Time  Nick          Message
00:40 hmmmm         http://ompldr.org/vaHl6cw    biomes!  only had to rip everything out and do it over again
00:40 Exio          how do they work in that?
00:41 Exio          *as, how the hell you do that :)*
00:41 hmmmm         you specify 5 parameters; minimum and maximum height, then typical heat, humidity, and terrain variance
00:42 hmmmm         the possible biomes are simply filtered for min/max height, but the rest work a bit differently
00:42 Exio          ah
00:43 hmmmm         the distance between the heat, humidity, and terrain variances from the ones you specified for the biome is calculated
00:43 hmmmm         the biome with the least distance "wins", and that's what the column becomes
00:43 Exio          got it,
00:44 Exio          btw, how does the "fix" looks now?
00:44 hmmmm         mmm, looks good
00:44 hmmmm         except
00:45 hmmmm         MYRANGE already exists, it's called rangelim
00:45 Exio          ah
00:45 Exio          oh, yeah, didn't recall and just didn't check about that
00:51 Exio          here hmmmm
01:08 Exio          hmmmm: anything more what should be changed or so?
01:08 hmmmm         nope
01:12 Exio          k, closed my 15 terms for testing stuff ;P
02:16 jordan4ibanez idea: put in jachoo's code for your camera dipping down when the player holds shift, but make it so it doesn't dip down too much
02:16 jordan4ibanez that is all
02:22 jordan4ibanez specifically this: https://github.com/jachoo/minetest-jachoo/commit/e982d5938570602f1959275c867cd894b2744fb8
02:22 jordan4ibanez only the eye level part though
02:53 Exio          hmmmm: of http://dev.minetest.net/Mapgen_V7, what have you already "solved"? :P
02:53 Exio          </annoying> :P
02:54 hmmmm         all of those as i am not using that first approach at all
02:54 Exio          :D
02:55 hmmmm         i don't really have any problem at the moment, but precalculating biomes is going to take up too much (imo) space at the current granularity
02:55 hmmmm         i think i'm going to reduce it from 64 notches to 32 for all dimensions
02:55 jordan4ibanez What was the first approach?
02:55 hmmmm         crap
02:55 hmmmm         i described the first approach in that wiki
02:55 hmmmm         page
02:56 jordan4ibanez What exactly is perlin noise?
02:57 hmmmm         g00gle
02:57 jordan4ibanez google are too hard for me.
02:57 Exio          https://www.google.com/search?q=perlin+noise
02:57 Exio          here, for you :)
02:57 hmmmm         how can you be using minetest for so long and you don't even know what perlin noise is
02:57 jordan4ibanez I was kidding, fractal noise looks neat though
02:58 hmmmm         a lot of people probably don't realize it, but what kind of noise you're using doesn't have much of an impact overall as does using the noise wisely and composing it in different ways with other sources of noise
02:59 hmmmm         i consider myself to be an avant-garde noise artist
02:59 Exio          hehe
02:59 Exio          an artist what uses code instead of brushes?
02:59 jordan4ibanez :D Could you try to make ocean biomes bigger? I love driving boats across them. L<
03:00 hmmmm         raise the water level then
03:00 jordan4ibanez How so?
03:00 hmmmm         exio, i'm like gerogerigegege
03:01 hmmmm         jordan, water_level=5 in minetest.conf
03:01 hmmmm         or something.
03:01 Exio          wtf is that
03:01 * Exio        googles
03:01 hmmmm         noise artists
03:01 Exio          ah
03:01 jordan4ibanez :O
03:02 Exio          ehm, i should be sleeping
03:02 Exio          0AM and i need to wake up in 6 hours
03:02 Exio          bye!
03:02 hmmmm         then wtf.
03:02 Exio          wut? :P
03:05 hmmmm         man, it's a real shame people don't know about the mapgen configuration because it doesn't have a menu
03:05 hmmmm         i really want to do that sometime
03:05 jordan4ibanez Yes, exactly. It would be very helpful if a lot of things were in the menu actually
13:21 hmmmm         hmmmm!
13:21 hmmmm         0.4.6 comes out when i get home
13:22 hmmmm         later fools
15:04 Deivan        :D
18:06 PilzAdam      thexyz, can you push the translations?
18:07 VanessaE      ...and exio's speed/accel fix.
18:08 PilzAdam      isnt it a bit too late for this fix?
18:09 VanessaE      [04-02 14:42] <hmmmm> adam, i think we might want to add the trampoline bugfix before 0.4.6, since it's rather critical, doesn't change much, and most people running clients only (windows users) would be using 0.4.6, not the latest git build
18:10 PilzAdam      that was one day before release
18:10 * VanessaE    shrugs
18:10 VanessaE      just echoing what he said about it.
18:11 PilzAdam      I know what he said
18:11 VanessaE      this is why I don't advise such short-term freezes.
18:11 VanessaE      there just isn't enough time to get shit fixed up for release.
18:32 thexyz        PilzAdam: done
19:05 VanessaE      error with falling gravel
19:05 VanessaE      just made a large, flat region of it, not more than 50 nodes on a side, and dug one to force it to fall.
19:05 VanessaE      the server spat out hundreds of:
19:05 VanessaE      15:05:11: ERROR[ServerThread]: ServerEnv: Trying to store id=279 statically but
19:05 VanessaE      block (-24,2,-35) already contains 49 (over 49) objects. Forcing delete.
19:06 VanessaE      followed by:
19:06 VanessaE      15:05:14: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: __builtin:falling_node
19:06 VanessaE      and crashed.
19:06 VanessaE      (but not before some of it fell)
19:07 PilzAdam      VanessaE, try this: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest/commit/ea9fd59f2bce8d8a31f7bd4a952564faa0629441
19:08 VanessaE      sure, as soon as the server is done processing what made it through :-)
19:13 VanessaE      PilzAdam: adding that now.
19:15 VanessaE      (server's busy with /clearobjects.  it'll be a few mins yet)
19:29 VanessaE      oh that's MUCH better.
19:29 VanessaE      that patch.
19:29 VanessaE      2262 objects falling causes a heck of a fps drop, but it doesn't crash and it looks 10000000% better than before.
19:30 Exio          only 10000000%
19:30 Exio          ? :(
19:30 VanessaE      I didn't want to exaggerate :D
19:33 VanessaE      some falling entities still need fixed though - unrelated.  try doing what I did.  Make a 1-node-thick platform of gravel about 30-40 on a side.  Make it fall.  Some of it will fall and become nodes, some will fall and become entities buried in gravel nodes, but some will become floating, unkillable node-sized entities.
19:33 VanessaE      this is a known, old bug that I've only ever seen with sand.
19:35 VanessaE      why are they set as immortal=1 ?
19:35 VanessaE      wtf is this nonsense?
19:36 VanessaE      and why 10hp?
19:36 VanessaE      wouldn't it make more sense to set them to the lowest possible "strength" and make them killable instantly?
19:36 VanessaE      at least to make it possible to clean up the mess without using a bazooka (= /clearobjects) ?
19:39 PilzAdam      VanessaE, that is actually 100% the MC way of updating falling nodes
19:39 VanessaE      PilzAdam: the way they fall?  it looks good.
20:32 hmmmm         omfg the weblate spam
20:32 hmmmm         they seriously need to fix that
20:38 hmmmm         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/37acadc2af29869689e27241e4781ebfc69470aa
20:38 PilzAdam      yay!
20:39 Exio          what about the trampoline/collisionMoveSimple fix?
20:39 hmmmm         it's way too late for that
20:39 Exio          aww
20:39 hmmmm         it's not that bad
20:39 PilzAdam      Ill set the tags and push to the stable_0.4 branch
20:41 hmmmm         hold on a minute
20:41 hmmmm         why is it stable
20:42 PilzAdam      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f85c1165c2ea9abbfe426b014dacb7b04238fbea
20:42 PilzAdam      every release is pushed to the stable branch
20:43 hmmmm         okay
20:44 PilzAdam      do we create tags on common, survival and build too?
20:45 thexyz        yes
20:45 PilzAdam      and we include survival and build in the official build?
20:45 thexyz        is it playable?
20:46 PilzAdam      sure, its not much different from minetest_game though
20:46 thexyz        hm..
20:46 PilzAdam      (only difference is the bones mod)
20:46 thexyz        i missed something, what was the point?
20:46 thexyz        will we continue to develop minetest_game?
20:46 PilzAdam      minetest_game is more for backwards compatibility of old maps now
20:49 thexyz        well, i'll include all of them then
20:49 thexyz        feature unfreeze now?
20:49 PilzAdam      wait until i finished tagging
20:51 PilzAdam      done
20:57 PilzAdam      Kray, new minetest release
20:58 PilzAdam      Ill start writing a forum topic
20:58 Kray          did something change so that it needs modifications to build/installation?
20:58 PilzAdam      yes
20:59 Kray          how?
20:59 PilzAdam      minetest/commons, minetest/build and minetest/survival need to be placed in the games/ folder
21:01 thexyz        built it, http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-0.4.6.zip
21:05 proller       freebsd maintainer is slowpoke 8(
21:07 thexyz        wtf
21:07 thexyz        is c55 dead?
21:08 thexyz        PilzAdam: how long is minetest.net down for?
21:08 PilzAdam      since c55 left IRC?
21:09 thexyz        ~5 days ago?
21:09 PilzAdam      ~10 hours
21:09 thexyz        oh
21:10 thexyz        i just asked nickserv and it told me he's last seen 4 days ago
21:10 PilzAdam      http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=81121#p81121
21:11 thexyz        well the good thing is that we can take over minetest.net
21:11 VanessaE      new build posted on the luajit thread, btw.
21:11 thexyz        if that will be needed
21:11 VanessaE      (for linux/amd64)
21:12 PilzAdam      someone knows how to update launchpad?
21:14 proller       freebsd port will be updated  maybe on next week
21:15 PilzAdam      added to topic
21:18 proller       f.cked cats at wiki. mus be eaten by dogs
21:19 proller       please add to desc of indev mapgen:  (float islands at 500+, near edges: higher mountains, larger biomes )
21:20 proller       ups.:  (float islands at 500+, rare HUGE caves, near edges: higher mountains, larger biomes )
21:21 PilzAdam      Id like to merge this now: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/370
21:21 jordan4ibanez bug: since item entities are physical they have collision detection
21:22 PilzAdam      dropped items set physical to false if they lay on the ground
21:24 PilzAdam      is anyone against https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/370 ?
21:25 thexyz        proller: register already
21:29 PilzAdam      hmmmm, merge it now? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/591
21:43 jordan4ibanez no pilzadam, you don't understand, when you walk into the falling item, you walk on it
21:43 jordan4ibanez leads to some strange things
21:49 PilzAdam      hmmmm, changed it so it doesnt copy the list in getConnectedPlayerNames() https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/570
22:01 us_0gb        hi
22:23 proller       thexyz, AGAIN CATS!!!!!
22:23 proller       but ok.
23:08 jordan4ibanez has the force load commit been pushed yet?
23:54 hmmmm         pilz, i'll do those things later
23:54 hmmmm         not feeling very good right now
23:55 * VanessaE    offers hmmmm some fresh, hot philly cheesesteak pizza.
23:56 VanessaE      this'll make any malady go away for a while :)
23:56 hmmmm         also i hope you don't convert the contents of 'completions' right back into a non-unicode string when you go to put them in names
23:56 hmmmm         or are you just using a wide string to do the comparison