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00:52 MTDiscord <theidealist> how would you pronounce that? /ʝuanti/? /juanti/? /ʎuanti/? /ɬiʉ̯anti/ even?
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01:15 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> welsh LL
01:18 MTDiscord <theidealist> so my last option
01:19 MTDiscord <theidealist> the others were Spanish ll, French ll and the older version of both (like Italian gl)
01:21 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> I don't any of those go at the start of words
01:21 MTDiscord <theidealist> spanish does
01:22 MTDiscord <theidealist> not the others though
01:27 MTDiscord <theidealist> I should specify that the pronunciation I gave only applies to dialects with yeísmo; for those without, the third one is better
01:28 MTDiscord <vejou> you pronounce it the same as luanti
01:28 MTDiscord <vejou> just with more palatization on the u
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01:29 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> vejou: how are you enjoying being connected on all 3 platforms?
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01:30 vejou i get pinged on element for typing anything
01:30 vejou but i get to argue with myself
01:30 MTDiscord <vejou> why would you argue with yourself
01:30 [MatrxMT] <vejou> hey wait please consult with me first before doing that
01:30 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> sockpuppets but they're obvously connected to the same torso lol
01:30 vejou is it so obvious
01:31 [MatrxMT] <vejou> that i am using
01:31 MTDiscord <vejou> three accounts?
01:31 MTDiscord <theidealist> lol why
01:32 vejou the funny thing is that the irc one is visually the nicest with the lack of <Platform Name> before my username basically everywhere
01:32 vejou i guess its mostly an irc chat we're living in
01:32 vejou besides discord
01:32 vejou discord even shows my picture for this irc name
01:32 MTDiscord <wsor4035> its a me
01:32 wsor4035 or me?
01:32 vejou hmm
01:32 [MatrxMT] <probably wsor> or meee?
01:33 vejou aah!
01:33 vejou iirc
01:33 vejou internet internet relay chat
01:35 [MatrxMT] <vejou> i didnt use windows on my home computer at all today!
01:35 [MatrxMT] <vejou> personal record?
01:36 bdju congrats
01:36 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> wow, that's nice
01:36 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> I ceased to even have windows on my main computer a few years back
01:37 [MatrxMT] <vejou> oh idk if ill get rid of it
01:37 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> we can all dream
01:40 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> anyone played modded Hades Revisited? What mods, and how much improvement did you see?
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08:13 MTDiscord <bastrabun> Apparently core.load_area(pos1, pos2) does not load/activate entities. How can I activate entities at a position without having a player present?
08:15 MTDiscord <bastrabun> forceload? emerge_area?
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08:30 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> How do you make a modchannel writeable for the client? I only get it writable for the server.
08:34 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> mesecons. improvement: mesecons.
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12:27 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> Bracket: Did you use it to automate something?
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14:36 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> strawberrys
14:37 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> Blockhead: I used it to make strawberry pie.
14:37 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> Forgot the pipeworks
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14:40 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> And do you know how to make a modchannel writable for the client?
14:58 sfan5 probably nobody has used mod channels in a while
14:58 sfan5 reading the source code is your best bet
14:58 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> where do I find code for modchannels?
14:59 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> The luanti source code is so big D:
15:03 sfan5 start with src/modchannels.cpp and see where that is used
15:05 MTDiscord <vejou> mt code could definitely use some labels
15:07 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> whats MODCHANNEL_STATE_MAX
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15:07 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> and MODCHANNEL_SIGNAL_CHANNEL_NOT_REGISTERED,
15:07 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> MODCHANNEL_SIGNAL_SET_STATE
15:20 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> Oh nice, i found out how to make it work
15:21 [MatrxMT] <Blockhead256> P.S. deleting a message on Matrix won't do anything to IRC, which is logged to irc.minetest.net
15:25 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> Oh.
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15:31 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> ([%g ]+) would capture anything except control character, right?
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18:10 MTDiscord <aeshaedi> do you see embeded discord images?
18:10 MTDiscord <aeshaedi> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1349806791302844426/imagen.png?ex=67d47109&amp;is=67d31f89&amp;hm=ca6313d2a539650eed6dae583a920ef45534aa63c3dc0ac564ee8697d41a186c&amp;
18:14 Warr1024 IRC users see a big long ugly discord URL.  Some clients may load and embed the image, but many will not.  The URL will become invalid after ~24 hours (Discord's platform rules) and so anyone reading the IRC logs much later will just see a useless URL they can't load.
18:15 mikewilzn jover
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18:18 MTDiscord <aeshaedi> oops, im sorry for log readers, hope you will appreciate this rose that will perish in a day
18:18 MTDiscord <warr1024> I'm not sure who CeLeΓO∩SS or s𝑓ans are, but at least I recognized rubenwardy.
18:19 MTDiscord <aeshaedi> xD
18:19 MTDiscord <zeminori> More likely гuьепшагdy
18:21 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> I see the image, but also the link.
18:21 MTDiscord <wsor4035> missed opportunity for uwubenwardy
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18:23 rubenwardy uwu
18:23 rubenwardy I'm not a furry
18:23 rubenwardy but I have a suspicious number of furry friends
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18:35 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> ruberwardy: You mean people with a lot of hair growth?
18:35 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> rubenwardy*
18:37 rubenwardy No, I mean people that like to dress as anthropomorphic characters
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18:40 Krock ruwubenwardy
18:41 ireallyhateirc each FOSS project has its secret furry club
18:41 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> rubenwardy: what is anthropomorphic?
18:42 ireallyhateirc Bracket, check the dictionary. But usually means "resembling human"
18:42 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> So, they dress as humans?
18:43 [MatrxMT] <Bracket> Oh i see
18:43 ireallyhateirc https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Anthropomorphic
18:44 ireallyhateirc I'm not deeply into furry lore tho
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19:18 MTDiscord <vejou> if you are being serious bracket
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19:18 MTDiscord <vejou> it means people who like to dress like zootopia characters
19:20 ROllerozxa buying fursuits? in this economy?
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22:50 wew hello, guys, can you tell me, why so many mods don't work with mineclonia game? It's so sad, but, maybe, I can do something about it?
22:53 ireallyhateirc mods usually are made for a game, historically the "Minetest Game" was the official game all modsoups were made for
22:54 ireallyhateirc the underlying code is different for Minetest Game and Mineclonia, hence mods won't work for both unless the mod author adds explicit support for both
22:57 [MatrxMT] <vejou> how different is mineclonia really
22:57 [MatrxMT] <vejou> from mtg
22:58 MTDiscord <vejou> does it really need to break everything
22:59 sfan5 it's a totally different game from the ground up
23:00 wew thank you, for answer. I'm wonder, are there any modpacks or something like it? I like mineclonia a lot, but want some tech mods. And don't know where to start to get similar experience.
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23:00 vejou how much is it lacking from not being directly made on MTG
23:01 vejou just a lot of references to functions etc?
23:05 cheapie vejou: Lots of mods make quite a few assumptions about the availability of items
23:06 MTDiscord <vejou> mods should stop doing that i think
23:06 cheapie They can if they want, there's xcompat and stuff, but there's also the "this is a mod for <specific game> and not made to work with others" option
23:07 ireallyhateirc it's up to modders to support (or not) your favourite minecraft clone/mod soup
23:07 cheapie [13:23:32] <rubenwardy> I'm not a furry ← yet
23:07 ireallyhateirc lol
23:09 cheapie FWIW I'm not generally too interested in trying to support anything that isn't MTG or compatible (mostly because I'm not interested in playing anything else, it seems like most of the rest are MC clones and if I wanted to play MC I wouldn't be here), but where practical I try to make it where things will at least /load/ in something else, they might just be missing crafts or whatever.
23:09 MTDiscord <vejou> why dont they just have all of mtg as a mod
23:09 MTDiscord <vejou> the big compat mod
23:10 cheapie celevator falls into that category, it's really meant for Dreambuilder or MTG+basic_materials+mesecons, but it'll load in anything and just be missing recipes
23:10 ireallyhateirc vejou, that sounds like some unholy idea
23:10 MTDiscord <vejou> you could make one for every game
23:10 ireallyhateirc do you code?
23:10 MTDiscord <vejou> i do but not lua
23:10 MTDiscord <vejou> could learn lua someday
23:10 ireallyhateirc writing such compatibility layer would be a pita
23:10 MTDiscord <vejou> i dont mean compat i mean just all of mtg
23:10 MTDiscord <vejou> but not as a game
23:11 MTDiscord <vejou> just adding everything in there with a mod
23:11 ireallyhateirc Luanti operates on concepts such as games and mods
23:11 cheapie I guess you could stuff default into something else as a mod if you /really/ wanted to
23:11 ireallyhateirc your idea would turn games into mod soups
23:11 MTDiscord <vejou> imagine you want to use a mod but its only for mtg, so you go download mtg-mod and use that also
23:11 ireallyhateirc you'd end up having mineclonia (a perfect-ish) minecraft clone with redundant items from MTG
23:12 MTDiscord <vejou> youre right i have this same problem but with desktop environments
23:12 ireallyhateirc that's terrible art-wise, design-wise and code-wise
23:12 MTDiscord <vejou> i have two of everything because i got kDE
23:12 ireallyhateirc and you'd need to have volunteers to maintain these terrible mod soups
23:12 MTDiscord <vejou> but it would load the mod
23:13 MTDiscord <vejou> youre right that two games in one game would be bad
23:13 cheapie TBH a game that generates some biomes of whateverclone nodes and some containing MTG nodes (with both registered) /would/ be an interesting concept, but probably not what you want
23:13 MTDiscord <vejou> i have experienced this because i had a ton of biome mods
23:13 MTDiscord <vejou> its fine as long as biomes are big
23:13 vejou maybe each mod could have its own crafting table
23:14 vejou you can have the mtg craft
23:14 vejou and the normal craft and nodecore craft
23:14 cheapie I've seen mods try *that*, it's a great way to need 50 machines to build anything
23:14 MTDiscord <vejou> but it would sort of work perfectly
23:14 vejou if perfectly includes having a lot of crafting tables
23:14 cheapie I'm even guilty of it in at least one case, roads ships a dedicated machine just for making road markings
23:15 MTDiscord <vejou> i mean even minecraft does the specialized machine thing
23:15 MTDiscord <vejou> a lot
23:15 MTDiscord <vejou> but every tech mod also does specialized machines so why not
23:15 MTDiscord <vejou> or one crafting table that lets you switch categories
23:16 MTDiscord <vejou> whenever i send a message here on discord both matrix and hexchat blow up and yell at me because my name pings me
23:17 cheapie No idea about the various IRC-knockoff platforms, but HexChat has a list you can put nicks on to make them never highlight you
23:18 MTDiscord <vejou> ohh
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23:19 cheapie Settings→Preferences→Chatting→Alerts→Nick names not to highlight
23:19 MTDiscord <vejou> oh wait
23:19 MTDiscord <vejou> nick names just means im muting MTDiscord doesnt it
23:20 MTDiscord <vejou> not myself on mtdiscord, all of it
23:20 cheapie Not so much muting but making it so MTDiscord can't highlight you, yes
23:20 [MatrxMT] <vejou> its even worse here on element, all of irc and discord are one bot
23:21 [MatrxMT] <vejou> and really its just an irc link, this bot is sending <MTDiscord> in messages
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