Time Nick Message 07:44 ironzorg flowers ♥ 09:33 les_ hey people :) 09:34 les_ has anyone here worked on the minetest C++ ? 09:36 les_ ah, probably everyone is asleep on account of me being on the dark side of the earth 09:37 Calinou not really 09:37 Calinou people tend to forget about C++ when they make mods, results in a full mob system made in lua, which is bad 09:37 Calinou performance-wise and coding-wise 09:37 Calinou (see animals or mesecons mod) 09:38 Calinou celeron55 is currently taking a break from minetest 09:39 ironzorg lol animals 09:39 ironzorg same category as the minecarts/arrow mods 09:39 les_ I disagree a bit - a lot of good stuff can be done in lua 09:40 les_ but yes, we need some 3D animals 09:40 les_ I am working on that right now 09:40 ironzorg the way it was done is incredibly naive, and bound to fail 09:40 Calinou les_, are the models hardcoded in lua, or are they 3D models using a format? 09:40 ironzorg hope you will do better 09:40 Calinou doing models with a format is much better imo 09:41 les_ with a format? 09:41 Calinou tip: if you plan on doing this, don't choose an half assed format; MD3 could be good for minetest, however it does not support skeletal animation 09:41 Calinou (irrlicht supports it natively) 09:41 les_ md3 is what I have started with 09:41 les_ what do you recommend? 09:42 Calinou MD3 should be fine 09:42 Calinou some other model formats support skeletal; but they're too uncommon 09:42 les_ if I can just get a mesh displayed, I can figure out the right format later 09:42 Calinou better use a non-skeletal format which is very popular 09:42 les_ I am going at it from a couple of angles 09:42 Calinou plus; skeletal animation from blender can be exported to vertex anim 09:42 Calinou iirc 09:43 les_ I don't know if irrlicht supports any skeletal formats natively 09:43 ironzorg les_: ducks, bears, butterflies, ravens 09:43 ironzorg you have one hour to do all those ↑ 09:43 les_ but I did see some mention of someone trying to get iqm support into irrlicht 09:44 les_ ironzorg: er, lets first draw a mesh :) 09:44 ironzorg you only have 58 minutes left, hurry up 09:46 les_ ah, I see irrlicht can do ms3d, and I got milkshape running this weekend 09:46 les_ I also got a kinect this weekend so I could perhaps do some motion capture with that 09:51 les_ I did manage to load and animate an md3 in a little irrlicht test app, I am trying to get it running inside mt 09:52 Calinou 3D player? :D 09:52 Calinou ;) 09:52 ironzorg no :< 09:52 ironzorg 2D players are just fine 09:53 Calinou nah 09:53 Calinou sometimes invisible from certain angles 09:53 Calinou we could have placeholer extrusion for now; but 3D models would be ideal, especially with animations 09:54 Calinou placeholder* 09:54 les_ 2d players look super strange don't you think? 09:54 Calinou yeah 09:54 ironzorg they make minetest unique 09:54 Calinou -_- 09:54 les_ not they don't 09:54 Calinou herewego.jpg 09:55 Calinou opensource guys doing "alternate but crappy is good" again 09:55 ironzorg I don;t want the game to turn into one of the hundreds voxel games that already exist 09:55 Calinou opensource guys doing "alternate but crappy is good" again 09:55 les_ they are copied from the original 09:55 les_ infiniminer 09:55 Calinou if you plan on making 3D players; please make them with the same proportions as minecraft's to anger ironzorg 09:55 Calinou (and also because they just look good and has a good uvmap) 09:55 ironzorg it's not a matter of looks, it a matter of concepts 09:56 les_ hang on, I'd like to hear what he says 09:56 les_ what do you say, ironzorg? what concepts? 09:56 ironzorg having 2D players is something nobody else does 09:56 ironzorg afaik 09:56 les_ but maybe nobody does it because it looks mighty weird to have 2d graphics in a 3d game 09:56 ironzorg well, I like it and so does celeron 09:57 ironzorg I focus on what I build, not on what I look like ingame 09:57 Calinou having 2D players is something nobody else does 09:57 Calinou infiniminer, news to you? 09:57 les_ hmm, ok 09:57 Calinou I still want (animated) 3D models 09:58 ironzorg infiniminer is long dead, the trend nowadays is minecraft 09:58 Calinou people not agreeing because "amg it copies minecraft" might also find better arguments 10:03 les_ haha, just found a herewego.jpg: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/17944453/images/1329229948737.jpg 10:04 * Calinou 's quit/part message is now "Excess Flood" 10:05 Calinou :} 10:05 Anchakor Doom > any latter 3d shooters. QED 10:06 Calinou Doom < any latter 3d shooters. QED 10:06 Calinou QED? 10:07 Calinou we're making graphical improvements for a reason 10:07 Calinou doom was shit 10:08 les_ Anchakor, are you saying Doom was better than any later 3D shooters? 10:09 Japa_werk Anchakor, your oppinion is wrong 10:09 les_ hmm, well I guess everyone's free to play whatever they like 10:09 les_ I do still play the oldies 10:10 les_ but I find doom completely unfun because you can't look up and down and you have to keep picking the mouse up 10:11 Calinou recent FOSS FPS are pretty good 10:11 Anchakor I seriously dislike fully 3d games 10:11 Anchakor especially the cartoonish kind 10:11 Calinou sauerbraten/red eclipse/xonotic/warsow/urban terror/assault cube 10:11 Calinou tremulous can go fuck itself though 10:11 Anchakor WoW is abomination 10:11 Calinou wow sucks 10:13 Anchakor I don't think there is any low budget or open source 3d game that I like graphically 10:14 les_ Anchakor: what DO you like though, and WHY? 10:15 Anchakor if I refrain from high budget titles, I like pixelart and arty styles 10:16 Anchakor why I don't know, it is aesthetic preference 10:17 Calinou I never play AAA games 10:17 Anchakor I played half life 2 and I really liked the graphical style 10:17 Anchakor but there is no way to achieve that on low budget 10:18 Anchakor so pointless to discuss 10:18 Calinou *opensource misconception* yeah 10:18 Calinou people need to shut up about GIMP; it's fine, and great 10:18 Calinou people say you must have PS to make decent textures 10:18 Calinou it's wrong 10:18 Calinou PS fanboys need to lrn2gimp before saying it's shit 10:32 brobostigon is using the /give thingie ok? 10:35 VanessaE generally 10:35 VanessaE if the server allows it or you're just playing single player mode just for fun, I don't see a problem 10:40 brobostigon it is my server, i have the privs, one os my server users asked for something. 10:40 brobostigon of* 10:40 VanessaE ohhh 10:40 VanessaE well you just have to make sure your users can't /give themselves stuff like lava_source, water_source, or bucket 10:41 brobostigon yes, only i have said priv. 10:52 les_ Hi Vanessa! 10:59 les_ I'm off 10:59 les_ goodnight folks 11:06 VanessaE er, hi? 11:54 ironzorg < Anchakor> I seriously dislike fully 3d games // THANK YOU.