Time Nick Message 00:41 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1380 00:41 RealBadAngel ^^ tooltips for buttons and checkboxes 01:08 diemartin okay, has anyone thought about moderating the server list in some way? 01:08 diemartin I don't think this is desired: http://i.imgur.com/YTKH2f7.jpg 01:10 diemartin (read the MOTD) 01:12 VanessaE jeez 01:12 VanessaE and THIS, folks is why I proposed a scoring system for the master list. 01:12 VanessaE that server should be moderated down to oblivion, to use Slashdot terms. 01:13 RealBadAngel lol 08:21 RealBadAngel celeron55, hi. lighting code is still in shaders, almost intact 08:36 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1381 08:37 RealBadAngel ^^ some small tweaks in treegen 12:50 Megaf_ VanessaE: celeron55; ShadowNinja; sfan5; RealBadAngel; there are two servers with blacklisted addresses. They spread malware and ask for named pictures of players! 12:50 Megaf_ sektori.org Is a nasty thing that spread malware 12:50 Megaf_ http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-102616-4246-99&tabid=2 12:51 Megaf_ sektori has two servers running 12:52 Megaf_ we better find a way to control that 12:52 VanessaE don't highlight me for that, I don't have the authority to manage the server list. besides, how is a minetest server going to spread malware? 12:53 celeron55 i asked xyz to shut it down 12:53 celeron55 and he did 12:53 celeron55 now, maybe someone will find an actual solution 12:53 Megaf_ VanessaE: It doesnt directely, but it shows the website on the MOTD 12:53 Megaf_ celeron55: server list still on 12:54 Megaf_ http://servers.minetest.net/ 12:54 celeron55 it isn't 12:56 celeron55 anyway, i won't solve this anytime soon, hopefully someone will 12:56 VanessaE celeron55: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9535 12:56 VanessaE not that it helps the actual problem in question 12:56 VanessaE but it may be part of the solution 12:58 VanessaE keaza and I were working on a scoring system last night. he implemented it in python, but his machine is turned off at the moment I guess 13:02 Jordach_ 404 Not Found 13:03 Jordach_ ^ servers.minetest.net 13:04 VanessaE kaeza* 13:04 Megaf Jordach_: it was on 10 minutes ago 13:20 proller shut down server list because one server have wrong MOTD? lol 14:00 celeron55 if nobody is going to do anything to this today, we might as well just bring it back up as it is 14:00 celeron55 i don't really care; it's not a feature that i personally care about 14:01 celeron55 it's a feature for the common users, and if the common users freak out, then... well, what then? 14:02 celeron55 maybe it should be up to the forum moderators to decide if it's bearable or not 14:10 Taoki Why exactly was the server list shut down? 14:10 Taoki As in, how could a MT server spread malware, first of all? Second, what's the problem with the MOTD? 14:11 Taoki That server list is useful, I hope it comes back up soon... 14:37 Krock Ok. Who has access to servers.minetest.net? It's 404. 14:38 sfan5 Krock: xyz 14:38 Krock And minetestbot isn't here 14:38 Krock ... 14:39 sfan5 MinetestBot is never here 14:39 sfan5 also please read the goddamn logs 14:39 LemonLake ^ 14:40 Krock ok sir. 14:41 Krock ah I see. Jordach ninja'd me 14:42 Krock 1:40h ago 14:44 Krock uuh. the server list gets a reform 14:51 celeron55 so do we bring it back up? 14:51 Taoki PilzAdam: I don't think you replied last night, or I didn't notice if so. Please let me know if you're willing to help fix that crash with the inventory hotbar Lua function, I really need to get this done so my mod can at last become useable. 14:51 celeron55 to me it is very unclear whether people want it up in it's current state or not 14:51 Taoki celeron55: What's bad about it? 14:52 celeron55 what i have heard is that some server is on a domain that distributes malware (via some website), and some server has a MOTD asking to send naked photos to an email address 14:53 proller need return to old servers-based-on forum system! 14:53 Taoki lol 14:53 Taoki IMO this isn't a reason to shut down the server list 14:53 Krock or like servers.mintest.ru, ask to add 14:53 Taoki All games have server lists, and people can put whatever on. If a server says to send photos of you naked, and you're crazy enough to do it, it's your problem 14:53 Taoki That was probably a joke even 14:54 celeron55 well let's take a free vote between everyone who is on this channel at this moment 14:54 celeron55 i won't vote 14:54 Taoki Ok. I vote that it goes back up, because shutting it down for something this silly is ludicrous. There are probably people laughing at us right now for it 14:54 Krock What would be the vote-choices? 14:55 celeron55 keep it down until someone does something to it (and if not, then some other day), or bring it up now 14:55 proller I vote for closing masterserver. minetest users must suffer. 14:55 Krock bring it up. update it when a new version is ready 14:56 Taoki masterserver is a great idea and something Minetest needs. How could anyone suggest closing that down? 14:56 PilzAdam I like proller's idea of a forum based system 14:56 PilzAdam each server has to have a forum topic 14:56 PilzAdam otherwise its not allowed in the list 14:56 Taoki Yes, but the master server list is useful too 14:56 Taoki Ah... so more of a whitelist to allow the servers? 14:56 Krock I know much users which don't have a forum acc and found *the* server over the public server list 14:57 Taoki Dunno. I'm against that. We are a free and open project, the server list should also be free 14:57 Taoki It's not our problem if people put stupid things in the MOTD 14:57 Krock People, server list up or down? I vote up 14:57 sfan5 Ok. I vote that it goes back up 14:57 sfan5 same 14:58 Taoki ok, so at least 3 votes for up, and proller is 1 for down I understand 14:58 celeron55 well proller's vote is practically up too 14:59 celeron55 (because it is ironical) 14:59 proller 8( 14:59 celeron55 it's going up 14:59 Krock lol 14:59 Krock fine 14:59 celeron55 (when xyz wakes up)( 14:59 Taoki AAAH, and I failed again >_> 14:59 Taoki I thought he actually suggested that lol 14:59 Taoki And that sounds good 15:00 celeron55 it's good that it was down because without that, we wouldn't have had this discussion 8) 15:00 Taoki celeron55: I also suggest an "official order" regarding how such situations should be handled. Because we risk embarassing ourselves (as in Minetest itself) if the server list goes down whenever someone puts "send a photo of a d**k" in the MOTD 15:00 celeron55 well that's the problem 15:00 celeron55 it needs software which someone has to write 15:01 celeron55 at the moment there are zero ways to ban anything 15:01 RealBadAngel so the devs should be downvote such server to the possible minimum or even ban it 15:01 celeron55 or even sort 15:01 Taoki IMO it's not our problem. Especially morally, I'm not sure if legally. It's just a string of text after all 15:02 sfan5 Taoki: "Mein Kampf" is just a long string of text too 15:02 RealBadAngel but shutting down servers list because of one moron is just stupid 15:02 Kray wat 15:02 Taoki The server list is just a notification system, it takes server settings and prints them on a web page. We have no obbligation to care IMO 15:02 Taoki RealBadAngel: +1 15:02 sfan5 Kray: (it's not an argument, ik) 15:03 Taoki If there is something we can / should do about it, that's probably notifying users about such servers being bad. On the forum / on IRC / etc 15:03 Taoki ACTUALLY, 15:03 Taoki This just brought another idea to my mind 15:03 Taoki What if we could add a html section to the main menu, where news and the like can be printed? URL configurable in buitin or minetest.conf. Though formspec menus would need to know how to handle HTML 15:04 Taoki Or RSS, or something like that. 15:04 Taoki We could post news about changes, contests, and also bad servers like this 15:04 sfan5 >wanting to add a web browser to minetest 15:04 sfan5 pls 15:05 Taoki not quite a web browser, that's too much 15:05 Taoki Just some system to take news from the website and print it 15:05 Taoki A simple RSS reader with icon support for example could work 15:05 sfan5 a software rendering html is a web browser 15:05 sfan5 (RSS is practically HTML) 15:05 Taoki Yeah, I guess I exagerrated there 15:05 Taoki ah 15:06 RealBadAngel text will do 15:06 Taoki I dunno then... maybe a system that can simply take a set of text strings. Maybe support BBcode so you can embed url's and the like 15:06 Taoki yeah 15:06 celeron55 Taoki: basically, it's legally the one's problem who hosts the list, except that i don't even know what kind of stuff europe has that would do the same thing as the USA's DMCA 15:07 sfan5 who writes the bbcode parser? please show your hand 15:07 Taoki With some Lua magic, formspec menus can already do this I think. If Lua (with its builtin functions) can read from a remote text file (like raw pastebin), it could fetch the string then put it in a [label] element 15:07 RealBadAngel as far as i remember mc has some kind of rss feed built in into client 15:07 RealBadAngel with news etc 15:07 Taoki RealBadAngel: The launcher 15:07 sfan5 RealBadAngel: that is the launcher, it simply puts a htmlframe from some java module there 15:07 celeron55 or, well, it's probably the person's problem who hosts the server, but this was in the case that that person isn't traceable 15:07 celeron55 the MT server i mean 15:08 celeron55 but piratebay is basically illegal, so that means this list can be illegal too 15:08 RealBadAngel if a launcher could be an external app then its a good idea 15:09 sfan5 why do we _need_ a launcher? 15:09 RealBadAngel hmm, lets say an app in flash 15:09 sfan5 you're joking, right? 15:09 RealBadAngel able to show html, edit config, launch the game 15:10 sfan5 >flash 15:10 sfan5 >f**kin' flash 15:10 Taoki celeron55: Since SOPA didn't pass thank goodness, linking to a site like Piratebay is never illegal almost anywhere 15:10 RealBadAngel im familiar with it 15:10 Taoki What Piratebay does itself might be... sometimes ;) 15:10 Taoki But not linking to it 15:10 sfan5 that does not mean it is a good idea 15:10 Taoki I can link to it right here in IRC. The police won't come after me 15:10 Taoki Sure 15:10 Taoki This is just in case someone decides to do it 15:11 sfan5 also please tell me how you want to write a >>>>>>cross-platform<<<<< deskop app in flash 15:11 sfan5 desktop* 15:12 celeron55 this launcher thing is stupid 15:12 celeron55 if you want to show news, just do it in the main menu 15:12 Taoki I agree, I don't like how MC does that either 15:13 RealBadAngel it was just an idea, not forcing it 15:13 celeron55 and do it in some simple way; headers and raw text works fine 15:14 celeron55 the server side then is an actual problem; i don't think anyone wants to really take that authority or maintain the news server 15:14 celeron55 maybe if the news feed was a text file in a github repo or something 15:14 Taoki I was thinking that Lua could fetch a raw text file and simply print that. Not sure how titles would be added then though 15:15 celeron55 (actually, having a repo with a text file would work very well for that) 15:15 RealBadAngel Taoki, [b] [/b] ? 15:16 RealBadAngel or something like that 15:16 Taoki Works 15:16 RealBadAngel simple bbcode 15:17 RealBadAngel https://github.com/jnwhiteh/lua-bbcode 15:17 RealBadAngel like here 15:18 CraigyDavi What was this server called which was causing problems? 15:22 Taoki RealBadAngel: Since other developers aren't replying about this, think you could help me out? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1275 A very simple fix is needed to fix that crash, and get one of my mods working, which is currently unuseable due to this bug 15:25 RealBadAngel Taoki, already saw the issue, will try to fix it 15:25 Taoki Ok. Thank you, let me know how it goes 15:25 RealBadAngel propably later today, fixing now tooltips 15:26 RealBadAngel somebody screwed viewport scaling there 15:26 Taoki Awesome! Not a matter of hours, but the sooner the better in regard to days 15:26 Taoki I wish to get people running my mod and see what they think 15:27 RealBadAngel funny thing that resizing works correctly ingame but fails when in mainmenu 15:28 RealBadAngel btw, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1381 15:28 Taoki BTW... talking about formspecs. What does everyone think about adding a hook in builtin, that would allow setting a default background for all formspecs per-game, used unless the formspec specifies one of its own? 15:28 Taoki https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9531&p=145215#p145197 15:29 Taoki That would be useful, so for instance minetest_game could have some sort of formspec theme without having to modify each individual formspec (furnace, chest, inventory, etc) 15:29 RealBadAngel any objections? if not i will push it, those are simple tweaks just, instead of two "ifs" if - else if is used 15:30 RealBadAngel Taoki, UI is using such background, but have to define it anyway 15:31 Taoki IIRC only individual formspecs can define it 15:32 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/blob/master/textures/ui_form_bg.png 15:32 RealBadAngel such image can be scaled to fit any size 15:32 Taoki Oh? And that applies to all formspecs automatically? 15:32 RealBadAngel no no, it is defined as background for all the formspecs in ui 15:33 Taoki Depends what you mean by ui. Just the main menu, or all formspecs? 15:33 RealBadAngel UnifiedInventory 15:33 Taoki Aaah, I see 15:34 RealBadAngel and all its forms, it is used also in all chests, furnaces etc 15:34 Taoki Doesn't help me a lot though. Since the idea is making all and any formspec use a default background per game. 15:34 RealBadAngel one background for all, could be nice to just name it default_background.png or somethin like that 15:34 Taoki For example, if I have a workbench mod and add it to two different games with two different default formspec backgrounds, the formspec of my workbench uses each one's theme 15:34 Taoki yes, exactly 15:36 RealBadAngel next thing to add to my list ;) 15:37 Taoki ^^ 15:37 RealBadAngel next week or two i will code such small things anyway, have lotsa them waiting in line 16:12 RealBadAngel damn, at least i managed to get exactly same colours with and without shaders... 16:56 RealBadAngel finished faces shading feature, anybody wanna test it? 16:56 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1383 16:57 * sfan5 wants 16:57 Calinou this, with my light table 8) 16:57 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1362 17:00 Piggybear87 Could we (the Minetest community) have a swiveled head like in THE GAME THAT SHALL NOT BE MENTIONED? Or is it not possible? 17:01 sfan5 what is "THE GAME"? 17:02 Piggybear87 MineCraft.... Eeew, I feel sick now that I said it... 17:04 * RealBadAngel slaps Piggybear87 with a mese shovel 17:04 * Piggybear87 feels a bit better. 17:05 RealBadAngel sfan5, have you tested it? 17:06 sfan5 RealBadAngel: compiling.. 17:09 sfan5 Calinou: 19:08:34: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "dye_purple.png" while building texture || fix carbone 17:09 Calinou O_o, never got this 17:10 sfan5 RealBadAngel: I like it 17:10 sfan5 kinda looks like the sun is shining on every node 17:11 RealBadAngel i also made the colors the same with and without shaders 17:14 sfan5 Calinou: carbone's health bar is cut off by the inv 17:16 Calinou cut off by the inv? 17:16 Calinou anyway, it's often darkened for no reason 17:16 Calinou can't make entities use a fixed light level 17:17 RealBadAngel Calinou, what your light table changes? 17:19 sfan5 Calinou: https://mediacru.sh/ACjVj60tt5VY 17:28 Calinou nice 20:44 sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/670 20:45 sfan5 ^ someone should take a look at this 20:45 sapier I don't have a powerpc device 20:46 sfan5 I am talking about whether it seems ok to merge 20:46 sfan5 I don't have a powerpc device either 20:46 sfan5 actually 20:46 sfan5 I do 20:47 sfan5 my Wii even runs debian 20:47 sapier meaning you could test it? 20:48 sfan5 uh no 20:48 sfan5 it does not works atm 20:48 sfan5 but that is just a compiling problem anyway 20:48 sfan5 debian uses it in production 20:48 sfan5 I think it's safe to assume that patch works 20:48 sapier yes but as I commented just now I'm not sure if __BIG_ENDIAN__ isn't gcc only 20:50 sfan5 sapier: it is defined in endian.h 20:53 sapier http://www.google.de/url?q=ftp://ftp.irisa.fr/pub/OpenBSD/src/sys/sys/endian.h&sa=U&ei=BFmfU7jzA8LY7AavvoGAAw&ved=0CBwQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNEgMv07sFHQZM9mSIuVpztz35Ajlw 20:53 sapier not for openbsd 20:54 sfan5 does openbsd even run on powerpc? 20:54 sapier I think so yes 20:55 sfan5 it does not matter anyway 20:56 sfan5 if we merge the pull it will be broken on openbsd, if we don't merge the pull it will be broken on openbsd 20:57 sapier I'd still prefere a more complete solution instead of fixing things one by one that could be fixed once and forever 21:00 sapier or at least some "ifdef linux" so someone looking at this code will see why it doesn't work on his openbsd big endian device 21:01 sapier but of course that's my personal opinion 21:02 sfan5 sapier: debian uses a different patch now, they use #if _BYTE_ORDER == _BIG_ENDIAN 21:02 sapier so if noone knows a more generic solution I'd be fine with it too 21:02 sfan5 (that even works on openbsd) 21:02 sapier ok seems talking about it was worth it 21:17 sapier any comments to this one? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1379 22:05 RealBadAngel not much to comment there ;) 22:07 RealBadAngel seems ok 22:08 RealBadAngel sapier, where have you saw "18 multiplications instead of 3 " ?? 22:10 RealBadAngel its always 3 for each tile 22:11 RealBadAngel same as it was before 22:13 sapier ahh it's just 6 cases ... silly me 22:13 RealBadAngel now the values are just different 22:14 sapier just forget about that comment :-) 22:14 RealBadAngel and same for both shaders and non shaders 22:14 sapier btw I could need some help for android ogles2 shaders ;-) 22:15 RealBadAngel i removed some code that made colors different for shaders 22:15 RealBadAngel what about ogles2? 22:16 RealBadAngel so are you ok with #1383? 22:16 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1383 -- Improved faces shading with and without shaders. by RealBadAngel 22:16 Taoki RealBadAngel: Any screenshots of how improved face shading looks like? Just curious about it 22:17 RealBadAngel why dont you just try? :) 22:17 RealBadAngel but sure, hold on 22:17 sapier I haven't tested it but code wise it's fine 22:19 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/eUNfhfN.png 22:20 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/lyXyBVo.jpg 22:21 sapier why isn't floor improved too? ;-) 22:22 RealBadAngel sadly i cannot make comparissions, non-shaders look exactly the same ;) 22:25 sapier I know :-) 22:25 RealBadAngel trying to find old screenshots, before i applied that to non-shaders code 22:27 sapier ok android with hardware floating point will have to wait some time ... unless I find a way to fix openal-soft ... once this is in mt crashes immediatly 22:27 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/rRYwBxT.jpg vs http://i.imgur.com/pCMwQjy.jpg 22:28 RealBadAngel http://i.imgur.com/6GrCtos.png vs http://i.imgur.com/fAzrVVo.png 22:29 RealBadAngel without effect vs with new effect 22:30 RealBadAngel but actual code is slightly better fine tuned 22:30 RealBadAngel above screenshots are 3 days old 22:30 sapier does the effect change direction during daytime ? ;-) 22:31 RealBadAngel ofc not, it has nothing to do with time of day 22:31 RealBadAngel before top was most bright, rest of faces were darker 22:32 sapier ;-) I was joking directional change is a different feature 22:32 RealBadAngel now top is same bright as before, but pairs NS and WE are darker but different value in pairs, bottom is most dark 22:34 sapier how much effort would you expect it to be to change dark side during day? 22:34 sapier e.g. east/south morning, south midday, west/north afternoon 22:34 RealBadAngel no point doing that without havin sun position ingame 22:35 sapier hmm true, we'd have to do it configurable in order not to get bad results on space game 22:36 RealBadAngel when the sun/moon comes in such thingy will become trivial do to 22:36 RealBadAngel "do to" lmao 22:37 Taoki RealBadAngel: Looks very nice! 22:37 Taoki Yes, please merge that :D 22:38 Taoki This new lighting looks like a lot of quality 22:38 RealBadAngel sapier what openal has to do with ogles2? 22:40 sapier nothing that's a different topic 22:40 sapier shaders is our well known "red"-effect on android too 22:40 RealBadAngel i can develop android version of shaders 22:41 RealBadAngel bumpmapping is possible there too 22:41 sapier lets first get ogles1 to fly ... ogles2 seems to be slower 22:41 sapier but of course for high end devices it'd be a good option 22:41 RealBadAngel but for starters i can strip down current ones just to working state with no effects at all 22:42 RealBadAngel maybe just those vertex ones 22:42 sapier but as I don't know anything about shaders I need help 22:42 RealBadAngel i do have 2 android devices, i will try to make them run 22:43 sapier hmm that crash with sound could be libvorbis too 22:45 RealBadAngel so im going now to merge 1383 22:45 RealBadAngel any objections with #1381 ? 22:45 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1381 -- L-systems treegen code tweaks. by RealBadAngel 22:45 RealBadAngel it is obvious, just asking 22:46 RealBadAngel if else if instead of if if 22:46 sapier no just merge it 22:47 RealBadAngel after that we will get into some more problematic one ;) 22:47 RealBadAngel and bugs 22:47 RealBadAngel i found one rather annoying 22:48 RealBadAngel resizing viewport in mainmenu is somehow fucked up 22:49 RealBadAngel tooltip rectangles doesnt match buttons when viewport is resized 22:49 RealBadAngel most funny that it works correctly ingame 22:52 sapier it isn't 22:52 sapier mainmenu doesn't resize at all 22:52 sapier it's just fixed to 800x600 screen 22:53 sapier basicaly for mainmenu screen is always 800x600 no matter how much room is around 22:58 RealBadAngel so why rectangles doesnt match buttons anymore?