Time  Nick      Message
13:29 darkrose  celeron55: nodetimers implemented: https://github.com/darkrose/minetest/commit/e4f316e3f2a9b1bfd3d6b03c87c52dadb2113aa4
13:39 celeron55 oh dog
13:39 celeron55 do they work now?
13:40 darkrose  did when I tested, just noticed there is actually a spec for them which isn't the same as what I implemented them as though
13:41 celeron55 if you make a node timer of 1 minute, stop the game after 30 seconds of placing such a node on in the world and start the game again, does it trigger after 30 seconds?
13:41 celeron55 that is the point of node timers
13:42 celeron55 or, well, one of the few points
13:46 celeron55 the second point is the higher resolution
13:46 celeron55 and the third point is that they are per-node
13:47 darkrose  yeah the higher resolution works, tested one at 0.2 seconds.... just checkif they work right between shutdowns
13:47 darkrose  ... which they do
13:47 darkrose  and they are per-node
16:50 darkrose  somewhat cleaner nodetimer API: https://github.com/darkrose/minetest/commit/8e6eb3d7e3f410fe0e9e7c8a431845205ae8303f
16:53 celeron55 should "duration" be called "interval"
16:53 MiJyn     depends @c55
16:53 MiJyn     interval means time in-between both
16:53 darkrose  interval make it sound like it will callback more than once
16:54 MiJyn     duration means the time it takes
16:55 celeron55 hmm, true
16:55 celeron55 altough
16:55 darkrose  could be delay or timeout, maybe
16:55 celeron55 duration sounds like something that is on for the... duration of something
16:55 MiJyn     yes
16:55 celeron55 as a random example, QTimer in Qt calls that timeout
16:56 celeron55 let's see what other libraries call it
16:57 celeron55 in wxWidgets, it is called interval, and there is an additional "oneShot" flag
16:58 darkrose  javascript calls it timeout, interval is for 'trigger every interval seconds' ongoing timers
17:01 celeron55 in glib, it is called timeout, in the parameter of g_timeout_add(), and if the callback returns false, it is removed, otherwise it recurs
17:03 celeron55 how on earth can anyone decide what way to use? 8) it's really just up to consistency of the API... and there isn't any occurrece of this kind of thing in it i guess
17:04 celeron55 i'd say do it like glib does
17:05 darkrose  that's what I was thinking, would make for cleaner lua code for recurring timers too
17:06 darkrose  default to call once like glib does? only stop the cycle if on_timer returns false?
17:07 celeron55 a true boolean value of the return value continues it, so it stops if nil is returned
17:07 darkrose  ok
17:09 celeron55 07:46:37 <VanessaE> My Unified Dyes mod is starting to gain a following; remember the limit  on the number of defined nodes/items?  It's becoming a problem now.  May  I suggest going for overkill and just expanding the related field you  talked about by an additional byte instead of just those unused bits?
17:10 celeron55 if you have extra time, you could look into that now that you've messed with the map serialization
17:10 celeron55 that is, 16-bit content ids - there is a half-commented out, half-not-done implementation of them in there
17:12 celeron55 i really don't want to start anything new to cope with dyes or stuff like that, better just extend existing stuff and hope it can cope up with itself
17:12 darkrose  ok, I'll have a look at it
17:13 celeron55 it means making param0 16 bits, and removing the usage of the top 4 bits of param2 for the part of the content id
17:14 celeron55 ...with backwards compatibility
17:14 celeron55 for data on disk
17:14 jordach   hmm
17:22 Calinou   hi jordach
17:22 jordach   celeron55, what would be the simplest way to add nodes in 0.2?
17:22 Calinou   modify_the_source_code
17:22 jordach   we have
17:23 celeron55 0.2?
17:23 jordach   before 0.3-dev
17:23 celeron55 gimme git hash
17:23 celeron55 or tag
17:24 Calinou   celeron55, why did you create a new channel btw? two were enough
17:24 jordach   20110922_3
17:24 Calinou   \o/ a kick
17:25 celeron55 [celeron55@nk minetest]$ git checkout 20110922_3
17:25 celeron55 error: pathspec '20110922_3' did not match any file(s) known to git.
17:26 celeron55 oh, i guess those aren't even in git even if they had tags
17:26 celeron55 because they had tags only in the mercurial repo 8)
17:26 jordach   my bad: 0.2.20110922_3
17:27 jordach   or : https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/stable-0.2.20110922
17:28 celeron55 0.2.20110922_1 is in git, _2 and _3 are just repackagings of the same thing
17:28 jordach   oh
17:28 jordach   i have took the latest, and started my work on adding commonly found nodes in 0.4
17:30 celeron55 oh, _2 exists too in the branch
17:30 celeron55 i was searching in master 8)
17:30 celeron55 well anyway
17:30 celeron55 you want to add new IDs to content_mapnode.h and then add them to content_mapnode_init() in content_mapnode.cpp
17:30 celeron55 and that is it
17:31 celeron55 you could remove the conversion table because nobody has that old maps anymore anyway
17:31 jordach   ah, thanks, quick pick of your brains, texturing?
17:31 celeron55 ?
17:31 jordach   adding a texture to mapnodes
17:31 jordach   ill probably find this out myself
17:32 celeron55 ...if you had just glanced at the files, you wouldn't have asked that
17:32 jordach   silly me
17:33 MiJyn     jordach, you talking about tile.cpp?
17:33 jordach   there we go
17:34 jordach   over the school holidays, im expected to practice c++ - good way to start: minetest src, thanks for the help celeron
17:34 jordach   and im leaving it there
17:37 jordach   is 0x820 legal?
17:37 MiJyn     I don't think so
17:37 MiJyn     unless you are talking about UTF16
17:38 jordach   more like the node defs in content_mapnode.h
17:38 MiJyn     like 0x820 as in the character?
17:38 jordach   yes
17:39 MiJyn     well, UTF-8-wise, no
17:39 MiJyn     because 8 bits can only go up to 256
17:39 jordach   like hexidecimal, or octidecimal
17:39 MiJyn     and 820 > 256 (fyi)
17:39 MiJyn     I'm not sure
17:39 jordach   well: 0x814 //29
17:40 jordach   and 16 nodes shant hurt, right?
17:41 darkrose  celeron55: nodetimers, duration -> timeout, and restart when return true: https://github.com/darkrose/minetest/commit/426c8187a85ae2de0114e1054ac103536bac7608
17:43 MiJyn     darkrose, just wondering, is your username hooked up to a CIA bot?
17:43 MiJyn     or are you just typing out commits that interest you?
17:44 darkrose  entering them, as I commit them
17:44 MiJyn     ah cool!
17:44 MiJyn     manually?
17:44 darkrose  yes, now stfu :p
17:44 MiJyn     ah ok
17:44 MiJyn     I was just wondering
17:45 celeron55 wtf?
17:45 MiJyn     wha?
17:46 celeron55 i don't understand anything you said
17:46 MiJyn     oh
17:46 celeron55 i am guessing it was some very stupid joke
17:46 MiJyn     no
17:46 MiJyn     I was seriously wondering
17:46 celeron55 i am left to wonder what is this thing you wonder
17:47 MiJyn     just because he kept on giving them in a sot of an almost automatic manner
17:47 MiJyn     the commits
17:47 MiJyn     you know what a CIA bot is, right?
17:47 celeron55 no i don't
17:47 MiJyn     oh
17:48 MiJyn     http://cia.vc/
17:48 MiJyn     CIA can send an IRC bot to your channel to instantly report the progress made by you and your peers:
17:48 MiJyn     so it more or less shows each commit that is made
18:02 jordach   celeron55, are we using base64 for node space addressing?
18:17 celeron55 wat?
18:17 jordach   base64.cpp has a usage?
18:17 celeron55 ...
18:17 celeron55 use grep
18:17 jordach   point
18:17 celeron55 i'll kick you of the next stupid question
18:18 jordach   alright]
18:18 celeron55 this channel is intended to be such that i don't feel like grep
18:18 jordach   ok
18:18 celeron55 grep has no other business than grepping code
18:18 celeron55 i have
18:18 celeron55 if you want to ask random stupid questions, a) don't ask them from me, b) dont ask them here
18:19 celeron55 as long as you could not have found an answer with grep or google, i will happily answer
18:19 jordach   ok, thanks
18:46 jordach   celeron55, is it even possible to attempt endless maps?
18:47 celeron55 probably not
18:47 jordach   i grepped for the coordinates
18:47 jordach   and MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT
18:47 celeron55 you'll have huge problems with rendering
18:48 celeron55 because of single-precision floating point
18:48 jordach   ah
18:48 jordach   now, thinking about it, i could probably get to 65535 blocks then a exception
19:06 VanessaE  not a stupid question:  is it possible to use patterns in the recipe section of a register_craft call?
19:13 MiJyn     I don't think so
19:13 MiJyn     but could you elaborate what you mean on "patterns"?
19:14 MiJyn     like *wood*?
19:14 MiJyn     or (.*?)
19:14 MiJyn     ?
19:14 celeron55 lol, a regexp replace could make interesting results 8)
19:14 MiJyn     xD
19:14 celeron55 but no
19:14 MiJyn     yeah
19:14 MiJyn     (.*?)\1
19:14 celeron55 the mechanism at hand is supplying groups to it
19:14 MiJyn     :P
19:15 MiJyn     what do you mean?
19:15 MiJyn     like *mymod*:mynode (section surrounded by *)
19:15 MiJyn     ?
19:16 VanessaE  oh sorry, got sidetracked.
19:16 VanessaE  no, more like:
19:16 VanessaE  recipe {
19:17 MiJyn     vanessae, uh...?
19:17 VanessaE  { "mymod:material_*", "mymod:material_*", }
19:17 VanessaE  ...etc
19:17 celeron55 you set a group in those nodes and then use "group:thatgroup"
19:17 VanessaE  ahhhhh
19:17 VanessaE  I'll do that then
19:18 MiJyn     c55, wait, you implemented a new group API?
19:18 celeron55 https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L424
19:19 darkrose  celeron55: this should fix VanessaE's problem, just waiting for her to test it: https://github.com/darkrose/minetest/commit/1860a9ef211f046f49829fb54fa435e35dac566f
19:19 VanessaE  darkrose: I'm getting to it, slowly  :-)
19:19 MiJyn     c55, oh, I thought it was planned, but not implemented. Sorry!
19:20 celeron55 it was planned at some point, and at some point it was implemented
19:20 VanessaE  celeron55: OH, I get it now.  I never understood that section before.
19:20 MiJyn     celeron55, ah
19:20 VanessaE  thanks for the tip :-)
19:20 VanessaE  bbiab
19:21 MiJyn     whats bbiab?
19:21 celeron55 https://www.google.com/search?q=bbiab
19:22 MiJyn     OH
19:29 celeron55 darkrose: you didn't take into account that param2 can have a full byte worth of information if param0<=0x7f
19:29 celeron55 in the old format
19:30 celeron55 the thing is a minefield of potential bugs
19:31 celeron55 you'll likely cause an another one while fixing that 8)
19:31 celeron55 +to
19:31 darkrose  awesome :)
19:31 celeron55 -to
19:32 celeron55 this is awesome 8) http://c.learncodethehardway.org/ http://c.learncodethehardway.org/book/
19:42 darkrose  why the hell would I read that?
19:43 celeron55 maybe not you, but someone
19:43 celeron55 i did read some of the start and some hand-picked later parts
19:44 celeron55 always refreshing to read someone's rationales for doing things in a certain way in C
19:51 celeron55 (anyway, everybody of course feel free to not even glance at it, excuse the spam)
19:51 darkrose  had a look at it a while ago when I was teaching someone C
19:52 celeron55 i am always interested in how people go at teaching a programming language
19:53 VanessaE  "the hard way".  oh boy.
19:54 celeron55 "with the right attitude and not for babies" = the only way it should be done
19:54 celeron55 the author has made this 8) http://programming-motherfucker.com/
19:56 VanessaE  I afraid to click.... ;)
19:56 VanessaE  I think I've seen this before
20:08 darkrose  bah! I'll look at it after some sleep
23:34 VanessaE  darkrose: sorry I disappeared - internet tech had to work on our line.  did you mean you'll re-read the changes you had me try?