Time  Nick        Message
14:17 Anchakor    did anyone get anywhere with making the Cube2 engine work on (chunk partitioned) nearly-infinite worlds?
15:02 Aerodynamic Can somebody please direct me to the source code for the latest minetest version?
15:04 jordach     Aerodynamic, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest
15:06 Aerodynamic Thank you
15:06 Calinou     google helps, mkay?
15:06 Calinou     https://github.com/celeron55/minetest
15:06 Calinou     engine
15:06 Calinou     https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
15:06 Calinou     game
15:09 Aerodynamic I realize google helps. But I dont know the full name of the latest version
15:11 Calinou     and MT's website, too :P
15:13 Aerodynamic And I need Minetest Game as well correct?
15:14 jordach     yes
15:14 jordach     if you want the default mods that come with the windows builds
15:28 Aerodynamic So is github a source code download website or something?
15:33 VanessaE    yes
15:33 VanessaE    but it can also supply binaries, whatever it is you put there
15:34 VanessaE    as long as it's open-source, it's free
15:34 VanessaE    I use it to distribute my texture packs and mods
15:35 Aerodynamic Good idea
15:35 Aerodynamic I have a new computer so I had to recompile from the other day.
15:36 Aerodynamic So about how often does a new version release?
15:36 VanessaE    linus makes new installs and hardware upgrades quite painless now
15:36 VanessaE    "a new version"?
15:36 VanessaE    you mean of the code github itself uses?
15:36 Aerodynamic Yeah, Like not 0.3 to 0.4, But just a new release
15:36 Aerodynamic New source code I guess
15:36 VanessaE    you mean of the code for minetest.
15:36 VanessaE    it varies
15:37 VanessaE    c55's last commit was a few weeks ago
15:37 Aerodynamic Yeah like 02fb912 to the next one coming
15:37 VanessaE    each time a person makes a new commit, that's effectively a new version
15:37 Aerodynamic So many developers make new ones.
15:37 VanessaE    (but not necessarily a "release" as in "a stable package you can download and run right away"
15:38 Aerodynamic Yeah thats what I mean
15:38 Aerodynamic I mean just a new release.. Availible for compiling and playing
15:38 VanessaE    right
15:38 VanessaE    every new commit is that way
15:39 VanessaE    follow the instructions in the README and each new commit behaves like a new release
15:39 Aerodynamic ? I loaded up minetest and started it. And the terminal is busy running it but I see no window?
15:39 Aerodynamic There it is
15:40 VanessaE    just make sure the cd celeron55-minetest-blahblah goes to the right hash.
15:42 Aerodynamic Okay good I think my server is back up
15:43 Aerodynamic Now I need to do all the configurations and stuff to set up admin and all
15:43 VanessaE    that's why I always compile with RUN_IN_PLACE=0
15:43 VanessaE    no need to repeatedly set the program up, copy my mods+textures back over, etc.
15:44 VanessaE    the binaries end up in /usr/local and everything important sits in ~/.minetest where it belongs
15:46 Aerodynamic Okay, Now I need to find that admin config file all over again. I forgot in all the chaos of trying to setup my server for the first time a few days ago
15:47 VanessaE    have fun :-)
15:51 Aerodynamic Ill try lol
16:14 Aerodynamic Ugh I cant figure it out
16:17 Aerodynamic Hold on a sec I think I may have it
16:28 Aerodynamic Alright good I figured it out. Now all thats left is getting used to the commands and getting the server out there :)
16:29 Calinou     figured what out?
16:29 Aerodynamic Setting up the admin privs. I had to shut the server down first -_- finally figured that out
16:29 VanessaE    Calinou: why, "it" of course.
16:30 VanessaE    I mean, he said so right there in the first sentence ;-)
16:30 Aerodynamic You dont have to eat up my grammar lol
16:30 Calinou     http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2356
16:30 Calinou     answer
16:30 Calinou     :3
16:30 Aerodynamic Or writing for using a better word. Or wording lol
16:30 Calinou     it's straightforward though...
16:31 Aerodynamic Yeah I got it figured out. I was gonna update on that but its too late now :)
16:31 Aerodynamic Before I had my name in the field but I had to shut down the server first. That was the only issue
16:31 Calinou     /help for command list
16:31 Calinou     /help all to list all commands with decriptions
16:31 Calinou     F10 for console/chat log
16:32 Calinou     (can sometimes cause segfaults/access violations when opened)
16:32 VanessaE    F10 for random crashes you mean :-)
16:32 Calinou     ^ less common on windows
16:32 Calinou     :D
16:32 VanessaE    heh
16:32 VanessaE    interesting thing:\
16:32 VanessaE    if you spin yourself around (i.e. slide the mouse to the side) and hit F10 while you're turning, it happens far less often
16:33 Calinou     experience FTW, FUCK KNOWLEDGE
16:33 Calinou     ~VanessaE
16:33 VanessaE    heh
16:33 Calinou     :}
16:33 VanessaE    don't ask me why that's the case, but it is :-)
16:34 VanessaE    <celeron55> mouse movement isn't related to the chat console, stop shouting random things about shit you don't know about
16:34 VanessaE    :)
16:35 VanessaE    (something's missing to make it look more like his writing style ;-) )
16:35 Aerodynamic Is there something wrong with my installation or something? Because my guy keeps slowly looking upwards.
16:35 VanessaE    Aerodynamic: running under a virtual machine or wine or something?
16:36 Aerodynamic Na, I compiled it myself
16:38 Aerodynamic How am I to get my cordinates on this Linux compiled version?
16:39 Calinou     press F5 (debug info)
16:39 Calinou     top left of screen
16:39 Calinou     (X,Y,Z)
16:39 Calinou     <Aerodynamic> Is there something wrong with my installation or something? Because my guy keeps slowly looking upwards.
16:39 Calinou     happens on my debian testing VM
16:40 VanessaE    doesn't happen to me for some reason
16:40 Calinou     it happens on some computers, reason is unknown
16:40 VanessaE    (xubuntu 12.04)
16:40 Calinou     doesn't happen natively (windows)
16:40 VanessaE    but then, I get the crashing bug with F10, and the "server version is different from client version" bug with only 1400 defined items in the game
16:41 Calinou     "only" lol
16:41 VanessaE    yes, only
16:41 VanessaE    you install a mod that provides 200 different items only to use one or two
16:41 VanessaE    stack that up with enough mods to get just those things you need and you can very easily exceed that limit
16:42 Calinou     dunno how many definitions I have
16:43 Aerodynamic Great, Now when I use "minetestserver" I am getting an error. Wasnt doing that before -_-
16:43 Calinou     minetestserver === minetest with --server argument
16:43 Calinou     ;)
16:43 Calinou     Aerodynamic, what error? may I ask?
16:43 Calinou     :P
16:43 Aerodynamic 09:43:31: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: Failed to bind socket (port already in use?)
16:44 VanessaE    rm ~/.debug.txt and run minetest.  Start a world and then immediately exit.  cat debug.txt |grep "ItemDefManager: registering" |wc
16:44 Aerodynamic I wasnt getting this before. So after the first time it must be accomanied by an argument?
16:44 VanessaE    the first number returned is the number of items defined in the game across all mods, including default
16:44 Calinou     <VanessaE> rm ~/.debug.txt
16:44 Calinou     why a ~?
16:44 VanessaE    oops, typo
16:44 VanessaE    ~/.minetest/debug.txt
16:45 Calinou     graphical file managers FTW
16:45 Calinou     getting used to thunar is hard :s
16:45 Aerodynamic Okay I deleted debug.txt
16:45 Calinou     (my debian runs Xfce)
16:45 VanessaE    Aerodynamic: oh, that wasn't meant for you!  that was for Calinou  :-)
16:45 VanessaE    (it won't break your install though)
16:46 Calinou     debug.txt can grow a lot. :P
16:46 Calinou     especially in 0.4; a shitton of stuff is logged
16:46 VanessaE    vanessa@rainbird:~$ cat ~/.minetest/debug.txt |grep "ItemDefManager: registering" |wc
16:46 VanessaE    1377    6885  106222
16:46 VanessaE    1377 items defined in my install right now
16:46 Calinou     lol, your hostname
16:46 Calinou     wc? what's that
16:46 Calinou     :D
16:46 VanessaE    what, you don't like my hostname? :-)
16:46 VanessaE    wc = word count
16:47 Calinou     my debug.txt was 22MB; removed it
16:47 VanessaE    first number is lines, second is words, third is chars
16:47 Aerodynamic What does my error appear the problem is?
16:47 Calinou     my "best" one was 131MB
16:47 Calinou     <Aerodynamic> 09:43:31: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: Failed to bind socket (port already in use?)
16:47 Calinou     "port already in use" explains it
16:47 Calinou     you're already running some service on port 30000
16:47 Calinou     tip: "top" for a process list
16:47 VanessaE    Aerodynamic: are you trying to start a singleplayer game while the server is running separately?
16:47 Calinou     ^ NEVER do that
16:47 Calinou     can cause corruption
16:47 Aerodynamic Even though I have minetest off
16:47 Aerodynamic Its not even on
16:48 VanessaE    ps axuww |grep minetest
16:48 VanessaE    see if it's been backgrounded.
16:48 Calinou     kill -9 *, see if it exists *trollface*
16:48 VanessaE    hah
16:49 VanessaE    don't ever do that either :-)
16:49 VanessaE    less'n you want to re-login ;-)
16:49 Aerodynamic Looks like it may be. But my friend is telling me the server is not working
16:49 VanessaE    if it is running, you need to use multiplayer mode in your client to connect to it
16:50 Aerodynamic Of course.
16:50 VanessaE    localhost, port 30000 should do it.
16:50 Aerodynamic He has connected to it before
16:50 VanessaE    hrm
16:50 VanessaE    firewall?
16:50 Aerodynamic I can connect to it. The issue is him, And on my previous computer i forwarded the ports. Maybe the new CPU's firewall?
16:50 Calinou     "CPU firewall" facepalm
16:50 Calinou     Aerodynamic, your internal IP has changed maybe
16:51 * VanessaE  repeats Calinou's facepalm
16:51 Aerodynamic Ill find that out now then
16:51 Aerodynamic Yeah looks like it changed
16:51 VanessaE    why does everyone use 192.169.whatever for internal IPs?  I always use 10.1.1.x
16:52 VanessaE    easier to type :-)
16:52 VanessaE    er, 192.168.whatever..
16:52 Calinou     lol
16:52 jordach     because 192.168 is a windows address
16:53 VanessaE    jordach: wrong.
16:53 Aerodynamic Okay it should be fixed
16:53 VanessaE    192.168.x is one of a few IP ranges intended entirely for LANs.  Windows probably just defaults to it because everyone else does
16:53 VanessaE    10.x.x.x is another, I forget what the others were
16:59 Aerodynamic Hmm.. Yeah I need to work with the firewall. Is there a way I can get to that here from Ubuntu Linux?
16:59 Aerodynamic Trying to do this as fast as possible or else I would just search it
17:02 VanessaE    you know, I've never figured out firewalling in linux, short of using iptables from the command line
17:02 VanessaE    and even then I'm not too good at using it
17:03 Aerodynamic Should I switch to Windows Firewall for this then?
17:03 VanessaE    no. :-)
17:03 Aerodynamic It worked last time
17:04 VanessaE    well if it works, I guess use it.  but I'm not exactly a fan of windows, so..
17:34 Aerodynamic Can one of you guys please check out my server to see if it works for you guys? Because my friend JUST cant connect
17:35 VanessaE    address?
17:38 * VanessaE  waits...
17:39 Aerodynamic Hold on
17:39 Aerodynamic 74.138.121.73
17:39 Aerodynamic Sorry I was busy
17:39 VanessaE    no, NOW! :-)
17:39 VanessaE    ok, checking
17:40 VanessaE    nope, no good.
17:40 Aerodynamic My friend was able to connect ha ha
17:40 VanessaE    what port?
17:40 Aerodynamic 30000
17:40 VanessaE    trying again...
17:41 VanessaE    Nope, I can't connect.
20:50 jordach     night all
21:01 Aerodynamic Hello
21:03 Aerodynamic I think I know the reason you had trouble connecting earlier VanessaE, I need to add an exeption for you in my firewall. I Installed a particular one after failing to figure out how I get an exeption for minetest connections earlier. (Turns out I didnt even need it.)
21:03 Aerodynamic But I need to add an exeption for your IP
21:04 Aerodynamic Or just turn it off
21:06 VanessaE    ah, that would do it
21:10 Aerodynamic So what do you do with most of your time here on minetest? Play? Develop things?
21:12 Aerodynamic Alright I'm headin off
21:19 VanessaE    um..