 500 blobs twice! (they're not lua blobs, didn't mean that) |
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paramat |
yes v6 clay is already the new blob ore, did that a while ago |
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paramat |
so v6 has dirt/gravel cubes underground. i was planning to replace those with the blob ore definitions used in v5 and v7, but those also have sand blobs. is adding sand blobs to v6 okay for the sake of consistency across all 3 mapgens? |
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hmmmm |
you mean the squareness? |
| 06:07 |
hmmmm |
like how the cactuses generate in tight groupings |
| 06:10 |
hmmmm |
the pseudorandom really sucks, yeah.. i want to add a better pseudorandom |
| 06:12 |
paramat |
yeah the squareness seen from above, and the cacti groups. indeed seems we need better PR |
| 06:12 |
hmmmm |
it's a pseudorandom problem, not a schematics problem right? |
| 06:13 |
paramat |
correct |
| 06:13 |
hmmmm |
this could get solved by switching to PCG |
| 06:14 |
paramat |
v6 lua PR code places cacti, flowers, papyrus, grasses .. slowly |
| 06:14 |
paramat |
i expect big speed gain |
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hmmmm |
wait, huh? |
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hmmmm |
oh you mean by using the stuff in mapgen.lua |
| 06:15 |
hmmmm |
yeah, like I said, I never replaced it because I never was able to get the density of decorations quite right |
| 06:15 |
hmmmm |
it's something that could get fixed by playing with the noise params enough |
| 06:15 |
hmmmm |
i'm almost sure it's not necessary to use exponents when calculating density |
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paramat |
yeah thats my job =P |
| 06:16 |
paramat |
agreed, no exponent needed |
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hmmmm |
though, it is possible to make lua-defined functions really fast through some basic self-modifying code and a polynomial parser, it'd be too platform dependent |
| 06:17 |
hmmmm |
if we decide we don't really care for anything apart from x86, x64, ARM, and PPA, it's doable |
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hmmmm |
e.g. calculate "2*noise^3+3" |
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paramat |
here's the thread and link for my initial work on a set of biomes https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/459 |
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hmmmm |
the .mts files are broken?? |
| 06:21 |
hmmmm |
was not aware of any problems after I fixed the last thing |
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hmmmm |
i forgot all my statistics knowledge :( it's one of those things where you have to use it or lose it |
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| 09:59 |
Zeno` |
#2489 |
| 09:59 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2489 -- Disable double-click -> ESC translation for main menu by Zeno- |
| 10:03 |
Zeno` |
after consideration and testing for a week I think disabling the behaviour for all formspecs, instead of just the main menu, was a usability mistake |
| 10:04 |
Krock |
when is m_remap_dbl_click = false? I can't see the use of that variable |
| 10:04 |
Krock |
whoops nvm |
| 10:04 |
Zeno` |
in the member func... :) |
| 10:05 |
Zeno` |
my last patch disabled the behaviour for all formspecs |
| 10:05 |
Zeno` |
which is what I think the mistake was (after spending the day playing the game instead of thinking about it hehe) |
| 10:07 |
Krock |
Disabling the exit-by-double-click on the mainmenu is okay but I personally don't care about in-game formspecs |
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Zeno` |
yeah I thought I didn't as well |
| 10:08 |
Zeno` |
currently in master it's disabled for all formspecs; let me find my previous commit |
| 10:08 |
Krock |
e74b8da5 |
| 10:08 |
Zeno` |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e74b8da54e4443773404f2642916fd2f2b7f625e <-- that is what I am changing |
| 10:09 |
Zeno` |
yep |
| 10:09 |
Krock |
ninja'd |
| 10:09 |
Krock |
I'm fine with the current master :) |
| 10:10 |
Zeno` |
Yeah, it's not a huge back-pedal though... it still remains disabled for main menu |
| 10:10 |
Zeno` |
It's also a bit more flexible |
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sfan5 |
x.x.x.x - - [14/Mar/2015:10:44:17 +0000] "GET /list?proto_version_min=13&proto_version_max=24 HTTP/1.1" 200 |
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sfan5 |
why exactly is this sent w/ the request? |
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Krock |
compatibility checks. |
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nrzkt |
do we have a contact minetest.net address ? |
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neoascetic |
nrzkt let's discuss #2485? :) |
| 12:19 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2485 -- Simplify custom games packaging by neoascetic |
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nrzkt |
i listen to you ? :) |
| 12:20 |
neoascetic |
you are saying "It could be good, but will include all games" like this is something bad :) |
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nrzkt |
yeah, for the regular packaging it's bad |
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neoascetic |
but why? |
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neoascetic |
If you going to create release, then you anyway should double-check everything |
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nrzkt |
my idea is a release must be proper and doesn't get wrong files automaticly |
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neoascetic |
probably then we should have "make release" target? |
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Zeno` |
release is not a target? |
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neoascetic |
there is "package", but I do not see a "release" targe |
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neoascetic |
Maybe I am annoying, but, again, what with #2471? :) |
| 12:37 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2471 -- Standalone bundle for OSX (w/ dependencies!) by neoascetic |
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Zeno` |
will merge #2489 in 30 minutes or so (trivial change) |
| 12:48 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2489 -- Disable double-click -> ESC translation for main menu by Zeno- |
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Zeno` |
no objections? |
| 13:23 |
nrzkt |
if it's possible to move the 3e gui* files to client this can be good, because it's the only PR which modify theses files (and don't forget android.mk :p) |
| 13:23 |
nrzkt |
3e -> 3 |
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| 13:32 |
est31 |
sfan5, it was sent for future-proof-ness when a breaking network change happens: I've added the feature on the public serverlist that clients display non-compatible servers as such. Now, if most servers are newer version, we might remove them from the serverlist in the future. But perhaps this can be done via the user agent too ... so I agree to a removal of that. |
| 13:38 |
nrzkt |
ok, guys, i finished the play store work. I sent the app to validation process :) |
| 13:38 |
est31 |
wow good |
| 13:39 |
est31 |
nrzkt, I have seen that automated build checks aren't shown when logged out |
| 13:39 |
est31 |
perhaps make it so that everybody sees it? |
| 13:39 |
nrzkt |
logged out from what ? |
| 13:39 |
est31 |
github |
| 13:39 |
nrzkt |
it's a github feature then, not mine :p |
| 13:42 |
Zeno` |
what is play store? |
| 13:43 |
Zeno` |
oh, the android thing |
| 13:45 |
Zeno` |
I am not moving the gui* files yet. Not until I decide whether or not to raise the subject of replacing formspecs :P |
| 13:45 |
est31 |
the question is: what should they be replaced with |
| 13:46 |
Zeno` |
est31, well, that is to be established :) |
| 13:47 |
Zeno` |
nrzkt, why oh why did you name /src/network/packethandlers/client.cpp (and .h) the same as other files? :( |
| 13:48 |
Zeno` |
I know they're distinct because of their path, but it can get confusing |
| 13:48 |
sfan5 |
est31: the server list doesn't need to know which protocols are supported, the client should check whether servers are supported |
| 13:49 |
est31 |
sfan5, as I said, I agree to a removal. |
| 13:49 |
est31 |
it was only to keep all options open in the future |
| 13:50 |
est31 |
sfan5, do you also do user agent statistics? |
| 13:50 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 13:50 |
est31 |
would be interesting in order to get version distribution |
| 13:50 |
sfan5 |
also: "Minetest/gUnknown (Linux/3.4.5 armv7l)" |
| 13:51 |
sfan5 |
why does the android version not send the version if there is no git hash? |
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| 13:51 |
sfan5 |
est31: i'll maybe make a new one |
| 13:51 |
est31 |
? |
| 13:52 |
est31 |
is there an old one somewhere? |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 13:52 |
nrzkt |
i will change this after, network/clientpackethandlers.cpp |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
est31: http://meow.minetest.net/tmp/serverlist_stats_2014-09-2014.txt |
| 13:52 |
nrzkt |
Zeno` then you are right :) |
| 13:53 |
nrzkt |
thanks sfa5 |
| 13:53 |
nrzkt |
sfan5* |
| 13:53 |
sfan5 |
<sfan5> why does the android version not send the version if there is no git hash? |
| 13:53 |
sfan5 |
do you know why, nrzkt? |
| 13:54 |
nrzkt |
because this doesn't use cmake i think |
| 13:54 |
Zeno` |
it most certainly does not use camke |
| 13:54 |
Zeno` |
cmake* |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
correct |
| 13:54 |
est31 |
is this in latest master? |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
it uses it's own huge makefile |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
est31: what? |
| 13:55 |
est31 |
that it doesnt send the version info |
| 13:55 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 13:55 |
nrzkt |
yes, sfan5, i will improve it and try to include it in our common build but this take a lot of time :) |
| 13:55 |
sfan5 |
est31: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/build/android/Makefile#L746 |
| 13:55 |
sfan5 |
est31: if it can't determine the version for some reason it sets it to gUnknown |
| 13:56 |
est31 |
sfan5, i guess then its dependent on the cwd? |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
no idea |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
i don't know how that makefile thing works |
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sfan5 |
haha |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
95.130.x.x - - [07/Mar/2015:00:45:54 +0000] "GET /list HTTP/1.1" 200 22129 "http://servers.minetest.net/" "W3C standards are important. Stop fucking obsessing over user-agent already." "-" |
| 14:00 |
est31 |
lol |
| 14:00 |
est31 |
a proxy? |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
? |
| 14:00 |
est31 |
either they changed src |
| 14:01 |
est31 |
or they made a proxy |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
it's a browser |
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| 14:01 |
est31 |
or that |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
minetest does not send <that http header with the url it came from> |
| 14:02 |
est31 |
refferer |
| 14:02 |
sfan5 |
there is "http://servers.minetest.net/" though |
| 14:02 |
sfan5 |
yes, referer |
| 14:02 |
est31 |
sfan5, there is this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/587167e940228e52e5df5e4b5ecb7b5ff1ea1a7b/src/version.cpp#L29 |
| 14:02 |
est31 |
so as it seems, the githash can be unset too |
| 14:02 |
est31 |
when not known |
| 14:03 |
sfan5 |
it should be unset then |
| 14:04 |
est31 |
yes |
| 14:05 |
est31 |
you want to do it or me? |
| 14:05 |
nrzkt |
then because android is our client, i think a big communication process must be done to our server admins to talk to their users to tell us to switch to 0.4.12 official version |
| 14:06 |
est31 |
nrzkt, if its out in the play store, I will add it to the join message |
| 14:06 |
nrzkt |
not now, some hours. Also est31 you are german, no ? |
| 14:06 |
est31 |
yes why |
| 14:07 |
nrzkt |
to transalte the play store texts :p |
| 14:07 |
est31 |
yes I can help sfan5 is german too btw. |
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sfan5 |
kahrl is german too |
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| 14:09 |
nrzkt |
cool :) |
| 14:09 |
nrzkt |
http://pastie.org/10025465 |
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nrzkt |
if you have some time to translate this :) |
| 14:10 |
Wuzzy |
Anything new to say about <https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/448>? |
| 14:10 |
est31 |
btw there are errors in english version |
| 14:10 |
est31 |
some native speaker perhaps proofread it |
| 14:10 |
est31 |
licenced |
| 14:11 |
nrzkt |
it's possible :s what is the problem with licenced ? |
| 14:12 |
Zeno` |
licensed |
| 14:12 |
nrzkt |
oops ! fixed |
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| 14:16 |
est31 |
wasn't it licensed LGPLv2.1+ |
| 14:16 |
est31 |
? |
| 14:19 |
nrzkt |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Licensing |
| 14:19 |
nrzkt |
right |
| 14:20 |
est31 |
also perhaps of "infinite-world" say "infinite possibilities"? |
| 14:20 |
nrzkt |
i take it from the official website :p |
| 14:21 |
est31 |
I'll take infinite possibilities for the translation |
| 14:21 |
est31 |
"unendliche-welt" sounds weird |
| 14:21 |
nrzkt |
if you want, :) |
| 14:23 |
est31 |
nrzkt, do you write formal "you" or informal "you" for french version? |
| 14:23 |
est31 |
and what version to take for german? I'm for informal |
| 14:23 |
Zeno` |
wait |
| 14:23 |
nrzkt |
the formal |
| 14:23 |
est31 |
sfan5, kahrl? |
| 14:23 |
Zeno` |
is this authorised? |
| 14:23 |
nrzkt |
because i talk to multiples persons :) |
| 14:23 |
est31 |
<celeron55> i do have an account too |
| 14:23 |
est31 |
<celeron55> but as i try to focus on other things i don't have a preference on who's account is used |
| 14:24 |
Zeno` |
k |
| 14:24 |
nrzkt |
the fr translation: - Explorez, creusez et construisez |
| 14:24 |
sfan5 |
est31: informal |
| 14:25 |
Krock |
I'd prefer informal if anyone cares |
| 14:26 |
nrzkt |
no problem for me :) each language has its own marketing methods :p |
| 14:26 |
Wuzzy |
est31: Which translation are you talking about? |
| 14:26 |
est31 |
agree nrzkt. |
| 14:26 |
est31 |
Wuzzy, german. |
| 14:27 |
nrzkt |
question: can i destroy some mapblocks to regen it ? |
| 14:28 |
est31 |
??? |
| 14:28 |
nrzkt |
on my production server i have generated many useless mapblocks for my tests. I want to regen it properly with new settings, but i don't want to destroy my players building |
| 14:29 |
nrzkt |
buildings* |
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celeron55_ |
minetest doesn't have any built-in utility for that but people have made some ulitities themselves |
| 14:31 |
sfan5 |
gUnknow exists since 0.4.11 |
| 14:32 |
sfan5 |
that means only 24.39% of people that used the serverlist between 4th and 14th mar use 0.4.7 or older |
| 14:32 |
T4im |
didn't hmmm add exactly that function? |
| 14:32 |
celeron55_ |
(one gotcha is that you have to make sure you delete a full generation chunk, otherwise the mapgen will make weird things) |
| 14:32 |
est31 |
nrzkt, i answered your question in #minetest because I thought it was user question. |
| 14:32 |
celeron55_ |
(my information can be outdated though) |
| 14:32 |
est31 |
celeron55_, no its up to date |
| 14:35 |
est31 |
sfan5, how would you translate "Join us". I like it but don't know how to express it best in german. |
| 14:35 |
sfan5 |
est31: context? |
| 14:36 |
est31 |
"Join us !" thats it |
| 14:36 |
est31 |
http://pastie.org/10025465 |
| 14:36 |
sfan5 |
uh |
| 14:36 |
sfan5 |
i dunno |
| 14:36 |
sfan5 |
it would just omit it |
| 14:37 |
nrzkt |
it's like "Come on guy !" :p |
| 14:40 |
est31 |
german translation here: http://pastie.org/10025532 |
| 14:41 |
est31 |
sfan5, kahrl, T4im, any other german speak, what do you think? english is: http://pastie.org/10025465 |
| 14:42 |
nrzkt |
little desc is too long. 80 chars maximum allowed |
| 14:42 |
sfan5 |
est31: there are some minor things.. |
| 14:42 |
nrzkt |
i remove "Minetest:" from the short desc |
| 14:42 |
est31 |
is the "Minetest" in the little-desc required nrzkt? |
| 14:42 |
est31 |
ah ok |
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sfan5 |
est31: "mine" ist kein Verb, fällt dir eine alternative ein? |
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T4im |
"bergbaue" ;) |
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sfan5 |
est31, T4im: how about this? cat game.log | cut -d '"' -f 6-7 | grep -E "^Minetest[/ ]0\.4\.9" | wc -l |
| 14:46 |
sfan5 |
oops |
| 14:46 |
sfan5 |
est31, T4im: http://pastie.org/10025546 |
| 14:46 |
T4im |
:D |
| 14:47 |
T4im |
better :) |
| 14:48 |
Zeno` |
There is a small problem. I cannot read it |
| 14:48 |
est31 |
hehe "verschönern" :D |
| 14:49 |
est31 |
sfan5 agree too |
| 14:49 |
sfan5 |
est31, T4im: new one http://pastie.org/10025557 |
| 14:49 |
est31 |
"Blockbasiertes" |
| 14:49 |
est31 |
(major letter) |
| 14:49 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 14:49 |
sfan5 |
it's an adjective |
| 14:50 |
est31 |
but start of a sentence? |
| 14:50 |
est31 |
how do other apps do it |
| 14:50 |
T4im |
also you capitalized the imperatives |
| 14:50 |
sfan5 |
est31: it isn't even a sentence |
| 14:50 |
Krock |
but verbs are lowercase.. |
| 14:50 |
T4im |
est31: maybe join #minetest-de? :) |
| 14:50 |
Krock |
(Line 14) |
| 14:51 |
T4im |
don't want to disturb Zeno` with all that german :D |
| 14:52 |
sfan5 |
another new german one: http://pastie.org/10025568 |
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| 14:54 |
Wuzzy |
So do I understand correctly, you are working on the German translation? |
| 14:55 |
Wuzzy |
Because I have failed? xD |
| 14:55 |
est31 |
lol |
| 14:55 |
est31 |
we translate the google play store page for minetest |
| 14:55 |
Wuzzy |
ah |
| 14:56 |
Krock |
Ich hätte eher sowas geschrieben: Minetest ist nun offiziell auch als App im Google Play Store verfügbar! |
| 14:56 |
Krock |
damn. wrong channel |
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| 15:14 |
Calinou |
nrzkt, always use formal in translations |
| 15:14 |
Calinou |
I've never seen Xfce or Firefox calling me “tu†|
| 15:17 |
T4im |
Calinou: it's a game… not a browser or desktop environment |
| 15:17 |
Calinou |
games also use “vous†here |
| 15:17 |
est31 |
french != german |
| 15:17 |
T4im |
meaning most recipients are either young enough for the informal version to be used, or don't care about being informally addressed as far as surveys showed |
| 15:17 |
est31 |
I only know about german |
| 15:18 |
T4im |
well true… I assume german informality too here |
| 15:18 |
T4im |
we use informality with younger people generally as well… might not be able to apply that everywhere |
| 15:21 |
T4im |
we also generally use the informal version in the internet outside of business context… so there's that too :) |
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est31 |
informal ok for german |
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Wuzzy |
RFC: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2490 |
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| 16:03 |
Krock |
I don't liek >>“<< |
| 16:04 |
est31 |
why |
| 16:04 |
est31 |
its german |
| 16:05 |
est31 |
but also true that we have to distinguish between simple names and real practice. |
| 16:05 |
est31 |
germans do use "". |
| 16:05 |
est31 |
„†is only called "german" |
| 16:05 |
est31 |
such as »« is called french |
| 16:05 |
est31 |
both is ok for me btw. |
| 16:06 |
T4im |
your client is eating the unicode chards btw |
| 16:06 |
T4im |
chars* |
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| 16:06 |
Krock |
Hmm? I can see the eaten chars |
| 16:06 |
T4im |
his? |
| 16:06 |
Krock |
yes |
| 16:07 |
est31 |
T4im, yours is eating them |
| 16:07 |
T4im |
oh, must be on my side then, sorry |
| 16:07 |
est31 |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2015-03-14#i_4185440 |
| 16:07 |
Krock |
lol, I just thought about adding de_ch and strictly replace all ß with ss :D |
| 16:08 |
est31 |
when I do strg+f for "Item definitions...", why does it find it two times???? |
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sfan5 |
est31: you wanted statistics, you get statistics: http://meow.minetest.net/tmp/serverlist_stats_2015-03-14.txt |
| 16:17 |
sfan5 |
everyone else: I made new serverlist statistics for this month: http://meow.minetest.net/tmp/serverlist_stats_2015-03-14.txt |
| 16:23 |
T4im |
Linux -> 359995 72.14% \o/ |
| 16:23 |
Krock |
interesting. I thought Minetest does not support Windoze 5.0 and lower |
| 16:23 |
sfan5 |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 16:24 |
T4im |
sfan5: how do you know what linux I am running? :o |
| 16:24 |
Krock |
most players are on mobile devices - there's a huge potential :D |
| 16:24 |
T4im |
or anyone is·… |
| 16:24 |
T4im |
could be get an overview about what infos minetest is sending through the net? :o |
| 16:24 |
sfan5 |
T4im: x.x.x.x - - [14/Mar/2015:16:24:19 +0000] "GET /list HTTP/1.1" 200 109990 "-" "Minetest/0.4.10 (Linux/3.4.67 armv7l)" "-" |
| 16:24 |
T4im |
ah |
| 16:25 |
T4im |
so common http stuff, ok |
| 16:25 |
Krock |
oh. it's tracking the http headers, not the actual players |
| 16:26 |
est31 |
define "player" |
| 16:26 |
T4im |
someone still run 2.6.32 :o |
| 16:26 |
Krock |
player = someone who joins a server and plays there for a time |
| 16:26 |
est31 |
Krock, and when I change the nick, and not do anything else? |
| 16:27 |
sfan5 |
Krock: it tracks the server list fetches |
| 16:27 |
est31 |
I like it this way, it tracks how often somebody requests the public server list |
| 16:27 |
sfan5 |
(GET requests to /list) |
| 16:27 |
est31 |
wow: "newest Linux version: 4.0.0-040000rc1" |
| 16:28 |
T4im |
wow |
| 16:28 |
T4im |
someone likes to live on the bloody edge… |
| 16:28 |
T4im |
:D |
| 16:37 |
nrzkt |
est31: is there a final german translation ? |
| 16:40 |
est31 |
nrzkt, http://pastie.org/10025854 |
| 16:40 |
nrzkt |
thanks |
| 16:40 |
nrzkt |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.minetest.minetest |
| 16:40 |
nrzkt |
the app is published |
| 16:41 |
nrzkt |
please inform your users ! |
| 16:41 |
est31 |
also update minetest.net |
| 16:41 |
nrzkt |
if someone can update minetest.net and minetest wiki |
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| 16:42 |
nrzkt |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Licensing |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
do I make a sticky post, nrzkt |
| 16:42 |
Calinou |
heh, “UNIX Experience†author |
| 16:42 |
nrzkt |
... it's my google account... it override the organisation of the certificate... :s |
| 16:44 |
est31 |
I'll update wiki |
| 16:44 |
est31 |
website also needs bare download. |
| 16:44 |
est31 |
apk only |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
“91120 Palaiseau†|
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
nice city, nrzkt |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
optic fiber everywhere :D |
| 16:45 |
nrzkt |
no problem xD |
| 16:45 |
nrzkt |
i have 200Mbps/40Mbps |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=11483 |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
posted a news |
| 16:45 |
Calinou |
nrzkt, Krock, is this OK? |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
anything more to add? I'd like the English description from Google Play, but I don't know how to get it |
| 16:46 |
nrzkt |
it's good . I changed the label to my name |
| 16:46 |
nrzkt |
i'll give u |
| 16:46 |
nrzkt |
http://pastie.org/10025869#6 |
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| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
nrzkt: you should update the description to indicate clearly that that build is the official, upstream, developer-sanctioned version |
| 16:49 |
sfan5 |
nrzkt: I'm not seeing the german desc |
| 16:50 |
nrzkt |
sfan5: maybe good didn't update it because i publish the application with english and french and add the german translation after |
| 16:50 |
nrzkt |
good => google |
| 16:51 |
nrzkt |
already set in the short desc VanessaE, but i can add (official) into the Title |
| 16:51 |
VanessaE |
"now available officially" is still a little vague :P |
| 16:51 |
nrzkt |
doesn't work.... the signature is incorrect, gg google |
| 16:51 |
nrzkt |
the app is not instalable from play store |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
nrzkt, in English, there is no space before a ! or ? character |
| 16:52 |
Calinou |
a little detail, but it's a frequent mistake by French people |
| 16:52 |
est31 |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Licensing#Minetest_on_Android ok? |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
Calinou: french has a space between text and a !? |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
yes |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
thatas |
| 16:53 |
nrzkt |
sfan5: yes |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
thats unusual |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
<nrzkt> doesn't work.... the signature is incorrect, gg google |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
can't install it here either |
| 16:54 |
nrzkt |
they failed to sign the app... i will look at their reports. First time i have this problem when publish an app on the store... |
| 16:54 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 16:54 |
sfan5 |
the minetest icon doesn't look particulary highres |
| 16:54 |
kilbith |
Calinou, in most books the punctuation is spaced from the words, matter of readability |
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kilbith |
except the point ofc |
| 16:54 |
nrzkt |
Calinou: maybe add "If you are using unofficial builds, you are encouraged to switch to this build" to the forum |
| 16:54 |
Calinou |
OK |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
nrzkt: in the description in the play store |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
tablet users don't even know what the forum is. |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
many of them don't even know how to google something (!) |
| 16:58 |
est31 |
I think minetest.net website should feature google play version of minetest, and have an alternative apk download way. |
| 16:58 |
nrzkt |
when the sign process will be good i'll give you the apk , i must fix it. |
| 16:58 |
est31 |
after all minetest is an open source project and we dont want to force people to install proprietary software (google play). |
| 16:59 |
est31 |
nrzkt, give it somebody who can edit the website. |
| 16:59 |
* Calinou |
can't |
| 16:59 |
nrzkt |
which site ? |
| 16:59 |
Calinou |
minetest.net |
| 17:00 |
nrzkt |
i don't have rights on it |
| 17:01 |
est31 |
http://dev.minetest.net/Releasing_Minetest#Update_links_on_minetest.net |
| 17:02 |
* est31 |
looks at sfan5 |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
*sigh* |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
what do i need to do? |
| 17:03 |
est31 |
tell that minetest is available on play store and publish the apk as alternative download. |
| 17:03 |
nrzkt |
wait wait, i need to update the apk to resolve this sign problem |
| 17:03 |
est31 |
ko |
| 17:03 |
est31 |
ok* |
| 17:14 |
Sokomine |
did you also add the android version to the fdroid repository? i think it would be a good place and ought to be present there as well. not only in the main store |
| 17:14 |
est31 |
I agree |
| 17:14 |
est31 |
but no its not there yet Sokomine |
| 17:15 |
Sokomine |
i talked to sapier, and he said that he had some technical trouble getting it up there and had no time to sort it out |
| 17:15 |
Sokomine |
so if someone knows how to (or is willing to contact those fdroid-people), that'll help i guess |
| 17:16 |
est31 |
when? |
| 17:16 |
Sokomine |
uff. a few weeks ago? |
| 17:16 |
est31 |
ok... |
| 17:17 |
est31 |
I dunno, celeron55_ can minetest be published on f-droid too? Can I give it a try? |
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| 17:19 |
Calinou |
you don't need permission |
| 17:19 |
Calinou |
although F-Droid has a specific build system |
| 17:20 |
Calinou |
(well, you'll need permission to call it official) |
| 17:20 |
est31 |
I dont need still I want |
| 17:20 |
est31 |
also that |
| 17:21 |
ShadowNinja |
I'm merging security now (just adding a few tweaks and a few extra tests now). |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
ShadowNinja, did you test with mods like moreblocks, technic, mesecons? |
| 17:22 |
Calinou |
and a mob mod |
| 17:23 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: Yep, I only know of three mods that will break, 2 can be fixed trivially and one just requires an extra installation step. |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
what step? which mod? |
| 17:23 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: did you test with Dreambuilder? |
| 17:23 |
T4im |
irc mod probably, mtt will probably too, due to the require() |
| 17:24 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: No, you can do that if you want, I'm not loading that thing. |
| 17:24 |
VanessaE |
chicken. :) |
| 17:25 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: You've got ten minutes... :-) |
| 17:25 |
nrzkt |
okay the signature problem was fixed. |
| 17:25 |
ShadowNinja |
T4im: What's mtt? |
| 17:25 |
nrzkt |
ShadowNinja, wait for commit, i push a AndroidManifest.xml bump |
| 17:25 |
est31 |
minetest-test |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: seriously, test it. please don't break my game in the name of some security feature. I have a hard enough time maintaining it as it is. |
| 17:25 |
est31 |
ShadowNinja, its a testing suite for minetest. good for checking regressions. |
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nrzkt |
the problem was simple... with JDK7 the algorithm must be specified manually. I zipalign and sent it to playstore with a version bump |
| 17:26 |
est31 |
nrzkt, you mean AndroidManifest template? |
| 17:27 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: It breaks UI (trivial fix, already done just have to push), worldEdit (same as UI), and IRC (slightly less trivial, but already done). Everything else should work. |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
ok. |
| 17:27 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: what does it require? |
| 17:27 |
nrzkt |
yes |
| 17:28 |
est31 |
ShadowNinja, its a mod for minetest, you start it with a game |
| 17:28 |
est31 |
no dependencies I know of |
| 17:28 |
nrzkt |
ShadowNinja: commit done |
| 17:28 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: Then it doesn't use require()? |
| 17:29 |
est31 |
ShadowNinja, this is the only place it needs it https://github.com/t4im/mtt/blob/ba6e224f4e7b6718766b1b99aa7ad83ae389f0a3/mtt/assert.lua#L1 |
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est31 |
I think the require usage can be fixed ShadowNinja. |
| 17:31 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: Well that can be fixed in the same way as the IRC mod, and i suspect it's only used by one or two people. |
| 17:31 |
est31 |
yes |
| 17:36 |
Sokomine |
btw, is origin/master still the correct version to use for the latest development version? |
| 17:37 |
est31 |
? |
| 17:37 |
nrzkt |
... play store for fixing the installation problem i must have regen the key and now i'm unable to upload the new working version. I will contact the support... |
| 17:38 |
nrzkt |
or we need to change the package name, it's the only way :s |
| 17:39 |
est31 |
yes thats an option |
| 17:39 |
nrzkt |
but org.minetest.minetest was good... |
| 17:39 |
est31 |
nrzkt, it should be changed to net.minetest.minetest |
| 17:40 |
est31 |
because minetest.net is official version |
| 17:40 |
nrzkt |
oh yeah, right the package name was wrong :p |
| 17:40 |
ShadowNinja |
Uhg, I just found an issue with the path restrictions in my security branch. |
| 17:41 |
est31 |
symlinks? |
| 17:41 |
ShadowNinja |
open(world_path.."/../mods/foo/init.lua") should work. |
| 17:41 |
est31 |
symlinks are ok |
| 17:41 |
est31 |
yes that should |
| 17:41 |
ShadowNinja |
Becuase of the inexistent path stripping for mkdir() |
| 17:42 |
est31 |
it should only then work, when thats also the mods folder |
| 17:42 |
est31 |
I mean you can manually specify a world folder |
| 17:42 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: That shouldn't work, because if foo is a trusted mod you can break out for the sandbox. |
| 17:43 |
ShadowNinja |
of* |
| 17:44 |
ShadowNinja |
I'll have to add some other special handling for mkdir. |
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| 17:54 |
nrzkt |
okay, i now publish the correct app... hope all will be good now |
| 17:54 |
nrzkt |
but the installation is now good on my phone :) |
| 17:55 |
nrzkt |
Calinou: can you change org => net in your android link please, idem for other links for other publishers :) |
| 17:55 |
nrzkt |
i will tell you when the app will be available. The broken app has been unpublished |
| 17:56 |
est31 |
and it is an arcade game |
| 17:56 |
est31 |
category is wrong |
| 17:56 |
Sokomine |
er. was a "crazily turn the player around after teleport" effect added lately? |
| 17:56 |
nrzkt |
all public is not good ? :p |
| 17:57 |
nrzkt |
who can edit dev.minetest.net ? |
| 17:58 |
est31 |
wow. Multicraft reports "5.000.000–10.000.000 " installations. |
| 17:58 |
est31 |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.MoNTE48.MultiCraft |
| 17:58 |
est31 |
but it has ads |
| 17:59 |
nrzkt |
in the screen multicraft show minetest name xD |
| 17:59 |
est31 |
lol |
| 17:59 |
nrzkt |
somebody can edit http://dev.minetest.net/Releasing_Minetest ? |
| 18:00 |
nrzkt |
i have a release process to show there for Android |
| 18:00 |
est31 |
VanessaE can |
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nore |
"Active Conributors" <-- typo on minetest.net/contributors |
| 18:07 |
nrzkt |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.MoNTE48.MultiCraft2 10M to 50M... |
| 18:08 |
est31 |
and still has minetest in screenshot |
| 18:09 |
nrzkt |
yes. It's not normal, i already sent a report to google abuse, but maybe more developpers must do it... |
| 18:10 |
est31 |
They publish the source. |
| 18:11 |
T4im |
including the adware inclusion? |
| 18:11 |
T4im |
or just the minetest one? ;) |
| 18:11 |
est31 |
thats true |
| 18:11 |
est31 |
that can be a real problem for them |
| 18:11 |
nrzkt |
right, but it's our work, in a great majority... and this men earn money on our development. |
| 18:11 |
T4im |
because then everyone can include adware? :p |
| 18:12 |
est31 |
you can include adware |
| 18:12 |
kilbith |
est31, not the original source |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
what do you need added, nrzkt |
| 18:12 |
est31 |
but if you do, you need to publish the source |
| 18:12 |
T4im |
nrzkt: that's not the issue… the issue is, that they are breaking copyright laws, and that's all google will react to in that moment |
| 18:12 |
est31 |
which ofc doesnt work if you have to package adware libs that are non-free |
| 18:12 |
nrzkt |
i tell you in whisp |
| 18:12 |
est31 |
so that is violating the license as it seems but IANAL |
| 18:13 |
T4im |
I would have to look up that acronym, but I am afraid what I find when I google it, est31 |
| 18:13 |
T4im |
well search it* |
| 18:13 |
est31 |
T4im, its not the next apple product :P |
| 18:14 |
Calinou |
nrzkt, fixed link in news |
| 18:14 |
T4im |
urban dictionary disagrees on that one |
| 18:14 |
est31 |
also I dont know how adware insertion is realized... |
| 18:14 |
Calinou |
“not found†|
| 18:14 |
est31 |
Calinou, its still waiting for approval. |
| 18:17 |
nrzkt |
Calinou: waiting google, but this will be the link |
| 18:17 |
nrzkt |
with this release i also tell google to promote our app on Android for Education :) |
| 18:18 |
nrzkt |
in France i know many school teachers which use Minecraft/Minetest for their childs |
| 18:20 |
hmmmm |
wtf is educational about minetest |
| 18:20 |
T4im |
"learn, how you can make ice from cooking snow, and how short (nyan)cats burn" |
| 18:20 |
nrzkt |
xD |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
hmmmm, I know someone who does use Minetest for teaching |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
(not IRL) |
| 18:21 |
est31 |
hmmmm, do approve to publish minetest on fdroid store? |
| 18:21 |
hmmmm |
i have nothing to do with minetest on android |
| 18:22 |
est31 |
so you don't object? |
| 18:22 |
hmmmm |
i don't object, but i don't have any opinion as well |
| 18:23 |
nrzkt |
est31: i will distribute the APK |
| 18:23 |
est31 |
nrzkt, thats good, but f-droid is a real app store that enables to update apps too. |
| 18:23 |
Calinou |
it has its own build system, with exceptions like Firefox |
| 18:24 |
Calinou |
you should probably get in touch with F-Droid devs to understand the system |
| 18:24 |
est31 |
https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#merge-requests |
| 18:24 |
Calinou |
nrzkt, once you have the APK, give me the link, I'll add it to the news |
| 18:27 |
nrzkt |
http://minetest-ftp.unix-experience.fr/Android/ |
| 18:27 |
Calinou |
thanks a lot |
| 18:28 |
nrzkt |
thanks VanessaE for updating http://dev.minetest.net/Releasing_Minetest :) |
| 18:29 |
kilbith |
as for http://minetest.net/download ? |
| 18:29 |
nrzkt |
you can link this apk directly from minetest.net, no problem using my bandwidth and i will have download stat in my elasticsearch :) |
| 18:30 |
nrzkt |
or we could add it on github, this could be better, no ? |
| 18:30 |
est31 |
github has stats too |
| 18:30 |
nrzkt |
i know, that's why i said this :p |
| 18:30 |
est31 |
ok :) |
| 18:31 |
nrzkt |
sfan5: can i add the APK to the 0.4.12 release ? |
| 18:31 |
nrzkt |
on github |
| 18:31 |
sfan5 |
nrzkt: sure |
| 18:31 |
nrzkt |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/tag/0.4.12 : done :) |
| 18:31 |
nrzkt |
it's better using this than my ftp :p you can now use it Calinou |
| 18:32 |
Calinou |
OK |
| 18:33 |
Calinou |
updated |
| 18:34 |
est31 |
sfan5, for minetest.net/downloads you can take this as example: http://wiki.minetest.net/Licensing#Minetest_on_Android |
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| 18:45 |
ShadowNinja |
There, all my new security tests pass now. :-) VanessaE: Did you test dreambuider? |
| 18:50 |
T4im |
ShadowNinja: does request_insecure_environment return success value? so that the mod knows whether it was allowed to continue or explain the situation to the user? |
| 18:50 |
est31 |
T4im, it will return non-nil |
| 18:50 |
T4im |
or does your change already do that? |
| 18:50 |
est31 |
as it seems |
| 18:51 |
ShadowNinja |
T4im: It returns the insecure env or nil. |
| 18:51 |
T4im |
ok :) |
| 18:51 |
est31 |
and that returned variable needs to be stored somewhere |
| 18:51 |
est31 |
T4im, I'm fixing mtt ok? |
| 18:51 |
T4im |
sure |
| 18:52 |
T4im |
:D |
| 18:52 |
T4im |
thanks |
| 18:53 |
T4im |
oh, debug lib is off limits too? hm.. where did I use that one again *headscratch* |
| 18:56 |
ShadowNinja |
T4im: No, debug is alowed, just not dangerous ones like getlocal. |
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| 18:57 |
T4im |
ah ok, only used getinfo somewhere I think |
| 18:59 |
est31 |
ugs luaassert itself uses require too |
| 19:00 |
T4im |
multiple times iirc |
| 19:00 |
est31 |
as it seems I have to do function require(args) ... |
| 19:01 |
T4im |
so the insecure environment is not granted to required modules? |
| 19:01 |
T4im |
:/ |
| 19:01 |
T4im |
wouldn't that break with a lof of libs then? |
| 19:01 |
est31 |
we don't solve it by simply overriding |
| 19:01 |
T4im |
lot* |
| 19:01 |
est31 |
thats no good fix |
| 19:02 |
est31 |
rather, require shouldn't be used... |
| 19:02 |
T4im |
well even if you somehow dofile luassert, they use it internally quite liberally |
| 19:02 |
est31 |
yes |
| 19:03 |
est31 |
so I'll implement the function myseld |
| 19:03 |
est31 |
myself* |
| 19:03 |
est31 |
then they call that |
| 19:03 |
est31 |
still this chat doesnt belong in here I guess |
| 19:03 |
T4im |
well, question might be, if that should be added to ShadowNinja's pr then :) |
| 19:03 |
T4im |
some more liberal require function |
| 19:04 |
est31 |
that might be an idea yes |
| 19:05 |
est31 |
I'm coding it right now |
| 19:07 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: If the module uses require you'll just have to temporarily override the global version, or run the module in the insecure environment. |
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| 19:07 |
ShadowNinja |
(with loadfile and setfenv) |
| 19:08 |
est31 |
ShadowNinja, what about coding "safe" require in lua? |
| 19:09 |
T4im |
indeed, we don't require here anything from the system (and neither does the module), just from a subdirectory, and I can imagine, that that's not uncommon for those few minetest mods using it :) |
| 19:10 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: That could be done for Lua modules. |
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| 19:44 |
est31 |
ShadowNinja, context: this doc: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-package.loaders |
| 19:44 |
est31 |
as it seems you only need to disable third and fourth loaders? |
| 19:45 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: Yes, I'm working on that now. |
| 19:46 |
ShadowNinja |
I also have to copy package.loaded though, and it can't be a direct copy because it references the original libs. |
| 19:46 |
est31 |
ofc. |
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| 20:18 |
nrzkt |
do we provide weekly updates for Android or we wait the release ? Because 0.4.12 is not a very very good release i think :s |
| 20:18 |
nrzkt |
current master is better and have less problems |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
stick with stable releases, probably |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
we aren't using rolling release model :) |
| 20:20 |
nrzkt |
maybe use intermediate builds can be good to be reactive against forks, and also fight some anoying bugs to our majority of users as it seems. When the app will be published test it, you will see problems. I tester master many of the problem disappears |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: I did not test. didn't have time. |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
(still don't) |
| 20:21 |
est31 |
I think over android market we have more control than over usual distribution mechanisms |
| 20:21 |
est31 |
do they still force-update? |
| 20:24 |
Calinou |
I think we should distribute a dedicated server APK |
| 20:24 |
Calinou |
so that you can host a server on the go :) |
| 20:24 |
devmarth_ |
that would be neat |
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| 20:36 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: Well you've at least a few hours now that I'm working on require. |
| 20:36 |
ShadowNinja |
Or one hour rather. |
| 20:37 |
est31 |
VanessaE, which featrues should I test? |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
est31: just see if it stars and runs without any obvious problems I guess |
| 20:38 |
VanessaE |
note that the current build doesn't have ShadowNinja's tweaks to Unified Inventory or Worldedit |
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| 20:54 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: This is going to be a bit ugly because of a stupid internal cache that Lua 5.1 uses. It uses _LOADED from the registry instead of package.loaded, so if a trusted mod requires something every mod will be ably to require it from package.loaded. |
| 20:55 |
est31 |
ShadowNinja, you mean "will be able to require it from _LOADED."? |
| 20:56 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: require uses lua_getfield(L, LUA_REGISTRYINDEX, "_LOADED"); instead of loading it from package.loaded. |
| 20:57 |
ShadowNinja |
I'll have to add hacky code either way though actually, since it'll still acess the same env. |
| 20:58 |
ShadowNinja |
I have to set _LOADED to the insecure version when it's used by a trusted mod. |
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| 21:03 |
neoascetic |
> Don't use distracting and unnecessary amounts of object orientated abstraction. See Terasology and a certain enterprisey Java coder's conception of perlin noise as examples of what not to do. |
| 21:03 |
neoascetic |
Really? :D |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
yeah, this is hmmmm being angry at other devs |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
:( |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
I removed it but he reverted it |
| 21:04 |
Calinou |
really, this isn't going to solve developers sounding like grumpy people |
| 21:05 |
neoascetic |
I think it's a true, at least for me |
| 21:05 |
neoascetic |
Java and lot of classes... That's why I am trying to contribute to minetest and not in Terasology |
| 21:06 |
neoascetic |
However, I've built them a website and even in their organisation on github. But terasology simply lags on my notebook :D |
| 21:07 |
neoascetic |
Create a mod for minetest is a pleasure. I haven't tried to create one for Terasology, though... because I simply was scared :D |
| 21:07 |
Calinou |
oh, you built the website |
| 21:08 |
neoascetic |
re-built in fact. That static github-pages hosted terasology.org thing |
| 21:09 |
est31 |
being angry is distracting too |
| 21:12 |
est31 |
I agree that three levels of abstraction that are only used at one spot aren't neccessary and just distract |
| 21:13 |
T4im |
"don't exaggerate anything good or it becomes bad"? ;) no need to step on peoples toes… apropos… what dev is he referring to? D: |
| 21:13 |
neoascetic |
I see there is open position on masterserver developer: http://dev.minetest.net/Organisation |
| 21:14 |
neoascetic |
Is this true? I do not saw a lot of issues with masterserver |
| 21:15 |
est31 |
I think thats more about maintaining. also (as it seems) you have to host it. |
| 21:16 |
neoascetic |
btw since lua is used for mods, there is a cool webframework written in lua: http://leafo.net/lapis/ what do you think about write everything web-related using it? |
| 21:19 |
est31 |
lua has no efficient and maintained runtime, has it? |
| 21:26 |
ShadowNinja |
neoascetic: It's sort of maintained by me and sfan since I rewrote it in Python. |
| 21:27 |
est31 |
what was it in before? |
| 21:31 |
est31 |
nrzkt, which android ndk version have you used at the end? |
| 21:34 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: perl. |
| 21:36 |
est31 |
ShadowNinja, and with files I guess? |
| 21:36 |
nrzkt |
9d |
| 21:36 |
nrzkt |
oh. Not 9d not my computer |
| 21:36 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: Huh? |
| 21:36 |
nrzkt |
est31: 10d-3 |
| 21:37 |
est31 |
ShadowNinja, so the changing requests (those that the servers send) modify a file via perl, and the file is also served? |
| 21:37 |
est31 |
using apache |
| 21:38 |
ShadowNinja |
est31: Yes to your first line, no to the second (nginx is used). |
| 21:39 |
est31 |
ok lol |
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| 21:54 |
est31 |
yaay https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.minetest.minetest |
| 21:54 |
est31 |
only .9 version but still |
| 21:55 |
est31 |
sfan5, you can update the website now I guess :) |
| 21:55 |
VanessaE |
it STILL doesn't show up in a search for "Minetest" |
| 21:56 |
est31 |
one for "Minete" perhaps? |
| 21:56 |
est31 |
now its offline again |
| 21:56 |
est31 |
weird |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
"This app is incompatible with your device" (Rockchip P1001A) |
| 21:57 |
VanessaE |
nrzkt: ^^^^ regression. sapier's build was compatible with that chip. |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
est31: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.minetest.minetest |
| 21:58 |
est31 |
no the net.* is the new one |
| 21:58 |
est31 |
sfan5, press f5 |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
there is not net.minetest.minetest |
| 21:58 |
sfan5 |
We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server. |
| 21:59 |
est31 |
I dunno, it was there a short time |
| 21:59 |
est31 |
nrzkt, did you take this offline? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.minetest.minetest |
| 21:59 |
est31 |
VanessaE can you paste the /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
est31: nope, I don't have the tablet handy at the moment |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
it's okay though, that tablet is a piece of shit anyway :) |
| 22:00 |
VanessaE |
from sapier's compat list: - Xelio P1000A-BK, 2x1GHz, Mali-400 MP, 512MB, 1024x600 (POOR) |
| 22:03 |
nrzkt |
oh this is available ? |
| 22:03 |
nrzkt |
it's not my compat list, it's the list on the makefile i haven't touch it |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
it isn't urgent or anything, just making a note of it. |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
I don't play MT on a tablet anyway |
| 22:05 |
nrzkt |
no, we are starting from zero :) |
| 22:08 |
VanessaE |
hm, sapier typoed that line, it should be P1001A... |
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| 22:25 |
kilbith |
~seen BlockMen |
| 22:25 |
ShadowBot |
kilbith: I saw BlockMen in #minetest-dev 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 32 seconds ago saying "ShadowNinja, fixed" |
| 22:42 |
nrzkt |
oO |
| 22:42 |
nrzkt |
net.minetest.minetest removed from play store |
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| 22:42 |
est31 |
reason? |
| 22:43 |
nrzkt |
we are using some spam keywords :o |
| 22:44 |
est31 |
:/ |
| 22:44 |
nrzkt |
REASON FOR REMOVAL:Violation of the spam provisions of the Content Policy. Please refer to the keyword spam policy help article for more information. |
| 22:44 |
nrzkt |
Do not engage in "keyword stuffing" by loading app descriptions with keywords out of context. |
| 22:44 |
nrzkt |
Do not use excessive keywords in apps descriptions, titles, or metadata. |
| 22:44 |
nrzkt |
Your title and/or description must not attempt to leverage another popular product without permission. |
| 22:44 |
nrzkt |
Do not include user testimonials in your app description. They tend to be dubious and are frequently utilized to include references to popular search terms and competitor apps in violation of the policies outlined here. Let your users speak for themselves via Play's comment review system. |
| 22:48 |
nrzkt |
if it was removed because of the commercialized app ... fuck off |
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est31 |
hmmmm, any other dev, do you like function pointers in c++ code, or not like it? |
| 23:21 |
est31 |
actually defining a function in-function, passing the pointer to another function, and let the called function call the passed one. |
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