Time  Nick         Message
13:19 blue42u      Hi.
13:22 blue42u      Hi.
13:23 Exio         hi :P
13:23 blue42u      If your interested:
13:23 blue42u      https://github.com/blue42u/metology/tree/panning_menubg
13:24 RealBadAngel nice idea
13:25 RealBadAngel but scroll is a bit too fast
13:25 blue42u      How slow do you want it?
13:25 RealBadAngel could look nice with 360deg panorama screenshot
13:26 RealBadAngel make a setting for it somwhere inside the code
13:26 RealBadAngel so one can play with it
13:27 blue42u      By define, or use a varible?
13:27 RealBadAngel i will make later today sample panoramic screnshot to test it
13:27 RealBadAngel make a variable for it
13:36 blue42u      Try it now.
13:37 blue42u      I think you can put a line in minetest.conf: menupan_speed = 16
13:38 blue42u      or something like that
14:03 blue42u      hmmm, did you try out my fork again?
14:05 troller      can we use "auto" type?
14:06 blue42u      I thought that auto was implicit if you didn't put anything else.
14:08 hmmmm        i didn't try it out, i looked at it though
14:09 hmmmm        just a couple things to point out
14:09 hmmmm        minor things really
14:10 blue42u      Like....?
14:10 hmmmm        you named that struct hud_element, but we use PascalCase to name classes
14:10 hmmmm        (**it).remove();  <--- what?  why not (*it)->remove();
14:10 blue42u      Oh.
14:11 hmmmm        then there's a big bunch of if blah == 1, if blah == 2,  ... somewhere
14:11 blue42u      Is there a better way to do that?
14:11 hmmmm        a switch statement would be really great there, and you should be comparing against defined values, not just random numbers like that
14:12 hmmmm        for example, #define STAT_VALUE_POS 0  #define STAT_VALUE_NAME 1 ... so on
14:12 blue42u      Ah. Where is it?
14:12 hmmmm        switch (stat) { case STAT_VALUE_POS: e->pos = read_v2f( ....
14:13 hmmmm        line 780, scriptapi_object.cpp
14:14 hmmmm        functionally, it looks decent
14:14 hmmmm        but what's the deal with hud_get_next_id()?  don't really understand that
14:15 hmmmm        also what's going on with the lock/unlock bars
14:16 blue42u      hud_get_next_id() returns the next empty id that one can use.
14:16 hmmmm        that's kind of obvious, but why does that even exist is my question
14:17 blue42u      If you have 5 mods that use this, they can't ALL use id 0, and you can't expect everyone to look for other mods that use the hud.
14:17 blue42u      This way, they can request an empty id to use.
14:17 hmmmm        do you realize that lua api can return values?
14:18 blue42u      Yeah, but C++ is 2x faster.
14:18 hmmmm        erm..
14:19 hmmmm        anyway, what i would do here would have hud_add return the id of the newly created hud
14:19 blue42u      ...And then people would complain about not being able to COMPLEATLY overwrite a hud element.
14:20 blue42u      ...At least not in one line.
14:20 hmmmm        you see, that's something that i'd really not like
14:20 hmmmm        it seems that the popular opinion is that mods should be able to screw up others' mods
14:21 blue42u      Well, I suppose you can use the hud_change stuff to accomplish that...
14:23 hmmmm        whether it's because the overriding mod believes that it knows what its doing, or because the overriding mod just wishes to 'take over' the game, that's really not a desirable behavior
14:33 blue42u      Take a look now.
14:36 blue42u      Is that everything?
14:39 hmmmm        erm.
14:39 hmmmm        i'll take it from here if you don't mind
14:39 blue42u      Ok.
14:40 hmmmm        when you're using a switch statement, you need to break out of it after you're done executing the code in your case, otherwise it'll fall through to the next case
14:40 blue42u      oohhhh....
14:40 hmmmm        so in that example, when stat is HUD_STAT_POS, it actually executes all of those assignments
14:41 hmmmm        so there's a huge bug right off
14:41 hmmmm        i'll take care of it
14:41 hmmmm        don't worry
14:41 hmmmm        and now what's with the lock_next_bar and unlock_bar thing?
14:42 blue42u      So that you can take a statbar position and not let anyone else use it.
14:42 blue42u      Its not a good implimentation, but at least it worked.
14:46 hmmmm        there are a bunch of things that i'd like to change, that included, but it'd be easier if i just did them instead of spending just as much time talking about it on irc
14:46 hmmmm        you don't mind, do you?
14:46 hmmmm        i don't mean to intrude on your work
14:50 blue42u      No, I don't mind.
14:54 blue42u      Do whatever you like to my code. :)
14:55 hmmmm        image, statbar, text, inv
14:55 hmmmm        well he just left
14:55 hmmmm        i wonder if he intended to use the 'text' hud type in order to display numerical counters
14:55 hmmmm        well, i don't think it matters really
14:56 hmmmm        if i were doing the bar api exactly the way i was going to, i would've made the counter a type of statbar
14:57 hmmmm        need to see how complicated changing a string of text is with his protocol... hopefully the HUD_CHANGE packet can do this as well so someone doesn't have to remove and readd the text element
14:58 hmmmm        lol, using core::vector2df instead of v2f
15:05 Exio         isn't v2f a typedef to core::vector2df?
15:08 hmmmm        yes
15:10 Exio         aw
15:17 RealBadAngel hi hmmmm
15:17 hmmmm        hello
15:17 RealBadAngel what do you think about this music for menu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tb3Ax7Nt7o
15:18 RealBadAngel or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gly1XleRWE
15:18 RealBadAngel imho 2nd fits better
15:18 hmmmm        the first one almost sounds like it should be the menu music for devil may cry
15:19 RealBadAngel neuromancer got author's permission for noncomercial use of it (in minetest ofc)
15:19 hmmmm        i don't get it, is there a reason why people use pointers to things in ClientEvent?
15:20 emptty       noncommercial is a too harsh limitation, IMHO
15:20 RealBadAngel hold on
15:20 hmmmm        storing an std::string * i can understand, since if it weren't a pointer that'd make it a non-POD type, but i just don't understand the reasoning behind making v2f and v3f pointers
15:20 emptty       that would not be acceptable in Debian and ubuntu, for example
15:20 RealBadAngel "I can't give you a formal license (legal paperwork) for it, but as long as it's non-commercial I can give you my personal blessing and guarantee that you won't get in trouble for using it :) If that's enough just feel free to use any of my tracks. Please credit the music properly though, and include a link to www.amethystium.com and www.am.mu (it's the same site right now, but the latter will be a label/music store site soon).
15:20 RealBadAngel Best regards,
15:20 RealBadAngel Øystein Ramfjord"
15:21 hmmmm        the second song fits really well
15:21 hmmmm        ask more people about it though
15:21 emptty       non-commercial is ways too restrictive
15:22 RealBadAngel hmmmm, those track were already used in ambience mod long time ago
15:22 emptty       I'm fine with minetest using it, but I'll have to prune it away from the debian package so that it can stay in the main section of the distro
15:22 RealBadAngel in fact any user can have it own music for intro
15:22 RealBadAngel replacing the file will do the trick
15:22 hmmmm        if debian is really that restrictive, then shouldn't we package the music separately?
15:22 emptty       some people sell debian CD to others who prefer to buy it instead of burning them themselves and we are fine with it
15:23 PilzAdam     RealBadAngel, I would feel better if we had real free music
15:23 emptty       non-commercial is an incredibly restrictive licensing clause
15:23 RealBadAngel authors gave us their permissions and blessings
15:23 hmmmm        i don't feel like minetest is losing anything by not having menu music
15:23 RealBadAngel what do we want more?
15:23 PilzAdam     instead of "I prolly wont sue you"
15:23 hmmmm        well he can't sue us to begin with for a couple reasons
15:24 hmmmm        first off he'd have to send a DMCA takedown request
15:24 emptty       authors didn't give a sufficient blessing: they prevent people to sell somehting using that
15:26 RealBadAngel as long we are not selling anything, have permission, we can use it
15:26 RealBadAngel simple as that
15:26 emptty       yes, indeed. You can use that
15:26 emptty       we can't
15:26 hmmmm        us using it != others packaging it
15:26 emptty       http://opensource.org/docs/definition.php -> 6th item
15:26 RealBadAngel he gave permission to use it in minetest
15:26 RealBadAngel not for personal use
15:26 RealBadAngel for the project
15:27 RealBadAngel same as Skaven
15:27 emptty       that's as if the texture were distributed as CC-BY-NC-SA. That would be non-free from the opensource.org definition (which is the one used in debian, ubuntu and a bunch of other linux distros/communities)
15:28 RealBadAngel i dont care bout debian at all, its not related to project
15:28 emptty       sure, get one third of your user community to the trashcan. Why should you care, after all?
15:29 RealBadAngel thinkin this way you could say minetest run on propertiary hardware, with licensed parts
15:29 RealBadAngel what one has to do with another?
15:29 emptty       As I said, I'm fine with your decisions, which ever they are. You are the author of the software, you do what you want
15:29 Exio         if the "music" can be a separated package, i'd ok with it
15:30 hmmmm        same here ^
15:30 RealBadAngel ok, we can make it separate
15:30 emptty       we repack the source for debian already, so that will be easy
15:31 emptty       simply make the source code robust to the fact that the music files can not be there, and we are all set
15:31 hmmmm        oh my god
15:31 hmmmm        why do people keep using 'or' instead of ||
15:31 hmmmm        i feel like i want to kill somebody
15:31 RealBadAngel adding the music will be as simple as unpack it to /sounds folder
15:31 Exio         is or valid in C++?
15:31 hmmmm        unfortunately it is
15:32 emptty       RealBadAngel: if you could write the license of the source files (and texture?) somewhere, I would be fully completely happy, please
15:32 RealBadAngel what source files? what texture?
15:33 emptty       I meant sound file, not source file, actually. Sorry
15:34 RealBadAngel sure
15:35 RealBadAngel hmmmm, have you seen panning background by blue42?
15:36 hmmmm        no
15:36 RealBadAngel https://github.com/blue42u/metology/tree/panning_menubg
15:36 hmmmm        yes, i could've gotten the link if i wanted to
15:36 RealBadAngel background image can be scrolled easily
15:36 hmmmm        i am not looking at it right now
15:37 RealBadAngel i will try to make 360deg screenshot for it
15:37 RealBadAngel i think it could look nice
15:44 hmmmm        khonkortisan, blue42u, and someone else all used or instead of ||
15:44 hmmmm        why
15:44 hmmmm        what is the driving motivation to do that shit
15:45 hmmmm        if i don't go through every single line that is going to get committed, something dumb like this will sneak in
15:46 hmmmm        we would benefit so much with the linux-style chain of command..
15:49 hmmmm        instead of constants for direction, he puts a comment that says NOTE: direction 0->left-right, ... in between the function declaration and the body
15:49 hmmmm        come on, common sense man
16:02 VanessaE     maybe some folks just consider things like 'or' instead of '||' to be more readable?
16:04 hmmmm        nobody uses or
16:04 hmmmm        it's like the single most obscure operator in C++
16:07 RealBadAngel or is more readable by human beings
16:07 hmmmm        alright i had to add it into the code style guidelines
16:07 hmmmm        i thought it was obvious to not use or
16:07 RealBadAngel im not using it
16:07 RealBadAngel i just noticed the fact
16:08 RealBadAngel coders are not common human beings tho ;)
16:08 hmmmm        i guess this is how immigration departments feel when they need to write stuff like "honor killings are not acceptable in this country"
16:09 RealBadAngel you know already that im using many hardcdore tricks like bit shifting etc
16:09 RealBadAngel and those are obvious to us, but not for everybody
16:10 hmmmm        that's not hardcore
16:10 RealBadAngel well, i mean by that, real coding. trained with asm
16:10 RealBadAngel not visual shit
16:10 hmmmm        there http://dev.minetest.net/Code_style_guidelines#Miscellaneous
16:10 Exio         l33t-code
16:11 hmmmm        i hope i made it clear enough
16:11 Exio         you missed the red
16:11 hmmmm        i don't know how to do colored text in the wiki
16:11 Exio         hahaha
16:12 hmmmm        long story short, every time somebody decides "i need to use 'or'", and we don't catch it before it goes in, compilation breaks
16:12 hmmmm        and it also looks stupid
16:15 hmmmm        ah here we go, i got the red text now
16:17 RealBadAngel you may link this after red part, we do have permission to use it ;)
16:17 RealBadAngel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBHphE7TVo
16:20 RealBadAngel gosh i would love to have such tune as default minetest score :)
16:20 hmmmm        actually that is a really good track
16:20 hmmmm        i think i'd prefer to have that as the main menu music
16:20 hmmmm        but again... not bundled *with* the game
16:21 RealBadAngel you know that we can use it
16:21 hmmmm        maybe we can have a "cool stuff" package that installs that along with some commonly used mods or whatever
16:21 RealBadAngel common_sounds package
16:22 RealBadAngel we could put there some music, default node sounds etc
16:22 RealBadAngel server dont have to send music files, they can be stored on client side
16:23 RealBadAngel server could send sounds only when mods want to override default ones
16:26 hmmmm        ya
16:27 hmmmm        that makes way more sense, i don't get why the default sounds aren't already cached
16:27 RealBadAngel code for this is long time here
16:28 RealBadAngel all we have to do is to move sound files to another folder
16:28 RealBadAngel nothin more
16:40 hmmmm        btw the default sounds blow
16:40 hmmmm        they're all variations of the same 'tap'
16:41 hmmmm        was wondering if maybe we should get a real sound pack in
16:42 RealBadAngel new folder, new sounds? :)
16:43 RealBadAngel btw, what do you think about this piece? http://realbadangel.pl/technic_mod/music/technic_track5.ogg
16:46 RealBadAngel just a thought
16:47 RealBadAngel since we do have permissions from two artists
16:47 RealBadAngel creating completely differnt kinds of musics
16:49 RealBadAngel one soft, slow and another one fast paced, guitars and high bpm
16:49 RealBadAngel we can do two music packs for the game
16:51 RealBadAngel this way by packagin them seperately we achieve two goals
16:51 hmmmm        sure, if you'd like
16:51 RealBadAngel separating game (and licences) from main game
16:51 RealBadAngel *music
16:52 RealBadAngel and giving folks variety to choose from
16:52 RealBadAngel so i think everybody will be happy then
17:03 emptty       I'd love this
17:04 Deivan       RealBadAngel, your circular saw have the same bug than my mod have when get a item and leave over another one in the main inventory the second item disappear.
17:04 Deivan       :-/
17:04 Deivan       Ops, the more blocks is your no?
17:04 Deivan       :-o
17:04 RealBadAngel huh? my circular saw? apage satanas :P
17:05 Deivan       Ops, wrong name...
17:05 Deivan       LOL
17:05 Deivan       I am losting items with the workbench...  :-/
17:06 RealBadAngel i will implement another way of getting cutted nodes
17:06 Deivan       I need help with the "on_metadata_inventory_take" function
17:06 RealBadAngel read default chest code
17:06 Deivan       Roger, roger.
17:06 Deivan       Thanks.
17:07 RealBadAngel wait
17:07 Zeg9         RealBadAngel, just listened to technic_track5... Nice music. What about having a map setting for music ?
17:07 RealBadAngel go for technic chests
17:07 PilzAdam     RealBadAngel, do you have a fix for the screwdriver to not allow rotating doors?
17:07 RealBadAngel the very same code there is separated
17:07 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, yes i do
17:08 RealBadAngel will push it this weekend
17:09 RealBadAngel (weekend for me started 2 hrs ago, but also includes monday)
17:20 blue42u      hmmm, did you have a question for me?
17:31 hmmmm        ahgh he keeps leaving
17:31 hmmmm        why not just idle in the channel
17:32 PilzAdam     hey, hmmmm, I have a question
17:32 hmmmm        cute
17:33 hmmmm        hmm
17:33 hmmmm        the non-conflict statbar type.. is displaycenter updated?
17:33 hmmmm        also what's with the adding and subtracting the same exact number
17:34 hmmmm        unrelated, but i think this is a good chance to split into a hud.cpp
17:35 hmmmm        it'd clean up a little bit of game.cpp...
17:35 hmmmm        plus i'd encapsulate it into a class so you don't need to keep passing around the videodriver object and what not
17:36 hmmmm        basically, whenever people expand a very basic feature into something more featureful, like this, it's a decent opportunity to give the entire thing a makeover
17:36 Jollypop     hey hmmm pm
17:36 hmmmm        no, please don't pm me.
17:37 hmmmm        whatever you have to ask, you should be able to ask right here
17:37 PilzAdam     hmmmm, that just leads people to not add new features
17:37 hmmmm        what the hell is with people and unsolicited PMs
17:37 Jollypop     ohh sorry lol
17:37 Jollypop     i didnt see it
17:37 Jollypop     gonn paste it here
17:37 hmmmm        if you're pasting over three lines of text, use pastebin
17:38 Jollypop     ok
17:38 hmmmm        the usual IRC rules still apply here...
17:38 Jollypop     http://pastebin.com/uGTu6tMT
17:38 Jollypop     Pilzadam can you have a look at that too?
17:39 hmmmm        ... you could've just condensed that into one sentence
17:39 Jollypop     omg
17:39 hmmmm        no, i don't know where you can find that, sorry
17:39 PilzAdam     Jollypop, content_cao.cpp_706
17:39 PilzAdam     *:
17:39 hmmmm        he wants to make it bigger probably
17:39 hmmmm        or vary with distance (like it's supposed to)
17:40 Jollypop     yes that and i actually saw that some guy on redcrab had a client that showed the coords of the person
17:40 Jollypop     beside there name
17:40 Jollypop     do you know how to do that guys?
17:40 hmmmm        so you want us to tell you how to make a hack for the client
17:41 Jollypop     well its not for any bad reason
17:41 hmmmm        so is this a feature request or something?
17:42 hmmmm        feature requests should go in the github bug tracker, with the label "enhancement", you can provide code to be more helpful
17:42 Jollypop     no...i just want to know if you guys knew how to do it....if not its ok
17:42 PilzAdam     I know how to
17:42 hmmmm        of course we know, but you don't know, you don't even know how to code
17:42 PilzAdam     but I dont know if I should tell you
17:43 hmmmm        if you knew how to code it'd be immediately obvious
17:43 Jollypop     hmmmm i know alittle bit
17:43 Jollypop     and PilzAdam please do so
17:43 PilzAdam     that definelty goes into my hacked client :D
17:43 hmmmm        this is not #minetest-playground, this is #minetest-dev, actual development discussion
17:44 PilzAdam     Jollypop, Ill just ignore that PM
17:44 Jollypop     ohh ok
17:44 hmmmm        this is banworthy behavior
17:44 Jollypop     can you help me then?
17:45 Exio         PilzAdam: do you have a hacked client? so l33t!
17:48 Jollypop     PilzAdam -_-
17:51 emptty       I get a "Unsupported texture format" from irrlicht.
17:51 emptty       I cant see what I'm doing wrong with the texture files
17:51 emptty       can I activate some more debug to see which texture file is faulty?
17:52 emptty       the line after is "Loaded texture: /usr/share/games/minetest/textures/base/pack/sunrisebg.png"
17:52 emptty       but I guess that there is more than one texture loaded, actually
17:53 PilzAdam     I get this "Unsupported texture format" since forever
17:53 PilzAdam     and everything works fine
17:54 PilzAdam     debug_log_level = 4 in minetest.conf
17:54 PilzAdam     then everything gets written to debug.txt
17:56 emptty       Well, it's all red for me, so I guess I have a real problem with my textures or something
17:56 Exio         nah, shaders
17:58 emptty       something like "19:57:06: INFO[main]: SourceShaderCache::getOrLoad(): No path found for "test_shader_1/base.txt"" ?
17:58 emptty       damn, why that?
17:58 * emptty     checks the packaging scripts
18:02 emptty       ok, found it
18:15 JellyRoll    PilzAdam
18:16 JellyRoll    assist me plz
18:17 Exio         ?
18:18 Exio         JellyRoll: i think you should join to #minetest
18:19 PilzAdam     JellyRoll, what?
18:20 Exio         random thingy, wasn't this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/493 fixed with Taoki's commit?
18:21 PilzAdam     yes
18:21 PilzAdam     Ill close it
18:22 hmmmm        ahh man it makes so much organizational sense for Hud to be a class
18:22 hmmmm        i'm glad i'm doing this
18:23 JellyRoll    PilzAdam with the name tweak
18:24 JellyRoll    i cant seem to get it working...im such a noob
18:24 PilzAdam     no
18:24 JellyRoll    why?
18:24 PilzAdam     because its a hack, now please stop talking about it here, its offtopic
18:56 Taoki        Exio: I fixed the fast in wated and on ladders issue
19:16 emptty       Is my packaging still faulty, or is it expected that the block name is not translated when I move the cursor over them in the inventory?
19:16 Exio         that is still "not finished and WIP"
19:17 Exio         there was a branch for that, and some work around it
19:17 emptty       Exio: I'm interested in helping this feature, if you remember the branch
19:17 emptty       I'm quite experienced in internationalizing weird code
19:18 BlockMen     celeron55, would you be ok with a little change at layout? from current https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/zeejwm5q7e7f0dw/current.png to this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cezlnn2fmzlramv/small_change.png ?
19:19 RealBadAngel emptty, are you tryin to call minetest code weird? ;)
19:19 emptty       nope, but getting lua using the same translation catalog than the C++ code will end up being ... unusal
19:20 emptty       'coz I guess that this is what's to be done?
19:21 emptty       RealBadAngel: sorry for declining your troll ;)
19:22 RealBadAngel hehe
19:23 Exio         i can't recall it
19:23 Exio         lemme check in logs
19:26 Exio         damn, i can't find it :/
19:26 emptty       there is no emergency
19:26 emptty       can you remember of how it was attempted?
19:28 Exio         it was changing the "node name" to a table with the translations, and some work for a "library" doing that automagicaly with a nice-format like kaeza's i18n library
19:28 emptty       the easiest, in my mind, is to get a script generating a fake .cpp file with all the strings of the lua source, in something like >>>char *str = gettext("the lua string")<<< and then feed it to the gettext extractor.
19:28 emptty       in the C++, then, you use the gettext function on the string that you get from lua, and gettext will find it in the catalog
19:29 emptty       the fake cpp don't even have to be valid in CPP, it won't get compiled. It's just to feed the strings to the gettext mechanism
19:30 Exio         https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-intllib
19:30 emptty       what's your favorite scripting language for compilation assistants, people? perl, python or something else?
19:31 Exio         assistants of what? i'd use perl for most of that stuff (as this is a personal preference and i'm not part of the core devs and i'm a random coder, so... :P)
19:35 emptty       Mmm, yeah, the mods are distributed separatly. off course.
19:39 Exio         http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-03-16#i_2933287 .. but the link is "broken"
19:43 emptty       I think that using http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2010-04/msg00005.html is a much better idea, as it allows to use gettext based tools to translate the mods too. Just like the main game
19:45 Exio         that would work pretty well
19:47 emptty       the solution proposed by kaeza will certainly reveal very very difficult to maintain on the long run
19:48 emptty       translations will desynchronize with the english text, and detecting (and fixing) this will be a nightmare
19:48 emptty       to solve these issues, you'll have to reinvent the gettext tools
19:49 emptty       so it sounds better to just use them right away :)
19:57 emptty       Hop, I opened an issue onto kaeza. Thanks Exio for the pointer
20:04 emptty       I think that the gettext approach could be implemented on the client only, but I'm not expert enough in minetest to be sure
20:11 BlockMen     am i doing something wrong or is it a bug, that the game is in 4:3 when fullscreen = true?
20:52 troller      math mapgen witout external files -  https://github.com/proller/minetest/compare/master...math2
20:53 troller      but with only two fractals
21:08 hmmmm        while i'm working on the HUD stuff, i can't help but wonder about a few things with the ParticleSpawner
21:09 hmmmm        for example, in the ClientEvent handler of game.cpp, player is declared in each of the particle related handlers when there's already a variable named player in scope
21:09 hmmmm        and then an object is created with new, but it's never assigned to anything
21:12 hmmmm        i can barely work in this mess.
21:13 hmmmm        i really feel it when i need to work in game.cpp
22:10 hmmmm        hmmm
22:10 hmmmm        right now there's one drawHotbar() instance in the_game()
22:10 hmmmm        not right now, but eventually, i'd like to remove that along with all of the health related bullshit
22:11 hmmmm        it only makes sense to deal with health in lua like the rest of the counters/bars
22:11 hmmmm        this is 0.4.x!  we modular now
22:11 PilzAdam     the client handles the damage currently
22:11 PilzAdam     (at least lava, falling)
22:12 PilzAdam     moving it to server is not possible due to lag
22:12 hmmmm        perhaps
22:12 hmmmm        i'd have to say that it's wrong though
22:12 hmmmm        lag didn't stop anybody from moving inventory things to the server
22:12 PilzAdam     chests are a PITA
22:12 hmmmm        look at how horrible it is to simply move an item on a laggy server.  it's very frustrating, makes you want to kill something in fact
22:13 PilzAdam     more than one second lag on a local server
22:15 hmmmm        if we can find a way to do health without client-side prediction that's fast too, we'll do it
22:15 PilzAdam     maybe client side Lua code
22:15 hmmmm        eh
22:15 PilzAdam     mods can send the client code to predict stuff
22:15 hmmmm        in all honesty
22:15 PilzAdam     like opening doors etc.
22:15 hmmmm        client-side lua is one thing i don't think we're going to ever do
22:16 hmmmm        at least not anytime soon
22:16 hmmmm        kinda wonder where we're going to be in a year from now.
22:17 PilzAdam     client side prediction is one of the things MC is way better than we are
22:17 Exio         +1 to that
22:17 hmmmm        but it's not prediction
22:17 Exio         client-side prediction, even if it is not with lua and is just weird-stuff sent to the player or so
22:17 hmmmm        you can't compare us to minecraft in that respect, because they have _no_ scripting capabilities whatsoever
22:17 Exio         yep
22:18 PilzAdam     Im talking about adding a new function rightclick_prediction() to doors, so the client can open the door while the packages are send to the server
22:18 hmmmm        they don't have the problems that we do, but then again, they're a lot less powerful than we are
22:18 hmmmm        you're talking about hardcoding shit for specific types of nodes
22:18 PilzAdam     yes, I know we cant compare it code wise, but players do because both are games
22:20 hmmmm        oh fu..
22:21 hmmmm        nevermind
22:21 hmmmm        i almost thought i screwed up something on git
22:21 PilzAdam     if you want to destroy your work then git will gladly help you
22:23 hmmmm        https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/luahud
22:24 hmmmm        yikes that's a lot now that i'm looking at it
22:24 hmmmm        and i'm not done
22:26 hmmmm        and i forgot hud.cpp