Time  Nick        Message
00:09 hmmmm       vanessa, it wasn't totally regenerated?  there was still some of your stuff there?  too bad you didn't have a screenshot of exactly what it was
00:09 VanessaE    correct
00:09 VanessaE    sorry I didn't think to snap a screen of it
00:09 VanessaE    but I can describe it further if you want
00:10 hmmmm       wait, it was just one 16x16x16 block that was totally regenerated, and the rest of the mess was caused in the surrounding area
00:10 hmmmm       right?
00:10 VanessaE    mmmm...
00:10 hmmmm       yea?
00:10 VanessaE    you know that might account for it
00:10 VanessaE    but,
00:11 VanessaE    there's a house that stands some 30m tall....  which had dirt poured on top of it.  But there's no way in hell for that dirt to have been there.
00:11 hmmmm       well this is a multi-block chunk based generator, so the 80x80x80 sized area was regenerated
00:11 VanessaE    (my brick mansion near the spawn)
00:11 hmmmm       starting from 0,0,0 to 80,80,80
00:11 VanessaE    if it happens again I'll take a screenshot
00:12 hmmmm       that one block that failed to load was initially emerged from disk as containing all CONTENT_IGNORE
00:12 hmmmm       so all of the nodes that it attempted to place there were
00:14 VanessaE    yeah but placing nodes on top of a building, way higher than they could ever have been?
00:14 hmmmm       but the rest of it was not content_ignore, so it didn't place any new terrain or anything.  what it did instead was generate caves right in the middle of your already-generated areas, perhaps some trees, and then on_generate was called again, placing the ores
00:14 VanessaE    (as in, the land where the building stands was never that high)
00:16 VanessaE    that's about what it looked like to me as well, so I assumed it was a standard mapgen run in response to the alleged missing block
00:16 VanessaE    the question of course is why did it bug out in the first place..
03:28 ShadowNinja hmmmm: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/525
03:47 hmmmm       great
03:47 hmmmm       i'll put that in next
03:47 VanessaE    ew.
03:47 hmmmm       yuck
03:47 VanessaE    using \( to escape [ just feels...dirty.
03:48 hmmmm       it's a stopgap for until i rip out the current tokenization and put something better in
03:48 VanessaE    fair enough
03:48 hmmmm       well
03:49 hmmmm       sorta wonder if i should even bother doing it later.  i might do it all at once
03:49 hmmmm       i mean what i actually need to do is skip to the next [ until the previous char isn't \\
03:50 hmmmm       and same with ]
03:51 ShadowNinja VanessaE: agreed, just an alternative for ow
03:51 ShadowNinja *now
04:38 hmmmm       woah getting sapier's stuff done is proving to be a real challenge
04:38 hmmmm       when i cherry picked from his branch it screwed up l_span_tree()
04:39 hmmmm       now i'm scared that it might've messed up other code randomly that i won't be able to catch as easily
04:39 hmmmm       gulp
05:12 VanessaE    btw, that issue with newly placed blocks occasionally replacing that which is already there only happens when the server is lagging.
05:12 VanessaE    the worse the lag, the more likely the place event will replace a node rather than add next to/on top of it
05:16 hmmmm       interesting.. hey vanessa, are you not supposed to be able to mine cacti with a stone pick?
05:17 VanessaE    not as far as I know
05:17 VanessaE    been a while since I last tried
05:17 hmmmm       wait you should be able to or shouldn't
05:17 VanessaE    but I *think* you're supposed to only cut them down with an axe or sword? (of course a mese pick cuts anything)
05:18 hmmmm       can't take anything for granted after i saw how badly the merge went
05:20 VanessaE    understood
05:23 VanessaE    ugh, mapgen lag is killing me today (yes, new terrain, so says the verbose log)
05:38 hmmmm       wonder why
05:38 VanessaE    heh
05:46 hmmmm       whaddya guys think  https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commits/master
05:47 VanessaE    holy smokes
05:47 VanessaE    tl;dr
05:48 hmmmm       this was messier than it should've been.
05:48 VanessaE    care to squash them?
05:48 VanessaE    might be easier to read anyway
05:48 hmmmm       it's only three
05:48 hmmmm       besides if i squash them, wouldn't sapier's authorship be dropped?
05:48 VanessaE    three really LONG commits :-)
05:48 VanessaE    actually I dunno if it would or not
05:49 VanessaE    git commit --author="Original Author <email@server>"
05:49 VanessaE    after the squash
05:49 VanessaE    if I read it right
05:49 VanessaE    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3305218/how-to-merge-branch-and-retain-the-authorship
05:50 hmmmm       ah author switch
05:51 VanessaE    fear my google-fu ;-)
05:52 hmmmm       yeah a lot less happened today than i wanted
05:52 VanessaE    eh, well, you only have two hands and just so much time to get shit done.
06:01 hmmmm       mm https://github.com/kwolekr/minetest/commit/bdbdeab0053d9ebbaffea17effeba777b710d390
06:01 hmmmm       crazy
06:03 VanessaE    is it just me, or are you adding a metric assload of new code here?
06:04 hmmmm       eh no
06:04 hmmmm       that's just you
06:04 VanessaE    :P
06:04 hmmmm       there's a little bit of additional code added like license comments and include directives, but it's not bad when you consider the improvement of it not being all in one file
06:05 VanessaE    right
06:05 VanessaE    I'm just looking at this one commit, that's what was throwing me off
06:05 hmmmm       did you miss the "823 additions, 6894 deletions not shown " part?
06:05 VanessaE    in fact, I did
06:05 VanessaE    ok, 'nuff said
06:06 hmmmm       PHEW
06:06 VanessaE    blew right past that file while skimming through
06:07 hmmmm       why do large files like this crop up in the first place?  why don't the people writing them stop and say "hmm, it takes a ridiculous amount of time to scroll through this file, perhaps it's a good idea to split some related things into a separate file"
06:08 VanessaE    could be many things; surely some laziness in there, but I think a lot just has to do with the expected expenditure of time vs. perceived benefit
06:08 hmmmm       takes no time at all if you do it while you're coding it up and not all at once
06:08 VanessaE    you know, an extension of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
06:08 VanessaE    true truew
06:09 hmmmm       the facedir rotation stuff
06:09 hmmmm       let's do that now
06:09 VanessaE    on the other hand, I've had people bitch at me for following that ideal too closely - for splitting files up when they think they shouldn't be yet
06:09 VanessaE    wait, I think RBA is still fighting that out
06:09 hmmmm       above 1500 LoC is when it gets uncomfortable
06:10 VanessaE    ugh
06:10 VanessaE    homedecor/crafts.lua ...  1758 lines.
06:10 VanessaE    what was that I was saying about reasons not to split up a file? :)
06:12 hmmmm       i dunno, but when it's 5000, or 6000, or 7500 like scriptapi, it closely resembles the thought patterns of the same kinds of people who don't cut their fingernails
06:12 VanessaE    in that particular instance, I never split the file up because all of the code therein seemed too closely related..  it feels somehow "wrong" to do so, but I can't really say why
06:12 hmmmm       it's just as gross too
14:38 PilzAdam    How is the state of realeasing?
14:55 thexyz      PilzAdam: see git log
14:55 PilzAdam    shouldnt we create a tag for 0.4.5 in minetest and minetest_game?
14:55 thexyz      i think the only thing we left is to update links at minetest.net download page
14:55 thexyz      celeron55: ^
14:56 thexyz      PilzAdam: we probably should
14:56 * PilzAdam  will do
14:57 proller     tag needed for freebsd port
15:03 PilzAdam    done
15:05 PilzAdam    thexyz, also push to the stable_0.4 branch?
15:07 thexyz      guess so
15:10 PilzAdam    31 commits for minetest_game and 219 commits for the engine
15:46 celeron55   oh
15:47 celeron55   so shall we use http://minetest.ru/builds/minetest-0.4.5.zip as the official windows build?
15:49 PilzAdam    has it gettext and ttf support?
15:50 celeron55   it's thexyz's build, http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4240
15:50 thexyz      it has everything
15:50 thexyz      i also removed -minetest.ru suffix for this one
15:51 PilzAdam    then its ok, I think
15:54 celeron55   site updated; i guess i'll post a release notice on c55.me/blog as that is what some people follow
15:54 PilzAdam    should I write a forum topic?
15:55 celeron55   i'll also copy the 0.4.4 release notice from the website to there, as the news section wasn't going to become persistent
15:55 thexyz      minetest.net still has some "Minetest-c55"
15:56 celeron55   (because it lacks everything that you would expect from a proper news feed)
16:02 PilzAdam    http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=73978#p73978
16:08 thexyz      > The main changes are a new mese system (mese is now a crystal), a new public server list and many new translations.
16:08 thexyz      ohh, so *those* are the main changes
16:08 celeron55   main changes? lol
16:08 PilzAdam    fixed
16:09 thexyz      lol
16:12 celeron55   http://c55.me/blog/?p=1436
16:12 thexyz      oh, yes, someone should write a proper changelog
16:13 thexyz      because at the moment we only have two improper ones
16:13 celeron55   if somebody finishes it, i'll copy it over to the blog
16:13 celeron55   but as of now it seems to be messy
16:16 celeron55   thexyz: let's apply the 0.3 fix now?
16:16 celeron55   do you have it around somewhere
16:16 thexyz      um.. what fix?
16:16 celeron55   the password exploit
16:17 thexyz      oh
16:17 celeron55   well, i'll find the 0.4 commit somewhere, it should be trivially backportable
16:18 celeron55   i can include the notice about it on that blog post and everyone else can include it too in their posts
16:23 celeron55   ...where the hell is it
16:28 celeron55   it's like the whole thing didn't even exist in history
16:29 celeron55   i can't find the fix in any version of 0.4...
16:29 celeron55   ha, now i found it
16:38 celeron55   hmm, this also fails to build with irrlicht 1.8
16:38 celeron55   well, i'll not care for that now; i have irrlicht 1.7.1 too for cases like this 8)
16:47 celeron55   things that are fucking perfect: 1) a program built with irrlicht 1.7.1 headers will actually work just fine with a 1.8 shared library, 2) minetest 0.3.2 loads the relevant things from 0.4.5 config just fine
16:47 celeron55   8)))
16:52 hmmmm       thexyz, the changelog i made wasn't ever finished and it was supposed to be finished by somebody who has knowledge of the changes in lua stuff, and also someone willing to put the time into typing up all the bugfixes
16:56 hmmmm       argh
16:56 hmmmm       speaking of changelog, people are taking the inclusion of BiomeDefManager as "there are biomes now being generated"
16:57 hmmmm       i'm going to have to take the time to expand on specifically what each feature does
16:57 hmmmm       perhaps the dev wiki changelog is too technical
16:58 Exio        people? jojoa? :P
16:58 PilzAdam    Calinou's changelog lists more the user-visible things
16:59 Exio        what about a "technical stuff" section with a kwolekr-changelog saying what was added, removed, fixed, changed, in the core and other for the "user-visible" things?
17:00 celeron55   0.3.3 with the fix pushed; PilzAdam: see the note in my blog post and edit that addition to your forum post too
17:02 celeron55   that should get enough coverage to it... though i'll still need to see if i can poke some activity to the debian/ubuntu package maintainers
17:02 hmmmm       yeah but his changelog is not organized at all and is completely wrong on many of the contributions
17:03 PilzAdam    celeron55, will there be an official win build for 0.3.3?
17:04 hmmmm       yikes, people still use 0.3.x?
17:04 hmmmm       i don't believe that.  it's just celeron alone
17:05 PilzAdam    redcrab and gameboom have 0.3 servers IIRC
17:05 Jordach     redcrab has a 0.3 server
17:06 PilzAdam    is there a forum topic for it?
17:07 celeron55   PilzAdam: there isn't an official build for even 0.3.2 8)
17:07 celeron55   (which had some missing things added to the creative inventory)
17:07 PilzAdam    same as 0.4.0
17:08 celeron55   what the fuck man: https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest/builds/5259190
17:08 PilzAdam    0.4.1 was released 20 hours after 0.4.0
17:09 celeron55   why does that try to build a version that doesn't have those files that imply that it should even try
17:10 celeron55   also: launchpad's stable recipes are borked: https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+recipe/minetest-c55-stable
17:10 celeron55   it just says "Oops! Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience." 8)
17:10 celeron55   going to try that sometime later i guess
17:11 PilzAdam    would it be possible to call it "Minetest" instead of "Minetest-c55" in launchpad too?
17:12 celeron55   maybe, but it requires changes in multiple places and possibly deleting/recreating things
17:13 celeron55   it consists of bzr mirrors of stuff and a project and whatever things like that
17:13 celeron55   all having c55 in them
17:14 celeron55   so you can't just press a button and expect it to be done 8)
17:14 PilzAdam    maybe ask the launchpad people for help and let them do the work? ;-)
17:15 celeron55   they aren't going to do any work, but i could ask "the minetest launchpad guy" if he's interested
17:15 PilzAdam    and who is that?
17:16 celeron55   juhani numminen (mentioned on the launchpad project page or somewhere); i'll throw him an e-mail
17:17 celeron55   (it's always fun to write about minetest development in finnish, as this is the only case ever where i can do that)
17:23 celeron55   done and out ->
17:34 sfan5       proller: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/526/files#L0R34
17:34 sfan5       you can't just copy it from ogre cmake files
17:35 sfan5       ... ${OGRE_SOURCE_DIR}/Dependencies/lib/release/libGLESv2.lib ...
17:35 proller     randomize lines& 8)
17:35 proller     ok
17:35 proller     i test it in linux, and it works
17:35 sfan5       also     IF (NOT OGREKIT_BUILD_ANDROID)
17:36 proller     maybe remove all win32 shit ?
17:36 sfan5       and what the fuck is "GLESL"  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/526/files#L0R107
17:37 proller     openGL ES Lib
17:38 proller     i will remove all non linux
17:38 sfan5       that sounds stupid to me
17:39 proller     GLESL or removing ?
17:42 Exio        ehm
17:43 Exio        http://dpaste.com/1013207/ in debian6
17:45 Exio        what i did; git clone; mkdir -p minetest/build; cd minetest/build; cmake ..; make
17:50 VanessaE    12:49:31: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: Player with an empty name tried to connect from 194.166.73.103
17:50 VanessaE    12:50:17: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: Player with an invalid name tried to connect from 194.166.73.103
17:50 VanessaE    oh nice.
18:05 Exio        other user in debian 6 reproduced that, it doesn't irrlicht 1.7 or what?
18:05 Exio        (the last commit)
18:05 thexyz      why do you want to build inside minetest/build?
18:08 celeron55   to keep the source directory clean; i think such should be supported while at least i am generally way too lazy to do such
18:11 Exio        as c55 said
18:59 hmmmm       speaking of libs, we should at some point either move away totally from jthread, rename it, or change the version so that the compiler will never attempt to use a system installed version of jthread
19:00 hmmmm       otherwise the build would break
19:07 sfan5       what about something like "#ifndef _JTHREAD_SPECIALLY_FOR_MINETEST \n #error other jthread versions are not supported \n #endif"
19:11 hmmmm       well i don't want to have them uninstall the system jthread to build it
19:14 sfan5       well... IIRC ''#import "jthread.h"'' searchs in the current direcotry first
19:15 sfan5       *#include
19:15 hmmmm       your python is showing
19:15 PilzAdam    java?
19:16 hmmmm       ah yeah java too
19:32 proller     sfan5, now better? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/526/files
19:33 sfan5       proller: ${SOURCE_DIR}/Dependencies/lib/release/libGLESv2.lib is wrong and BUILD_ANDROID also
19:33 sfan5       but its better
19:33 proller     remove?
19:33 proller     maybe it helps in future
19:38 hmmmm       the hell is this  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/strfnd.h#L140
19:38 hmmmm       ugh
19:39 hmmmm       i'll deal with that whole file sometime late
19:39 hmmmm       later
20:15 thexyz      suggestion: switch to ustring (http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37296)
20:19 Exio        hm, my keyboard got "glitched" (only 's' working and 'a' working as 's'), is this known or something?
20:19 Exio        removed focus, retried and working
20:30 VanessaE    hmmmm: ew.
20:30 VanessaE    someone never heard of caching. :-/