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IRC log for #luanti-dev, 2025-02-11

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00:00 rubenwardy I haven't pulled in translations for a while....
00:01 rubenwardy I'm guessing you click reset at the project level rather than the component level
00:07 rubenwardy made a support ticket
00:08 rubenwardy is there any way to fetch a reference from a remote which isn't on any branches?
00:08 rubenwardy e1f0792dcea678f38f40a0ad858cb44cc64c0236 from https://hosted.weblate.org/git/minetest/contentdb/
00:32 [MatrxMT] <grorp> doesn't just "git fetch <remote> <commit hash>" work?
00:33 rubenwardy error: Server does not allow request for unadvertised object e1f0792dcea678f38f40a0ad858cb44cc64c0236
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07:36 sfan5 rubenwardy: uhhh. that was definitely not intentional
07:37 sfan5 now that you mention it the menu did have multiple progress bars, which I noticed but didn't realize it wasn't right
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10:29 rubenwardy ok, weblate support recovered it
10:43 sfan5 phew
11:11 celeron55 "Your Android vitals user-perceived crash rate is 1.36% which exceeds the bad behavior threshold of 1.09% in the last 7 days period. If your metric persists at this level, your app is likely to become less discoverable and a warning is likely to be shown on your store listing."
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12:15 [MatrxMT] <grorp> that's actually an achievement, e.g. it was 30% in 5.7 or so
12:16 [MatrxMT] <grorp> so when I worked on the crash and ANR rate, I kinda got stuck at this "crash rate just above the threshold" point because I couldn't get something actionable out of the Play Console crash reports
12:16 [MatrxMT] <grorp> I haven't looked at the crash reports there in a while now
12:18 [MatrxMT] <grorp> actually the crash rate was just below the threshold at one point, I think in 5.8.0 (the ANR rate was still high at that.point)
12:20 [MatrxMT] <grorp> in the next release, the ANR rate was finally below the threshold (after my ANR fixes, also after migration of the Android version to SDL), but the crash rate went up slightly again, putting it just above the threshold
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12:41 [MatrxMT] <grorp> "Your developer profile and all apps will be removed from Google Play on February 19, 2025"???
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13:10 MTDiscord <wsor4035> someone needs to fill out the give google all your personal data so they can list it publically nonsense
13:10 MTDiscord <wsor4035> unless your an organization
13:34 celeron55 someone get their gradma to sign that form (just kidding (but only halfway))
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13:43 MTDiscord <luatic> i can sign that form
13:44 MTDiscord <luatic> i've already given away my identity to google
13:44 MTDiscord <luatic> but we should probably do things properly. are we an organization?
13:45 [MatrxMT] <Zughy> Not legally
13:50 [MatrxMT] <Zughy> rubenwardy was looking into it, but it's not something we'll obtain soon anyway
13:51 MTDiscord <luatic> on google play i mean
13:58 rubenwardy nerzhul needs to do it as the developer account owner
13:58 rubenwardy I've already done it for my rubenwardy account
13:58 rubenwardy Really we should have a Luanti developer account rather than using nerzhul's
14:00 MTDiscord <luatic> ^ yes, that's what i was thinking
14:02 MTDiscord <luatic> hmm, it seems like a google play organization would effectively require some form of legal organization (it requires a DUNS number now). nasty
14:31 ROllerozxa Opened an MR on the F-Droid data repo to update some URLs: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/merge_requests/19521, inviting a coredev to OK it so that F-Droid knows the changes are good
14:33 rubenwardy You don't need a legal organisation, the legal entity can be one of the devs using Luanti as a trading name
14:33 rubenwardy Doesn't matter if the product is free
14:33 rubenwardy But yeah - @grorp is that message for your own account or the Luanti one?
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15:04 [MatrxMT] <grorp> I don't have my own Google Play developer account thing, it's the "Open Source Softwares" one
15:06 [MatrxMT] <grorp> https://ibb.co/3LTTjGk
15:14 SFENCE_arch It is same with Apple developer acount. You should have organization to get free open soruce acount with access to shop etc.
15:16 rubenwardy Amazing
15:16 rubenwardy @nerzhul
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15:19 rubenwardy Emailed him
15:29 MTDiscord <luatic> @nrz0 discord ping
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16:09 MTDiscord <nrz0> yep sorry, i already tried to tackle this but google automated ... is ... ahem
16:10 MTDiscord <nrz0> do we have an org account we can ask for transfer ?
16:10 MTDiscord <nrz0> they refused my ID card idk why, 2 times, without reason obvisouly
16:12 MTDiscord <nrz0> re sent again the validation) (third time). Not on this account i only have MT bound
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16:35 rubenwardy Does your id card match the address on the account?
16:35 rubenwardy Often rejects are due to mismatching info like that
17:06 MTDiscord <nrz0> No because in 12 years i moved...
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17:26 MTDiscord <wsor4035> you should take the first step of requesting a 90 days extension
17:27 MTDiscord <wsor4035> rather than waiting 8 days or however many it is
17:30 ROllerozxa yeah request the 90 days extension ASAP if it's not working out right now
17:30 ROllerozxa you can't request it after the initial deadline
17:31 ROllerozxa but the app will also not be permanently deleted from the developer profile if the deadline passes (all of it just gets hidden publicly), and you can still transfer it to another developer account after the deadline if things aren't working out
17:35 SFENCE SO, we have RC for intel macOS. I used libluajit.a from homebrew to build it and it looks to be working, no SIGSEG now.
17:41 MTDiscord <nrz0> @rubenwardy i just saw we can ask 3 months more delay, date is now 21st may
17:41 rubenwardy Nice
17:42 rubenwardy Does your id card not match your address? Or is it the Google account?
17:42 MTDiscord <nrz0> you already asked me and i say no i moved :p
17:42 rubenwardy In the UK, you are legally required to notify the government when you move and they send you a new id card with the new address
17:43 rubenwardy I assumed it would be similar
17:43 MTDiscord <nrz0> and as the google account is the same as the one i used personnaly for junk but with real address , verified and on maps they know where i am whereas i don't want... ahem they have all needed info
17:43 MTDiscord <nrz0> in France it's not required
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19:34 sfan5 release tomorrow?
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19:37 jonadab rubenwardy: In most (all?) American jurisdictions, the government gets notified whenever anyone buys or sells property, so if you own a home, there's a record of that.  But you can move any time you want without telling anyone, until you have some other reason to fill out a form that asks for your address.
19:37 Krock ^ just kidding. There's not much news regarding the rc1 test. If we don't wait a few days in total, then it doesn't make sense to publish an rc in the first place
19:39 jonadab Though, of course, anyone you don't notify will not be able to send mail to your new address, so if you need mail they're going to send, you have a reason to notify them.
19:40 jonadab (You can set up forwarding with the post office, but it only lasts a few months.)
19:40 rubenwardy The requirement is because our id (driving licenses) have an address on them and you are required to keep it up to date. If you don't have id then you don't need to, but that's weird
19:40 rubenwardy anyway, sounds like the extension should give enough time to get it all sorted
19:42 jonadab See, Americans are not *technically* legally required to have government-issued ID, although not having any is a really big pain in practice.
19:42 jonadab There's a whole list of things you can't do without it.
19:43 jonadab Like drive, open a bank account, fly on an airplane, cross an international border (even to Canada, these days), get a job, ...
19:45 jonadab Driving, is the only one where it has to be state ID / driver's license, though; for anything else, a US passport for instance would also work.
19:45 jonadab Though it's rare to have a US passport but not have a state ID or driver's license.
19:46 jonadab (Getting a passport is a more involved process.)
19:49 [MatrxMT] <Zughy> Krock: no reports in two days, that doesn't seem bad
19:50 [MatrxMT] <Zughy> We should probably take into account a RC for future releases though. So like 3 week long feature freeze, with a RC after 2 weeks
19:51 Krock Zughy: 0 reports out of 50 users isn't necessarily a representative number
19:51 Krock (where the 50 users fact is pulled out of thin air)
19:51 [ rubenwardy: what if you can't drive?
19:51 rubenwardy I can't drive
19:52 rubenwardy I'm a city boy
19:52 [ then how do you have a driving license?
19:52 jonadab I can't drive either, actually.  Rare for an American, but my physical coordination and reaction time are terrible, and I never passed the maneuverability test.
19:52 rubenwardy it's a provisional, I have it for id
19:53 rubenwardy I think there are also generic gov ids but never seen them
19:53 jonadab I do have the state ID though, it's just the non-driver version.  (This doesn't stop everyone from calling it a "driver's license", because Murrica.)
19:54 jonadab (And it's _essentially_ the same thing, except it says "non-driver" on it and does not entitle me to drive on public roads.)
19:54 rubenwardy anyway, my point is that this could be the reason google doesn't like the verification form, it's always data mismatches
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21:02 SFENCE_arch We have potencial finding for RC, reported by wuzzy on forum.
21:03 SFENCE_arch I see it too. In signleplayer, if you open menu and click on setting, game is unpaused.
21:03 MTDiscord <sfence> Sounds like a bug to me.
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