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ShadowNinja |
~tell sapier It doesn't work at all without cout/cerr. |
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ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: O.K. |
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VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: regarding http://ix.io/atr , I think set the max length to 256 |
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VanessaE |
seems that even 512 is enough to "fill" some folks' screens. |
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Exio4 |
but, wait, getting a message lost there, that is sad when you had to write 1025 characters to just ending in nothing |
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VanessaE |
so then maybe the client should retain it in the input buffer/dialog in such a case? |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
if the client doesn't filter it out and it makes it to the server, well the server has little choice but to drop it, no? |
| 02:53 |
Exio4 |
i would do it like minecraft (don't kill me, hey!), more than MAX_CHAT_LENGTH means no char is typed locally |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
or the client should enforce a limit on the input length itself? |
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VanessaE |
yes, that |
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Exio4 |
what about cutting the string to the limit |
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Exio4 |
cutting the string to the limit |
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Exio4 |
super-english! |
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daspork |
I think my patch broke someting :P |
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daspork |
I need to play with a clean master to see if i can reproduce it... I have fallen through the world twice... |
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daspork |
I wasnt close to any of my custom nodes at the time so who knows lol |
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ShadowNinja |
Exio4: That's a unrealistically long line. That would need to be split into at least three messages on IRC. |
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Exio4 |
couldn't it split it too? if length>1024 then cut there; split first 256 chars; send those, call the same function with the rest of the string? |
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celeron55_ |
04:45:23 <+ShadowNinja> ~tell sapier It doesn't work at all without cout/cerr. |
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celeron55_ |
wat |
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celeron55_ |
i think you simply fail to use minetest's log levels |
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celeron55_ |
how about learning how they work instead of assuming it's broken and using a stupid workaround |
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celeron55_ |
and dropping chat messages is stupid and will make anyone mad that writes a long enough message to get dropped |
| 12:26 |
celeron55_ |
just make the client show only the beginning of long chat messages and show them fully in the console |
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celeron55_ |
or something sane like that |
| 12:26 |
celeron55_ |
long messages aren't the server's problem |
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celeron55_ |
and why do i have to tell these to you, they're not hard to imagine yourself |
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CiaranG |
Ok, I think I've found a bug that's been bugging me for a long time. It goes like this: |
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CiaranG |
1. map block becomes inactive, 2. 29 seconds (by default) later, the server async thread unloads it, 3. at the same time (within a second or two) the block becomes active again |
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CiaranG |
(actually, 2 and 3 happen in the opposite order) |
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CiaranG |
In other words, when a block becomes active, aside from making it load, nothing actually updates the 'last used' time, so there is still a short window when it can be unloaded |
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CiaranG |
This results in all manner of strange behaviour (from the player's perspective, placing blocks and having them disappear, occasionally, randomly, etc) |
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CiaranG |
Anyone able to say "yes, that sounds right" or "no, that's impossible"? |
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CiaranG |
I think I'm right, because I'm able to reproduce this quite regularly, but after inserting block->resetUsageTimer() at the top of ServerEnvironment::activateBlock it doesn't happen any more |
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ShadowNinja |
celeron55_: I tried actionstream first, it interprets \r the same as \n. And there's a reason for that drop. I'll change it to a clip if it's so requested though. |
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sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: why would you want to use \r ? |
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ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Because it rewrites the line rather than creating a new one. |
| 16:02 |
sfan5 |
ik that, but for which specific case do you want to use this? |
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ShadowNinja |
sfan5: See the patch. It makes backend migration less floody. |
| 16:03 |
sfan5 |
ah |
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xyz |
that issue is so important! |
| 16:36 |
sfan5 |
shall we maybe start to educate users (in the world creating menu) about map backends? |
| 16:39 |
xyz |
no you should just switch to leveldb |
| 16:43 |
xyz |
it's available on all platforms, isn't it? |
| 16:44 |
xyz |
it works better |
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xyz |
so there's no reason to stay on sqlite |
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VanessaE |
minetestmapper. |
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sfan5 |
pff |
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sfan5 |
there are leveldb bindings for python |
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VanessaE |
less'n you're volunteering to rewrite both the C++ and python ones, that is. |
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sfan5 |
that's no reason |
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sfan5 |
you need to change some stuff |
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sfan5 |
but not much |
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xyz |
and it's shit anyway |
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VanessaE |
sfan5: who honestly still uses that slow-ass python one? |
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sfan5 |
VanessaE: dunno |
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VanessaE |
the C++ one is like 50 times faster |
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xyz |
is it in main source tree? |
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sfan5 |
also sqlite3 is a database and we use it for key-value storage |
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sfan5 |
has anyone taken a look at rocksdb? |
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VanessaE |
xyz: I've asked for it to be included. no one gave a good reason why it can't be. |
| 16:46 |
xyz |
ah |
| 16:46 |
xyz |
that sucks |
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VanessaE |
https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest-mapper-cpp |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja's fork has the fewest bugs :) |
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xyz |
sfan5: there's literally no reason to change databases randomly |
| 16:46 |
xyz |
what we see is: sqlite is slow, leveldb is fast |
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VanessaE |
(the only bug I know of actually is that the map/server needs to be completely idle or it'll produce a broken image) |
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xyz |
fast enough so you won't notice a difference by switching to another kv storage |
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xyz |
and sqlite is slow enough to notice the difference |
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xyz |
takes several seconds to flush iir |
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xyz |
iirc* |
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xyz |
VanessaE: maybe someone should incorporate it into main source tree, so it won't need to read map by itself |
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xyz |
and just use available map backends |
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VanessaE |
xyz: it would be nice. |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
that util is WAY too handy to not have around |
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VanessaE |
and it's more versatile than the python one as well |
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VanessaE |
it can create much larger images, for example |
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xyz |
but still no isometric |
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VanessaE |
yeah |
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xyz |
which is unfortunate |
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VanessaE |
onomatopoeia was nice looking |
| 16:51 |
xyz |
ah right |
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xyz |
but then I found out that developing an isometric mapper isn't fun |
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kahrl |
being a util, the C++ mapper falls into startup/config/util, right? so I guess I will pronounce that it shall be included in the main tree |
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VanessaE |
\o/ |
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VanessaE |
oh I forgot to mention.. xyz, PenguinDad mentioned earlier that he couldn't connect to one of my servers using freeminer. He did not indicate what version/git commit. |
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VanessaE |
probably related to my using sapier's pull (1143) |
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proller |
99% its from sapiers connection remi |
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proller |
x |
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xyz |
VanessaE: then ignore him until he says what version he used |
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VanessaE |
I didn't have a chance to reply, only saw it in my scrollback. |
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PengunDad |
I tried both the "stable" Version of freeminer and latest commit on master |
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VanessaE |
hah, there he is :P |
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xyz |
well then it's kinda bad :( |
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Selat |
Hello. What about this pull request https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1151? |
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PilzAdam |
Selat, its not good that you removed 2 algorithms (juding by your changes to the docs) |
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proller |
who use this algorithms ? |
| 18:33 |
Selat |
I already written that there were only two algorithms. One of them was shit thqat shouldn't used in such case. |
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celeron55_ |
who made the original code? sapier? |
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PilzAdam |
celeron55_, yes |
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PilzAdam |
its only used in mobf, but there might be other mods that use it |
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celeron55_ |
i like the diff stats on that pull request, assuming it doesn't remove anything that was actually useful and doesn't have huge speed regressions |
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Selat |
It have huge spped improvement in average case. |
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proller |
original was slower than lua in some cases (by sapier tests) |
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xyz |
Selat: (offtopic) do you have any background in programming contests? |
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VanessaE |
inb4 mr. 'all numbers' username on the forums constant requests for mods with deadlines of late in the year is mentioned. :) |
| 18:53 |
Selat |
yes |
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xyz |
I see; expected that |
| 18:59 |
xyz |
VanessaE: what was this about? |
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sfan5 |
xyz: have a diagram: http://i.imgur.com/9S5K0TV.png |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
xyz: when you mentioned programming contests, the first thing I thought of was that guy who was trolling the forums. ALL CAPS posts, thinks he's "all that", all-numeric username, trying to get others to code MC-alike mods for him, promising some kind of vague prize to be awarded late in the year, etc. |
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xyz |
wait, how's that related to programming contests? |
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xyz |
sfan5: that diagram should be in caps |
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sfan5 |
haha |
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rubenwardy |
That username sucks. Someone could easily make an account that looks like him. Not that they would want to. |
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VanessaE |
xyz: because the way his posts are written, that's exactly what he acts like he's trying to accomplish? |
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VanessaE |
a contest, as in a competition to produce the best of something? |
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sfan5 |
I'm sure he/she will claim the price and release it as his/her mod |
| 19:14 |
VanessaE |
probably :P |
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xyz |
I actually referred to things like ACM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACM_International_Collegiate_Programming_Contest |
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