Time  Nick        Message
03:29 nonporous   hi everyone
03:29 VanessaE    hi
03:30 nonporous   i'm trying to find where a certain bug is happening
03:30 VanessaE    what bug?
03:30 nonporous   if you call remove_item() on an InvRef in the script API
03:30 nonporous   (and the InvRef is the player inventory)
03:31 VanessaE    oh..  *whoosh* over my head. :-)
03:31 nonporous   then it will only work, that is it will only actually remove the items, if the item is not in the player's hand
03:31 nonporous   it might not be over your head, i've seen like a million mods by you
03:32 VanessaE    heh
03:32 VanessaE    my mods are all fairly basic
03:32 nonporous   and i'm kind of a noob at navigating the code at this point
03:32 nonporous   ok lol
03:33 nonporous   anyway i established that the problem is not in InvRef::l_remove_item, everything works perfectly through the end of that method
03:33 VanessaE    my most complex, if you can use that term, is actually this template I devised to aid in developing stuff that uses my unifieddyes mod
03:34 nonporous   ah yes i remember seeing the dyes mod
03:34 nonporous   i guess you used that template for homedecor?
03:34 VanessaE    nope, homedecor came out before unifieddyes
03:34 nonporous   oh ok
03:34 VanessaE    (and still needs some tuning to use the dyes more effectively)
03:35 nonporous   this is the developer channel right?
03:35 VanessaE    yes, though it mostly applies to development of the game/engine code rather than mods
03:36 nonporous   ok good
03:36 VanessaE    but right now it isn't being used as much, so who cares what we talk about ;-)
03:36 nonporous   right
03:36 nonporous   well the bug i'm talking about is in the core game
03:36 VanessaE    right
03:37 nonporous   since InvRef::l_remove_item is working fine, there must be something resetting the inventory after such that items are not removed
03:37 nonporous   and i have no clue how to find that something
03:37 VanessaE    I ran into a nasty one when I was working on the template.  in short, if you accidentally pass a table to the 'sounds =' parameter, the game'll segfault.
03:37 nonporous   oh man those are bad
03:38 VanessaE    (in my case, it was the result of a copy&paste error - what should have been for the 'groups =' parameter got applied to it and to 'sounds =')
03:38 VanessaE    the result was a segfault once the code was otherwise correct
03:40 nonporous   sounds difficult to debug :/
03:40 VanessaE    it was, especially since I didn't spot the copy&paste error early
03:41 VanessaE    the game should have done something smart like warning me that I passed a table when a string or function or something was expect
03:43 nonporous   yea lua is a little too forgiving so a lot of that idiot-proofing has to be coded into the game
03:43 nonporous   i actually just learned lua last week for the purpose of screwing around with this game
03:44 VanessaE    I'm picking it up kinda slowly
03:44 VanessaE    but I'm getting there.
03:47 nonporous   ok so if anyone is able and willing to help me with this bug i posted it here: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/issues/150
04:49 darkrose    nonporous: you're issue sounds like the problem's in your lua code, not in anything anyone else can fix
04:50 nonporous   i don't think so
04:51 nonporous   it's not very complicated, remove_item is for sure being called and it is just not working if the item being removed is in my hand
04:51 nonporous   otherwise it works
04:51 darkrose    maybe you can describe it other than "the problem occurs after all the engine code has run, and has returned to my lua code" then
04:54 nonporous   darkrose: sorry i'm not sure what you mean, but what I do know is that the problem occurs some time after the game has called InvRef::l_remove_item()
04:54 nonporous   darkrose: that is, I re compiled minetest with a debugging line that checks the stack size after l_remove_item is called, and it was fine till that point
04:56 darkrose    pastebin a sample lua to show the problem and I'll take a look later
04:57 VanessaE    darkrose: feel like sorting out a crash in the code that handles the 'sound =' parameter? :-)
04:58 VanessaE    try passing table to it instead of a function.  insta-segv. :-)
05:40 nonporous   darkrose: http://pastebin.com/jSkA1pu2
05:56 darkrose    VanessaE: gimme some lua that reproduces it and I'll look at it
06:01 VanessaE    darkrose: one sec.
06:02 VanessaE    http://pastebin.com/5VBRGw2i
06:02 VanessaE    I think this paste was one version which crashed the game
06:02 VanessaE    note the copy&paste errors re: groups vs. sounds
06:02 VanessaE    once I fixed those, the game stopped segfaulting.
06:05 darkrose    nonporous: http://pastebin.com/t7JYNz3R
06:07 darkrose    VanessaE: cut that right down to a dozen or so lines that just show the problem please?
06:08 VanessaE    I'll work on that tomorrow.  too tired to do any coding right now.  can you remind me?
06:08 * darkrose  is a goldfish brain
06:08 darkrose    but I'll try :)
06:09 VanessaE    I think if you reduce it to just that first register_node function with the associated variables at the top of the file, that would be enough
06:39 Bad_Command The function that extracts the groups does not check to see if it is passed a table
06:39 Bad_Command It assumes that it has a table and does some operations on it
06:40 Bad_Command static void read_groups
08:02 art         hi ;]
08:05 art         Calinou: are u there ? i made texture but darkrose sad it's ugly ;<
08:05 art         http://i45.tinypic.com/2a516ok.png
08:05 Calinou     hi
08:05 Calinou     still on minimal game? :P
08:06 art         its faster for test's
08:06 Calinou     meh, too red
08:07 art         it's becouse of my texture ;] i'm not good at it :p
08:07 Bad_Command art:  maybe you can make a new road flare mod
08:07 art         flare mod ? what it supposed to do ?
08:08 Bad_Command You know, light up hazardous things.  on roads.
08:09 darkrose    art, I said the rectangular lump is ugly, not the texture
08:10 art         darkrose: yep i known it but i don't understand how u preffer 2d items instead of 3d ....
08:10 art         minetest suppouse to be 3d i thought ...
08:11 art         rectangular just was simply to make
08:11 nonporous   darkrose: Hey did the test code fail to demonstrate the bug when you tried it?
08:12 art         i was thinking about adding above this(stick) some flame efect or just 2d flame picture ..
08:13 darkrose    nonporous: there's no bug, you just didn't read the docs on how on_use works
08:14 nonporous   darkrose: Ok i'll read the txt on the lua api again and see if I see the problem
08:14 darkrose    nonporous: http://pastebin.com/BshEYEHb
08:14 art         Bad_Command: i still don't known what are u talking about... sory my english is still poor
08:17 Bad_Command art:  https://www.google.ca/search?q=road+flare&hl=en&tbm=isch
08:20 nonporous   darkrose: I see now, I failed to return the item stack. I missed that in the documentation on my first read-through. thanks for the help!
08:22 darkrose    nonporous: close the github issue if you can
08:22 nonporous   darkrose: just did, thanks
08:22 art         Bad_Command: are u say i suppose to name my torch as flare mod or make new one ? and the smoke effect is out of my reach and i don't think its good idea adding it to minetest
08:27 art         darkrose: one more thing so what u think should i made some upgrades to my torch or remake it from brginning or let it be 2d
08:28 Bad_Command It was a bit of a joke intended to imply that your torches look like road flares
08:28 art         Bad_Command: thx :p
08:28 darkrose    or fat cigarettes
08:29 art         hehe ;]
08:30 art         all right but i just cant stand looking on this pice 2d texture in cuboid world .... so im asking how it suppose to look like ..
08:32 art         maybe something like this: http://www.canadiandesignresource.ca/officialgallery/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/dallaire_torch_canadian_design.jpg
08:33 art         instead round shape make it cuboid .. ?
08:36 art         and what i should do with flame ? i think rendering it in engine can be stressfull and request a lot of job to be done how about some animation texture above stick part ?
08:38 art         Bad_Command , darkrose  please, any ideas ?
08:44 Calinou     darkrose, MC also has rectangular "lump"
08:44 Calinou     <art> darkrose: yep i known it but i don't understand how u preffer 2d items instead of 3d ....
08:45 Calinou     wall torches suck because you can only make cuboids
08:49 darkrose    <Calinou> darkrose, MC also has rectangular "lump" <-- doesn't make it good
08:49 art         Calinou: it's game idea to all thing should be cuboids.. and as simply as posible .. so i just i rune out of ideas how should be look like
08:50 art         darkrose: this is one think i will agree ;]
08:53 art         on the begining i was planing to add flaming efect above this stick but there is not ready method for shuch thing in irlicht engine and rendering random looking flame will be hard for engine and slow game a lot
08:56 art         but how about adding above few animating 2d animated flame textures ?
09:01 Calinou     21<art>21 Calinou: it's game idea to all thing should be cuboids.. and as simply as posible .. so i just i rune out of ideas how should be look like
09:01 Calinou     > shitton of polygons
09:01 Calinou     your walltorch is composed of 10-15 cuboids
09:01 Calinou     this is overkill
10:12 art         Calinou: my walltorch is just 24 vertices so its making one cuboid
10:13 Calinou     it's not one cuboid
10:13 Calinou     you used a shitton of cuboids to make it "slopey"
10:13 darkrose    art: are you writting that in C++?
10:13 art         yes ..
10:14 darkrose    lol, instant reject
10:14 art         o0 why ?
10:15 art         its still using old way texture loading from lua i just changed way of painting torch metchod
10:22 Calinou     why C++?
10:22 Calinou     did you create a new drawtype?
10:22 Calinou     <art> on the begining i was planing to add flaming efect above this stick but there is not ready method for shuch thing in irlicht engine and rendering random looking flame will be hard for engine and slow game a lot
10:23 Calinou     LOL MY OFFLINE RASTERIZER CANNOT RENDER A TRANSPARENT TEXTURE
10:23 Calinou     HEHUEUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHU
10:23 Calinou     people need to learn _what_ is slow, and what isn't slow
10:39 jordach     art, why are you using the webIRC
10:39 art         hmy .. duno ;]
10:39 jordach     then make use of xchat or something
10:40 art         i thing i hate it enough already i will change it ..
10:42 jordach     then use something else, there are hundreds of clients
10:42 art         one more thing why i should program in lua istead of c++ ?
10:42 art         jordach: right now im looking for somthing
10:42 jordach     players want mods, not frickin clients
10:43 jordach     but, mod can be hard to install, unlike clients
10:45 art         >.<
10:45 jordach     because the api updates with every commit, breaking it
10:45 jordach     almost everytime, see the nodemetadata commit
10:47 art         nodemetadata commit is connected to game, C++ or git ?
10:47 art         becouse its first time i heard of something like this ..
10:51 art         all right forget my last question .. i got it alredy .. ;]
11:00 art         jordach: sorry i dont see your point and what are u trying to say...
11:00 art         look in nodemetadata for what ?
11:00 jordach     the nodemeta data cause all the mods to break
11:00 jordach     subsequently,  THEY ALL HAD TO BE UPDATED
11:01 art         hmy.. all right now i understand ..
11:02 art         but the game core is still not finished where is point making mods when sooner or later they will be useless ?
11:03 jordach     yes
11:03 jordach     which the writer will have to fix them
11:03 jordach     (and frankly, i hate doing this)
11:04 jordach     0.4 stable should be good: no more broken mods
11:06 art         so if i get it somewhere is nodeMetadata class is the problem witch making mods break after new commints in git right ?
11:07 art|2       all right i got some client  ;]
11:07 jordach     sweet
11:08 jordach     do /nick art to be art again
11:08 art         thx
11:08 jordach     there ya go
11:10 art         but now i dont have  dictionary checking ><
11:10 jordach     well, if you had xchat, you do
11:10 art         xchat is crashing  i dont known why  this one should got also one ;D
11:12 jordach     ^ missing some libs
11:12 art         it is possible but i dont want to play  with it right now
11:21 art         #minetest-delta
11:21 jordach     art, /join #minetest-dev
11:21 art         arr... sory .. there isnt spell checker in this client  ... o0
11:21 jordach     or /join #minetest
11:23 art         give me a second i have to change this client >.<
11:28 art_        jordach: all right now i can work ;D
11:29 art         so can u explain me where and when is this problem witch api is appearing ?
11:30 art         just after game core updating ?
11:35 jordach     it will occasionally happen, but not all the time
11:37 art         so its worst possible scenario >.> without good knowledge of game core i can't help with it ;(
11:38 art         so right now you guys simply avoiding any changes in game core ?
11:40 jordach     yep
11:40 jordach     we wait until the fat lady sings
11:40 jordach     or we wait until celeron commits
11:42 art         ;D
11:44 art         so only think what can be done right known is hacking the code or is there some work witch can be done now ?
11:47 jordach     not really, except extending the nodebox limits
11:48 art         hmy .. but in lua ?
11:48 art         or in core ?
11:51 art         nodebox have foully simple painting function is there a way to extend it in lua ?
23:22 T_A_N_K     has kharl ever come back?
23:25 NakedFury   no