Time  Nick       Message
00:00 celeron55  basically for each of your dye you should define a color group from all of the three bunches
00:01 celeron55  also the dye group for future things (it can't be used currently at the same time, but currently it's not really a problem, as nothing else than dyes have colors)
00:01 celeron55  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/dye/init.lua
00:02 VanessaE   already there.
00:02 VanessaE   just need to get my head around it (lack of sleep)
00:09 celeron55  i'll make the wool mod use color groups appropriately so you have something to test it with
00:09 VanessaE   ok
00:14 celeron55  hmm, darkgrey vs. dark_green is kind of confusing
00:14 celeron55  i guess it would be confusing with dark_grey too because it's differently organized
00:15 VanessaE   I just did that to shorten the name slightly.  Probably wasn't my best decision
00:15 celeron55  i could name the groups still whatever i like
00:16 celeron55  but unless you don't rename your stuff, i won't rename these
00:16 celeron55  because currently these would be in sync
00:16 celeron55  no extra translations in loops
00:17 VanessaE   probably not a good idea to rename mine at this point, already got several mods that depend on it.  People would, as you say, "be sad" :-)
00:28 celeron55  ehm
00:28 celeron55  for some reason this does not work at all
00:28 VanessaE   which part?
00:30 celeron55  the part of using a group in a crafting recipe
00:31 VanessaE   odd, I used it to craft ladders from multiple colors of sticks
00:31 celeron55  oh i know why
00:31 celeron55  it works only for shaped recipes
00:31 VanessaE   bugfix time ;-)
00:32 celeron55  it's not a bug
00:32 celeron55  it's a lack of a feature
00:32 celeron55  and not a trivial one
00:33 celeron55  http://paste.dy.fi/0DC
00:33 celeron55  now, "just" make that support groups, right?
00:33 VanessaE   hah
00:33 VanessaE   I never said it'd be easy ;)
00:33 VanessaE   besides, I was only kidding
00:34 celeron55  kahrl has used lisp syntax for documenting some of these functions
00:34 celeron55  // (mapcar craftGetItemName itemstrings)
00:35 celeron55  :D
00:35 celeron55  awesome
00:35 VanessaE   hm, speaking of groups, I suppose I can't do something of the form:  groups = { A..B=1 } where A is a string and B is a variable.
00:37 celeron55  > B="foo"
00:37 celeron55  > a={["A"..B]=1}
00:37 celeron55  > print(a.Afoo)
00:37 celeron55  1
00:37 VanessaE   ahhhhhh
00:37 VanessaE   didn't know about the extra brackets.
00:38 celeron55  read the lua book.
00:38 celeron55  then you know everything
00:38 celeron55  it isn't long
00:39 VanessaE   I'll check into it. lua's easy enough but some stuff is tricky when you come from almost directly the 8-bit world
00:41 VanessaE   well it doesn't crash now
00:41 VanessaE   :-)
00:45 VanessaE   hm, is there a way to get a dump of all groups that have been defined?
00:47 VanessaE   mm..should be okay the way it is, the syntax looks right anyway
00:47 celeron55  nothing tracks defined groups
00:47 celeron55  because groups are not defined 8)
00:48 celeron55  they are only used
00:48 VanessaE   good point
00:55 VanessaE   pushed.
00:56 VanessaE   <celeron55>  no that's wrong.  what are you, some kind of idiot?
00:56 VanessaE   ;-)
01:06 celeron55  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commit/937ec64ee621d5943306fe3118e4fd487a62a144
01:06 celeron55  attempted to fix the group shapeless recipes but it didnt' work
01:06 celeron55  't*
01:06 celeron55  now will sleep
01:06 VanessaE   ok
01:06 celeron55  terribly late again
01:06 celeron55  i hate this
01:07 VanessaE   yeah it's gotta be what, 3am there?
01:07 celeron55  4
01:07 VanessaE   even worse.
01:07 VanessaE   well good night.
01:18 VanessaE   hm, no go.
01:19 VanessaE   wait..
01:19 VanessaE   bingo
01:20 VanessaE   unifieddyes via the groups= function works, at least red does anyway
01:22 VanessaE   note: unifieddyes requires crafting glass bottles to store the dyes, so crafting a colored wool block should return an empty bottle.
01:22 VanessaE   (at least if unifieddyes was used to color it)
01:29 VanessaE   fixed black.  All colors seem to work with wool.
02:47 cornernote hi, yesterday i was able to extract some of the images i needed - basically the inventorycube
02:48 cornernote i'd like to extract the node_box, but i can't see where that is converted to an Image object
02:49 cornernote also, sorry to ask in the dev room, i just thought everyone here will have more c++ skill than the main room
03:07 cornernote im starting to think it doesnt get converted to an image... node_box is some fancy thing that can only be rendered ingame ?
05:40 cornernote i think i got it =)
05:41 jin_xi     morning
06:38 cornernote hi jin_xi
06:38 cornernote here is the code i use to extract the 3d image:
06:38 cornernote http://pastebin.com/GrGef1dK
06:38 cornernote search for // BEGIN WIKI IMAGE EXTRACT
06:39 cornernote problem is it dies like this:
06:39 cornernote http://pastebin.com/eAjK0GcQ
06:40 cornernote the one it dies on depends on which mods i have... but it always dies in the same place if i run it again with same mods
06:41 cornernote the line it fails on is:
06:41 cornernote snprintf(filename, 1024, "wikiimage/%s.png", se); // this fails after about the 14th image
06:54 jin_xi     let's move this to #minetest-delta, ok?
07:13 cornernote ok, i'll do that
07:29 frozon_    hello
07:29 frozon_    got a stupid question, is there an easy way to display a text alert in the menu?
08:23 frozon_    could someone review my last 3 commit on my repo plz, https://github.com/frozon/minetest/commits/ , in key menu, you can't assign a key already assigned
09:20 sfan5      celeron55: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/176
09:23 frozon_    brb
09:24 celeron55  sfan5: nope.
09:24 celeron55  i don't do anything distro-specific
09:24 celeron55  period.
09:24 sfan5      hmm ok
10:15 frozon_    back
10:17 frozon_    celeron55: can you have a look to my 3 last commit https://github.com/frozon/minetest/commits/master in key configuration windows, you can't assign an already assigned key and it display a message
10:18 celeron55  don't spam
10:19 frozon_    sorry did not attend to spam
10:20 celeron55  if you look at the topic, there is a channel log in there, which everyone can look at and which means nobody has to say the same thing more than once
10:20 celeron55  which means nobody is allowed to say the same thing more than once
10:23 frozon_    did not know about this feature, sorry won't do it twice
10:24 celeron55  i have other things to do at the moment, maybe somebody will look at it or i will at some point
10:49 celeron55  VanessaE: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commit/32ee20ebe7d1a64aefa0bfd6ff3a29f6c4b94e89
10:50 celeron55  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/0c91a0d59db70f3f502004d4c37fecd4e10c9401
11:11 celeron55  i am wishing to release the current git as stable and for that i need people to test it in their own ways and report back any problems
11:48 celeron55  frozon_: you could try to find a solution to the problem of not being able to assign eg. space without a trick (the trick is to click the button and hold a mouse button at the background while pressing space)
11:48 celeron55  it's because irrlicht's gui system handles focus very oddly
11:48 celeron55  or, more with the way it propagates events
11:49 celeron55  it starts from the downmost child element and goes up from there, and the button eats the event
11:50 celeron55  oh wait
11:50 celeron55  you need to just click the background, which means a simple setFocus after a button press will do
11:50 celeron55  why haven't i figured this out before
11:50 frozon_    :p
11:50 frozon_    didn't do anything and here is the solution, i'm great :D
11:51 celeron55  try to add something like that to it: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/a26a66a8c4f2121bb4693e63310ecc4c4d0c78ea
11:52 frozon_    ok, will have a look, but I was wondering of another way to assign keys. In some game if you assign a key already assigned elsewhere, the key you want to assign is unassign to its previous action and then assigned to the action clicked
11:52 celeron55  just make it have it assigned to two actions and show a warning
11:52 celeron55  -make it
11:52 celeron55  no need to try to be wiser than the user
11:53 frozon_    in my commit, you can't assign a key already assign, and it display a message
11:53 celeron55  i hate software that thinks it's wiser than me
11:54 frozon_    I understand, but yesterday I assign Q key (so left key on french keyboard) and it was also assign to the drop key
11:55 celeron55  yes, the warning is useful
11:55 frozon_    so each time I used Q I turn to the left but also drop my item
11:56 celeron55  there are some odd descriptions of keys in the menu
11:58 celeron55  "print stacks" prints some debug stuff that nobody probably has any use for (stacks can be confused with... well, something else) and the "use" key is called "special 1" in the code, and it is basically "go fast or down"
12:00 frozon_    I just upgraded my work computer to mountain lion and I need to upgrade Xcode before doing some change, as soon as it is up to date, i'll have a look to the space issue
12:01 frozon_    And you do not want to stop an user from assigning a key already assigned to another action but let him assign the key and display a waring
12:02 celeron55  the menu could use a lot of rework; it's basically awfully repeated code currently, but i guess everyone is too lazy to make it cleaner
12:03 frozon_    ok, will try to have a look in the next few day if I find something cleaner
12:04 celeron55  ideally it should be just an array of what actions to set, with descriptions, and loops to show and handle them
12:05 celeron55  (note that the descriptions need to be set in the constructor, to be able to use gettext)
12:05 frozon_    will try to look at it and if I have any doubt or question, I'll ask you about ;)
13:09 frozon_    celeron55: you were right about Environment->setFocus(this); for space assignment, it is working like a charm https://github.com/frozon/minetest/commit/45d8bcf27120d8fb37deda3f904eb50e97c13dea
15:37 VanessaE   celeron55: the shapeless recipes seem to work.
15:43 VanessaE   on an unrelated note:  you should take another look at memory management - it's now to the point where enough mods + big textures will crash minetest even on AMD64 builds.
15:43 VanessaE   (over 4GB RAM usage - workaround is obvious but undesirable of course)
16:00 VanessaE   (bug #128 updated with relevant info)
16:09 celeron55  i won't take, because i do not expect to see any possible point of improvement
16:09 celeron55  just don't use your huge textures
16:09 VanessaE   heh
16:13 VanessaE   I'd attempt to point out how it would improve, but my argument will be shot down.
17:45 frozon     celeron55: I worked a bit on guiKeyCodeMenu, dropped about 300 lines, https://github.com/frozon/minetest/blob/master/src/guiKeyChangeMenu.cpp , it should be easy to add new keys if needed
17:46 frozon     dunno if it match what you except and/or how you thought it could be after talking a bit about this topic earlier
17:51 celeron55  by a quick glance, it looks fairly good
17:51 celeron55  you seem to have screwed up the indentation though
17:54 celeron55  this should be of help: http://minetest.net/wiki/doku.php?id=contrib#coding_style
17:54 celeron55  it's not absolutely strict, but you shouldn't got too far from it
17:54 celeron55  s/got/go/
17:55 frozon     ok, just saw a bit of code to clean again, and going to go throughout the coding style guide lines
18:04 VanessaE   celeron55: can you add a replacements= line to mods/wool/init.lua to give back the empty dye bottle?  "People keep smuggling Cokes into the Easter Sector and not returning the empties."  ;-)
18:05 VanessaE   Eastern*
18:06 celeron55  no
18:06 celeron55  patch welcome
18:08 VanessaE   pfft
18:11 EdB        would it be hard to change minetest to generate colored item instead of having to make a png for every possible color ?
18:18 frozon     celeron55: a little bit cleaner, sorry for tabs indent, not used to it https://github.com/frozon/minetest/blob/master/src/guiKeyChangeMenu.cpp
18:19 celeron55  EdB: depends on the details
18:21 VanessaE   celeron55: patched.  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/4
18:22 celeron55  ehm... wat
18:23 celeron55  no that's nonsense
18:23 celeron55  i am not going to put random references to other mods in upstream ones
18:23 VanessaE   well then your wool mod wastes glass.
18:23 celeron55  there needs to be a clean way
18:24 VanessaE   unless there's a way to add a replacement recipe to an existing mod, I see no other way to do it.
18:24 VanessaE   (add, after the fact I mean)
18:27 EdB_       I was thinking base_item.png + dye --> colored_item texture
18:30 EdB        base_item may have to specified wich part could be colord with a special color (like the one used to specify alpha in png times ago) or by giving the color value to be change
18:31 celeron55  i am not going to include any engine feature to make the same item have a different look, but i can consider adding a feature of generating a modified texture based on a base one at runtime by using the engine
18:31 celeron55  (it already has such features, which are badly documented, but there is none for coloring things)
18:32 EdB        i was thing of some thing like that, modified the base texture to by blen with the provided dye
18:33 EdB        blend
18:34 celeron55  but i am not a fan of a hundred dyes, know that
18:35 EdB        ok, I guess the already present dye should be enought
18:36 VanessaE   c55: you mentioned some days ago how you wished I would take over managing the project.  I assumed you were not serious, but THIS sorta argument is exactly why I won't even consider the idea.
18:40 frozon     question: if you hard quit the game (alt+f4, option+q, …) configuration is not saved, is it possible to add settings->setConfigFilePath(configpath); and being able to to settings->updateConfig(); when configuration is modified and saved?
18:40 celeron55  VanessaE: i don't even remember, but i would guess it was kind of speculative
18:40 frozon     *to do
18:41 VanessaE   [07-20 17:45] <celeron55> can you just, like, start leading minetest so that i can forget about it completely?
18:41 VanessaE   (just for your reference)
18:41 VanessaE   my memory sucks, but at least my logs are reliable ;-)
18:44 jordach    VanessaE, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-07-20#i_2381424
18:44 VanessaE   oh sure, just show all my typos for the rest of the world to see ;)
18:46 VanessaE   oops, chit-chat again.
18:46 * VanessaE shuts up.
18:47 * VanessaE un-shuts up.
18:48 VanessaE   celeron55: the only other solution that makes any sense is for me or someone to create a "vessels" mod and have you merge it upstream, and let unifieddyes use that.  then you'd be doing replacements= against that upstream vessels mod.
18:49 VanessaE   (which would contain recipes for glass and metal cups and bottles at the very most)
18:49 celeron55  i am guessing groups is the solution to this like to most things, but i have other things to think about
18:54 VanessaE   damn it.  c55, it doesn't matter anyway - that line would have given back a bottle on any colored-block craft.
18:55 * VanessaE feels stupid now.
18:58 jordach    celeron55, you said http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-07-20#i_2381424 me and VanessaE are capable of doing this, and to be even more honest, i visit the forums, blog and github everyday, im willing to help out in any way possible that i can. and i know VanessaE would like this too, in some aspects.
19:03 VanessaE   ...
19:13 jordach    VanessaE, i might have found where your memory leak sits: Animated nodes point to mesh_make_data instead of the real block data and the list of animated nodes will just be overwritten and i don't know if it will cause memory leaks.(Both things didn't cause problems while testing
19:13 jordach    do you have 512px animated nodes?
19:15 VanessaE   yes I do.
19:15 VanessaE   torches and lava to be exact.
19:15 VanessaE   take this to #minetest.
19:15 jordach    ok
20:25 jin_xi     https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/5 fix warnings about deprecated invsize
20:25 jin_xi     a minimal patch
23:07 VanessaE   celeron55: a suggestion has been put forth on the forums:  Mese should be an ore (I presume similar to how coal and iron are depicted), which when mined gives a mese lump, which in turn could be smelted into mese ingots and then from there crafted into mese blocks (which would be the texture we have now, and usable by all mods that need it).
23:08 VanessaE   obviously mese as an ore would need to be more common.  not sure I like the idea, but it *would* be consistent with the way all other ores work in the game
23:28 celeron55  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/0190f9b077dcb2b8cb41c622dd91ffc1e04dacac
23:29 VanessaE   ooo
23:29 celeron55  that should be able to do... stuff
23:29 VanessaE   lots of people have wantd that
23:29 celeron55  not sure of slowdown, glitches or what it will fail to do
23:29 VanessaE   well whatever it doesn't cover, admins and players can fix manually or restore from backups
23:29 celeron55  and now do not distract me
23:37 celeron55  it basically is dumb as shit but crunches through the crap at a fair speed becaue it's native code
23:37 celeron55  +s
23:38 celeron55  and because it is in the engine i could make it grab quite a many things... with a good amount of trouble
23:39 celeron55  with the latest commit, you can even rollback worldedit commands 8D
23:41 celeron55  it's supposed to be something you can put on a public servers and mind about griefers only afterwards
23:41 VanessaE   sounds good.
23:48 celeron55  liquids need to be tuned for that though; currently you can generate enormous amounts of lava or water by placing relatively few blocks in a certain way
23:48 celeron55  and in the same way get infinite source blocks