Time  Nick       Message
09:28 sfan5      celeron55_: bug report!
09:29 sfan5      if you type /grant <player name> all if you come from 127.0.0.1 you will get kicked ot of the game
09:29 celeron55_ goes to github
09:29 sfan5      ..later
09:29 celeron55_ alternatively you can say it here, AS LONG AS you don't hilight me
09:29 celeron55_ there is no reason to hilight me because i read everything in here anyway
09:30 celeron55_ and someone else is likely fix that rather than me
09:30 sfan5      ok sorry
09:30 celeron55_ sorry is not enough
09:30 celeron55_ you must learn
09:31 sfan5      i will
16:10 MiJyn      c55, I think I know the problem in speedhacking
16:11 MiJyn      in the speedhacking check
16:11 MiJyn      What about if you did "dtime*STEPS_PER_SECOND"?
16:11 MiJyn      and then set STEPS_PER_SECOND
16:11 MiJyn      before, I mean
16:13 celeron55_ if you guys always keep saying everything to me, we are never going to get rid of this celeron55-centric development
16:13 celeron55_ as far as i know, you don't like it either
16:14 celeron55_ it's really not up to me, but up to you
16:49 MiJyn      haha lol
17:44 celeron55_ http://hg.icculus.org/icculus/lugaru/file/97b303e79826/Source/GameTick.cpp#l7425
17:44 celeron55_ to anyone who thinks Minetest's code has ANY problems whatsoever
19:27 MiJyn      I don't exactly get what you mean
19:27 MiJyn      what does Lugaru have in common with minetest?
19:28 celeron55_ it is a game that works
19:30 MiJyn      yes
19:30 MiJyn      not very well coded though
19:30 MiJyn      so how does that relate to minetest?
19:31 MiJyn      how does that say that minetest's code is flawless?
19:36 celeron55  based on long term observations, that guy doesn't seem to have any incentive to do any good to minetest anyway, so i see no reason to have him here.
20:15 joshdude__ hi
20:17 joshdude__ darkrose, is yor node-metadata patch upstream???
20:18 celeron55  they are still waiting for further testing and tweaking
20:18 joshdude__ awesome!
20:19 joshdude__ anything I could do to help dis project?
20:19 joshdude__ its a rly fun game!!!
20:22 celeron55  depending on your skills some of the modders might have something to do; see #minetest-mods and #minetest-delta
20:22 joshdude__ I'm not lua programmer
20:23 celeron55  well you don't sounds like a pro in C++ either
20:23 celeron55  -s
20:23 joshdude__ I'm not native english
20:23 joshdude__ I try to learn
20:23 celeron55  what have you done before?
20:24 joshdude__ I have worked on IDE
20:24 joshdude__ Visual IDE in C++ SDL
20:24 celeron55  eh, but any, like, end results?
20:25 joshdude__ still working on it :)
20:25 joshdude__ since I dont like people stealing code, source is hidden
20:25 celeron55  i recommend working on it instead of minetest then
20:26 joshdude__ I sometimes need breaks from working on it
20:26 joshdude__ so I offer to help here
20:27 celeron55  what would you like to see in minetest?
20:27 joshdude__ well, there are many changes I see could be done
20:28 joshdude__ one of them is hunger and oxygen
20:30 celeron55  you are not going to get them upstream
20:30 joshdude__ you dont want dem?
20:30 celeron55  that means you either want to make a mod, or make code in the engine to support the mod
20:30 celeron55  like, if you want to draw the hunger bar or something, there isn't anything for doing it in a general mod-defined manner yet
20:31 joshdude__ oh
20:31 joshdude__ I dont think I can make mod that does dat right now, is this correct?
20:32 joshdude__ so I have to write engine code for dat?
20:32 sfan5      https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/3 What about a merge?
20:43 joshdude__ hi
20:43 sfan5      hi VanessaE
20:43 VanessaE   hi hi
20:44 celeron55  sfan5: done
20:44 sfan5      :)
20:44 sfan5      time to run ./buildmtwin32.sh
20:45 sfan5      ...aaaand clear some space on ftp
20:52 sfan5      delete this? http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=32539
20:55 celeron55  no.
20:55 sfan5      ok
20:59 celeron55  flamewars are fun
21:10 celeron55  darkrose: even while you try to (apparently) maintain a "next upstream" branch, you should keep your own changes in feature branches and not fix them with others in the only occurrence of them, which is currently master
21:10 celeron55  s/fix/mix/
21:11 celeron55  it kind of gets messy
21:11 sfan5      whet gets messy?
21:12 sfan5      *what
21:12 celeron55  log.
21:12 sfan5      hm
21:12 celeron55  also, compare the style of your commit messages to mine 8)
21:12 sfan5      umm.. i'm more direct?
21:12 celeron55  ...hell
21:13 celeron55  can't you understand i am discussing with someone?
21:13 celeron55  and can't you understand there is a public channel log right in the topic?
21:13 celeron55  no need to spam any useless questions about what is happening
21:13 sfan5      ..
21:15 celeron55  eh, i forgot i was talking to sfan5 before too
21:16 celeron55  well, there is always -delta; i am sticking to being on this channel even if i get frustrated and am trying to have a break
21:16 celeron55  this isn't turning out good but the alternative is me being nowhere, which is worse.
21:17 * VanessaE looks at her shadow on the floor, notes it overlaps c55's, and steps aside a bit just for safety ;-)
21:22 celeron55  darkrose: in any case and more importantly: https://github.com/darkrose/minetest/commit/96bd3f82322a3dccc6406116ed8bb8873e3a7649
21:22 celeron55  that does not look like a valid fix
21:23 celeron55  it should be perfectly able to eat the input data in chunks of the size of the buffer
21:23 celeron55  which apparently isn't included even in the mini unit tests that we have
21:23 celeron55  well that sucks
21:31 VanessaE   c55: ok, I have a question... If a person wants to just chat with you, for whatever reason or subject, how should they accomplish that?  (as opposed to putting off-topic stuff here)
21:32 sfan5      1. hightlight celeron in delta
21:32 VanessaE   he's only in here.
21:32 sfan5      fail
21:33 celeron55  what kind of stuff? for personal stuff, for sure /msg; for any minetest stuff, most likely here
21:34 joshdude__ celeron55, why did you lie to lkjoel?
21:34 celeron55  lie?
21:34 celeron55  when have i lied?
21:34 sfan5      your post
21:35 VanessaE   celeron55: understood.
21:35 celeron55  sfan5: what?
21:35 sfan5      MiJyn (aja
21:36 celeron55  i never intentionally lie about anything to anybody. period.
21:36 joshdude__ [15:16] <@celeron55> well, there is always -delta; i am sticking to being on this channel even if i get frustrated and am trying to have a break [15:16] <@celeron55> this isn't turning out good but the alternative is me being nowhere, which is worse.
21:36 sfan5      *aka lkjoel) just said that you lied in your post
21:36 joshdude__ you said that after he got banned
21:36 joshdude__ bbl
21:36 celeron55  i do not understand
21:37 celeron55  if somebody understand, he could attempt explaining
21:38 celeron55  +s
21:39 celeron55  ...i assume it is nothing then
21:39 VanessaE   I can see an argument for an apparent double-standard perhaps.  On the one hand, you want contributions.
21:39 VanessaE   On the other hand, you're very picky about them.
21:40 VanessaE   To the uninitiated, your rejections can appear more like "piss off and GTFO with your crap code"
21:40 VanessaE   even if that isn't your intent.
21:41 celeron55  self-organization would be the most useful contribution from anyone
21:42 VanessaE   the problem is that you have a different definition of phrases like "use your brains" or "self-organization" than a lot of other people do.
21:42 VanessaE   that doesn't mean I can put either your or their definitions into words, but that's just what it looks like to me.
21:42 celeron55  and what can i do about it?
21:42 celeron55  all this talk is completely useless if there are no solutions
21:43 VanessaE   honestly?
21:43 VanessaE   hrm, hard to put this to words
21:44 VanessaE   to make any change that would improve the situation could lead to negative consequences in your projects (minetest or otherwise)
21:44 VanessaE   Around here, the phrase "just chill out" would probably apply best
21:45 VanessaE   (here = my geographical region that is)
21:45 celeron55  can you just, like, start leading minetest so that i can forget about it completely?
21:45 celeron55  because that sounds like a solution
21:45 VanessaE   heh, no
21:45 VanessaE   no one wants that
21:45 celeron55  i don't see anything else fixing up the situation from my standpoint
21:46 celeron55  "no one wants that" <- why?
21:47 VanessaE   because you're got the intelligence, the knowledge of the code base, and the drive to keep the project going, and you've got contributors to help add features/fix bugs
21:48 VanessaE   from what I gather, everyone else who could otherwise lead the project lacks at least one of those attributes
21:48 celeron55  but when every bugfix either has terrible commit messages, is stuffed beside completely random stuff, actually doesn't fix anything, introduces only a new bug or so and every new feature is directly copied from minecraft, they seem completely worthless
21:48 VanessaE   you've*
21:49 celeron55  the only worthy thing i've seen lately is darkrose implementing some or all of the form stuff kahrl (and I) planned way ago, and then some other guy (who nobody of you knows, and me barely) started some work on making a more polished, consistent and non-minecraft-clone game on the engine
21:50 VanessaE   ok right here lies the problem:
21:51 VanessaE   "terrible", "random", "copied from X", "worthless", apparent lack of worthiness
21:51 VanessaE   these are ALL subjective phrases
21:51 celeron55  if somebody would tweak up a bunch of 20 commits fixing bugs without any minecraft influence with none of the beforementioned problems, i would happily pull it in and continue chilling out on my break
21:51 VanessaE   (hrm, repeated that last one, sorry)
21:52 celeron55  i am just fed up with all those unfinished tiny bits and pieces
21:52 celeron55  and it isn't going to get fixed up unless somebody else takes more charge of them
21:52 VanessaE   fair enough
21:52 celeron55  it = the situation
21:52 VanessaE   but why do those "unfinished" bits exist in the first place
21:52 VanessaE   ?
21:54 celeron55  people are don't care about polishing their commits and do not know the importance and the time consumed by proper quality control
21:54 celeron55  if i knew i could just take anything people throw at me and include it in with the click of a button and the end result would be perfect that way, i would have no problem
21:55 VanessaE   what you're worried about is more, and more obscure, bugs cropping up from those patches
21:55 VanessaE   (which you already said)
21:56 VanessaE   but that's something that, in my experience, has always come with the territory
21:57 VanessaE   it's a risk you take when you accept code from others, is what I mean
21:57 VanessaE   you can't expect it to be perfect.
21:58 VanessaE   that doesn't mean you should be expected to *fix* those bugs,
21:58 VanessaE   that's the job of those code contributors
21:58 celeron55  peopel complain about the quality of code in minetest, and then send me patches like that
21:58 celeron55  .
21:58 VanessaE   sorry if I seem to be vague, I'm having a hard time thinking right now.
21:58 celeron55  i need not say more.
21:59 celeron55  then they compain about it being a clone of minecraft, and send me patches about making lava and water form obsidian
21:59 celeron55  an another period.
21:59 VanessaE   wel wait a sec,
21:59 celeron55  then they compain about it being unstable
21:59 celeron55  and so on
21:59 VanessaE   they're complaining because these are things that are important to THEM
22:00 VanessaE   that doesn't mean their complaints are necessarily valid,
22:00 VanessaE   but that also doesn't mean that your opinion of their complaints is necessarily correct either.
22:00 celeron55  that doesn't mean their complaints aren't valid
22:01 celeron55  those are all things that i have seen too, and complain myself too
22:02 VanessaE   What I'm trying to say is you're wrong a lot of the time, but you don't want to admit to it right away (usually)
22:02 VanessaE   wait,
22:02 VanessaE   better way to put it:
22:02 VanessaE   you mentioned to me some days ago how you felt it people should leave creative decisions to you
22:03 VanessaE   as if creativity was your exclusive domain, to borrow a phrase.
22:03 VanessaE   but at the same time, you've stated more than once that you want minetest to be more of an engine on top of which others can layer some actual game content.
22:03 celeron55  minetest is an engine, minetest_game is a game, and all are under the project minetest, which i happen to be the lead dev of
22:04 VanessaE   that is the polar opposite of what you said before - you can't be the only creative force in the project and expect others to also create content.
22:04 VanessaE   well sure they're both lumped together, but you'd said just as much before.
22:05 VanessaE   do you see what I'm trying to say?
22:06 celeron55  i do, but i do not see viable solutions
22:06 celeron55  which kind of loses the point
22:07 VanessaE   I wish I could suggest a better solution, but getting you to see the point IS the point
22:07 celeron55  i have seen the problem forever
22:08 VanessaE   what i can say is that it has to be something YOU want to change
22:08 VanessaE   I mean, one of those "look in the mirror" sort of issues
22:08 VanessaE   "is this how I really wanna act toward others" kind of thing.
22:08 VanessaE   you know, hollywood style :-)
22:08 celeron55  it's not a matter of acting
22:08 celeron55  it's a matter of how to decide things, and such
22:08 VanessaE   sure it is
22:09 VanessaE   how you act is a product of how you were raised and what your experienced are in the world.
22:09 celeron55  i could be happy and positive to everyone and get nothing done, is that what people want?
22:09 celeron55  even if people want that, i will not do it; it is against my values
22:09 VanessaE   were you raised to, for lack of a better phrase, be an ass? :-)
22:09 VanessaE   ^^ note the smile there.  that's a tongue-in-cheek statement :-)
22:09 celeron55  i can see why you see me as an ass
22:10 VanessaE   nonono
22:10 VanessaE   I don't see you as an ass.
22:10 celeron55  but again, what is the point?
22:10 VanessaE   crabby is a better word actually.
22:10 celeron55  you give no real solutions, only say that be happy and smile to everyone
22:10 VanessaE   nonononono
22:10 VanessaE   you're missing the point
22:10 VanessaE   I'm not saying go all candyland on everyone
22:11 VanessaE   damn it I wish I had better words
22:11 VanessaE   there are two extremes here:
22:12 VanessaE   on the one end, you have Donald Trump.
22:12 VanessaE   on the other end, you have, ohh...let's say some random character from the movie Mary Poppins.
22:12 VanessaE   what's needed is something more in the middle
22:13 VanessaE   you don't have to put on a fake persona to make progress in rewriting things about you that you already agree are negative and affecting others.
22:13 VanessaE   the only real solutions I could offer are ones I figure you aren't going to take anyway
22:14 celeron55  i request you to tell them, just to give some room for thought
22:14 VanessaE   if you were here in the US, I'd suggest to seek council - a psychologist or something - but that's probably too extreme for this situation anyway
22:15 celeron55  i am not generally like this, i am just very fed up with the situation
22:15 celeron55  what you see is quite minetest-specific
22:15 celeron55  or, well, i am, to a certain extent for a certain aspects
22:16 celeron55  but you get the point; my personality leads to this in this situation
22:16 VanessaE   right
22:16 VanessaE   now,m
22:16 celeron55  when i get to work with competent people with an eye for detail and time to spend, i am very happy
22:17 celeron55  or by myself
22:17 celeron55  otherwise, not so much
22:17 VanessaE   but how do you define "competent"?
22:17 VanessaE   to everyone familiar with a given craft, they are themselves competent.
22:17 celeron55  someone who'd be worth hiring for the job with a big pay and short deadline
22:17 VanessaE   ah, see there's the problem
22:18 VanessaE   I've seen you mention that before, but I kinda dismissed it as part of some other subject
22:18 celeron55  those are not things with which i think when i go
22:18 celeron55  but i they are statistically related
22:18 celeron55  -i
22:18 VanessaE   of course.
22:19 VanessaE   but is such a strict selection criteria truly necessary when talking about a simple [*] open-source game+engine?
22:19 celeron55  i highly approve kahrl; i also quite much approve darkrose, altough he is a bit hasty and i need to keep an eye for quality
22:19 VanessaE   [*] relative to something like the Linux Kernel, let's say
22:19 celeron55  then there is eg. tango; i like him too, but he's busy in his dayjob and whatever
22:19 VanessaE   darkrose -> she, just for whatever it's worth :-)
22:19 VanessaE   anyway,
22:19 celeron55  minetest is not simple
22:20 celeron55  it's far from simple
22:20 VanessaE   Simple:  [*] relative to something like the Linux Kernel, let's say
22:20 VanessaE   in other words,
22:20 VanessaE   it's a complex project, but there are much larger and more complex projects out there
22:21 VanessaE   minetest wasn't meant to be like that, was it?
22:21 VanessaE   complicated, businesslike, etc.
22:22 VanessaE   and if you approach it like you would some business proposition, it's going to turn into just that, even if it doesn't make you any money
22:22 celeron55  minetest is roughly half the size of Linux 1.0.0 in terms of lines of code, and uses three or four major technologies, while linux 1.0.0 is just plain old C and x86 assembly
22:23 celeron55  (1.0.0 was released '94)
22:23 VanessaE   "roughly half" of a project released almost 20 years ago.
22:23 VanessaE   think about that a sec :-)
22:24 celeron55  the technologies are C++, Lua, Irrlicht and basically OpenGL or D3D too (to understand things well)
22:24 VanessaE   I recall Linus himself describing his early code in words that suggest it was fairly simplistic or underdeveloped.
22:24 VanessaE   but we're getting off the point now
22:25 celeron55  linus is a magician in terms of community leadership; you can't compare anyone to him
22:25 VanessaE   oh hell no
22:25 VanessaE   but consider this:
22:25 celeron55  he's humble in his talk, but he knows what to do and what to say
22:26 VanessaE   would a hardcore businessman have said, in plain English, "nVidia, Fuck you!" :-)
22:26 VanessaE   probably not.
22:26 celeron55  i would say that
22:26 celeron55  or maybe not; depends
22:26 VanessaE   heh, do that around here and you'll quickly find yourself looking for new contacts :)
22:26 celeron55  probably with his experiences with nvidia i would
22:27 VanessaE   at any rate,
22:28 VanessaE   with this community it's plainly obvious that you can't get away with that, at least if you don't use enough smileys
22:28 VanessaE   the previously-discussed culture clash and so forth
22:30 VanessaE   my husband, who has never played minecraft or minetest, and who has just finished reading the logs, offers the following advice, for whatever it's worth:
22:31 VanessaE   "Get your head out of your ass"
22:31 VanessaE   (it's funny, laugh. :-)  )
22:32 celeron55  i am most interested in hearing what that means in practice
22:33 celeron55  and yes, i am repeating myself
22:33 VanessaE   hang on, trying to get something other than euphemisms from him
22:35 VanessaE   well what he's saying is what I already said:
22:36 celeron55  i mean, when somebody comes to me with so useless information even the toilet would decline flushing it down or so bad a commit even rewriting every character in it wouldn't help at all, and even worse distracts me by hilighting me on IRC, asking for a reply, when i am focusing on something completely different, what do I do?
22:36 celeron55  i don't fancy /ignoring every person in the world
22:37 VanessaE   he's saying you have to look at yourself and decide "damn it, this is just wrong.  I need to stop being this way."
22:37 celeron55  it is just wrong, but the only solution i see is /part
22:37 VanessaE   no
22:37 celeron55  it's a good solution
22:37 VanessaE   if the highlights bug you, can't you just ignore them?
22:38 VanessaE   (I mean literally, pay no attention)
22:38 celeron55  it gets rid of all problems from my part, and the problem of me being an ass in the future from your part
22:39 celeron55  VanessaE: no, because i need to look them in case they are something important; eg. somebody finding out there is a serious security flaw in all minetest servers or that like
22:39 VanessaE   yeah but it causes a major negative:  no one can reach you then - you don't frequent the forums (very often anyway), you aren't in any other channels, you don't want to be highlighted so /msg is out I would have assumed, and emails are easy to just deletge or ignore too
22:39 celeron55  and yes, i am always prepared to fix such a thing as fast as possible
22:39 VanessaE   but see?  that's the problem - what you define as important and what your users define as such is totally different
22:39 celeron55  a thing that is 1000 times more important than what people regularly report
22:40 VanessaE   -g
22:41 VanessaE   let me give you an example:
22:41 VanessaE   ah, this is perfect:
22:41 celeron55  so you are saying i should generally just ignore everything people say to me, by not even looking what they are saying?
22:41 celeron55  that sounds odd
22:42 VanessaE   look at how you responded to bug #149:  in summary, "see no solution.  it's irrlicht's fault."
22:42 celeron55  it's a completely valid technical analysis of it
22:42 VanessaE   not really, no.
22:42 celeron55  everybody would approve it based on the actual evidence i have
22:43 VanessaE   horrible analysis of it, but that isn't my point
22:43 celeron55  i will not listen you if you base anything on that comment
22:43 VanessaE   *sigh*
22:43 VanessaE   herein lies the rub.
22:44 celeron55  well try then
22:44 celeron55  i bet i will just facepalm for the rest of the night
22:44 VanessaE   let me see if I can put this in a way that doesn't sound wrong:\
22:45 celeron55  that bug is basically half a year old, and it has been discussed many times; i even bet it actually is in the github issue list but i couldn't find it by a quick glance
22:46 VanessaE   a coder's time is best spend doing four things regarding their program, roughly in order:  Writing the underlying code, fixing bugs that result in an eventual crash, fixing other bugs that don't, and adding new features.
22:46 VanessaE   these were the core principles that I learned back in the 80's anyway
22:46 celeron55  i might or might not agree; so?
22:47 VanessaE   what you've been doing is a bit different:  working on code that's interesting to you, fixing bugs that bother you, then working on everything else.
22:48 celeron55  that bug bothers me by no doubt
22:48 VanessaE   (legitimate pursuits, of course - but that's what's leading to the most complaints)
22:48 celeron55  hell, i wish you were an actually capable C++ developer
22:48 VanessaE   so do I
22:48 VanessaE   I'd love to help
22:48 celeron55  the stacktrace that bug causes is horrible
22:49 celeron55  you can't tell anything from it
22:49 VanessaE   but my coding experiences doing go beyond BASIC, 6502 assembly, and a smattering of scripting languages.
22:49 celeron55  and the chatconsole code has been originally made by kahrl
22:49 VanessaE   the bug report I was reading has no stacktrace
22:50 VanessaE   so there must be more than one/duplicate
22:50 VanessaE   but either way,
22:50 celeron55  most development and stuff happens in IRC
22:50 celeron55  and pastebins
22:50 celeron55  or at least used to happen
22:50 VanessaE   so the stacktrace sucks - but that begs the question:  how come you haven't seen one yourself?
22:51 VanessaE   (a stacktrace from it crashing for you I mean)
22:51 celeron55  why don't you just directly say that i sould dig it up somewhere and put it there?
22:51 VanessaE   nonono
22:51 VanessaE   that's not what I am saying.
22:52 celeron55  this discussion is leading nowhere
22:52 VanessaE   what I'm saying is that you complain about something like that being no good yet, for nearly everyone playing the game, that crash happens at least somewhat often, but yet you haven't generated better crash output?
22:53 celeron55  ......................................................
22:53 VanessaE   I'm not saying I want you to fix this bug by the way, I'm just using it as an example.
22:53 celeron55  yeah i can just press a button and get better crash output, sure
22:53 VanessaE   (a poor one, apparently)
22:53 VanessaE   *facepalm*
22:54 celeron55  this is my hobby; i do stuff when i see it as being even remotely rewarding without asking for a pay
22:55 VanessaE   exactly
22:55 celeron55  fixing that bug is not even remotely rewarding
22:55 VanessaE   you've just hit on the core issue
22:55 VanessaE   it's a *hobby*, but you're trying to treat it like a business, and when you do that, the hobby ceases to be fun
22:55 VanessaE   I know this for a solid fact:  I took my electronics hobby and made a business out of it.  Now?  It sucks.  I hate it.
22:56 VanessaE   I dread every order that comes in, but I keep the store open because the money is of course of benefit
22:57 celeron55  i recognize your problem fairly well
22:57 VanessaE   the difference of course being I did it for money, you didn't - but we both have followed the same philosophy
22:58 VanessaE   like you, I don't see any solution except to just quit
22:58 VanessaE   and that's worse.
22:58 celeron55  but if something is a hobby, you need to have some kind of a passion for it
22:58 VanessaE   (my other solution, in case you're interested, is to outsource the assembly of my devices)
22:58 VanessaE   passion?  I had plenty of that.  Anyone in that field will tell you the same.
22:59 celeron55  i don't really have enough passion for minetest to take it further; i only strive to keep it from not going down, in case somebody can take it further
23:00 VanessaE   brb, phone
23:01 celeron55  by the way, one should note that i have been sleepy for three hours and the time is 02:00; my stuff is going to only get more negative
23:01 celeron55  (until i sleep, that is)
23:02 VanessaE   ok, then let's call it a night.  Maybe after you sleep for a bit you'll have a better perspect9ive.
23:02 VanessaE   -9
23:03 celeron55  i am very disappointed in my break-taking skills
23:05 celeron55  http://www.datamation.com/open-source/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-community-burnout-1.html
23:06 celeron55  this was raised roughly a year ago on -delta
23:10 celeron55  back then i argued, perfectly validly, that burnout requires stress, and i do not get stressed by much at all
23:10 celeron55  currently i AM stressed
23:14 celeron55  ...
23:14 celeron55  i think i just have too high hopes for 0.4.0
23:14 celeron55  i'll release it tomorrow as-is and then i we have as piss-poor crappy unstable development builds as is even possible
23:14 celeron55  -i
23:14 celeron55  +can
23:18 celeron55  actually i'll do it exactly now
23:19 celeron55  i'll just get something to eat and drink and get cranking 8) lol
23:23 celeron55  the current github version is as stable it can get
23:23 GTRsdk     hopefully with the lava bucket bug fixed?
23:23 celeron55  ehm
23:23 celeron55  what is that?
23:23 celeron55  and who the hell are you? 8D
23:25 GTRsdk     oh you merged the pull request
23:34 celeron55  cherry-picked some small patches from darkrose's branch; nothing big though
23:34 celeron55  there is time for testing the stableness of those sometime later
23:40 VanessaE   there, finally
23:41 VanessaE   reading back, c55 I hope you're joking re: piss-poor quality :-)
23:41 celeron55  who the hell is Jonathan Neuschäfer
23:41 VanessaE   no clue
23:59 VanessaE   c55: interesting article you linked to.