Time  Nick          Message
10:58 OldCoder      Hi. Just stopping by. Would anybody awake care to name a world?
11:05 proller       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/994 is any objections except tab-space?
14:26 proller       https://github.com/proller/minetest/compare/mapgenindev - fixed spaces, will commit if no objections
14:26 proller       (trivial float islands fix)
14:31 PilzAdam      proller, is that the commit by 0gb.us ?
14:36 proller       same but wish tabs
14:36 proller       checked
14:36 PilzAdam      you shouldnt change the author of the commit
14:36 proller       it 100% differ
14:37 proller       because no tabs in his
14:37 PilzAdam      then change his commit, but dont create a new one
14:37 proller       i can commit his, and my
14:37 proller       simpler make 2 commits
14:56 hmmmm         actually the author of that commit is paramat
14:57 hmmmm         but paramat didn't know how to make a pull request
17:16 sapier        PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/884 is still open for review you said yesterday there's still something wrong with it?
17:30 PilzAdam      sapier, I said <PilzAdam>	I guess #884 is good enough
17:32 sapier        oh sorry did remember this wrong. ok as you're second one to agree I'm gonna merge it in half an hour if noone is against it
17:50 ShadowNinja   Comments on #995?
17:58 sapier        I guess noone is actually able to check it in detail but it seems to be fine I'm for merge
17:59 VanessaE      I've have had no problems with it so far.  With one exception [*], it's worked exactly as planned.
18:00 VanessaE      ( [*] some folks, myself included, have noticed the occasional crash where no error data is printed and the server seems to exit without a proper shutdown)
18:01 VanessaE      (but that crash is likely unrelated)
22:14 celeron55     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7027
22:15 celeron55     i like a lot how this looks, but oh god how fucking slow it makes map generation
22:15 celeron55     it's completely ridiculously slow
22:15 PilzAdam      worse than moretrees?
22:15 celeron55     try it
22:16 celeron55     well, it *contains* moretrees
22:16 PilzAdam      "without stressing your system too much"
22:17 celeron55     8D
22:17 EvergreenTree Lol, not anymore
22:17 celeron55     it's like a joke
22:17 EvergreenTree Still looks beautiful
22:17 PilzAdam      see my first reply to that topic
22:19 PilzAdam      lol, all the screenshots have 1 to 5 FPS
22:19 celeron55     also, wtf are these semi-transparent leaves in trees
22:20 EvergreenTree Yes, they look terrible without it
22:20 celeron55     they get completely screwed up because of no depth sorting
22:20 EvergreenTree Which does look terrible
22:21 celeron55     http://i.imgur.com/eSJ8sxe.png
22:21 celeron55     whoever thinks this looks reasonable shall raise his hand up
22:21 celeron55     and i'll cut that hand off
22:24 RealBadAngel  hehe
22:25 RealBadAngel  celeron55, take a look at those screenshots: http://realbadangel.pl/images/HavenNG_1.png http://realbadangel.pl/images/HavenNG_2.png http://realbadangel.pl/images/HavenNG_3.png
22:26 celeron55     i don't like that style
22:29 celeron55     apparently the "trees" mod defines two nodes with use_texture_alpha
22:29 celeron55     fairly easy to edit that out
22:33 sapier        rba is there a texture pack using that style? I like it :-)
22:35 celeron55     i love how this game generates so much good-looking natural stuff that i don't even notice all of it
22:38 PilzAdam      feels like skyblock when you enter the world and only 1 block is generated
22:39 sapier        is there any way to tell a server to pregenerate worlds?
22:39 sapier        not full world of course
22:39 sapier        but maybe the area new users usually spawn
22:39 PilzAdam      sapier, I have an explore mod for that that teleports a player
22:39 VanessaE      celeron55: on my box, undergrowth + dryplants + ferns + moretrees (which, taken together, form the majority of Eden) is pretty fast to generate.
22:40 sapier        don't know what mobf version is in there but looking at map design I'd suggest enabling "delayed mob spawning" in that game :-)
22:40 VanessaE      however, those screwed-up-alpha leaves look like shit, agreed.
22:41 celeron55     VanessaE: "your box" is probably about 10 of my boxes though
22:41 PilzAdam      "ERROR[ServerThread]: ServerEnvironment::addActiveObjectRaw(): could not find block for storing id=191 statically (pos=(-150,16,-9))" wasnt that supposed to be fixed?
22:41 VanessaE      celeron55: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T, 2.8 Ghz, of which minetest server routinely only uses one core during generation
22:42 VanessaE      so it's only a little over half what a high-end machine can do :)
22:42 VanessaE      I expect that your "other" machine (not the laptop) would perform similarly
22:42 celeron55     my laptop is probably a little under 20th of what current high-end machines are
22:42 VanessaE      PilzAdam: that happens constantly for me
22:43 VanessaE      celeron55: right, so I've heard :)
22:43 celeron55     (well okay, more like 10th-20th)
22:44 celeron55     PilzAdam: there are issues left; fixing the "flying in UFO" case didn't fix other cases apparently
22:45 sapier        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/971 some decision about this one? (msvc i18n)
22:47 VanessaE      celeron55: in terms of mapgen speed, I'd figure your laptop wouldn't be any less than about one third of what my machine does?
22:50 sapier        I'd not be sure about that vanessae there are to many things that may influence map generation
22:50 sapier        especially if large parts are done in lua
22:51 VanessaE      true.
22:51 celeron55     oh
22:51 celeron55     now that you mentioned that, i remembered that i probably have a non-luajit build here
22:51 celeron55     that tends to explain slowness related to plants_lib 8)
22:52 sapier        that is a big difference ;-) yet it will only take full effect if those mods use voxelmanip
22:52 VanessaE      celeron55:  heh, yeah
22:55 sapier        any idea why we package lua instead of luajit with minetest? most interesting mods don't even work acceptable with lua
22:55 VanessaE      because the luajit author says not to.
22:55 sapier        ok good reason
22:55 VanessaE      he says to use it as a normal shared lib
22:56 sapier        oh not a license thing but recommendation "only"?
23:01 VanessaE      yeah
23:02 VanessaE      I've forgotten the reasoning behind it, but it's probably so that the exteral lib can be more easily maintained by the sysadmin or something.
23:02 sapier        yes but that'd be true for lua too
23:03 VanessaE      tru
23:03 VanessaE      true*
23:03 VanessaE      imho, there's no *real* reason not to bundle luajit as long as it's kept up-to-date.
23:04 VanessaE      (or up-to-date enough to fix bugs or exploit new features as needed, anyway)
23:04 sapier        by now luajit was a little bit less debuggable but as shadow fixed that issues I guess switching might be a good idea
23:04 sapier        that's no difference to included lua ;-)
23:04 VanessaE      what about it, ShadowNinja, celeron55 ?
23:05 VanessaE      (it would be one less separate compile step in my updater script ;)
23:14 RealBadAngel  sapier, im preparing that texture pack, with normalmaps and heightmaps
23:14 OldCoder      Test
23:14 OldCoder      k
23:14 sapier        I really like it so I look forward to it beeing finished
23:15 RealBadAngel  i will upload working win build with this texture pack today
23:15 sapier        :-/
23:16 RealBadAngel  for linux you can build from sources and download just the texture pack
23:16 OldCoder      Hi. SegFault22 requests permission to speak here. I do not know the occasion. But he cannot send to channel. It may be due to use of web gateway.
23:17 sapier        ok :-)
23:18 sapier        there's no rule to not speak here except avoiding chitchat ;-)
23:18 OldCoder      How shall he speak? Is there a way to tell why he cannot send to channel?
23:18 OldCoder      <SegFault22> Cannot send to channel: #minetest-dev
23:18 VanessaE      the web gateway is indeed muted here.
23:19 OldCoder      All right
23:19 OldCoder      One moment
23:19 VanessaE      SegFault22: get on a real IRC client instead.
23:21 OldCoder      He will consider a genuine client. Thank you for your time.
23:28 SegFault22    I am here to propose a change to the engine/API, dealing with Crafting Definition types.
23:30 SegFault22    The idea is to add to the modding API a method of registering crafting definition types, similar to how groups work.
23:34 SegFault22    This would allow modders to add their own crafting definition types, possibly even machines similar to the furnace, but using different fuels/inputs/outputs.
23:35 SegFault22    For example, a type could be added called "smelting", which is used by a machine called the "smelter", using special fuels (another crafting definition type) and recipes ("smelting" recipes)
23:37 VanessaE      ...so that cooking e.g. pies is a distinctly different process from smelting iron into steel.
23:37 SegFault22    Exactly.
23:37 VanessaE      I could support this idea.
23:38 VanessaE      I'e always found it kind of odd that you can cook a rat in the same machine you'd use to sinter sand into glass :P
23:40 VanessaE      the default game would need to add a smelting oven and move its recipes to that, of course.  That would leave the existing furnace basically unused.
23:40 VanessaE      but as long as the existing furnace remains and works, nothing would break.
23:41 VanessaE      the smelting oven could be made out of clay blocks that are first fired in a conventional furnace, to make some kind of "cinderblock" analog.
23:45 SegFault22    The code would be identical except for things like what crafting-type the machine does, what group of fuels it uses, etc.
23:49 SegFault22    This change would remove the need for "horrible hackwork" to make such a machine, and the modders could make several different kinds of machines, doing several different crafting-types - thus making more creative, awesome features be added to many different mods. This would also gain popularity for Minetest, and the community would grow more, with the addition giving more of a reason for someone to join.
23:51 SegFault22    If I could make this change and submit it, I would, but since I have almost no programming knowledge at all, I can not do that. That is why I have proposed the idea here, with the hope that someone who can, may make the necessary changes and submit them.
23:52 SegFault22    Thank you.