Time  Nick         Message
00:00 VanessaE     hm, I suppose
00:00 VanessaE     wait..
00:00 kahrl        though that gives an incentive to prevent other devs from participating :P
00:01 kahrl        maybe just a fixed amount to each participant
00:01 VanessaE     wait.
00:02 VanessaE     aw come on where is it
00:07 VanessaE     http://veterok.tv/video/7641/Its-a-Mad-Mad-Mad-Mad-World-1963-on-Retrofilmsin
00:07 VanessaE     warning,
00:07 VanessaE     may have NSFW ads
00:07 VanessaE     advance to 22:29 in the movie for the reference. :)
00:08 kahrl        it's ok, I'm in my bedroom ;)
00:08 VanessaE     (the movie is "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World")
00:09 VanessaE     the actual ref is a minute or so past.  but that is a good spot to start.
00:13 kahrl        I can't seek, only watch from the beginning
00:13 kahrl        but that's fine
00:14 VanessaE     just click the seek bar is all I did
00:14 kahrl        I don't have flash
00:14 VanessaE     oh heh
00:15 VanessaE     well when you get to that time point, you'll surely let me know :)
00:17 kahrl        oh, hey, it's actually finished downloading after watching the credits
00:17 VanessaE     oh good
00:19 VanessaE     this movie's pure gold btw :)  but just that one ~3 mins worth is all I wanted to reference :P
00:21 kahrl        I'd be fine with 2 eights instead of a quarter, too!
00:21 VanessaE     haha
00:38 VanessaE     kahrl: fitting reference? :)
00:38 kahrl        very much so :)
00:39 TriBlade9    Attempting to change the weildhand rotation, just to be more minecrafty >:D
00:39 kahrl        I hope we don't wreck as many cars as they do though
00:39 VanessaE     haha
00:44 Zeno`        kahrl, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/206f0764225de4eeb3b2cef119e22df8005e5d60/src/chat.cpp#L154
00:44 Zeno`        Do you know what that comment means? I can't quite work it out
00:45 Zeno`        I'm guessing it means not to reformat lines already printed to the console?
00:45 kahrl        Zeno`: yes
00:46 Zeno`        ok, thank you
00:46 TriBlade9    How many in-game formspecs are defined in C++?
00:46 TriBlade9    Such as chat boxes and the options menu
00:46 kahrl        try writing a long chat message with multiple words
00:46 kahrl        then after submitting resize the chat window
00:46 kahrl        it'll rewrap the message
00:46 Zeno`        and that is not intended?
00:46 kahrl        it is
00:47 kahrl        but it should only be done for visible lines optimally
00:47 kahrl        but since it's not a huge deal, I never bothered with that
00:47 Zeno`        Ah ok, I see what the comment means now
00:51 Zeno`        I don't think I'll bother looking at that either :(
00:53 Zeno`        // TODO: When the console is resized, avoid reformatting lines that don't require reformatting (including invisible lines)
00:53 Zeno`        I'll add that to my personal repo just in case
01:32 TriBlade9    Where/how would one modify the digging animation speed in camera.cpp?
02:24 VanessaE     [09-15 22:22] <kruug> hmmm...I get 4 "Could not load texture:" warnings, and 1 "Could not open file of texture: character.png"
02:24 VanessaE     ^^^ with the vanilla game
02:25 VanessaE     3GB available RAM
02:26 VanessaE     Not the first time I've seen folks have that prob.  I've seen it myself once or twice, always thought it was an OOM issue
02:47 TriBlade9    Hello guys, Little help here please?
02:48 TriBlade9    After attempting to merge the colored text patch from freeminer and compiling, I get an error
02:48 TriBlade9    minetest/src/cguittfont/CGUITTFont.h:35:22: fatal error: ft2build.h: No such file or directory
02:48 TriBlade9    #include <ft2build.h>
02:49 VanessaE     freeminer is not exactly supported here
02:50 TriBlade9    I am aware of that
02:50 TriBlade9    I'm modifying Minetest, not freeminer
02:50 TriBlade9    I'm backporting a freeminer commit
02:50 VanessaE     ahh
02:51 TriBlade9    Strangely enough, that line never changes in vanilla minetest
02:51 TriBlade9    So I have no idea where to start in fixing it
02:55 TriBlade9    Testing with -DENABLE_FREETYPE=ON
02:56 TriBlade9    Hi kruug!
02:56 kruug        Hi
02:57 TriBlade9    sup?
02:57 kruug        I'm having issues with textures not loading...
02:57 kruug        some default textures won't for me in the hotbar/inventory panels
02:57 kruug        for example, I can see wood in teh world, I can see wood in my hand, but I can't see wood in the hotbar or inventory screen.
02:58 kruug        built from the latest github repo
02:58 TriBlade9    And you've tested preload item visuals? Both on and off?
02:58 kruug        Debian "Jessie"/testing x64
02:58 kruug        only set to "Off"
02:58 kruug        let me test "on" quick
02:58 TriBlade9    Try on?
02:58 TriBlade9    Oh, what GPU do you have?
02:58 kruug        no go there either.
02:58 TriBlade9    I have trouble with my Intel GPU with textures sometimes
02:59 kruug        nVidia something or another running noveau drivers
02:59 kruug        but that's the thing, it's not all textures.
02:59 TriBlade9    Optimus/primu?
02:59 prozacgod    the latest noveau driver on ubuntu keeps giving me GPU lockups on my gtx660
02:59 TriBlade9    Only inventory and hotbar? Do all world textures load fine?
03:00 kruug        for instance, the papyrus textures load in the hotbar/inventory
03:00 prozacgod    not in minetest - just noting it for kruug, wonder if it's related - several other people mentioned the error on the forums
03:00 kruug        yes, just the inventory/hotbar
03:00 TriBlade9    Strange
03:00 TriBlade9    I have no idea <3
03:00 TriBlade9    @VanessaE: I got it to work, -DENABLE_FREETYPE did the trick
03:00 TriBlade9    Now I gotta get it to work if freetpye isn't there
03:00 kruug        nVidia GeForce 6150 LE
03:01 VanessaE     cool
03:03 TriBlade9    WOO
03:03 TriBlade9    COLORED CHAT PATCH WORKS
03:04 TriBlade9    Question, why is Enable freetype off by default?
03:05 VanessaE     not sure
03:05 VanessaE     some people like bitmap fonts :)
03:05 TriBlade9    Is there a reason why it might be needed to be off?
03:05 TriBlade9    Yeah
03:05 VanessaE     however with colored font support that pretty much eliminates that need
03:05 TriBlade9    Well, I have no idea how to make this bitmap-font safe
03:05 TriBlade9    Is there a reason why colored fonts haven't been added yet that you know of?
03:06 VanessaE     not sure about that either.
03:06 VanessaE     set up a pull request and let the other devs sort the rest out :)
03:06 TriBlade9    Yeah
03:06 TriBlade9    Well, I forgot to branch first x]
03:06 VanessaE     meh, that's okay
03:06 TriBlade9    Plus this is a straight copy of Freeminer's GPLV2 color code
03:06 TriBlade9    Sooooo, I doubt that will go over well
03:06 VanessaE     eh...
03:06 VanessaE     that's a problem
03:07 VanessaE     GPL --> LGPL is problematic
03:07 TriBlade9    MT is LGPL?
03:07 TriBlade9    O_o
03:07 VanessaE     yeah
03:07 VanessaE     you'll have to poke proller about that
03:07 VanessaE     get permission to re-license it
03:07 TriBlade9    Wait, was FreeMiner originally licensed under LGPL?
03:07 VanessaE     freeminer forked from Minetest and then relicensed to GPL
03:07 TriBlade9    Before they swtiched to GPLv3?
03:08 TriBlade9    This is using the license before the switch, which I assumed was v2
03:08 VanessaE     Minetest has been LGPL since I don't remember when
03:09 VanessaE     wow
03:09 VanessaE     since June 5, 2012.
03:09 VanessaE     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/037b2591971d752e67fa7d47095b996b3f56da5a
03:09 * TriBlade9  is a derp
03:09 VanessaE     heh
03:09 TriBlade9    Yep, it's LGPL x]
03:10 TriBlade9    Okay, the license is good to go
03:10 VanessaE     if the patch is GPL, it can't be used
03:11 TriBlade9    LGPL
03:11 TriBlade9    LGGGPPPLLL
03:11 VanessaE     ah
03:11 VanessaE     pull request that fucker then ;)
03:11 TriBlade9    Yeah...
03:11 TriBlade9    Well, I've totally screwed this up
03:11 TriBlade9    Probably gonna have to do all kinds of crazy git trcisk
03:12 TriBlade9    Also, What's the difference between the minetest and core root lua variables?
03:12 VanessaE     nothing
03:12 TriBlade9    So minetest == core?
03:12 VanessaE     just a name change that happened recently to better reflect their meaning.
03:12 TriBlade9    And core is preferred?
03:12 VanessaE     yepo
03:13 TriBlade9    Then I should probably make a pull request later to update lua_api.txt
03:13 VanessaE     core is preferred for stuff that's supplied with the engine e.g. stuff in builtin/
03:13 TriBlade9    Ah
03:13 TriBlade9    so colorize does belong there then
03:13 VanessaE     but for mods generally minetest.* is preferred more out of inertia than anything else
03:13 VanessaE     ShadowNinja: *poke*
03:13 TriBlade9    What's the grudge against Freeminer?
03:14 VanessaE     freeminer devs split from minetest in a huff, and have a habit of saying "oh that was fixed in fm", here in this channel, meanwhile patches get merged into that engine without as much testing
03:16 VanessaE     the split itself was fueled by a desire to see things merged faster than was the case at the time
03:16 TriBlade9    I understand that
03:17 TriBlade9    The only preference I have with FM is the colored chat and Main menu. Cmon, they have one smexy main menu
03:17 TriBlade9    The minimap is a bit strange
03:17 VanessaE     heh
03:19 TriBlade9    Question
03:20 TriBlade9    I've never made a PR for MT before, should I first create an issue with TODOS and the commit number attached
03:20 TriBlade9    Once the issue is completed, should I then make a PR?
03:20 TriBlade9    Or just use the PR as an issue?
03:20 TriBlade9    Or just say Screw it, I'm Batman?
03:20 VanessaE     normally you just outright issue the PR and then discuss it within the comments attached to it
03:20 VanessaE     "screw it, I'm batman" as you put it.
03:21 VanessaE     at this point you already did all the work, so there's not much else to do but PR and then discuss :)
03:21 TriBlade9    Discuss and add non-Freetype support
03:21 VanessaE     *nod*
03:21 TriBlade9    Right now compilation fails without freetpye as default
03:21 VanessaE     about like that yeah
03:22 TriBlade9    Alrighty, thanks :)
03:22 TriBlade9    Also, I'm almost as old with MT as you are, but new username
03:22 TriBlade9    Not gonna say my old ones
03:22 TriBlade9    Since I inspired some hate at one point >_>
03:22 TriBlade9    We were friends though, just FYI.
03:23 prozacgod    I wanna be friends !
03:23 prozacgod    :P
03:23 TriBlade9    :O
03:23 TriBlade9    OKAY!
03:23 prozacgod    hi5!
03:23 * TriBlade9  gives prozacgod a friendship bracelet
03:23 * TriBlade9  aka a friendcuff
03:24 prozacgod    I forked today, digging through issues to look at, trying to get acquainted with the code
03:25 TriBlade9    Good luck at that prozacgod
03:25 prozacgod    it's been a number of years since I did any C/C++ development
03:25 TriBlade9    This stuff is damn hard to understand
03:25 TriBlade9    Same
03:25 TriBlade9    8
03:25 prozacgod    it was probably about 2000-2002 since I did any large projects in C and barely anything memorable in c++
03:26 prozacgod    I keep wanting to say "oh to hell with this, let me just C99 this codebase :P" ... (j/k)
03:27 TriBlade9    If you want a C99 voxel game, check out https://github.com/fogleman/Craft
03:27 TriBlade9    I tried to port that to C++, failed miserably
03:29 prozacgod    it looks pretty good actually
03:30 TriBlade9    Yeah, it is
03:30 TriBlade9    Just impossible to port >_>
03:30 prozacgod    naw, you don't need to port it, just need to mind your pointers, and dealloc your buffers
03:31 prozacgod    mmm memory management... MANLY... :P
03:32 prozacgod    also managing your vtable in structs...
04:14 Zeno`        Easter egg: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L1133
04:14 * Zeno`      continues refactoring main
04:34 kaeza        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10118
04:54 TriBlade9    For some reason attempting to merge it is going quite badly
04:54 TriBlade9    Can't quite get why it won't compile suddenly
06:30 ibloat       so right now mods only get announced on the forum? there is no database of some kind to keep track? on the wiki maybe
06:30 VanessaE     there is
06:30 VanessaE     https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/
06:30 VanessaE     but modders have to explicitly upload their mods to it
06:31 VanessaE     the content here shows up in the mod store in the client
06:31 VanessaE     mods uploaded to this site are then vetted by a forum moderator
06:31 ibloat       ah nice
06:31 VanessaE     the problem is too many indians and not enough chiefs :P
06:31 VanessaE     well that's one problem
06:32 ibloat       a link to that page on the 'intalling mods' page on the wiki would make sense
06:32 ibloat       how so?
06:32 VanessaE     the other is that modders generally don't like having to re-upload their mods to the database every time they make a change; a lot of mods are rolling-release model
06:32 VanessaE     so there's no particular release schedule or versioning for some mods
06:32 VanessaE     mine are like that, for example
06:33 VanessaE     there have been discussions about automating the rolling release model into the store, but I don't recall the outcome of the last discussion (which was within the past day or two)
06:36 ibloat       updating it once a month would go a long way to show users there is activity. many users won't dig into github or manually install mods.
06:36 VanessaE     it's updated more often than that actually
06:37 ibloat       maybe a checkbox in the store for 'dev version'
06:37 VanessaE     it's more a matter of how often the modders themselves upload the mods
06:37 VanessaE     it could easily be daily or even hourly
06:37 ibloat       that will fetch the repos directly
06:37 VanessaE     the problem is the workload on the modders and the folks that have to review them
06:37 VanessaE     iqualfragile insists that mods be fully vetted before passing them to clients
06:38 ibloat       ah so every mod update need to be approved
06:38 VanessaE     on that site/on the store yeah
06:38 VanessaE     a laudable goal but one that just doesn't work in practice
06:39 VanessaE     now, with this sandboxing that ShadowNinja is adding to the engine, which will affect the client too, that shouldn't be an issue anymore
06:39 VanessaE     I'm not clear how dev/rolling-releases would be handled, but I think the idea you suggest is similar to what was discused
06:39 VanessaE     discussed*
06:39 VanessaE     damned if I can remember now
06:40 ibloat       is there an eta for the sandboxing?
06:40 VanessaE     days to a week if I guess it right
06:40 VanessaE     perhaps a bit more
06:40 VanessaE     it was not made clear
06:40 VanessaE     but the intent is soon, for sure
06:41 VanessaE     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1606
06:41 ibloat       so not much sense in changing things around until then
06:41 VanessaE     right
06:47 VanessaE     I'm out.  bed.
07:02 ibloat       gn.
07:04 TriBlade9    Hey peoples, where might one find the rendering code for entities?
07:05 TriBlade9    (We really need some sort of doc for what each file actually does)
07:37 hmmmm        I wonder if I should make voxel manipulators emerge the exact area specified rather than rounding out to whole blocks
07:39 Zeno`        depends how they're emerged I guess
07:39 Zeno`        aligned things are often faster
08:01 Zeno`        Is anyone here building on Windows?
08:02 Zeno`        If so, I'd like https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/tree/refactor_main  tested
08:05 Zeno`        after that I'll probably start refactoring (I've only "restructured" so far")
08:07 RealBadAngel on windows? apage satanas :P
08:07 Zeno`        Well... someone must :D
08:08 RealBadAngel this is #dev not #hardcore-SM chan ;)
08:08 RealBadAngel btw, found obvious bug in water rendering
08:08 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/content_mapblock.cpp#L216
08:09 RealBadAngel top of the node got here is always a corner of the mapblock, not the node above the position
08:10 RealBadAngel ooops, nvm
08:10 RealBadAngel forget it, its ok
08:11 Zeno`        hardcore-sm... lmao
08:11 Zeno`        I suppose I could install Wine
08:12 Zeno`        nah
08:12 Zeno`        looks too hard
08:20 Zeno`        I think you have Windows RBA
08:20 Zeno`        I was told that you'd love to test on Windows
09:09 proller      TriBlade9, just because mt sect against anything new and forks ;)
09:11 TriBlade9    Replying to why there's enmity between MT and freeminer proller? Dayum, has the chat been that slow?
09:28 RealBadAngel Zeno`, i have windows here but havent booted into it since months already ;)
09:30 TriBlade9    RBA, if you're still doing the node highlighting selector, might also add an API for coloring the different sides? j/k
09:32 RealBadAngel TriBlade9, im almost done with highlighting (for nodes), preparing new pull right now
09:33 RealBadAngel coloring different sides makes no sense, complex nodeboxes will look then as vomited rainbow thingy ;)
09:34 TriBlade9    I'm kidding :P
09:34 kahrl        could be useful for default:nyancat_rainbow
09:34 TriBlade9    Only MC mod that does that I know of is Mekanism
09:35 TriBlade9    Btw, would anyone like a PR that decreases the selection line size?
09:35 TriBlade9    It's a single-variable change
09:35 RealBadAngel kahrl, i think i managed to satisfy all the haters and lovers with new version of highlighting ;)
09:36 kahrl        TriBlade9: selection line size?
09:36 TriBlade9    Yes
09:36 kahrl        what's that?
09:36 TriBlade9    The width of the edges of the highlight box
09:36 kahrl        oh
09:36 RealBadAngel thickness of selection box lines
09:36 TriBlade9    For some the thickness is an instant turn-off
09:36 RealBadAngel also no sense
09:36 kahrl        I think it's fine
09:36 TriBlade9    Quite strange for those coming from Minecraft
09:36 RealBadAngel same argument: complex nodeboxes
09:36 TriBlade9    Perhaps a config option? x]
09:37 RealBadAngel lemme show u a screenshot
09:37 TriBlade9    ?
09:37 Zeno`        It is a config option isn't it?
09:37 Zeno`        RBA, thanks for testing on Windows for me :3
09:37 Zeno`        lmao :P
09:38 Zeno`        TriBlade9, you PR isn't building
09:38 TriBlade9    IK
09:39 TriBlade9    Needs -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1
09:39 TriBlade9    Not sure how to get around that ATM
09:39 TriBlade9    My C++ skills have rusted to dust
09:39 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/Ed1fTcI.png
09:39 Zeno`        what is src/StaticText.cpp?
09:40 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/oRpzzvu.png
09:40 TriBlade9    New File Zeno
09:40 RealBadAngel selection boxes vs highlighting
09:40 Zeno`        and .h... they probably need to be excluded from the build if freetype ins't enable (based on a /very/ quick glance)
09:41 RealBadAngel TriBlade9, now you see?
09:41 TriBlade9    Well, several classes rely on them now
09:41 TriBlade9    Yes, but I can't decide which I like better or worse
09:41 Zeno`        The other concern I have with backporting freeminer stuff is that freeminer uses C++11
09:42 TriBlade9    I could double-check to make sure it builds with an older version
09:42 Zeno`        and some LTS OS's do not support cxx11, so I guess that needs to be checked
09:42 Zeno`        yeah I think so... if that's ok
09:43 Zeno`        I dunno if supporting LTS OS versions is a goal though
09:43 Zeno`        it *should* be
09:43 TriBlade9    How do I change the backend? x]
09:43 Zeno`        did you change cmake settings at all?
09:43 Zeno`        if not it's probably not using cxx11
09:44 TriBlade9    I didn't change the CmakeLists other than adding those files
09:44 Zeno`        yeah probably doesn't use c++11 then
09:44 TriBlade9    Then it should be good x]
09:44 TriBlade9    If someone could fix the Freetype problem, it'd be even better
09:44 Zeno`        yeah, apart from it not building :P
09:45 TriBlade9    Lemme see if Freeminer can even compile without freetype
09:47 Zeno`        My server uses gcc version 4.4.6 20120305
09:47 Zeno`        So no C++11 for me :(
09:47 TriBlade9    Ow
09:48 Zeno`        It's a LTS server though, so *shrug*
10:47 RealBadAngel ok, updated node highlighting pull is rdy, #1639
10:48 RealBadAngel anybody wanna test it?
10:48 TriBlade9    Sure
10:49 RealBadAngel kahrl?
10:49 TriBlade9    Cloning...
10:50 TriBlade9    Btw, got anything for making selection boxes rotate with entities? :P
10:50 RealBadAngel no problem with that
10:51 RealBadAngel i will add that feature when adding highlghting for entities
10:51 TriBlade9    Compiling
10:51 TriBlade9    Aewsome
10:51 TriBlade9    Perhaps make the standard box do that too? :P
10:51 TriBlade9    Why am I putting :P everywhere?
10:51 RealBadAngel dunno :P
10:52 TriBlade9    How many different branches do you have? O_o
10:53 RealBadAngel well, a few of them ;)
10:54 TriBlade9    How many are you actively working on? (What features?)
10:55 RealBadAngel mainly shaders, lighting, some modding features
10:55 RealBadAngel all about gfx
10:56 TriBlade9    Shaders eh?
10:56 TriBlade9    We could use some of those right now, the current ones are kinda pathetic
10:56 RealBadAngel oh thx :P
10:56 RealBadAngel have you ever tried bumpmapping or parallax in mt?
10:57 TriBlade9    Yes
10:57 TriBlade9    Both are pretty bad though IMO
10:57 TriBlade9    Btw, did you decrease the default width of the selectionbox lines? It looks like it
10:57 RealBadAngel no i havent
10:57 RealBadAngel pretty bad? lol
10:58 TriBlade9    Not yet, haven't tested
10:58 RealBadAngel theyre way better than mc have :P
10:58 TriBlade9    The shaders?
10:58 TriBlade9    Yes
10:58 TriBlade9    The lighting? Nope
10:59 RealBadAngel better pick one and only tp that uses bumpmapping and parralax and say again if they suck
10:59 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBadAngel/HavenNG
10:59 TriBlade9    I derped and compiled the master branch >_>
11:00 TriBlade9    Owow
11:01 TriBlade9    How do you install a texturepack? I've never done it :P
11:01 * TriBlade9  just edits the default textures to his liking
11:01 RealBadAngel so how could you say that you checked parallax and bumpmapping? rotfl
11:01 Zeno`        legoland
11:01 TriBlade9    Turned it on with the default textures?
11:02 RealBadAngel for those effects you need textures, normal maps
11:02 TriBlade9    That explains it
11:02 RealBadAngel without textures, theres just on the fly normal map generation
11:02 RealBadAngel and no parallax effect at all
11:03 TriBlade9    Any nodeboxes in minimal game?
11:04 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQg18t1qyE
11:04 RealBadAngel ^^ example of parallax and bumpmapping
11:05 TriBlade9    :/
11:05 RealBadAngel TriBlade9, better get minetest_game
11:05 TriBlade9    Daww
11:06 RealBadAngel and something on the other shaders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x6w0wspmPo
11:07 RealBadAngel or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hubBBzh_190
11:07 TriBlade9    Welp RBA
11:07 TriBlade9    It might appeal to some people, not to me, but nice work :D
11:08 RealBadAngel ok, whats about highlighting?
11:10 TriBlade9    That's what I'm talking about
11:10 TriBlade9    Sorry x]
11:10 TriBlade9    Additionally, some nodeboxes still look strange
11:10 TriBlade9    Such as stairs from the back or sides, you can see a whiteish plane when selecting them that divides the sections of the stair
11:10 TriBlade9    Not sure if that's fixable, as standard selection has the same problem
11:11 RealBadAngel not fixable rather
11:11 RealBadAngel mesh is built out of selection boxes
11:11 TriBlade9    Okay
11:12 TriBlade9    Also, it makes white-based textures look a bit strange
11:12 RealBadAngel pick another color then
11:12 TriBlade9    What exactly am I supposed to be critiquing anyways? x]
11:12 RealBadAngel some have screamed that selection should be white
11:12 RealBadAngel but im using blue one
11:13 RealBadAngel its way nicer imho
11:13 TriBlade9    Mine is white?
11:13 RealBadAngel yes
11:14 RealBadAngel color is up to /textures/base/pack/halo.png
11:14 TriBlade9    With a config option in the main options, I'm sure people would use both modes pretty equally
11:14 TriBlade9    Waait
11:14 TriBlade9    So you could feasibly add texture to the box ?
11:14 RealBadAngel yes
11:14 RealBadAngel plan is to add animated textures here
11:14 TriBlade9    o-o
11:14 RealBadAngel with noise or sparkles
11:14 TriBlade9    :/
11:15 RealBadAngel whatever
11:15 RealBadAngel up to texture packs/game makers
11:15 TriBlade9    Just added a black line around mine, just to be a jerk
11:15 TriBlade9    That is actually a cool idea though
11:15 TriBlade9    Aww
11:15 TriBlade9    said black line is invisible O-o
11:16 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/RhCSHM7.png
11:17 RealBadAngel this uses animated texture (modified water surface)
11:17 TriBlade9    Hmm
11:17 TriBlade9    Looks odd still :/
11:17 TriBlade9    Mebbe I've just played too much Minecraft :P
11:17 TriBlade9    Anyways, how do you amke it animated?
11:18 RealBadAngel that feature is not in the pull
11:18 TriBlade9    aww
11:18 RealBadAngel but it will be as easy as using animated texture
11:18 RealBadAngel no config or whatever needed
11:18 TriBlade9    It would seem that the mesh is partially transparent and opaque by default, why's that?
11:18 TriBlade9    Could you leave it to the texture 100%?
11:19 RealBadAngel node texture is inside the selection mesh
11:19 TriBlade9    So? Am I missing something?
11:19 RealBadAngel and has nothing to do with halo around it
11:20 TriBlade9    IK
11:20 TriBlade9    But can the halo be fully opaque at parts?
11:20 RealBadAngel no
11:20 RealBadAngel it doesnt work that way
11:20 TriBlade9    Exprain?
11:21 TriBlade9    Right now the texture doesn't seem to do much
11:21 RealBadAngel visibility of the halo is controlled by light level at position
11:21 RealBadAngel to fit day/night and caves
11:21 TriBlade9    Oooooh
11:22 TriBlade9    WTF
11:22 TriBlade9    Is it supposed to randomly change colors?
11:22 RealBadAngel yes
11:22 RealBadAngel slight shifting over the time
11:22 TriBlade9    This aint slight
11:22 Zeno`        is xyzz here?
11:22 TriBlade9    32x32 texture
11:23 RealBadAngel its barely visible
11:23 RealBadAngel but help a lot to see highlighting on various nodes
11:23 TriBlade9    Not in full darkness
11:23 kahrl        Zeno`: rarely, but you can /msg xyz
11:23 TriBlade9    In full darkness it's more of a disco-floor sort of deal
11:24 RealBadAngel ah
11:24 Zeno`        thanks kahrl
11:24 RealBadAngel thx, need to add clamping there
11:24 Zeno`        I just thought a direct conversation rather than line comments in git would be easier, but it's no big deal
11:24 Zeno`        s/git/github
11:25 RealBadAngel bbl
11:25 TriBlade9    It'd be really cool to be able to specify like a 128px texture with crosshairs and special decorations on the block that are opaque
11:25 TriBlade9    Cyas!
11:25 TriBlade9    Ty for the work!
11:39 Zeno`        and ty for all the fish
11:50 TriBlade9    s/and ty/So long, and ty/
12:09 Megaf        Hey TriBlade9
12:25 TriBlade9    Hey Megaf
12:33 Zeno`        hi Megaf
12:33 Megaf        Hey Zeno`, I ve seen your "issue"
12:34 Zeno`        Megaf, slowly chipping away at it
12:34 Megaf        I havent really seen it in deph, but it seems that you are doing pretty well
12:35 Zeno`        I made it an issue instead of a pull request because it's not finished (nowhere near finished) but I wanted people to be aware that I'm attempting it
12:35 Zeno`        just so there's no huge merge conflict in the next day or two (I doubt there will be, but ya never know)
12:36 Zeno`        Megaf, I just want it comprehensible
12:37 Zeno`        it's, slowly, getting there. I actually haven't done anything yet apart from create functions
12:37 Zeno`        more to come tomorrow ;)
12:37 Zeno`        as I move onto "stage 2"
12:37 Megaf        Im getting this on my console, on client side when playing on my server
12:37 Megaf        13:35:34: ERROR[main]: ClientEnvironment::processActiveObjectMessage(): id=1 type=e SerializationError in processMessage(), message=""
12:37 Megaf        what does it means?
12:37 Megaf        ^ kahrl
15:12 RealBadAngel hi
15:12 VanessaE     wb
15:13 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1639
15:14 RealBadAngel testers are welcome ;)
15:14 VanessaE     did you fix triblade9's issue with the "disco floor" look at night?
15:14 RealBadAngel enable_node_highlighting = true
15:14 VanessaE     (I read the conversation)
15:15 RealBadAngel yup, while cleaning the code i forgot to add clamping
15:15 VanessaE     ok
15:15 BlockMen     RealBadAngel, documentation should show the default values ;) https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1639/files#diff-2fb5b44f6775f04cbd1e45bc2dfeb8b8R164
15:16 RealBadAngel BlockMen, ok
15:16 VanessaE     compiling...
15:19 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: bug.
15:19 RealBadAngel yes?
15:19 VanessaE     Y direction is off.
15:20 VanessaE     screenshot coming.
15:20 VanessaE     http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2009162014%20-%2011%3a20%3a52%20AM.png
15:21 VanessaE     actually looks like ALL coordinates are off slightly, not just Y
15:21 VanessaE     seems to only affect nodeboxes.
15:22 RealBadAngel by 0.001*BS
15:22 BlockMen     why is everyone raping the hotbar now??
15:22 RealBadAngel to make it visible when nodebox coords are 0
15:22 RealBadAngel not all the nodeboxes, but those which have 0 in their coords
15:23 RealBadAngel BlockMen, what do you mean?
15:23 VanessaE     that....ain't gonna work. :)
15:23 RealBadAngel so figure out better way to avoid textures fighting in same plane
15:23 RealBadAngel :P
15:23 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: he means the hotbar seen in my screenshot
15:23 BlockMen     RealBadAngel, everything with > 10 slots is hotbar raping
15:23 VanessaE     16 slots, custom selectbox.
15:24 RealBadAngel BlockMen, no, its modding
15:24 VanessaE     BlockMen: offtopic.... but frankly it's incredibly handy and those of us who have mouse wheels (read:  mice less than 20 years old) have no problem with it :P
15:25 RealBadAngel propably BlockMan has 30 yrs old cubic mouse with one square button just ;)
15:25 BlockMen     for me it stays hotbar raping ;)
15:25 BlockMen     and mouse, whats that? :P
15:25 RealBadAngel hehe
15:26 RealBadAngel block on the wheels, but a slightly rounder ;)
15:27 BlockMen     sfan5, nore: do you agree to close? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/299
15:29 RealBadAngel VanessaE, whats that node on your screenshot?
15:30 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: homedecor:paper_towel
15:31 VanessaE     https://github.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/blob/master/homedecor/misc-nodes.lua#L1494
15:31 BlockMen     lol^
15:31 RealBadAngel and above all the things, the super duper awesome feature you had to comment it regarding toilet paper? :P
15:36 VanessaE     no, paper towels.  after all, you were doing code clean-up right? :)
15:36 VanessaE     actually, it was the most complex nodebox-based thing I had immediately handy in that test world at that exact moment :P
15:38 VanessaE     the toilet paper is in fact that smaller one a couple meters past in the screenshot :)
15:39 RealBadAngel btw, are you sure you have boxes sorted?
15:40 RealBadAngel for me it looks like theres a mess with coords
15:41 RealBadAngel hmm, they look ok
15:44 VanessaE     that node was designed with NBE so it should be fine
15:45 chchjesus    I'm reading the developer wiki now. If I wanted to get involved with Minetest core dev, what would be the best approach?
15:45 RealBadAngel VanessaE, i see, i will try to make new rules for higlight meshes
15:46 RealBadAngel obviously they do work fine for symetric nodes
15:46 RealBadAngel but not toilet paper
15:46 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: I guess you're gonna have to combine the individual nodebox-like objects into one as you generate the highlight mesh.
15:47 RealBadAngel no i will just have to use add/sub instead of multiply
15:48 chchjesus    Oh, I should have checked the list of issues on Github.
15:48 chchjesus    Silly me.
15:49 VanessaE     chchjesus: I'd have offered some advice but frankly, I have none :)
15:49 chchjesus    I see
15:49 VanessaE     chchjesus: just jump right in, be prepared for some friction.  you know how it is
15:49 chchjesus    Yeah, good point
15:50 VanessaE     pull requests can take a long time to get merged, so be prepared also to spend some effort defending and supporting that which you've coded if you think it's good enough
15:51 VanessaE     (I'm not entirely sure why that is.  politics I guess.  inertia.  NIH.  idk)
15:51 VanessaE     and be careful about your coding style.  ShadowNinja is a stickler about that ;)
15:51 chchjesus    That's a good thing.
15:52 chchjesus    What coding style is used mainly?
15:52 chchjesus    Is there a doc for that? Or is an existing one used?
15:53 VanessaE     there is, but I don't know where that doc is located
15:53 VanessaE     lemme look around a bit
15:54 VanessaE     http://dev.minetest.net/Code_style_guidelines
15:54 VanessaE     maybe this is it
15:54 chchjesus    yuss
15:54 chchjesus    Lets take a look
15:55 VanessaE     brb
15:55 chchjesus    >Use STL, avoid Irrlicht containers, and no, Boost will not even be considered, so forget it
15:55 chchjesus    Haha.
15:55 PenguinDad   Also http://dev.minetest.net/Lua_code_style_guidelines
15:56 Calinou      “Use STL, avoid Irrlicht containers, and no, Boost will not even be considered, so forget it ”
15:56 Calinou      why do programmers always have to sound harsh?
15:56 chchjesus    Because you get idiots repeatedly messing things up
15:56 chchjesus    Which grinds peoples' gears
15:56 Calinou      idiots won't bother doing pull requests
15:56 chchjesus    and then sometimes they'll complain
15:57 chchjesus    You underestimate idiots.
15:57 Calinou      ignore them
15:57 Calinou      but then don't complain about the whole programmer culture sounding like beardy, angry geeks
15:57 Calinou      or looking like robots
15:58 chchjesus    >Do not be too C++y
15:58 chchjesus    Well, that's good
15:58 chchjesus    I don't have much C++ experience
15:58 chchjesus    I do have C and Java experience though.
15:59 chchjesus    It'll be interesting to learn.
15:59 Calinou      Java people are often C++y?
15:59 VanessaE     back
16:00 chchjesus    No, they're enterprisey.
16:04 VanessaE     "Don't use distracting and unnecessary amounts of object orientated abstraction. See Terasology and a certain enterprisey Java coder's conception of perlin noise as examples of what *not* to do."
16:04 VanessaE     heh
16:04 VanessaE     points to code by prestidigitator.  heh.
16:16 Calinou      that's the problem
16:16 Calinou      the page is mostly focused on hating on other projects
16:16 Calinou      instead of teaching people how to write good code
16:16 Calinou      we also don't seem to have comment styling guidelines (begin with a capital? end with a dot?)
16:16 Calinou      (can we use swear words/smileys in comments?)
16:19 sfan5        BlockMen: yes
16:31 BlockMen     sfan5, what about https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/309?
16:31 BlockMen     do we need backwards compatibility, like mentioned by nore in the comment?
16:32 sfan5        nah
16:32 BlockMen     ok, then i will merge it
16:34 sfan5        nore, BlockMen: more opinions on this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/313#issuecomment-55771362
16:36 BlockMen     sfan5, diamond is to bright
16:36 BlockMen     *too
16:36 BlockMen     also, where is the real improvement to the current textures?
16:36 BlockMen     they look nearly identical
16:36 sfan5        more variety
16:37 sfan5        gold looks dirtier
16:37 sfan5        more like actual gold how you might find it
16:39 sfan5        BlockMen: #308 (old treegen cleanup pull) can be closed, right?
16:39 BlockMen     wait, i will post the commit msg then
16:39 BlockMen     and the gold is ok, yes
16:40 sfan5        can #308 be closed or not?
16:41 BlockMen     yes
16:41 BlockMen     i pushed 309
16:43 BlockMen     sfan5, have you tested 318?
16:43 sfan5        no
16:44 BlockMen     ok, then we decide later
16:44 sfan5        BlockMen: what about #307 (carpet)?
16:44 BlockMen     carpets are not useful, im against
16:45 BlockMen     that should stay by mods
16:45 sfan5        carpets are not useful?
16:46 BlockMen     have you every played with them?
16:46 sfan5        no, have you?
16:46 BlockMen     yes
16:46 BlockMen     thats why im against
16:46 sfan5        whats so bad about them?
16:46 BlockMen     you cant place anything upon them, then you have wholes, etc
16:47 BlockMen     they are not practical
16:47 BlockMen     then its even better to put wool as "floor" below than that
16:47 Amaz         +BlockMen
16:49 sfan5        BlockMen: so you're against changing any other ore textures except gold, do I have that right?
16:51 BlockMen     sfan5, not in general. im against using one of those provided except the gold ore
16:54 Calinou      carpets are a good decorative feature, but they don't obey smooth lighting
16:54 Calinou      so until we have smooth lighting on nodeboxes (Voxelands has done it), no
16:55 BlockMen     sfan5, close? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/303
16:56 sfan5        yes
16:59 BlockMen     anyone familar with dyes? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/243
16:59 BlockMen     VanessaE maybe? ^
16:59 VanessaE     indeed.
16:59 VanessaE     make it basecolor_brown
17:00 VanessaE     and you need to add a recipe to craft coal into black dye
17:01 BlockMen     k, thx
17:01 VanessaE     sfan5: did you still want to merge unified dyes into minetest_game?
17:01 sfan5        VanessaE: whats the advantage of doing that?
17:02 VanessaE     well frankly I think my dye system is more logical ;) and there's a metric fuckload more colors, but beyond that I kinda have to leave it to you guys to decide if there's an advantage
17:02 VanessaE     a number of mods use it.
17:03 BlockMen     ^ except yours aswell?
17:03 VanessaE     BlockMen: actually the only mod I maintain that uses it is coloredwood.  homedecor uses it for I think one or two items.
17:04 VanessaE     that said I would probably want to rewrite it to properly supplant the inbuilt dyes mod (right now, it acts as an extension)
17:11 VanessaE     wouldn't be much to do, in fact I could probably just roll the repo back a few commits to get that code back :)
17:12 VanessaE     hm, maybe not "a few"
17:23 BlockMen     sfan5, any real improvent by https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/264 ?
17:23 sfan5        I don't see one
17:24 BlockMen     so close?
17:26 sfan5        I'd say yes, close
17:29 chchjesus    Where in the source tree are Minetest's unit tests?
17:30 chchjesus    Oh
17:30 chchjesus    test.cpp I assume
17:32 sfan5        yes
17:33 chchjesus    That's all the tests?
17:37 sfan5        afaik yes
17:37 chchjesus    Ah, ok.
18:17 chchjesus    Is there a quick way to only build changed source files using CMake?
18:17 sfan5        do "make"
18:18 chchjesus    Ah, right
18:18 chchjesus    Without -j2?
18:18 sfan5        with or without
18:18 chchjesus    Oh cool, thanks.
18:18 sfan5        your choice
18:30 ShadowNinja  HLuaBot: config prefix
18:30 HLuaBot      prefix = "''"
18:30 ShadowNinja  sfan5: ^ Use nick or that prefix.
18:32 Bitgod       why the hell do you have .conf only updated when you Exit to OS
18:33 Bitgod       kind of sucks if you want to make your own option in menu
18:33 chchjesus    guiFormSpecMenu.cpp would handle stuff like list boxes on the main menu, right?
18:33 Bitgod       honestly id have it update .conf on click event
18:33 Bitgod       like mc does
18:34 sfan5        chchjesus: the form spec menu handles kind of everything
18:34 chchjesus    sfan5: Thought so.
18:34 chchjesus    It's a big file lol
18:35 Bitgod       guys/
18:35 Bitgod       ?
18:45 ShadowNinja  Bitgod: You can call minetest.save_config(), maybe it should be done more often.  Make an issue.
18:50 casimir      I have a strange bug. Could be my fault or a bug in the engine.
18:51 casimir      For my hunger mod I define a hud element as the hunger bar. In singleplayer there are no issues, but on the server it sometimes happens that the hunger bar does not show up when joining.
18:51 casimir      Sometimes the health bar is missing too.
18:52 casimir      And changing/updating them does nothing.
18:52 chchjesus    casimir: have you added it to the github issues list?
18:53 casimir      Not now.
18:53 casimir      I don't know if I might do something wrong in the mod.
18:53 casimir      This one: https://github.com/CasimirKaPazi/Voxelgarden/blob/master/mods/hunger/init.lua
18:59 casimir      #1641
19:25 Bitgod       (Sep 16)(2:43:28 PM) (+ShadowNinja): Bitgod: You can call minetest.save_config(), maybe it should be done more often. Make an issue.
19:26 Bitgod       how do i call it within here:
19:26 Bitgod       http://pastebin.com/xi3tXr5z
19:26 Bitgod       after i click my checkbox i want it to save :)
19:27 sfan5        Bitgod: add "core.save_config()" between line 189 and 190
19:31 Bitgod       oh
19:31 Bitgod       i love you
19:31 * Bitgod     pets
19:33 Megaf        Folks, Im noticing huge lag when people are joning the server
19:33 Megaf        if no people are joining, the lag is 0.3, when people join, when the media or textures are being loaded by they, then I get 156 seconds of lag or more
19:34 Bitgod       15:31:52: ERROR[main]: MAINMENU ERROR: ...st-0.4.10-64bit\bin\..\builtin\mainmenu\tab_settings.lua:190: attempt to call field 'save_config' (a nil value)
19:35 Kray         someone asked me by e-mail about old 0.3.x server back-ups from my servers a few years ago
19:36 Kray         i'm compressing what i have left from one raid failure, i can give a download link if someone else is also interested (i'd rather not make it full public because i'd rather not clog my upstream completely)
19:37 Kray         oldest logs seem to be from july 2011
19:37 Kray         oh and wrong channel
19:42 Bitgod       got it
19:56 Bitgod       whos the head dev here?
19:58 sfan5        nobody
20:01 Bitgod       great
20:01 Bitgod       so no wondder why theres no hiarchy
20:01 Bitgod       lol
20:01 chchjesus    hierarchy doesn't often get things done
20:02 chchjesus    Well, it does and it doesn't. I guess you kinda need a coordinator who knows what's going on
20:02 chchjesus    Actually ignore that
20:02 chchjesus    I'm wrong
20:08 chchjesus    row_rect.UpperLeftCorner.Y += row_min * m_rowheight - scrollpos;
20:09 chchjesus    row_rect.LowerRightCorner.Y = row_rect.UpperLeftCorner.Y + m_rowheight;
20:09 chchjesus    That doesn't seem right
20:09 chchjesus    Oh wait, aaah
20:09 chchjesus    Nevermind, I wasn't looking at the Y.
20:24 chchjesus    Gah
20:31 kahrl        I'd like to merge ShadowNinja's settings changes since people seem to start depending on them or conflicting with them
20:32 kahrl        Last I checked, the code looked fine and seemed to work, but has anybody been testing them?
20:32 chchjesus    Oh yeah, what's the policies on ide project files? Mind if I just add them to the gitignore?
20:33 kahrl        chchjesus: I don't, and I don't think anyone else would
20:33 kahrl        feel free to open a pull request
20:34 chchjesus    I'm surprised there aren't more project files in the git ignore
20:46 ShadowNinja  kahrl: I haven't been using my settings patch because I've been working on other things.  But when I wrote it it seemed to work with a few mods.
20:51 chchjesus    Can mods be written in C++?
20:52 chchjesus    I heard it was Lua only
20:53 sfan5        Mods are Lua only.
21:07 VanessaE     chchjesus: Lua only but there is room for a C++ modding API if someone wants to code it
21:08 chchjesus    I'm reading about the feature creep.
21:08 chchjesus    s/feature creep/mobs/
21:08 VanessaE     heh
21:08 chchjesus    Err, yeah, reading the thread about the mobs
21:10 chchjesus    Oh man
21:10 chchjesus    Imagine a mob that was a floating steel orb that one-hit-killed you when it got close enough
21:11 chchjesus    With an arc of electricity
21:11 chchjesus    or something
21:12 VanessaE     Dungeon masters are about like that in practice
21:12 VanessaE     they just don't look like it
21:13 chchjesus    They electrocute you and kill you in one hit?
21:13 VanessaE     well fire rather than electricity and yeah, pretty much one or two hits and you're dead meat.
21:13 VanessaE     their attacks destroy blocks
21:14 VanessaE     it was in 0.3.x as a standard MOB.  Some mods supply it along with others; I know Nostalgia Game has it.
21:18 chchjesus    There was a really good article I read a while ago on the man generation algorithm Minecraft recently changed to
21:18 chchjesus    That gained some excellent performance enhancements
21:23 chchjesus    Oh, nvm
21:23 chchjesus    It was the cave culling algorithm
21:24 VanessaE     yeah, we've seen that one :)
21:24 chchjesus    heh
21:41 hmmmm        I read that one too
21:42 hmmmm        minetest currently has an even worse overdraw problem than minecraft did to begin with
21:43 hmmmm        just moving over to hardware occlusion buffers would be a huge enhancement
21:43 hmmmm        the graphics side of minetest desperately needs love
21:43 Warr1024     ironic that despite all that MT still outperformed MC in all of my experiences with them...
21:43 * hmmmm      shrug
21:44 chchjesus    Warr1024: Really?
21:44 VanessaE     hmmmm: but who will do it? :-/
21:44 hmmmm        nobody aside from me =/
21:44 hmmmm        i'm gonna need to take a vacation to work on minetest sometime soon
21:44 VanessaE     hmmmm:  did you see that revised highlight patch RBA did?
21:45 hmmmm        i haven't
21:45 Warr1024     chchjesus: I had one laptop that got about 15fps running MC with 32m drawdist.  in MT I get about 15fps with up to 240m drawdist on the same machine.
21:45 VanessaE     #1617 that is
21:45 VanessaE     it's still glitchy, doesn't work exactly right with nodeboxes but it does add some eye candy without any cost
21:46 VanessaE     wait, make that 1619
21:46 Warr1024     I'd really love to see the CPU bottlenecks around mesh calc shrink a lot.
21:46 VanessaE     fuck 1639
21:46 Warr1024     I get a lot of stuttering on older machines due to that.
21:46 VanessaE     hmmmm: this is the one I meant.  forget the other one.  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1639
21:49 chchjesus    Java based modding would be interesting.
21:49 VanessaE     no way
21:49 chchjesus    Err, on top of Lua.
21:50 Warr1024     You can already do that, as I understand, it's just not extremely obvious...
21:50 chchjesus    As an alternative, I mean.
21:50 chchjesus    Warr1024: Oh?
21:50 Warr1024     I think the IRC mod does it somehow...
21:50 Warr1024     of course you can always write your own Lua extensions, though installation and distribution can be a little tricky
21:53 chchjesus    Aren't Lua mods supposed to be easy?
21:53 Warr1024     they are
21:55 Warr1024     though lua's standard libraries can be a bit limiting if you want to do stuff like open TCP sockets and such...
22:01 VanessaE     the IRC mod uses luasocket
22:01 VanessaE     so it can be done yeah
22:01 VanessaE     but java?  eh..
22:02 VanessaE     you may as well put a Ford Pinto engine into a Chevy Camaro. :)
22:02 chchjesus    Well, as a vessel for allowing people to port Minecraft mods...
22:02 chchjesus    port and change, rather
22:03 VanessaE     well the thing is, would they be properly ported or would they just be copied over and made to run?
22:03 chchjesus    They'd have to be properly ported, because mods in Minecraft wouldn't be compatible with the MineTest API I imagine
22:04 VanessaE     this is true
22:04 VanessaE     in which case what would the benefit be of running the Java code at all?
22:04 chchjesus    Well you wouldn't have to rewrite a whole mod.
22:04 Warr1024     only familiarity with the language for existing modders
22:04 VanessaE     if you have to rewrite half of it to even be able to interface with Minetest, wouldn't it be better to just plain rewrite it?
22:04 Warr1024     which is of dubious value anyway
22:04 Warr1024     as it would discourage learning Lua.
22:05 Warr1024     personally, I found modding for MC a lot more painful than for MT.
22:08 proller      but powerful
22:10 Warr1024     actually I found MT's mod interface much more powerful than MC's.
22:10 chchjesus    Of course it is
22:10 Warr1024     in MC you're pretty limited on what you can do server-side without having to distribute your code to EVERY client.
22:11 chchjesus    But also, I think having more languages available for modding is a good thing (even if it's way down the track)
22:11 proller      in mt every complex thing will be laggy
22:11 chchjesus    proller: Hmm?
22:11 Warr1024     s/in mt\s*//, yeah.
22:12 proller      still no good mobs
22:12 proller      but good mobs cant be done in lua only
22:12 proller      no good carts
22:12 proller      no good mods ;)
22:13 chchjesus    yeah
22:13 chchjesus    With Minecraft Mods
22:13 chchjesus    I guess they had to be compiled separately right?
22:13 proller      everything what works for singlpeplayer will be unnplayable with 5+ online players
22:13 chchjesus    Since you didn't get the source for Minecraft.
22:13 Warr1024     I don't really remember MC having good mobs either.
22:14 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1639
22:14 VanessaE     guys, don't listen to proller.  there's a reason he also signs on here as troller.
22:14 VanessaE     just code.
22:14 RealBadAngel updated with some fixes
22:14 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: did you sort out the nodebox alignmentglitch?
22:14 RealBadAngel any more objections?
22:14 Warr1024     :-)
22:14 VanessaE     +sp
22:14 proller      VanessaE, and because i made mt fork?
22:14 RealBadAngel yes
22:14 VanessaE     proller: nope, because you keep trolling constantly.
22:15 proller      VanessaE, and because some things in freeminer better ?
22:15 VanessaE     [09-16 18:11] <proller> in mt every complex thing will be laggy <--- SHUT THE HELL UP AND CODE
22:15 proller      VanessaE, and because still no backports?
22:15 VanessaE     proller: your code is GPL.  Minetest is LGPL.  no backports are possible.
22:15 RealBadAngel proller, you deny any backports :P
22:15 proller      and you hate me ?
22:16 VanessaE     proller: Minetest has been LGPL since like June of 2012.
22:16 VanessaE     I don't hate you, I hate your constant trolling
22:16 RealBadAngel no, youre just piece of landscape, we got used to you ;)
22:16 VanessaE     either code or shut up
22:17 proller      but in my shedule 10 mins of trolling
22:17 RealBadAngel Kahrl, ShadowNinja, any comments on #1639?
22:17 proller      i have alarm for it
22:18 VanessaE     ...
22:18 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: what did you do to fix the sizing glitch?
22:19 RealBadAngel instead of multiplying coords with a constant im adding a constant
22:19 VanessaE     ah ok
22:19 VanessaE     lemme give it a try.
22:19 RealBadAngel toilet paper looks ok now ;)
22:20 VanessaE     that was paper towels :P
22:21 Warr1024     Is that the new highlight?  Man, I gotta see a screenshot of that...
22:21 VanessaE     Warr1024: you have to try it or see a video
22:21 VanessaE     a screenshot won't do it justice.
22:21 Warr1024     aw
22:21 Warr1024     hm, maybe later when I'm at a machine that can compile in less than 20 mins.
22:23 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: PERFECT.
22:24 RealBadAngel good
22:24 RealBadAngel Warr1024, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX_rP-f6VCY
22:25 VanessaE     I love the color cycling effect too
22:25 Warr1024     thanks!
22:25 RealBadAngel on the video its blueish (my personal choice), in pull its white
22:25 VanessaE     in the pull it color cycles
22:25 RealBadAngel yes
22:25 VanessaE     very suble
22:25 VanessaE     subtle
22:25 VanessaE     it's perfect
22:26 Warr1024     I like it
22:26 VanessaE     don't change ANYTHING
22:26 VanessaE     :)
22:26 Warr1024     it might be neat to see what it would look like rendering it *behind* the node that's highlighted, but over everything else...
22:26 VanessaE     multiple node selections work properly too
22:28 Warr1024     possible to fine-tune the alpha of that thing, like make it more or less transparent?
22:29 Warr1024     Actually, it won't show up really bright in the dark or anything, will it?  Could spoil the effect of darkness by letting you just navigate by selection cue...
22:29 VanessaE     it shows up dimly at night
22:29 Warr1024     I was thinking like pitch black cave...
22:30 VanessaE     you'd have an easier time navigating a cave by turning your screen brightness up :)
22:30 Warr1024     ah, cool
22:30 Warr1024     yeah, I'd probably have to get the pull to see it properly :-)
22:30 Megaf        Ok, my server is lagging a lot again, and I have no idea why
22:30 RealBadAngel it depends on the light around
22:30 RealBadAngel so it wont help that much in darkness
22:30 VanessaE     Megaf: item duplication glitch again?
22:31 Megaf        VanessaE: nope
22:31 Warr1024     VanessaE: what was that you mentioned about multiple node selections?  I didn't know there were circumstances where you could select more than one node...
22:32 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: interesting effect with waving leaves versus the selection box :)
22:33 RealBadAngel i will make selection boxes wave too when moving waving stuff code out of shaders
22:33 VanessaE     naw
22:33 VanessaE     do that later
22:33 RealBadAngel yup, im just sayin im aware of it
22:33 VanessaE     ok :)
22:34 VanessaE     I just thought it was an interesting effect :)
22:34 RealBadAngel and users will propably like that waving will be aviable also without shaders
22:34 RealBadAngel not to mention its propably gonna be lot faster than now
22:35 VanessaE     RealBadAngel: entity selection will follow later I presume?
22:36 RealBadAngel yes
22:36 VanessaE     ok
22:36 VanessaE     yep, everything seems to work fine
22:36 VanessaE     no issues.
23:12 foxipso      what's the state of the code? I heard someone describe it on Reddit as "a mess." Is this accurate, ignorance, or a mixture of both?
23:12 proller      both
23:12 foxipso      ah
23:13 VanessaE     it's a mess but it's quite playable.
23:13 foxipso      ah yes, I'm really impressed by how fast it is, and how well it plays
23:13 foxipso      better than Minecraft Alpha was
23:13 VanessaE     hmmmm: how about your take on that? :)
23:13 foxipso      what're the problems with the code?
23:13 proller      code.
23:14 proller      designed for singleplayer
23:14 foxipso      I've never worked on a full-scale project that some devs don't call a "mess," but that doesn't mean it's not workable for an experienced dev
23:14 foxipso      ahh
23:14 foxipso      will it require guts being ripped out?
23:14 VanessaE     foxipso: no, but it does need some work in places.
23:14 proller      and not, not designed, just writed
23:14 foxipso      is there an architecture review board wiki sort of thing?
23:15 VanessaE     I can't speak for the exact issues it has, but there are bottlenecks that need ironed out here and there, that sorta thing
23:15 VanessaE     same problems any big project faces at some point.
23:15 proller      its problem for any not designed projects
23:16 VanessaE     I am not aware of any such wiki but you could just discuss things here really
23:16 VanessaE     except with proller :P
23:16 foxipso      I see
23:16 VanessaE     proller: G*d damn it stop trolling
23:16 foxipso      how about a roadmap or dev goals?
23:16 VanessaE     goals and roadmap exist, one moment
23:16 foxipso      k
23:17 foxipso      also, I have to AFK; back in a few minutes
23:17 VanessaE     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9177
23:17 VanessaE     http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page
23:17 VanessaE     http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
23:18 VanessaE     the first and last links together should cover 99% of what one could call a Roadmap
23:18 proller      VanessaE, but its not trolling, its true
23:21 VanessaE     proller: you are not acting to try to help
23:21 VanessaE     you're just sitting here talking shit.
23:21 proller      i already help to self
23:21 proller      and solve some problems
23:22 VanessaE     you are not helping Minetest.
23:22 proller      but most of require total rewrite
23:22 proller      i tried to help ~year
23:22 VanessaE     then leave it to HIM ^^^^^^^
23:22 VanessaE     no, you didn't try to help for a year, you TROLLED for a year
23:23 proller      but mt trows all my help
23:23 VanessaE     then you tried to shove a bunch of patches through that no one wanted in their current state
23:23 VanessaE     and when people bitched, you started taking your code OUT of the engine
23:23 VanessaE     now put up or SHUT UP!
23:23 proller      yes, everyone wants comptere game in one patch
23:23 proller      MORE BIG LETTERS
23:24 proller      try to cry
23:24 VanessaE     um..
23:24 VanessaE     wut
23:24 kaeza        too much food wasted...
23:24 Zeno`        food?
23:24 proller      nom nom nom
23:25 VanessaE     foxipso: well as you can see, there is at least one person in this channel whose "input" you should take with an extremely large grain of salt.
23:26 VanessaE     (two if you count me, but at least I try to help in any way that I can)
23:27 foxipso      jeez
23:29 proller      good help - develop something like hexahedra
23:29 proller      but it near abandoned
23:29 Zeno`        Who is she?
23:30 proller      https://github.com/Nocte-/hexahedra - started with muuuch better code